Seduced and Abandoned is Pietro Germi's followup to his most famous film Divorce, Italian Style, which is a similar dark satire of Italian social norms.
Where in "Divorce" we followed the conspirator of the man who planned on having an affair through murdering his wife through an "honor" killing about an affair, this film follows instead the kind of damage control of such affairs by frequently being from the perspective of an father trying to deal with the fact that one of his daughters has become impregnated by another one of his daughter's suitor. Urzì's performance is quite a bit different from Marcello Mastroianni's mix of sad sack and suave turn, though he's grappling with a similar challenge with the film's unique, though I think successful tone. This as the film is funny, but it is also very dark in how biting it is over showing essentially the cruelties of the society in so many ways. Urzì first enters just as we see him as the patriarch of his pseudo well to do family. Urzì delivers what I think is best described as kind of a blend between comedic and naturalism. Really quite well balanced actually in portraying just the state of the father whose feathers seem always a little ruffled while also seemingly trying to self assure everyone at the same time. Urzì has a great ease in portraying the unease of his character. This just as his slightly overcooked state in his expression just shows a man who seemingly puts all the weights of his family, mostly defined by society's views of it, as wrapped into his very core.
Urzì's performance is rather funny though very much in the specific situational way, and while maintaining the film's tricky tone to the whole thing. Urzì is wonderful in crafting this kind of specific manic energy befitting his older father that he is playing as hearing about the "seduction" he rushes off to try to make things right and check to see how things are. In one scene alone you get really the hilarity of his work as the Don takes his daughter's urine to get tested to see if she's pregnant while pretending it is for his wife. Urzì is great in showing the stress of the lies really as he's putting it forth with his eyes beating with this unsustainable pressure as clearly much is riding on this test. Urzì though is great in the moment of convincing the doctor to do things faster than is the official way by whispering his covert connections. Urzì's instant manner switch is comic gold as he does his name drop that has this great mix of being completely shameless while speaking with this false kind of discreet quality. Urzì's performance is one of this constant kind of flux that perfectly exemplifies the Don's manner of trying to contain the situation and doing everything in his power to do so. So much of the comedy really coming from Urzì's portrayal of a man who really wants to control everything in his situation, but requires him to essentially sweat bullets every step of the way.
Urzì's performance then becomes this tapestry of distress and emotion, that often has certain comical qualities to it, as he tries to make everything right...at least in the Don's mind. Urzì is terrific in creating this specific kind of rush that he embodies as the man's body also seemingly slowly collapsing itself. This as even when the man is putting on a front of some charm or genial quality to people he needs something from, like local authorities or a new potential suitor, Urzì creates in his eyes still a withering stress in the Don even as he speaks with an eagerness and affability towards those he's trying to get something from. He's great at showing that he's always hiding something even when he's doing his best to be as convincing as possible in his intentions. When less secretive Urzì's terrific in showing that constant wave of emotion and contemplation the man has to go through in each new development or attempted plan. This as Urzì so effectively punctuates every moment in this, whether that be his annoyance at learning he won't be able to get away with killing the seducer legally or his sort of calculating reaction towards coming up with a different way to kill the man in order to preserve his family. Urzì creates this state so remarkably that carries us through so admirably the satirical but also more genuine emotional qualities that are in there. Again the tone is extremely specific yet Urzì's work balances it so well by so tangibly showing what the Don is going through at every point of the situation. This in creating this deterioration of the stress, but also punctuating moments with an even greater distress or moments of reaction that denote a temporary reprieve. Although his character ends up getting somewhat sidelined near the end of the film, as it segues to focusing more so on the two lovers by the end of the film, Urzì's work stands as a highlight of the film. This in creating a believable, yet also still funny in its own dark way, portrait of a man trying to maintain what he sees as the dignity of his family by any means necessary.
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Louis: your ratings and thoughts on the rest of the cast?
Louis: Your rating and thoughts on Zoe Saldana in Infinitely Polar Bear.
This film is probably my Original Screenplay winner for the year, just about loved it. I'd go higher for Urzi too, if only because he even managed to be genuinely terrifying as well while never compromising the film's darkly comedic tone.
Louis: Your thoughts on the film's direction and screenplay.
Watched Silver Linings Playbook. I had it for several years after a recommendation in high school. I'm not mad at my friend.... just at the movie.
Louis: Rating and thoughts on Kennedy in The Lusty Men. You said how it was him a fine version of his typical thing, which pretty much sums him up. Decent actor, but no Claude Rains.
Also, while I do like Cooper in the role, how do you think Van Heflin would have fared as Will Kane?
In addition to Urzi being brilliant, I also thought Umberto Spadaro was an absolute hoot and their first scene of discussing the legal implications of the situation at hand is the funniest scene in the film.
Lucas:
Sandrelli - 4.5(I think her performance here is an interesting, particularly in terms of being in contrast with her turn in the previous Germi film where she was a more straight forward object of obsession in so many ways. Here her performance though has a lot more to it, and I think effectively creates the right degree of sympathy within the character that receives so much ire from so many of the characters. This in creating really what is an effective despondent mix of emotions throughout the story that are in equal reaction towards what is happening to control the situation. This in particularly creating the sense of guilt, but also really the sense of a lack of guilt in terms of portraying just a blunter genuine desire as well. She finds really the mess of emotions essentially created by the culture that dictates a specific behavior.)
Puglisi & Buzzanca - 3.5(Although very different in terms of their roles within the film similar in points of comedies in their portrayals of idiots particularly in the police station scene. They're wonderful at playing just the purest type of fools throughout the film.)
Trieste - 3.5(A couple little bit from him in his little side story in portraying effectively his mix up of emotions quite quickly.)
Spadaro - 4(Just wonderful in his relatively spare time in making the most in creating this real comic energy in creating the sort of scheming manner in his exposition. I enjoy the way he brings both a sort of calming manner towards his explanations but also a certain kind of devious quality in maneuvering some of the suggestions for the more duplicitous choices.)
Bryan:
Saldana - 3(I actually wish the film had been more so about her and she hadn't got sidelined. This as I did like the naturalistic quality she brought in reaction to Ruffalo's character's borderline behavior, unfortunately she mostly is pushed off and sadly just isn't given the needed focus.)
Tahmeed:
The screenplay by Germi and his team is brilliant and remarkable that it never feels like he is replaying moments from Divorce despite covering similar material. The virtues of that film though are present here once again. This as it is a combination of really the authentic the absurd and the absurdly authentic in a way. This as you do get a real sense of the society in the detail in the family unit, the community, the specific interactions covered and so on, but with that satirical bite by tipping into absurdity, seemingly. This as much of the comedy that Germi mines is from really the real expectations of the time and what is fantastic about the writing is how it manages to so brutally dissect it by making it so clear in terms of crafting the film as kind of a procedural in a way. This as we understand the situation emotionally, but the way Germi explores it as this sort of official manner in which it must be broached, every step of the absurdist path there, it becomes hilarious. This with just highlight scenes of realizing this specific kind of ridiculousness that also speaks a strange truth, like the Don with his cousin lawyer discussing how to murder Peppino, or the incredible hilarity of the families conspiring together to avoid any murder charges despite one family member having just tried to kill their family member. That seems insane, and it is, and is funny, but they also make it completely natural within the way he realizes this world and these characters. Just brilliant work honestly.
Of course I think as good as the screenplay is on its own, Germi's direction is even more essential than one might think. This in just wielding the tone is so important and he's effortless in this regard. In way I think because he almost runs through the drama, though definitely touches upon it in an often striking way, but really let's the comedy stay and sing to everyone's delight. Take the opening confession compared to the police scene, he does grant time to both to make sure you understand and know the situation, but the latter he really wants to make sure you enjoy. It's interesting though his work here again though is playing itself between reality and fantasy, though not as overtly in Divorce with its fantasy sequences...though here I actually thought for a second the film was going to become a "it was all a dream" scenario. This as the one place he really shows his hand, other than just in terms of really punctuating the comedy with incredible skill is around the character of Agnese where I think he in a way develops sympathy by directing her scenes in almost a nearly psychological horror way at times in crafting that the whole situation is most truly the nightmare for her. This most overtly, and powerfully in that literal waking up scene that is quite potent. This though I think shows his incredible skill here in wielding each tone to craft this story that is hilarious, but also does reveal the very real victim of the society that judges so brutally and harshly for an innate human behavior.
8000's:
Well I wrote that because that sums up my thoughts on him there.
Having had 24 hours to think on it, here are my ratings and very brief thoughts on the cast of SLP. The director is 0 for 2, right now...
Bradley Cooper (4/4.5): Could care less about his character, but he is the one factor keeping my from giving the movie as a whole anything less than a 1.5/5.
Jennifer Lawrence (2): yes, the tonal issues definitely hurt her, but she doesn't help much with her wildly inconsistent performance.
Jacki Cooper (2.5): Not helped by the material, at all, but at least she isn't overacting like Miss Lawrence or...
Robert De Niro (2): Saved by his final scene, but the rest of it... He really comes across as ACTING.
The rest of the cast falls between 2s and 2.5s
Louis: Do you think there’s a chance that Adrien Brody may have actually given a career-best performance* in The Thin Red Line (since his character was originally meant to be one of the leads and all)?
*Or work that could’ve equaled The Pianist, at least.
Louis: Also, your 1970s cast & director for The Thin Red Line.
By the way watched Bo Burnham's Inside, thought it was great, and he would honestly be deserving of all five slots in Original song.
Bryan:
I mean sure, Malick basically only got greatness as is from his actors, even those cut like Mickey Rourke's amazing deleted scene.
I mean directed by still Malick.
Welsh: James Caan
Fife: Brad Dourif
Witt: Keith Carradine
Bell: Jeff Bridges
Doll: Dennis Quaid
Whyte: Don Johnson
Captain Bosche: Harrison Ford
Sgt. Keck: Scott Wilson
Captain Gaff: Sylvester Stallone
Captain Staros: Christopher Walken
Sgt. Storm: Craig T. Nelson
Gen. Quintard: Alan Arkin
Col. Tall: Lee Marvin
Louis: Your top 5 songs from Inside, your thoughts on them, and your thoughts on Burnham's direction.
Louis: Please tell me Bezos I is officially locked in as your Original Song win, 'cause it's definitely mine.
Hope you can check his two other more traditional specials eventually.
I know many (myself included) wouldn't consider it a traditional 'performance', but damn I'd love a write up of Burnham's work in some form or the other.
Tahmeed: I mean, it's kinda performance art.
If Joquin Phoenix in I'm Not There was in Louis' rankings, I think Burnham in Inside should be in consideration.
Louis, your cast and director for 2020s Deliverance and your thoughts on Rick Moranis as an actor?
Burnham is in heavy contention to stay my Actor win for the remainder of the year.
Emi: I’m still not sure if I’m counting Inside for my rankings, but if I do then “That Funny Feeling” is my automatic win for Original Song. I think it’s a perfect contemporary folk song.
If I were to count Burnham.... he'd be an automatic win for me in Lead Actor and Director, and 'Welcome to the Internet' would be my pick for Best Original Song.
I'd just like to point out that Spalding Gray in Swimming to Cambodia is in the overall rank for 1987, so Burnham is really not much of a stretch compared to that.
Given that it did have a theatrical release, even if slightly after its Netflix release, and that the theatrical release still is quite blurry, I'm counting it in competition for film despite its Emmy noms. And yes due to the precedence of Spalding Gray (who got an Indie Spirit Nom for leading actor) and Phoenix, Burnham's performance will be in consideration as well.
Tahmeed:
1. Welcome to the Internet - (Well it is hard to say how much I love this song honestly. This just from the wordsmith in it throughout that is a hilarious breakdown initially as a rapid comic march, seguing to this seemingly inspirational kind origin story as a kind of ballad, before become a Disney villain song of kind of alluding to the dark nature of it all.)
2. Goodbye - (Love his ballad here that manages to be a genuine potent ballad, even while technically wearing those moments of more comic subversion of the dramatic nature of the song. However wholly works as this earnest sort of well goodbye.)
3. That Funny Feeling - (Indeed a great folk song, and what is amazing here in all the songs is how successful the songs are in the style they are realizing while also so successfully being these subversion with the extremely clever lyrics. Here in the comedy of the these lyrics with the soothing nature of a folk song, with lyrics that don't at all go with it.)
4. White Woman's Instagram - (Also love this song frankly want to see some wholly earnest covers as it really would be just a great pop hit honestly. This though as the whole thing is a purely comical piece in really just breaking down the likely features of a certain kind of Instagram.)
5. 30 - (Always in for an 80's style kind of epic styled ballad. This though mixed in with a brilliant commentary on the nature of turning 30 both in just comical petulance and more biting observation regarding the process. Special mention to his moment of "kids these days" and recognizing his sympathy to the generation he mocked for the same thing, and his "Stupid friends are having stupid children" chorus.)
Although I like all the songs to at least some degree.
His direction is pretty remarkable in managing to create so many different feeling scenarios within the same very small space. This just in his incredible use of seemingly basic lighting and limited camera choices and just simply making the most of it. The fact that it never feels static is pretty amazing and his way of balancing moments of seemingly genuine reflection with just plain hilarity is particularly impressive.
Emi:
No, but I liked that song however I preferred his more "ambitious" efforts.
Ytrewq Wertyq:
Well I think there's two ways to go with this so here's two alternatives:
Deliverance 2020 directed Lynne Ramsay:
Edie: Brie Larson
Lois: Jennifer Lawrence
Bobbie: Mae Whitman
Drew: Alison Pill
Deliverance 2020 directed by Joe Carnahan:
Ed: Jesse Plemons
Lewis: Robert Pattinson
Bobby: Paul Walter Hauser
Drew: Harry Melling
Rick Moranis had two phases of his career then he just kind of stopped a bit unfortunately, though understandably. The first the seemingly more passionate and interesting of his style where he got to play on different variations and not just the nerd, which he was good at, but like Dark Helmet is actually pretty brilliant casting partly because he still tries to play it as a villain which creates much of the comedy there. In the 90's he became more pigeonholed within this type and a specific type of comedy, which Moranis himself has commented on at being far less interesting to him. This just as they didn't really push him beyond being generally kind of affable with some low stakes comedy in a way. His 80's phase though suggested the ability for more not just through the different types he played, but also his leading turn in Little Shop that suggested a degree of dramatic potential within there. We never really got that though with the 90's, however I think there was likely potential more a la the way Bill Murray got a second life with independent filmmakers. I could've easily seen Moranis going that route, but it didn't happen. He is coming back, for a Honey I shrunk the Kids sequel, so we're not seeing that, but maybe with that return we'll see some enterprising filmmaker to properly utilize him again.
Welcome to the Internet was my favorite at first too, for good reason. It wasn’t until about the fourth time I listened to it that I realized how brilliant That Funny Feeling is in how it infused such an empathetic, comforting energy into a message of all-consuming despair.
Hey guys. Just finished watching CODA. Long story short, let’s just say i’m with Louis on this. Here is my Letterboxd review:
https://boxd.it/24ChXR
Cast Ratings:
Emilia Jones - 4.5
Eugenio Derbez - 3.5
Troy Kustur - 5
Ferdia Walsh-Peedo - 3
Daniel Durant - 3.5
Marlee Matlin - 3.5
Fine with being the lone horse with CODA on this board.
What are some of the best character actresses?
Louis: what are your thoughts on the direction of Ravenous (1999)?
Louis: Your thoughts on Lee Garmes' work on Nightmare Alley.
Louis: Your thoughts on 'How the World Works' and 'FaceTime with my Mom (Tonight) from Inside?
Anonymous:
Currently working? All time?
Lucas:
Side note, I have to say I'd love to know what Raja Gosnell did, or what his suggestions were for him to be rejected by the cast as a possible replacement for the original director. Anyways despite the production woes can't credit Bird's direction enough in wielding a most difficult tone while also crafting such a striking atmospheric piece. This as she does spend enough time in the period, of the brutality of the prison camp in the opening, and just the vibrancy in the sense of the place in the far reaching outpost. This then though creating one of the stranger tones in a film, and for my money making it work. This I think Bird knowing how to handle the extremes without being quite defined by them. This as she balances. I could just name the moments of genius in those extremes, but it is essential to play Pearce's character's struggle particularly his addiction as real as an anchor then to let Carlyle play. However even in that she allows a build up in his first scene in creating a genuinely quietly unnerving horror of the situation just through his performance. Then Bird has the fun though but even then I think she brilliant mixes it up. A highlight being the whole cave sequence. Her use of score and build up in editing, and just letting Carlyle do his thing, is an amazing tension building horror sequence. Brilliantly segued though through a joke through kind of a wacky scene but works in the way she played with the insanity of the earlier scene. Bird knows exactly when to go too far, like the way Carlyle rises back up like Dracula, but also to restrain in showing Pearce's reaction of genuine horror. The Nietzsche/Eat Me quotes opening the film sum up her style within the film, that is deeply serious yet also completely comical insanity. Never is a serious film, never completely a comedy, rather finds the comedy in the seriousness of the ridiculous.
Perfectionist:
That's a categorical no. I will not be editing any of the results blurbs.
8000's:
I mean expectedly noirish work though here though I suppose with a specific kind of Nightmarish quality, as it is a film that never seems as though it is even daytime in the film. This just with the very careful use of lighting that always is a touch of illumination. Even the technically brightly lit scenes the darkness always feels as though it is creeping in at the edges of the frame. The composition and framing though shots is beautifully done each with a distinct sense of the kind of compromised mood of so many scenes. The work in Stan's ghost con in that regard is particularly stunning.
Tahmeed:
How the World Works I guess is a "weaker" song, but that isn't really the aim for it, although it is still fun as a Sesame Street style sing song anyways. Mostly it is for the interactions between Burnham and Socko in his existential crisis, which is rather amusing to say the least.
FaceTime I do like a song, and again notable in the way he layers so many of his songs so impressively as these one man show performances. This is an example of such and again like White Woman's Instagram you could totally see as a pop hit with its easy listening style. This though with the lyrics of real extreme banality of so many facetime conversations.
what would everyone thinak about the following songs?
Reamonn - Moments Like This
My Chemical Romance - The Light Behind Your Eyes
Nickelback - Home
Sunrise Avenue - Hollywood Hills
All time
Luke, who do you think will make the 64 Supporting top 5 along with Hayden, Scott and March.
Glenn: Well, I have a strong feeling about Tomlinson getting a five. Possibly Soumitra Chatterjee in Charulata and outside of that, Plummer and Mason in The Fall Of The Roman Empire as well as Nigel Green in Zulu.
Well, I haven't commented on here in a while, but I did wish to mention that I've finished the "Clone Wars" show. It is one of the best animated series I've seen to date, since it honours the lore of the prequels, while nonetheless improving/reworking upon what was done in the films. I found the series to be technically sound and consistently engaging, and the scenes involving Darth Maul are particularly memorable.
Mitchell: What did you think of Sam Witwer's work.
Tim: Oh some Rock songs lets look...
Moments Like This: This at first feels like a nice enough song with a nice bit of energy and build up to the chorus, I think the lyrics however are a little too corny for me particularly the repeated "now that they're gone" lines, its not really for me this song.
The Light Behind Your Eyes: MCR are one of my favourite bands, so naturally I dislike few of their songs, this is a pretty good ballad that actually does have an impact, possibly bigger than intended because it was one of their final songs before they originally broke up, doesn't feel too bloated or long, liked it.
Home: On the other hand Nickelback are one of my least favorite bands although I like 2 or 3 of their songs, I hadn't heard this one, I actually really like the opening 45 seconds, particularly the darker sound which gives off this western feel almost, however once we get to the chorus it feels a little too much like standard Nickelback, still its probably one of the better songs ive heard from them.
Hollywood Hills: This has that radio quality that makes it an easy listen, I liked it well enough, solid singing, decent chorus and not too heavy on the lyrics, I thought it was fine.
Tim: "The Light Behind Your Eyes" is a fine slow burn track, and "Home" is likewise decent (though far from my favourite Nickleback song). Didn't really take too the other two, though.
Luke: Striking work from Witwer that brings such a palpable menace to Maul, as well as a barely contained insanity. He's my favourite of the show's voice cast, without question, and is especially strong during the final season.
Similar question to Tim's: What would be everyone's thoughts on the following RWBY tracks?
I Burn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYlQF39LBi4
Armed and Ready
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnsHDLuroHM
This Life Is Mine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiWF_vmJyiI
"I Burn" strikes me as a simple but nevertheless exciting song, and rarely fails to get me pumped up. "Armed and Ready" is rather solid in it's opening third, but becomes a bit of a mess beyond that. "This Life Is Mine", meanwhile, starts off a touch slow, but eventually comes alive with some killer guitar riffs and vocals.
Mitchell: Not much to add on what you just said actually, I will say that I although I do like I Burn, I am not really a fan of the somewhat forced rap that comes in, felt a bit inappropriate to the rest of the song.
RatedRStar: I don't mind the rap portion, but I do agree it's a bit of a jarring change in musical style.
Also, I'll add two more tracks to my previous question, both of which being tribute songs to "My Hero Academia".
One For All (All Might Tribute)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2KWRC342Wc
Demons (Shoto Todoroki Tribute)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTEcH68MWzE
Louis: Your thoughts on these scenes from The Strawberry Blonde and Guns At Batasi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ugZaTuLExo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9hkhKVq5rM
Louis: You misspelled the name of the film in the review title.
Hey guys.
Tell the actors you believe will be in the 2021 alternate supporting and lead actor of Louis.
Supporting Actor:
Corey Hawkins - The Tragedy of Macbeth
Adam Driver - The Last Duel
Benedict Wong - Nine Days
Adam Arkin - Pig
Joel Edgerton - The Green Knight
Lead Actor:
Simon Rex - Red Rocket
Adam Driver - Annette
Oscar Isaac - The Card Counter
Nicolas Cage - Pig
Dev Patel - The Green Knight
Shaggy: Best wait until the end of the year when we know who's really in contention. I will say that Dev Patel and Troy Kotsur are going to make the lineups.
I know, but follow your instincts.
Luke: I know, but follow your instincts.
Adored The Green Knight, and Patel was astonishing, cannot wait to see what Louis will write about the final 30 minutes of his performance.
Shaggy: Wishful thinking usually lets me down more often than not and I just don't have the same motivation that I used to have when making those kind of predictions, however more power to you.
Calvin: I'm so delighted with your reaction to The Green Knight and Patel.
Calvin: your ratings for the cast?
Cage won't get nominated, but how awesome would it be if he did?
Anonymous:
Some of slightly blur the line.
Kathleen Byron
Veronica Cartwright
Melinda Dillon
Joan Greenwood
Madeline Kahn
Cloris Leachman
Mercedes McCambridge
Thelma Ritter
Claire Trevor
Shelley Winters
Shaggy:
Well I can preemptively tell you Adam Arkin isn't happening, though I did like his performance.
8000's:
Well just another scene I love from the Strawberry Blonde, though hilarious to think these are the same two guys who would later collaborate on White Heat. That is where so much of the fun is, and really kind of notable for the time in its own way. This in we get really the Cagney image here though presented here in just really a goofy affable way where also his bluster is very easily tempered by the quietest word from his wife. Also just the attention to detail of the atmosphere of the scene is wonderful, while also being comical, in making a sense of place in the setting, while also just having fun with how goofy the Yale guy looks for example. A great example of the unique feel good fun of that film.
Well if you want to know why I love Attenborough so much in that film, there is a great example of. From his low key great comic timing in his "well at this precise moment I'm charging an SMG magazine" to what he is doing, and noting that he needed to make all men created as equal by also having guns when being casual. But as great is seeing the turn when the situation requires a more serious stance in explaining the situation to the MP. Attenborough does something so important, whether or not you agree with Lauderdale, he plays the part as Lauderdale believing 100% in his solution to the problem. Love though as much his pensive little moment on reflecting on the MP's own stance and if she were to be ever prime minister, almost recognizing that his time might be fading. The showdown with the new battalion is a scene I adore as you get a true battle of wills, that is absolutely amazing work for Attenborough, as again he's not a physically imposing figure, yet he couldn't be more imposing here and makes you wholly believe he'd get the better of the men on the hat issue. This simply just through that confidence on minding even the most minor issue, is great because it is funny as he shows Lauderdale such a stickler for everything, but also so striking because he makes it wholly believable that Lauderdale is also this force of nature through sheer will.
Louis: Thoughts on Pig and ratings & thoughts on the cast.
Have you seen any other releases that have yet to be mentioned.
I’d probably give Cage and Wolff both 4s for Pig, and I think I sliiiightly preferred Wolff.
RIP Sonny Chiba
RIP Sonny Chiba
Rip Sonny Chiba
Louis: With the top 25 actors list you compiled awhile ago, is there any possibility John Hurt could make his way back on to the list.
Luke:
I enjoyed Pig, but it's a film that I think would've been helped by a little more ambitious. I liked what was there, but I think there was the promise for more with what there was. I will say though the breakdown of the restaurateur is likely to stay one of my favorite scenes of the year however.
Saving Cage.
Wolff - 4(Continuing his commendable work. Here is just a good portrayal of a basically a straight man facilitating what Cage is doing wonderfully. This both in creating certain comic moments through showing the average man's reaction, also though in believably conveying the changes to the man as the story goes on subtle as they are.)
Arkin - 3.5(Mostly a reprise of his Fargo performance though with an even more comical context around it given he is kind of the head of a food mafia (something that should've been explored far more).)
Knell - 3.5(As mentioned before loved this whole scene and his performance is an essential part of this. This just going from seemingly just the typical chef type being gracious and his slow decay throughout the scene is pretty striking.)
I mean I have....but they're not really worth talking about.
My top 25 is always in flux honestly other than the obvious untouchables like Olivier, Mifune, Hackman, Stewart etc.
RIP Sonny Chiba, delivered one of the most underrated Tarantino directed turns I think.
What would be some of your best currently working character actresses?
Chiba is actually my favourite thing about Vol. 1.
Louis: Your cast and director for an 80's Good Night and Good Luck.
I just want to say that I watched Dark Waters and I once again have to say that Mark Ruffalo continues to frustrate me. I know he can be a good actor, even great, as I love him in Foxcatcher and Zodiac, but in this case, his performance kind of hobbles the entire film.
RIP Sonny Chiba. Agreed entirely with Matt on him being the highlight of Vol. 1
Louis: Would you agree with me that Wolff is co-lead to Cage? Though I wouldn't even disagree with you if you put him in Supporting, just curious.
Anonymous:
Patel - 5 (he might be my win)
Vikander - 4
Edgerton - 4
Choudhury - 3.5
Harris - 4
Ineson - 3.5
Dickie - 3
Keoghan - 4 (my second favourite of the cast, actually)
Kellyman - 3.5
Calvin: How well do they use Ineson's voice, because that's kind my favourite thing about him.
Matt: He's only featured in the beginning and at the end, but within the time he appears it's used beautifully.
Anonymous:
Without repeating myself:
Elizabeth Debicki
Dale Dickey
Allison Janney
Jennifer Jason Leigh
Julianne Nicholson
Mary Kay Place
Jean Smart
Lili Taylor
Jacki Weaver
Dianne Wiest
8000's:
Good Night and Good Luck directed by Robert Redford:
Edward R. Murrow: Fred Gwynne
Fred Friendly: Robert Redford
Joseph Wershba: Sam Waterston
Shirley Wershba: Katherine Ross
William Paley: Jack Warden
Sig Mickleson: Donald Sutherland
Don Hollenbeck: Hal Holbrook
Calvin:
Borderline because there are solo Cage scenes, however he has the arc, the perspective and plenty of screentime to his name to be co-lead to me.
Agreed regarding Keoghan, wish there had been more of him.
Now that we've all seen it: Was Keoghan real?
I actually still haven't seen it, but I'll ignore any spoiler comments.
Robert: Well now that you mention it...no, no you cannot lead me down the route of making theories about The Green Knight. Legitimately might take me a few more months to get my head around it.
So Annette I think is all set to be a sweeper...of the annual creepiest movie baby awards.
Robert:
Well I think he was there, but I don't feel he was human.
Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast?
Weird how a few months ago Annette was one of the biggest players but now it is entirely dead.
Louis: Any more thoughts on Annette overall.
Louis: your ratings for the cast of Annette?
PS: i’m going to watch Free Guy tonight. Really looking forward to it
Louis, your thoughts on The Green Knight overall and the cast.
Louis: Who would you have casted as Silk Spectre in Watchmen instead of Malin Ackerman?
Louis: On The Green Knight, Bryan did see it as well. He gave it 3 stars out of 5.
And did you see F9 or have you given up on that franchise like I have.
I’m more neutral on The Green Knight. Great production values and performances to go around, but I couldn’t get that much into the film itself, for some reason.
Was not a fan of Annette...at all. Nothing really worked for me, for me the best parts were probably the production design and Simon Helberg.
Calvin: ratings for the cast?
Matthew:
Driver - 3.5 (bit torn in a way I think I'll discuss at some point)
Cotillard - 3
Helberg - 3.5
The acting is not really the problem I have with the film, or necessarily even the direction by Carax, it's the choice of story, musical style and characters that bothered me throughout.
Should also say if I'm in the minority for this I don't mind, I hope people like it more than I did, it's ambitious and clearly made with passion but it just left me utterly cold.
I guess The Last Duel will be Driver's best work this year. Lady Gaga is more than likely the MVP of House Of Gucci.
Calvin: so i guess it was the script is where your main problem lied?
Not sure if anyone here is familiar, but I just started "The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes" this afternoon.........and this clip is a pretty good summation of my thoughts thus far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AKsJqI2PG8
Mitchell: Avengers EMH is fucking awesome.
Louis: Rating and thoughts on Cagney in Smart Money and Karloff in The Secret Life of Walter Mitty.
Also, speaking of Karloff, I've read that he played Captain Hook in a Broadway musical adaptation of Peter Pan and was even nominated for a Tony for his performance in The Lark, a play about Joan of Arc. Are there any Shakespeare roles that you think he would have been great as?
I recently saw The Princess Bride for the first time. I outright hated the first 15 minutes or so, but really got around to it after a while and overall liked it a lot. Not my favorite Reiner of that period though..
Elwes: 4.5
Wright: 3
Patinkin: 5
Andre the Giant: 3.5
Sarandon: 3
Guest: 4
Shawn: 3.5
Also saw Leave No Trace, which i loved. I preferred it over all the Best Picture nominees i have seen from that year. I haven't seen Black Panther, but from what i've heard it is unlikely that film might change that
Meckenzie: 5
Foster: 5
Dickey: 3
And finally i got to see Plains, Trains and Automobiles. I had always wanted to watch that one, but never got around to it. While it is very 80s in it's music choices, i still had immense fun with it, mainly because the two stars work off and add so much to another
Candy and Martin: 5
Tim: I certainly have an even greater fondness for "The Princess Bride", but I suppose it's the sort of film that benefits from nostalgia.
Also, going back to "Earth's Mightiest Heroes", what would be everyone's thoughts on the opening song/animation? I just happened upon it one day, and I was already driven to seek the series out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGJmfLvzK0Q
Tim: I'd give Martin a 5 for that as well. The movie is unthinkable without both of them.
8000S: Caliban.
Anonymous & Luke:
I knew this wouldn't be La La Land going in, I've seen Holy Motors and The Lovers on the Bridge, I knew going on it likely would be more prickly and stranger than that. The story here though so seems to want to put you off it, all I can say is it succeeds, but really to what end. I think in a way more detrimental is I really didn't like the music, which sounded more recitative than ever especially lyrical or melodic, that in itself is rather off-putting most of the time, not sure intentionally or not. There is some striking visuals, as to be expected, and I can't deny a certain ambition but as a followup to Holy Motors I have to classify it as a disappointment. Also much to my own surprise Simon Helberg is not only MVP of the cast, but I'd probably say he is the best part of the film.
Driver - 3.5
Cotillard - 3 (Not on her.)
Helberg - 4
Calvin:
I don't think you'll be in minority on this one. By the way though can we agree by the frequency of Driver removing his shirt and the physical nature of his "comedy routine" that the part was probably written with Denis Lavant in mind?
Luke:
I have but there's not much to say.
Anonymous:
Charlize Theron, Michelle Monaghan, Keri Russell, Mia Kirshner, or Alison Lohman, I think would've been better...just to name a few, most actresses in her age group I think would've been better.
8000's:
I already summed up my thoughts on Cagney there previously, and I saw Walter Mitty a bit too long ago to comment cogently there.
I mean one would imagine Richard III or Claudius.
Annette is 2 and a half hours, good lord. No thank you.
Louis: I agree. And I have to say…pains me to say this…Driver was kind of miscast.
Calvin:
Well unfortunately that character is so actively unlikable and abrasive it would be hard not to be miscast. He probably should've just gone with Lavant though, who might not have made the film work, but I think the part needed his beastly if not kind of other worldly idiosyncratic presence to come even close to working. Casting Driver unfortunately makes Henry feel like a jerk you could very easily meet, which doesn't help things. In a way the character probably needed to feel less realistic strangely enough.
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