Wednesday 27 October 2021

Alternate Best Supporting Actor 2000: Joaquin Phoenix in The Yards

Joaquin Phoenix did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying Willie Gutierrez in The Yards. 

The Yards is James Gray's Mean Streets I suppose, though it might owe the most to On the Waterfront, this about the seemingly more level headed, recently released ex-con, Leo (Mark Wahlberg), who gets deeper into the criminal level due to his more unpredictable friend Willie (Joaquin Phoenix). Superior to his Little Odessa, particularly in what can be admired, though also similar it doesn't quite match its seeming ambitions. 
 
Now a flaw right off the bat in the film is found in the imbalance in the central casting, much like We Own the Night, where Joaquin Phoenix is in another league from Mark Wahlberg, though I think Wahlberg is better here overall. Phoenix, in what is both his banner and breakout year, delivers his best performance from his trio of turns in the 2000's. This as Phoenix delivers a fully confident performance here in the role of Willie, a criminal with certain ambitions who we initially meet as Leo's friend who is more than eager to get the man back into the life. Phoenix delivers the right confidence here inherent for such character and needed to convey his stature, or attempted stature within the life. Phoenix has that natural bravado and just manner of the man seemingly within his state, unlike Wahlberg's Leo who seems somewhat out of place, both intentionally and to a degree unintentionally. This is exacerbated by Willie's girlfriend being Leo's cousin Erica (Charlize Theron), who Leo is obviously in love with since Gray like many dramatists is clearly from Shelbyville. 

Phoenix though delivers what you would want from a character like Willie, and in many ways suggests his most potent elements as a performer that he would call on far more regularly in his most recent and remarkable efforts. That side of Phoenix though is here, though I think really realized in a fascinating way here as Willie because he does not make it the initial basic state. In fact he does create enough of a likability as the friend initially, there is enough of a charm he brings and just attempted endearing manner as he pulls Leo back into things. Phoenix delivers that vibrancy of the character and you get a real sense of the wannabe gangster in every moment. This in that you do believe his relationship with Erica beyond vanity, and even with it with Leo beyond that point. Although Phoenix doesn't hide the obvious bad influence that is Willie, he also wholly convinces us of his appeal. This as the little grin that Phoenix brings is just the sense of status as he makes every deal, but in his eyes though there is the further ambition that drives Willie. This quickly driving Willie to kill an associate at a rail-yard, while Leo gets accosted by a cop leading him to become accidentally the center point of the investigation, and here we get perhaps the bread and butter of modern Phoenix.

Phoenix of course doesn't disappoint in revealing the killer edge in hectoring the railway worker, in fact we see why he is such a tremendous talent in the moment. This delivering that incredible intensity of his with such ease, and in turn showing us the vicious edge of Willie without exception. Phoenix though goes further though in the nuance of the moment though showing as much as his killer intent is natural for Willie, in his eyes there is the sense of fear really with having gone beyond the pale. This made clearer in his conversation with Leo shortly afterwards over the phone, where Phoenix's delivery of screen is really masterful in that he grants this kind of perfunctory conviction in explaining the killing, while also still conveying the cracks in Willie's confidence as this criminal. Phoenix is wholly captivating in creating this conflict within the character, and in a way makes Wahlberg's performance's limitations all the more obvious. This as Leo's conflict seems so thin, while Phoenix just brings us this wholly tangible man in this situation from every moment. This as Phoenix never lets a scene merely be, as each moment he keeps alive the history of Willie's mistake from there on. I particularly love a tender moment he shares with Erica shortly afterwards, as Phoenix says barely anything yet you wholly understand the tensions just wearing down his face as Erica speaks of the future, and Willie can only think of the immediate present. 

Where an obvious flaw of the film comes in is as we follow between Leo and Willie both dealing with the fallout of the night, and one is absolutely captivating, while the other is less so. Sadly the former is less focused upon, nonetheless Phoenix steals the film wholesale in creating Willie's journey as he deals with his murder and tries to keep himself up within the situation. This is to the point that the success of a given scenes is maybe a little too dependent on whether or not Phoenix is in it. This is as Phoenix is so gripping in creating the complexity of the man who is largely morally onerous, yet not entirely. It is in that gray area (No pun intended), where he makes Willie such a compelling figure here. This as every point, including when the heat moves to Leo from him, Phoenix speaks as the man compromising however he never makes it so easy within his physical performance. Phoenix conveys the fear, the weakness, but also the actual concern in the man. His falling apart and turning on Leo, particularly as his relationship with Erica is revealed more obviously to him, I think honestly could've seemed more pedestrian if not for Phoenix's consistently potent work here. Phoenix as much as he in the end is playing the villain, never portrays him as such. His final moments of showing the man completely falling into despair within where his actions have left are genuinely heartbreaking. This is due to Phoenix's complex work that creates a detailed sense of this man. His flaws most certainly but also the humanity behind that weakness.

62 comments:

Lucas Saavedra said...

Louis: what are your ratings and thoughts on thoughts on the rest of the cast?

Matt Mustin said...

Yeah, he's pretty amazing here. Incidentally, have you ever given your thoughts on his performance in Quills?

Luke Higham said...

Welcome to the 5 fives club Joaquin.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Great to see my request from like 2015 is finally covered.

Marcus said...

Louis: If the Academy did allow for an actor to be nominated more than once in the same category in the same year, who do you think would have made the cut multiple times? I think DiCaprio could have in 2006.

Louis Morgan said...

Lucas:

Wahlberg - 3(There are decent moments in his performance here and there, but so much of this feels on the surface for him. This again particularly in comparison to Phoenix just feels so lacking and a lot of moments where he could explore more, he just doesn't. When he is okay it is in the moments of kind a basic emotion or just general stoicism, but even that doesn't quite work. Honestly I'd say Wahlberg is at his best when there is typically something broader in his performance as his best turns are in that vein, or if not that, the role needs to be very straight forward.)

Theron - 3(It is always interesting looking at most of her early work which isn't terribly impressive, and Monster is a type of step up that is quite rare to say the least. She's...okay here though. In that she hits the basic points of the kind of "innocent" in the equation hitting the emotional moments well enough, but she doesn't leave that much of an impact overall.)

Burstyn & Dunaway - 3.5/3(I mean I'm glad someone finally figured that they should play sisters at some point, I only wish Gray had given them more to do. Both are good here in portrayed the concerned parents who get different degree of perspective, but I really wish we had gotten more from this pairing that would've been something truly special in the 70's.)

Caan - 4(Here is where I do wish the film was better and whole family dynamic was just a bit more potent than realized. This as Caan gives a strong performance here, as almost always does in quieter roles. That is the case here as he offers this sort paternal strength, though with this consistent sense of a compromise within his performance. As much as his character doesn't exactly act on it, Caan creates the sense of pathos in the man's dealings, and gives a moving portrayal of another compromised individual.)

Matt:

I believe I have, but in short, the best part of a film I rather loathe.

Marcus:

DiCaprio Indeed (probably over Gosling or Smith).
Jim Broadbent - Moulin Rogue (Probably over Voight)
Kate Winslet - Revolutionary Road (Probably over Melissa Leo)
Alicia Vikander - Ex Machina (Probably over Rachel McAdams)

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the "I have to save Dent" scene from The Dark Knight. There's just something about the way that Oldman delivers that line. It's so good.

Also thoughts on the scene from Blood on the Moon where Garry tells Barden his son is dead. Mitchum's the best thing of that film, but Brennan is also great in that scene.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Your thoughts on this?

https://youtu.be/Zxc20saM8DA

Matt Mustin said...

I'd go a lot lower for Wahlberg. I thought he just kinda sat there most of the time.

Bryan L. said...

Louis: Your 1970s cast & director for this film.

Bryan L. said...

Louis: Also, your top ten Joaquin Phoenix performances to date

Michael McCarthy said...

I saw Last Night in Soho. Wonderfully stylish and great sound design, as expected, but definitely with more substance than Baby Driver. I only wish the reveals had been a bit harder to predict. TERRIFIC send off for Diana Rigg though.

Mitchell Murray said...

One of the few Phoenix performances I haven't seen, but since I liked him a lot in "We Own The Night" I can expect to like him here.

On Louis' points about Wahlberg, though, I wouldn't agree his best work is of a broader sort; In fact, I find those to be some of his most grating performances, frankly, such as "Pain & Gain", "The Other Guys" or a number of his action centered roles. Then again, he's also been underwhelming in parts requiring more subtlety, such as "The Gambler" or "The Fighter" where he just seemed outdone by his fellow cast members...I guess I'm saying it takes a good deal for me to like Wahlberg.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Mitchell: He's genuinely great in Boogie Nights and very good in The Departed in that vein though.

Mitchell Murray said...

Tahmeed: Agreed, though I would describe those as having a bit of balance between both elements; For Dirk Diggler specifically, there was a need to match the character's heightened setting and arc, but also show that in some quieter scenes (like his encounter with Alfred Molina), both of which Wahlberg succeeds in.

It could also be that Wahlberg had the likes of PTA and Scorsese directing him, who've done wonders with even less consistent performers than him.

Louis Morgan said...

Mitchell:

The "entry point" on both those performances is broad, he has subtle moments in both, but if you were to describe either as a whole they are broad performance in an overarching sense. He's also good in I Heart Huckabees, where once again he's broad. In fact those three I'd say are his three best performances, all broad on the whole, therefore why I think he's best when coming at a part, at least to start, from a broad standpoint. Compare that to when he's subtle, where at best he's alright, but never more than that.

Mitchell Murray said...

Louis: Fair enough. I guess my overall point would be Wahlberg's tried a bit of everything at this rate, and has had either moderate successes or extreme highs and lows (more recently the latter, relative to his late 90s breakout). He's not what I would describe as a consistent performer, and really does seem to need the right script and director to shine - which arguably could describe a number of actors.

Also, full disclosure, I have yet to see "I Heart Huckabees".

Mitchell Murray said...

Something I'd also like to point out when it comes to Wahlberg - if many of his co-stars/peers are too be believed, the dude has some serious work ethic. If for nothing else, I can at least give props for that.

Anonymous said...

I've always wondered how Charlize Theron managed to turn a GOAT performance in Monster when her work prior to that seems to be mostly forgettable at best.

Do you think there was hints of it in her earlier work and she just needed the right part that challenged her? Or did it seem to be completely out of the blue?

Robert MacFarlane said...

I actually think Theron is really good in Cider House, though the movie sucks.

Mitchell Murray said...

I'd go even earlier with "Devil's Advocate" - it's not a great role, but it unquestionably showed the emotional range Theron would later refine and use to stunning effect.

Matt Mustin said...

Anonymous: Thing is though, she was never bad, she just never really got the parts she deserved.

Mitchell Murray said...

Completely unrelated, but whats everyone's thoughts on this Patrick Stewart interview? I find it be a rather entertaining, and in some ways even relatable for myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXOK-ZVJMaU

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your thoughts on these deleted scenes https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sjNG0bi7bxw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bDaHbyt_dwk

Anonymous said...

He still felt a bit too mannered for me personally.

Luke Higham said...

If it's MacLachlan next, can you also do write-ups on Shepard and Schreiber.

Matthew Montada said...

Everyone’s thoughts on the new House Of Gucci trailer? Honestly The more and more i think about this movie, the more i feel like it’ll flop

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Just finished watching The Villain. Louis's original description about it being decent enough and handicapped by the lead role pretty much sums up everything there is to say about it, it is also a bit boring in the first part, but the closer we get to the ending, the more engaging it becomes.


Burton-3.5 Wiseaus (if you wanna imitate a cockney accent, at least be a bit intimidating and not out of your element)
McShane-4
Davenport-3,5/4
Sinden-3

Luke Higham said...

Matthew: Jared Leto is the one thing that could really spoil this film for me.

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

Well that pretty is what makes the scene is Oldman's impassioned delivery that sells wholly the sense of guilt in Gordon for seemingly not living up to his side of the bargain, even as it begins the building which is the least impressive, though still better then most film set-pieces anyways, set-piece of the film.

Well Brennan is frequently great, and as much as he's kind of known for the caricature as defined by imitations of him, he could most definitely act. That being a prime example of it bringing genuine pathos.

Tahmeed:

Certainly a hilarious intro with great satire in there, however genuinely philosophical with the concept.

Bryan:

Martin Scorsese:

Leo: Harvey Keitel
Willie: Robert De Niro
Frank: Robert Ryan
Erica: Susan Sarandon
Val: Claire Trevor
Kitty: Jessica Tandy

Anonymous:

I think largely she just wasn't challenged in the right way, particularly as it is not as though that performance was a fluke by any measure.

Anonymous:

I mean in conception a great idea, and McDiarmad wholly delivers in really a gentler moment of strict manipulation. And theoretically probably should've been in the film. Bad acting from Portman and Christensen though. The same with the second, though cross out Portman, and again McDiarmad delivers again on the manipulation playing the line between the calmer senator and an overt evil. Of course the prequels themselves I think are three films where the plot (aka a perfect story by credit for Lucas) is more or less there, it is just the execution of it that is the problem. You get that even there as the idea of Palpatine playing on Anakin is great, them wandering a dull looking non-set, less so.

Mitchell Murray said...

In regards to Palpatine, I'll say "Clone Wars" honestly made me curious about how McDiarmad would've faired in a vocal performance (I have yet to see Rebels)...

It was funny how at a certain point - probably when Tim Curry took over after Ian Abercrombie's passing - they really stopped trying to make Palpatine inconspicious, and instead embraced him as the all encompasing evil we all know. Given that, McDiarmad could've probably delivered in voice as both the calculating manipulator and the cackling Sith master.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Saw Last Night in Soho. Very messy last act. McKenzie MVP.

Aidan Pittman said...

I also saw Last Night in Soho. Great movie! ..... had the third act been rewritten. Still found it effective overall and it's a visual feast, but the script needed more time to cook if you ask me.

McKenzie - 5
Taylor-Joy - 4/4.5
Ajao - 3
Smith - 3
Stamp - 2.5
Rigg - 3.5

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your top 15 ian mcdiarmid acting moments

Matt Mustin said...

Watched The Exorcist III which I LOVED about 90% of, and then it falls apart completely, which I think is the fault of the studio. The 90% that's good though, HOO boy.

Scott-4.5
Dourif-5(OK, let me just give quick thoughts here. He goes for broke completely here to the point that I can imagine this performance being extremely love it or hate it, but I found him fascinating.)
Miller-4.5
Flanders-3.5
Wilson-3.5

Nicol Williamson is also in it for NO REASON.

RatedRStar said...

That second trailer for House of Gucci looked very poor, much worse than the first one which I thought looked entertaining at least.

There hasn't really been an Oscar contender that has completely bombed critically in 2021 so far, at least I can't think of one, House of Gucci could be that big bomb lol.

Michael McCarthy said...

Am I the only one who thought Rigg was more impressive than Taylor-Joy in Last Night in Soho? Despite the sloppiness of many of her most prominent scenes I thought she was consistently excellent.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Michael: I kind of didn’t like how she handled the last act, but I really only found McKenzie the truly praiseworthy one of the cast anyway.

8000S said...

Louis: One role that Charlton Heston really wanted to play in his career was Captain Ahab, and while he did like Peck's performance in the Huston movie, he felt that too much of Peck's goodness was in his portrayal of Ahab.

How do you think he would have fared in the part? Also thoughts on Olivier as a potential choice for Ahab as well.

Mitchell Murray said...

8000s: Heston certainly would've had the screen presence for it, I think. Also, Peck was apparently critical of his own performance later in life, so that sort of fuels the discussion on its own.

On another note, I completed the first two seasons of the Justice League animated series (Everything prior to JLU), and it's say to safe I'm a fan. It really does earn the reverance people give the show, because it's about everything you could want from a superhero cartoon; I walked away entertained from seeing these characters - in both new scenerios and storylines adapted from the comics - but also having learned even more about their universe (For myself, that would include Martian Manhunter, Hawkgirl, John Stewart, Vandal Savage, etc..). It was smartly done, funny, exciting and knew how to appeal to it's audience without being condescending. So yah...terrific series, highly reccomend it for those who aren't familiar.

mcofra7 said...

Has Louis given an updated ranking of Stanley kubrick films? I found one from a while ago, but it doesn't include The Killing or Eyes Wide Shut.

Louis Morgan said...

Loved Last in Soho actually, I'd probably mind the third act more, which is a bit jumbled (with one particularly odd climactic character/thematic choice though I don't think overall it is nearly as detrimental as some make it out to be. I think it has flaws more so than is bad which is more noticeable due to the strengths of the first two acts), if I wasn't so hooked on the style throughout. The first 60's transport might be my favorite scene of the year honestly, and Chung-hoon Chung's amazing cinematography proved my point that Wright was being held back by lesser cinematographers.

McKenzie - 5
Taylor-Joy - 4
Rigg - 4
Smith - 3
Stamp - 3.5
Ajao - 3
Tushingham - 3
Claflin - 3

Luke Higham said...

Thoughts on the cast Louis.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

I mean hard to do, as I still struggle to determine how exactly I feel about him in Revenge of the Sith.

Luke:

Let's wait for a little bit on that one, as several cast members it is hard to talk about without touching on spoilers.

Mcofra7:

I believe I gave an updated results shortly after reviewing Cruise for Eyes Wide Shut.

8000's:

Heston I think had the potential for greatness as he can excel with operatic language which is certainly needed for Ahab. Not guaranteed to work but maybe. Olivier's physical presence I don't think is quite right for Ahab, though nonetheless he always had the potential to deliver on it though.

John Smith said...

Louis, could Ben Affleck possibly get a higher rating for his performance in The Town? I researched the movie and realised that I took his performance for granted and I feel like I took his performance for granted. Its subtle and played close to the chest. It's a performance that is kind of unique when you look at his filmography

Bryan L. said...

Mcofra7: He gave his most recent Kubrick ranking in Anthony Wong’s review for The Mission.

8000S said...

Louis: Thoughts on these speeches from James Cagney and Jimmy Stewart and
this interview with Edward G. Robinson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dniDS3oJWyQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXxZCrM04uI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsDRSPQJ-qo

mcofra7 said...

Bryan L: Thanks

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis, your 10 most Oscarbait-ish Oscar nominations?

Calvin Law said...

Watched Soho as well and really enjoyed it, I have the similar reservations of most with regards to sold of the writing but it was just such an enthralling experience, and even with the reservations it was a HUGE step up from Baby Driver in terms of the screenplay. Could Stamp go up for you to a 4 Louis? I absolutely loved everything he did with his screentime.

Louis Morgan said...

John Smith:

Minorly at best, I do in general like the performance, but he doesn't quite pull off, the very tough act, of being the stoic one without being overshadowed by his more flamboyant co-stars.

8000's:

Stewart always actually had a wonderful ability to be both self-deprecating and completely earnest, and just easy display of his unique and immense charm that was one of a kind as one of the easiest actors to like on and off-screen.

Gotta love Cagney showing off a couples steps as he walks up, almost to say "I still got it". Cagney still was an immense ball of energy, and love particularly the bit on covering the Mandela effect of "You dirty rat" being his "famous" and false line.

Robinson speaks as so many great actors do on his characters, which is intelligently, speaking towards having sympathy for Little Caesar is such an essential facet of it all.

Ytrewq:

1. "Sudddenly" - Les Miserables
2. Sean Penn - I Am Sam
3. Jodie Foster - Nell
4. Eddie Redmayne - The Danish Girl
5. Glenn Close - Hillbilly Elegy
6. "I Move On" - Chicago
7. Best Picture - The Post
8. Michelle Williams - My Week With Marilyn
9. Best Picture - Green Book
10. Renee Zellweger - Judy

Calvin:

Glad you enjoyed it, and yes regarding Stamp.

Matthew Montada said...

Calvin: your ratings for the cast of Last Night In Soho?

Speaking of that, I absolutely adored it myself! Perfect way to end off what was MOSTLY a solid month for movies.

Letterboxd review: https://boxd.it/2fsTmN

Cast Ratings:
Thomasin McKenzie - 5
Anya Taylor-Joy - 4
Matt Smith - 3
Michael Ajao - 3
Terence Stamp - 3.5 (could be bumped up to a 4)
Diana Rigg - 4 (could be bumped up to a 4.5)
Rita Tushingham - 3
Sam Claflin - 3

Matthew Montada said...

Calvin: Oh, and also your ratings for the cast of Lamb since i saw you recently watched that as well?

Calvin Law said...

McKenzie - 5
Taylor-Joy - 4
Smith - 3
Ajao - 3.5
Stamp - 4
Rigg - 4
Tushingham- 3.5 (so lovely to see her back onscreen)
Claflin - 3

Calvin Law said...

As for Lamb, honestly even after having seen it so recently the cast and film itself have left little to no impression on me. Rapace and Guonason probably a 3.5.

Tim said...

thoughts on this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEkcumq_LHY

8000S said...

Louis: You said once how Olivier's performances are often criticized as being stagy and lifeless by many people. That is something that I can never wrap my head across. I mean, Shakespeare is meant to be played in a stylized way. And even still, Olivier does play the "To be and not to be" monologue in Hamlet un very subtle way. Same goes for his Richard III. Sure, he can be stylized but he also delivers a lot of lines subtly there.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Your top ten Madhabi Mukherjee acting moments?

Mitchell Murray said...

So, random note here, but I started watching the abridged version of "Hellsing Ultimate", with very little context of the original series - and its one of the funniest things I've seen in a while.

John Smith said...

Just saw Dune...

It was awesome

Louis Morgan said...

Tim:

Well I've never spent that much time thinking about any scene from that film let alone such a brief scene. But a fine spiraling away point to talk about why the adaptation of the film makes for a more dynamic story than what is found in the book.

8000's:

Honestly, I think this is largely said by people have seen few if any of his performances, and it is just something they've heard. I mean I've occasionally heard people described his Shakespeare adaptations as standard, I know they either haven't seen them or know little about Shakespeare given all three are attempting something revolutionary in each adaptation.

Tahmeed:

1. Amal having left - Charulata
2. Quitting - Mahanagar
3. Final talk with her husband - Mahanagar
4. Ending - Charulata
5. Beginning work - Mahanagar
6. Revealing her works - Charulata
7. Opening - Charulata
8. Visiting her co-worker - Mahanagar
9. First discussions with Amal - Charulata
10. Trying to talk with her companion - Charulata

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