Innokenty Smoktunovsky did not receive an Oscar nomination and Christopher Plummer received an Emmy nomination for portraying the titular prince of Denmark in Hamlet (at Elsinore).
Hamlet is one of the all time coveted roles for an actor. Certainly for a Shakespearean actor, though Richard III contends, that King lets the actor let loose as a most dastardly sort, but usually within a general understanding of the role, though there are ambiguities. There are greater ambiguities though with Hamlet and perhaps why playing the role is always such a fascinating endeavor. This as in 1964 there were three different high profile portrayals of Hamlet that made it to film, or at least TV film. I actually considered keeping Richard Burton in this review as well, but I will agree with the man himself that the film itself is of poor quality. It is little more than a static shot on the Broadway production and makes other filmed stage productions (or filmed like stage productions) like Hamilton, Give Em Hell Harry and Othello starring Laurence Olivier as positively dynamic. This isn't to say I couldn't see some of what Richard Burton was doing, but any intimacy of his performance (where so much of what is essential to a Hamlet performance) is obscured by the clunky technique, or lack thereof. This leaving that filmed production as just a historical curiosity, well other than Hume Cronyn's Tony winning performance as Polonius where the brilliance of that performance still shines through. So instead I'll be looking at the Russian rendition starring Innokenty Smoktunovsky, in one of the most cinematic adaptations, and the version known as Hamlet At Elsinore, a straight forward though decently mounted version notably filmed in Elsinore itself.
This in a way gives me the opportunity then to really examine what exactly is Hamlet's path, also will grant me the chance to look at one of the most renowned Shakespearean actors, who rarely got to perform Shakespeare in a true film. Speaking of let's get the obvious out of the way with Plummer, which was also true for Burton, their voices were made for Shakespeare it seems. The language sings from them essentially and never have their voices sounded better in a way. It is as glorious as to be expected, Plummer always had an amazing voice and in turn he shows an expected elegance with the Bard's words. Innokenty Smoktunovsky is dealing with something slightly different in that the words have been adapted to Russian though the intention is still to be Shakespearean just not technical the literal words. Although this isn't a criticism of any kind, rather just really a descriptor. Now the opening of the play is perhaps one of the great ambiguities with the character, as where is Hamlet exactly before learning about his father's true murderer? I think in a way this can specifically help to define how an actor will perform with the character, and how well they will grasp this tragic journey. Plummer speaking his opening monologue presents a man mourning in his state and in a way lost without purpose seemingly. A sadness within the man and striking sense of really lack of purpose. Smoktunovsky is quite a bit different more reserved, again befitting the superior approach overall of his film, which like Olivier literally internalizes the monologue into narration of thought. A great benefit though to Smoktunovsky's approach that in a way presents a man already with a suspicion. There is a coldness and cunning he emphasizes when speaking to his uncle and mo. there, of a man who already suspects something rotten. I love really both men's approach to Hamlet hearing news of the ghost and from his friend Horatio. With Plummer it is a fitting jubilation of a man who wishes to run from his melancholy. Smoktunovsky's reaction is more intimate yet as remarkable as someone who is perhaps already on a path following a hopeful lead.
The ghost sequence is as pivotal in conveying exactly how much Hamlet knows and what exactly he takes from the revelation that his father was murdered by his uncle. The ghost sequence in the Russian version is truly stunning to say the least and I love Smoktunovsky's performance in the scene. This as the horror of it is conveying but also the kind of fascination. This is truly a disturbing sight within Hamlet's eyes and Smoktunovsky shows this as much as he pushes towards the truth his physical manner retires of a man in presence of something truly terrifying. Smoktunovsky's performance of the moment of hearing that it was his uncle is sheer brilliance this as this nearly maniacal laugh, of man almost in a kind of bliss at experiencing a truth he must've suspected for some time. Plummer's approach is a bit different and just a little bit goes into more than needed for the screen as opposed to the stage, something a slightly more deft director might've been able to purge out. That isn't to say that what Plummer is doing isn't still quite compelling, it certainly is. In fact the intensity of the fascination with the ghost he conveys alludes to a fascinating choice in his depiction. This as Plummer shows a man seeking purpose and the ghost basically being an avenue for it. This as he also shows a sort of cry for joy, but that of seemingly finding his purpose. A moment of jubilation as almost needing the murder plot as something to live for. This that he potently emphasizes all the more in the sudden sense of purpose and determination in his eyes as Hamlet listens to the ghost's instruction for the task of revenge.
As Hamlet goes about his task to avenge his father it is then where an even greater ambiguity comes, which is Hamlet pretending to be insane, insane, or a little bit both? This as no one in the court seems to know what to make of him, but what exactly that means is within the actor's purview. Here Smoktunovsky is quite amazing to be blunt. This as his performance just exudes charisma and is magnetic in presenting his Hamlet as a man carefully administering his conspiracy. When he speaks early on to Polonius and his old "friends" of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, Smoktunovsky practically conducts them within the speech of nonsense to Polonius as he tries to see where his mind is. Smoktunovsky effectively showing a man purposefully lost and obscuring his purpose. The same with his "friends" who he speaks some more congenially yet in his eyes there is straight cunning where he both seems to decipher exactly what they are doing while also playing on the part as though his Hamlet is wholly unknowing in his beliefs. Plummer is quite a bit different though effective in his own right as playing the part continuing the man of purpose, though now showing the man as having the time of his life in his deception with Polonius. Artfully playing the fool while loving every minute of it. Seemingly equally affable with the doomed "friendly" pair, as again a man whose lost his mind, yet Plummer denotes it as trick, just as he shows Hamlet very much loving his own performance.
Now perhaps one of the trickiest elements is how Hamlet's once intended Ophelia factors into his plot, as for out technical hero he treats her abysmally so essentially creating the intention within Hamlet's behavior is always a bit of task for the actor's interpretation. Both Smoktunovsky and Plummer excel in this particular regard where Hamlet still seems to prod her along in her interest while also telling her to go off to a nunnery. Plummer's performance is very interesting in the way he presents it as almost that Hamlet has moved on from her. There is a sense of affection in his interest but almost as though he cannot burden himself with the relationship at this time that his devotion towards his purpose being revenge is what compels his crueler behaviors. Smoktunovsky actually is perhaps far more sympathetic I would say in presenting these moments. This as his interactions with her there is a sense of genuine love in moments before he basically thinks upon the interactions. He though shows this palatable distress and struggle in Hamlet's eyes in his moments of rejection towards her. Smoktunovsky emphasizing a real love for her however that love being compromised by the situation. This is different though as Smoktunovsky presents a degree of distrust in the relationship of a man who is paranoid both in the conspiracy that killed his father and his own conspiracy to kill his Uncle. Plummer making Ophelia more so a casualty of a blindness in his quest, while Smoktunovsky makes it more so a casualty of the unfortunate paranoia related to it.
Now when the play's the thing to capture the conscience of the king we get two very different interpretations of Hamlet's endeavor to trap his uncle. Plummer's performance is defined by excitement for the task at hand and very much presents the fanboy for the players. Plummer emphasizing the way Hamlet is kind of living out a fantasy in the method as much as he is intentionally taking upon this approach. Smoktunovsky's work again in a way brings us more into the man's state of genuinely trying to carefully manipulate the situation. Smoktunovsky projects a low key nervousness fitting someone who is making a big gamble that could either fail or simply reveal himself too quickly. Smoktunovsky conveys that anxiety before making the big ploy through the play. Smoktunovsky is brilliant in again the magnetism he brings within the sequence of the actual performance. This as Smoktunovsky is magnetic in presenting a man wholly within his power within the situation. He basically is conducting every moment of it and shows the man quite effectively executing his plan. Conversely Plummer plays it almost as a court jester both hiding the idea of his intentions while also showing the sheer joy Hamlet is getting from the plot. Both are very different interpretations of the sequence however both incredibly effective in their mutually different interpretations of who exactly Hamlet is in this moment. Smoktunovsky presenting a man with a set plan and executing, Plummer going with the flow of the fun of the whole affair.
From the success of the plot we have two very different depictions of Hamlet's sort reaction that leads him to confront his mother in her culpability to her now husband's actions that leave a hiding Polonius stabbed to death. Plummer presents more matter of factually a madness wholly taking Hamlet in this moment. This sort of just rush of all his thoughts going in every way now that he has the truth and is almost frothing at the mouth in his vengeance. Smoktunovsky portrays a strict and striking intensity within Hamlet in this moment. Not exactly the same kind of madness, rather a temporary one noted but a kind of narrow minded thought that overtakes him in the moment. A man gripped with wholly his revenge now almost empowered by the thought as he goes about the accidental killing. In the moment Smoktunovsky presenting a man so driven in his task that nothing really phases him from it. Smoktunovsky's portrayal of his confrontation with his mother being the most notable version of the scene that I have perhaps seen. This because he doesn't conduct himself with it as the intensity we see in Plummer's portrayal, which while effective on its own right, there is something all the more compelling in showing Hamlet with his wits about him in this scene. There is almost an angel of death quality within Smoktunovsky moments of accusations, as a man reeking justice for more than just himself.
The story naturally hits the reprieve where Hamlet goes off to England while Ophelia dies, leading her brother and Polonius's son Laertes rather rightfully seeking revenge, and finding it through Claudius plotting to kill Hamlet via a duel. We open this climax through the comic yet also poignant of Hamlet with the grave digger. Both Plummer and Smoktunovsky acquitting themselves within Hamlet's reflective speech. Smoktunovsky in particular suggesting a certain guidance from his travels, wearing in fact catholic monk robes. This idea forced with the sudden appearance of Laertes and the funeral procession for Ophelia. They're performances perhaps being the most similar here in being Hamlet at his quietest as he just recognizes his mistakes seeking to genuinely apologize for his faults to the man he truly did wrong in Laertes. This following as Hamlet gets his chance for revenge in a duel with Laertes, even though he stays apologetic to his actual opponent. In both we get the man very much being the most romantic type of hero seemingly and both actors get to show off their Shakespearean skill at being the most charismatic. Both thrive in this aspect and they are just wonderful to watch. This is particularly important for Smoktunovsky as oddly the duel is the least inspired scene in the whole film, especially when compared to Olivier and Branagh's cinematic renditions. Where as in Plummer's film it is consistent with the rest of it. Nonetheless each delivers the command of the man as he should. The scene obviously goes through a lot with the random poisoning, killings and dying. A given Hamlet must respond to each point and here again I think Plummer occasionally goes a little bigger than he needs to though not a major detriment, still noticeable particularly in his reaction to the king's treachery. Smoktunovsky is on point in every respect of portraying the joy of the duel, the sudden burst of anger towards Claudius's deception and grief towards the death of the mother and of course his acceptance of his own upcoming demise. Plummer equates himself particularly strongly with the duel just expressing so well Hamlet living out his fantasy fully, and his final moment of poignant reflection. Both of these performances are very different yet wholly successful depictions of the complicated character. With Plummer, while you can see he was getting used to film to a degree, it still is a remarkable Shakespearean performance. Innokenty Smoktunovsky's performance though deserves to put up with the very best of the cinematic Hamlets, Olivier and Branagh. Not only is his interpretation particularly dynamic, his work always breaths life into the words of the Bard with that uniquely cinematic flavor that achieves true greatness within the adaptation.
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What do you think of these alternate casting choices?
Marion Cotillard, Kate Winslet, Rebecca Hall, Amy Adams- Fantine
Peggy Ashcroft, Edith Evans, Gladys Cooper, Celia Johnson, Mildred Natwick, Luise Rainer - Dame Maude
Maggie Smith, Julie Christie, Vanessa Redgrave - Vickie Allessio
Kate Winslet, Cate Blanchett- Sarah Churchill
Sissy Spacek, Jodie Foster- Princess Leia
Bette Davis- Martha( Virginia Woolf)
Anonymous: I mean, Martha mentions Bette Davis by name in the play, so maybe not.
Yep, Kozinstev's winning the lineup with ease and definitely a top 5. Kozinstev would actually be my win in a few other years but alas, Kubrick and Teshigahara are hard to top.
Also, love the alternate grading system.
Anonymous:
Fantine - Out of the group Hathaway has shown the most impressive pipes, and as much as I do have issues with the rest of the performance she does absolutely deliver on the most important part...the song...to the point I don't see the others besting her there. I could easily see Cotillard being better the rest of the time, and probably Hall and Winslet. Adams I feel might seem jarring in that particular period.
Maude - I mean all would be surprising to see in that role, but I could particularly see Evans, Cooper, Johnson and Natwick going for it. Rainer was absent for so long I'm not sure how that would've played, and don't see Ashcroft in the role at all.
Vickie Allessio - Smith is easiest to see, and would've been great. Christie less so, and not sure Redgrave would've been warm enough.
Sarah Churchill - As I've mentioned before I think Winslet probably would've been great there, Blanchett most definitely, right in her wheel house.
Princess Leia - It is impossible to see anyone else in the role just by how attached Fisher is to it, even though her performance in the original film is obviously flawed (that random English accent). Having said that Foster would've been way too young, and though Spacek I'm sure would've made a go of it, she would've had to overcome a miscasting.
Martha - As Edward Albee's ideal casting it is one I'd like to have seen (particularly with James Mason as George) though I have no idea what it would've been like (easier to imagine Mason's contribution) particularly with that purposeful meta moment Albee wanted to see.
Louis: Ratings and thoughts on all 3 casts.
Luke, your top ten Shakespeare film adaptations
I loved Anastasiya Vertinskaya in this as well, probably the best Ophelia I've seen.
Anonymous:
In no particular order and I'm sticking with the traditional ones so no Kurosawa
Henry V (1944)
Julius Caesar (1953)
Richard III (1955)
Chimes At Midnight
Romeo And Juliet (1968)
Macbeth (1971)
Henry V (1989)
Richard III (1995)
Hamlet (1996)
Richard II (2012)
Louis: Do you intend to see Smoktunovsky's rendition of King Lear in future.
Anonymous: I haven't seen the 64 Hamlets yet.
Louis: I do always love it when you surprise lol.
What do you think the careers of Greta Garbo, Luise Rainer, Glenda Jackson, and Elizabeth Hartman would have been like if they hadn't retired?
Watched Reminiscence which I didn't think was that bad, but I also didn't think it was good either unfortunately. The mystery just isn't that interesting, the idea aren't explored in enough of a compelling detail and it just doesn't quite come together. There are qualities I think in there, the main three performances, but as the whole feels like a missed opportunity. Also Joy's direction does feel a bit Nolan-lite in style, though certainly not a terrible debut on that front only.
Jackman - 4
Ferguson - 3.5
Newton - 4
Curtis - 2.5
de Tavira - 3
Wu - 1
Aria - 1
Luke:
Shaw/Nazvanov/Drake - 4/3/2(I'll it is tough with any Claudius as I'm going to instantly think about Jacobi who did not treat it as a small part. In turn we get a strong performance from Shaw who has that forceful presence as to be expected, hitting the moment of reflective guilt though as a sense of a man who knows he's a villain but mostly can live with it. I love his scene also with Ophelia where he shows both a sympathy and frustration in his state with the threat of Hamlet hanging over him. Nazvanov I thought was fine but didn't really exploit many moments. For example when Gertrude drinks from the cup he barely even reacts. Drake I kind of thought was actively bad and really quite bland.)
Clunes/Tolubeyev - 3/3(Hold off on Cronyn for the moment. Both are effective enough as the foolish versions of the character. They don't stand out too much but deliver as needed.)
Caine/Milli/Erenberg - 3.5/3/3 - (I suppose perhaps because it is played by Caine that Horatio stands out considerably more than usual. I think though Caine adds a bit more by conveying perhaps more than just a friendly affection for Hamlet in their scenes together. Milli and Erenberg are both but don't stand out too much on their own.)
Lovell/Cullum/Oleksenko - 3(I feel like Laertes is too often a missed opportunity as a character as I think there's more potential than the basic performances usually granted to him, here are some basic performances.)
Tobin/Herlie/Radzina - 3/3/3.5(Herlie was more notable in her Olivier performance, Tobin is fine if unremarkable. Radzine I think does as much as she can really in creating a real sense of a desperation with a potential guilt of her own in her matter. Not exactly as her own guilt but rather understanding her own flaws.)
Muller/Marsh/Vertinskaya - 3.5/2.5/4(Muller is decent enough in creating the sense of innocence and the pain within the state of madness. Marsh is utterly forgettable. Vertinskaya gives a striking performance however in her manner in creating a real sense of her victimhood. This in so genuinely reaching out to Hamlet in their moments together and creating a real sense of the tragedy and heartbreak in her final scenes of falling apart.)
Probably at some point.
Anonymous:
Jackson was kind of fell into TV movie to small British productions, so I think she probably might've stayed that way, though I could see her as kind of alternate casting to a lot Maggie Smith's later parts, however there is no reason to believe that Smith wouldn't still have gotten them.
Rainer is hard to say because of how brief her career was as is. I imagine it probably would've had more of a 40's but would've faded anyways.
Garbo was such a force that I could've seen easy reinvention/staying power for her because filmmakers were so eager to work with her even after she retired.
Sadly she had fallen to largely obscure work, The Secret of NIMH happened to have an impact but it could've easily been as obscure it terms of the nature of the project (first time director, non-Disney animated film). So I don't think it would've made much of a difference unfortunately.
Louis: Thoughts on the Reminiscence cast.
Louis: Your rating for Burton.
your thoughts on the Cinematography, Editing and Score of The Sixth Sense?
Hello folks!
Tell your TOP10 best director, lead actress and supporting actress in 1964:
SUPPORTING ACTRESS
10Âş Honor Blackman - Goldfinger
9Âş Joyce Grenfell - The Americanization of Emily
8Âş Ava Gardner - Seven Days in May
7Âş Glynis Johns - Mary Poppins
6Âş Yootha Joyce - The Pumpkin Eater
5Âş Anne Vernon - The Umbrellas of Cherbourg
4Âş Anastasiya Vertinskaya - Hamlet
3Âş Ava Gardner - The Night of the Iguana
2Âş Grayson Hall - The Night of the Iguana
1Âş Lila Kedrova - Zorba the Greek
LEAD ACTRESS
10Âş Jean Seberg - Lilith
9Âş Constance Towers - The Naked Kiss
8Âş Melina Mercouri - Topkapi
7Âş Monica Vitti - Red Desert
6Âş Anne Bancroft - The Pumpkin Eater
5Âş Nobuko Otowa - Onibaba
4Âş Julie Andrews - Mary Poppins
3Âş Abbey Lincoln - Nothing But a Man
2Âş Kim Stanley - SĂ©ance on a Wet Afternoon
1Âş KyĂ´ko Kishida - Woman in the Dunes
DIRECTOR
10Âş Mikhail Kalatozov - I Am Cuba
9Âş Michael Roemer - Nothing but a Man
8Âş Sergio Leone - A Fistful of Dollars
7Âş John Frankenheimer - Seven Days in May
6Âş Masaki Kobayashi - Kwaidan
5Âş Grigori Kozintsev - Hamlet
4Âş Glauber Rocha - Black God, White Devil
3Âş Jacques Demy - The Umbrellas of Cherbourg
2Âş Stanley Kubrick - Dr Strangelove
1Âş Hiroshi Teshigahara - Woman in the Dunes
Anonymous:
Jackman - (I mean you have to give it to Jackman he is trying his best to sell every emotional moment of the film and they are constantly putting him through the ringer here. I think he actually does deliver this as intense as it is I thought he managed to avoid becoming overwrought here. This in finding some moments to balance the work whether it is the early scenes of some of the moments of playing detective. He isn't just the intense guy looking for the truth, though he actually does do that well. Jackman is wholly game here, I wish the film had been there for him a bit more. Particularly in regards with his chemistry with Ferguson, which I don't think is lacking their relationship just needed more time devoted to it rather being thrown instantly into the plot.)
Newton - (I have to give credit to Joy, even in the worst of Westworld Season 2 Newton was consistently on point, and she/American Nolan just seem to get the best out of her. This isn't even a great part but Newton just is on point in bringing a dynamic energy to the helper role. This in just bringing the right empathetic qualities though with a quiet sense of desperation herself. Frankly I might've rather seen a film about her character.)
Curtis - (Kind of a lame villain part anyways, and I prefer to see him out of that type honestly. The role just is underwritten more than anything.)
de Tavira - (One note but she hits that note I suppose.)
Wu - (I guess I could give him credit for trying to bring some levity to the proceedings but he seems so out of place it is hard to give him credit for that. Everything he does here is especially bizarre though I think in part it was weak directing making him I think an attempt at comic relief, maybe I guess, or maybe Wu was just going rogue. Either way, it doesn't work.)
Aria - (I feel a helium balloon would've given the same performance.)
I guess I won't say anything Ferguson just in case someone wants to watch it... though doesn't seem overly likely.
Luke:
Technically a 4 I guess, but again hate to penalize him for the shoddy nature of the film.
Louis: It's frustrating that the film doesn't quite capture Burton, because I'm sure on stage he was amazing.
Also, regarding Jackman, we can debate whether certain performances from him work or not, but generally speaking he does tend to give it his all.
Tim:
Well start with the cinematography by Tak Fujimoto. It is fairly low key work, in that it is particularly intimate film as shot, though realizing effectively I think a degree of claustrophobia that matches the intended tone. This even in the framing and composition of shots always just kind of "fits" so to speak. It's un-showy work other than the red signature, though that is notable, and while realized in the color control and further emphasized by the lighting by Fujimoto. The overall lighting being muted, again like a funeral home's lighting in a way, again fitting the tone extremely well. Again not work that emphasizes itself, but works very well within the film.
1. Smoktunovsky
2. Dixon
3. Okada
4. Urzì
5. Price
Louis: Your top 10 acting moments for Rebecca Ferguson and Cliff Curtis.
Louis: Your top 10 acting moments for Ellen Burstyn.
Hey guys and Louis
Taking advantage of this analysis of Shakespeare's masterpiece, I want to make a quiz about the best performances of each character.
Hamlet: Innokenty Smoktunovsky
Claudius: Derek Jacobi
Ophelia: Anastasiya Vertinskaya and Helena Bonham Carter (TIE)
Gertrude: Elza Radziņa
Laertes: Michael Maloney
Ghost (Hamlet's Father): Paul Scofield
Shaggy: Well, Louis isn't gonna agree with you on Michael Maloney. Also, I hated the movie itself, but Sam Shepard as the ghost in the 2000 version was actually quite good and properly haunting.
Louis: Its totally bizarre to me that anyone could think of hiring Daniel Wu for a comedic role lol he is basically the comedic equivalent of Randy Orton lol.
Shaggy:
Hamlet: Innokenty Smoktunovsky
Claudius: Derek Jacobi
Gertrude: Tabu
Ophelia: Anastasiya Vertinskaya
Horatio: Michael Caine
Laertes: Can't say I have a favorite portrayal
Ghost: Irrfan Khan
The Player King: Charlton Heston
Louis: You once said how a Postman Rings Twice directed and written by Billy Wilder would have been great. When it came to cast the film, MGM considered Joel McCrea for Garfield's role. Also, Turner's character was supposedly Hispanic in the original novel.
What do you think of McCrea and Hayworth in Garfield and Turner's parts if Wilder had written and directed the film?
Anonymous: Joel McCrea and Billy Wilder would've been a great match for sure.
Bryan L: Cary Grant and William Powell also come to mind as actors that would have also been great in a Wilder flick.
8000s: I accidentally misread your name as Anonymous (for some reason), but yeah, those two also would’ve also been perfect. Can’t forget about Clark Gable as well, since his best work was when he combined drama & comedy.
Apparently Power Of The Dog is coming to Netflix December first.
I’m so excited for it. I think it could be a huge player and it’s definitely my most anticipated for the remainder of the year.
Calvin: I have it as my winner prediction for Picture, Director, Lead Actor, Supporting Actress and Adapted Screenplay.
Still predicting Dunst to go Lead instead but yeah, agreed on all other fronts, especially Campion for Director and Cumberbatch. The book is really amazing.
Well, I finished the first season of "The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes" today (half of the entire show), and I'd already say it's quite good. I would greatly reccomend the series as an enjoyable watch, but also as a non-MCU Marvel property that is in some ways more faithful to the comics (Ex. The origin of Ultron and the duplicitous nature of Black Widow). Plus...that opening song is just awesome!
Also of note, I watched "Primal Fear" for the first time last night. As a legal drama I would say it's just fine, since for better and worse, it's mostly what you'd expect from a 90's procedural. The most pivotal aspect, however, is the famous twist, and in that regard the film is excellent.
Norton - 5
Gere - 3.5
Linney - 3.5
McDormand - 3
Mahoney - 3
Braugher - 3
Woodard - 3
Tierney - 2.5
Louis: what are your thoughts on Driver, Cotillard and Helberg in Annette?
Louis, assuming that the makers of Terms of Endearment would succeed in their original plan of casting Burt Reynolds as Garrett Breedlove, would you consider that an improvement compared to Nicholson's performance and why?
Tim:
The editing I think in a way denoted what perhaps would be less of a virtue for Shyamalan later, but worked quite well here. This being a mix between quick horror style editing and drama editing that is slower, and frankly slower than a traditional drama. Here it works great in creating an innate tension as you never know when it will suddenly cut to some horror, while also again fulfilling that contemplative tone within the film. I think later on his gradual approach in his editing was less successful, but here is its pinnacle.
The score by James Newton Howard isn't the first thing I think about from the film, though it is quite effectively used actually in terms of creating atmosphere though restrained. This though in it is a mix between Howard Shore style Cronenberg horror type music and some more beautiful reflective themes at times. A potent mix though that works effectively in creating the emotional power of the film that goes hand in hand with the horror.
8000's:
McCrea would certainly be quite different in that role, Hayworth is easy to see. It would've tested McCrea for sure, though a test I would've liked to have seen particularly with Wilder behind him.
Lucas:
Driver - (The problem here is in the scripting and scenario. This as the character in a way never really has an answer and is far too enigmatic as written. He's as abrasive as characters come in turn, and you can't quite say for sure what it is Driver could do exactly with it to make the character work. He tries to be sure in infusing some sort of innate violent spirit about him, even if this is not ideal. Again the part desperately needed Lavant to even possibly work just because Lavant has that certain quality that would make the character seem intangible in some way. Driver is far too literal, and that isn't even his fault just by virtue of his presence. What is there, he really does try to sell, particularly the final song (one of the few bearable ones) but it doesn't really matter due to mistakes in conception.)
Cotillard - (Sadly as a return to the English language just a waste of her talents. She does what she can with it, but the film makes her little more than a plot point sadly.)
Helberg - (The heart of the film if there is one, in that he's one of the film things in the film that actually affected me as he manage to cut through all the presumptions and pretensions to deliver something genuinely human in his moments. He works within the songs, within the strange story, and just reveals genuine loss and anguish. It really is poignant work, and it is a shame he didn't factor into the film a bit more honestly.)
Ytrewq:
Well I mean Reynolds is a better fit for the astronaut type so would be more believable in that sense. I don't think it would be a titanic improvement, really would depend on his chemistry with MacLaine honestly, but if he had that, I think his presence would be more ideal for the role.
Louis: If it's alright with you, I'll be recommending A Silent Voice and Ted Lasso Season 1 as my animated film/TV picks this year. The second season of the latter might just be my favorite show all year.
Louis: Thoughts on the No Way Home trailer.
Tahmeed:
I'll certainly keep those in mind.
Luke:
Eh given how little I liked the last film, can't help but feel we Raimi Spider-man supporters are being hoodwinked in some way. Having said that, I do think it looks more interesting than the last one at least, but staying cautious as they could be pulling a fast one a la X-Men Quicksilver.
Louis: They're tricking us, for sure.
At the very least it looks interesting, unlike Far From Home, which was a sitcom.
No Way Home looks like a fucking cheat and I will have no part in it. Fool me once, Feige.
I refer to Louis' thoughts when it comes to the "No Way Home" trailer.
As I said above, however, for anyone wanting a little break from the MCU, "Earth's Mightiest Heroes" is a very enjoyable watch.
I don't really care for anything MCU at this point, but I thought Molina looked kinda plastic in the trailer. It's not just me, right? It's either that or my eyesight is starting to worsen.
Emi:
They're doing the de-aging thing with him (which I can only assume Disney has some vested interest in that technology given how it some how appears in every MCU film at this point).
Louis: If you've seen it, what did you think of The Fall Of The Roman Empire.
Louis: Why do you think Teresa Wright's career never really got going post-Shadow of a Doubt and her three Oscar nods, and what roles from the 50s till her death do you think she could have been a good fit for.
Louis: i don*t know how many you*ve read, but i assume at least those that lead to big adaptations, so
Your Top 10 Stephen King books?
Rip Charlie Watts
RIP Charlie Watts.
Louis: Is Douglas leading or supporting in Seven Days in May? I'd place him in lead, if it wasn't for his lack of focus in the second half of the film.
R.I.P. Charlie Watts
Louis: Your thoughts on the screenplay for The Founder? I had actually found & read a copy of the script online before the film came out, so I was left annoyed when John Lee Hancock handled things the way he did.
Luke:
Well save that for the results, though I will say calling Gladiator's screenplay as original now seems a bit of a stretch as it is basically a remake of this film.
Anonymous:
Probably due to her fallout with Samuel Goldwyn which seemed to knock her off the A-list in terms of getting choice roles, however she also kind of fell into the unfortunate state of the actress which as a certain age the roles just aren't really there without a major reinvention like Shelley Winters who was probably one of the most successful of her contemporaries.
I could've seen her though in Vera Miles's Hitchcock roles easily.
Tim:
I've read a few of his full novels but not ten.
Tahmeed:
I put him in lead, because of his perspective in the first half, however I think it is totally fair to say it's a pure ensemble.
Louis: Speaking of Terms of Endearment, I've also read that Anne Bancroft and Janet Leigh were considered for MacLaine's role while Sissy Spacek and Jamie Lee Curtis were considered to play Winger's role.
Brooks also thought of Paul Newman and Harrison Ford for Nicholson's part.
What do you think of these choices?
Luke, your predictions for Louis's lead actor top 5 this year.
Louis: Your favorite Rolling Stones songs?
Anonymous: 1964 or 2021?
After 1964, hopefully the next year of reanalysis will be 1958 (the worst year of the 50s).
It's going to be the 2000s then the 50s.
If it's 2000s first, then I'm rooting for 2006 or 2009.
Perfectionist: It's definitely The Hunt, the Church scene is the greatest of his career.
Luke: I meant to ask for your predictions for 2021
Bryan:
The Founder has an excellent screenplay about one man achieving the American dream by stealing it from someone else, a dark notion that the direction does not focus on, and one of the most obvious disparities between a screenplay and the direction in terms of the intention of the piece. This as Hancock even removed some of the brief but more cutting bits that speak to the intention of the piece all the more, though I think Keaton's performance maintains the intention to an extent. The screenplay though is terrific in creating this pov of the flim flam man, who we do like as he's a go-getter but with no ambition other than taking someone else's ideas. This against the portrait of the McDonalds brothers who are likable in just their earnest honest, against Kroc who is detailed in being a man who exists by being the perpetual salesman. The screenplay then is really the dissection between how these two things clash together, as the man whose charm is false in a way overtakes the genuine men to achieve his tremendous success. This in basically creating an art of the steal essentially, right down to Kroc's stealing of another's man wife, which is played a bit differently in the screenplay particularly in the final scene, taken out of the film, that illustrates Kroc amorality to get everything he wanted without a bit of shame in it. As a screenplay it is a successful companion piece thematically to The Social Network, even though Hancock desperately wants to make a standard biopic out of it, it seems.
8000's:
Bancroft is easy to see, Leigh would've been a stretch of her range, but would've liked to have seen her try.
Spacek would be great with ease naturally, Jamie Lee Curtis with Leigh could've been something special, given otherwise we typically saw them paired together in a more gimmicky way.
Again Ford and Newman would be more fitting in type than Nicholson but again chemistry is what would matter. Maybe for Ford, Newman (Based on What a Way to Go) less so.
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