Martin Stephens did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying Miles in The Innocents.
The Innocents is the masterful telling of the tale of a new governess Miss Giddens (Deborah Kerr) dealing with unexpected horrors as she attempts to take care of two orphaned children on a palatial estate.
Martin Stephens, having previously played a creepy kid in Village of the Damned, takes upon a greater challenge here than that of an inhumane alien spawn in the character of Miles, one of the two children along with his younger sister Flora (Pamela Franklin). Stephens comes into the film as Miles has left school, in fact, expelled, and is returning home. Right from the start it is hard to feel fully comfortable with Miles as performed by Stephens, as he steps off the train with a grin of sheer jubilation. Stephens just seems too content for any person, particularly not a boy who was just kicked off a school. And you see the effectiveness of his performance by attributing qualities of the "innocent" that aren't innocent, in an innocent-seeming way but also not. It's a fundamental trick of this performance that is essential to its way of getting under your skin. Taking his first moment of complementing Kerr's Giddens with flattery, which if spoken with a bit more of naivety or simple surface could seem just like a cute moment of a child pretending to be an adult. Stephens though presents it differently from that though and it is with the confidence he speaks that there is this maturity of the flattery, flattery that in a moment seems genuine, and not with innocence, which in a moment creates a less pleasant quality within the moment. Although notable Stephens doesn't give away the game too early, as a little strange but maybe one can accept it as just a bit more precocious.
We do have what would seem like a bit of a respite from the feeling of uneasiness as the children begin to play, and while I wouldn't say Stephens exactly seems immediately normal, however, one can accept him as a child at play along with his sister at first. The two play though in a way that quickly doesn't at all make you filled with joy or comfort. There is a mix in the way they go about that seems extreme that makes normal childhood antics. The performances are what make the fundamental difference as they just don't seem quite right at all, which in that is most unnerving. Stephens's grin is hard not to see as nefarious as he teases Miss Giddens early on and it isn't a pleasant tease. Stephens has an intensity in his delivery that cuts deeper than it should and that makes Miles more off-putting than his evil alien in damned, because there is something both so believable about his Miles, while also being so unordinary which makes him so disturbing. Particularly there is a moment where Miles "pretend" chokes Miss Giddens, and the sort of mania at the moment that comes across Stephens's face seems so suddenly vicious for a child, yet still childlike in some respects. And perhaps that is the genius of the performance because Stephens never plays the part simply as another, or as a more mature figure in a younger body, it is rather a chimera that is oddly tangible, if so unnatural. Even in the moment of playacting as the two play together, Stephens's conviction as Miles "playing" makes what could be a charming performance, truly unsettling.
The truth of the piece is a complicated one, and part of the brilliance of the adaptation is its ability to juggle concepts between the literal and what can be interpreted. Is this a ghost story about the dead caretaker and old deceased governess haunting the estate, is it just their memory haunting the mind of the deeply repressed and probably rather insane herself Miss Giddens or is it in between somewhere? The greatness of the film is not forcing a choice while also not seeming vague, and personally, I'd say Miss Giddens is a bit off her rocker, but the children are at the very least metaphorically "haunted" by the memories of the old pair of lovers who likely abused them in some way. Stephens's performance in many ways creates the sense of the realization of these concepts in a way that is specific while never affirming an absolute. What we do see is a boy who is not right for his age, but whether that is via ghostly possession, or being mistaught in some way by a creepy older man is what is up to interpretation. In either sense, Stephens's performance brilliantly captures these ideas with a force of presence that is often seen in most performances, and very rarely seen in a child. Stephens's nefarious moments as Miles aren't a simple just creepiness, but rather something truly under the skin because of how much strength there is in these acts behind his eyes. Take the moment where Giddens puts him to sleep, and Stephens as Miles speaks towards her with assurance in his eyes and an attempted seductiveness in his voice as he leaps up and kisses her. Stephens's performance is amazing at the moment because how exact this moment is in his work, it isn't clumsy in an innocent way or a creepy way, it is with a particularly frightening intention.
As much as Stephens makes a powerful impression in giving the greatest creepy child performance of all time already, he perhaps cements this status within the final sequence of the film where Giddens intends to confront him about his "possession" by the old Peter Quint. And the playful Miles twists and turns as she presses the thought to him and tries to get some kind of confession from him. Stephens's first incredible reaction is as he stares down Giddens really and seems truly possessed by Quint, or maybe just using the man's language to his advantage, as he tears into her with violent disparaging anger. Stephens's delivery of the moment is particularly remarkable because again it isn't with a gimmick of a deep voice or anything like that, it is very much a boy's voice, but the intensity behind it and the vileness in his eyes is of a sinister man, maybe just in memory or in truth, either way absolutely captivating to watch. Contrasting that however is when Giddens stays firm in her quest and continues to appeal to the boy as a boy and attempts the confession out of him. Stephens is equally tremendous here and is the one moment in the entire film where Miles seems like, well just a boy. This as Stephens presents this immediate emotional desperation and really just the blunt fear. A fear he presents now not with any of that confidence or sort of eerie wisdom, but rather just the fear of a little boy who is painfully expressing his uncomfortable trauma. The contrasting come seamlessly together to show us Miles as a true victim of something beneath all of his eerie terror, which one can freely interpret on their own. Stephens delivers a great performance here, which requires no qualification, it is simply that by providing the surface chill of an unnervingly mature yet childish boy, and the depth in realizing what might be behind it all.
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Hello Louis and folks!
Let's talk about some 1961 movie translations in non-English speaking countries. The names that were in Brazil were:
West Side Story = Love Sublime Love
The Hustler = Challenge to Corruption
The Guns of Navarone = The Cannons of Navarone
Breakfast at Tiffany’s = Luxury Doll
The Children’s Hour = Infamy
Splendor in the Grass = Clamor of Sex
One, Two, Three = Cupid Has No Flag
Pocketful of Miracles = Lady For a Day
Yojimbo = Yojimbo - The Bodyguard
Flower Drum Song = Lotus Flower
The Parent Trap = The Great Love of Our Lives
The Ladies Man = The Terror of Women
Lover Come Back = Come Back My Love
Come September = When September Comes
The Second Time Around = A Hurricane of Skirts
Paris Blues = Paris Lives at Night
One-Eyed Jacks = The Hidden Face
Whistle Down the Wind = Even the Wind Has Secrets
Back Street = Corner of Sin
The Pleasure of His Company = The Playboy Daddy
One of the all-time great children's performances.
Fantastic performance, great film.
My predictions:
1. Stephens
2. Bates
3. Melvin
4. Ganjiro
5. McKern
Louis - if you have 20 minutes to spare, your thoughts on these short films with Jessie Buckley?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmzY3KAkhNc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bEhSxKXg4w
Louis: Do you plan on seeing Are You There God? It’s Me, Margaret soon? I know we’re not always 1;1 on Supporting Actress choices (hello 2013), but I am fairly certain you’ll like what McAdams did in it.
Phenomenal performance in what is probably my favorite horror film.
Louis: Your rating for Meg Jenkins in this movie?
Robert: I have the same question to you as the last post, though if you didn't see it, cliff notes...
-thoughts on McAdams' performance, and where it stacks up with her career?
-I went to the same high school as her
Mitchell: At the same time?
Matt: God no...like 20 years apart. I can't remember the exact year, but me and some friends found her in the yearbook for 1995-1998 (she was born in 1978, so the math checks out).
Mitchell: It’s always hard for me to fully put into words some of my favorite performances. I’ll just go into one specific aspect about her performance that I think is key to it: Her smile. She doesn’t have just one. She utilizes different smiles for different scenarios that express unspoken feelings that smile might be hiding. Her character is 100% kind-hearted and supportive. But she’s stressed, lonely, and out-of-her-element. She’s not just an idealized version of a mom we’d all want. She’s real. The performance she reminded me most of was Ethan Hawke in Boyhood, who was similar in how he utilized his smile in similar ways that prevented over-idealization. She doesn’t get a “big” moment, either. It’s not like she’s playing it introverted, mind you, but she doesn’t need a big scene to get her point across. I’m not sure if I’d put her in it over her work in Spotlight, but I know no one is going to top her for me for the rest of the year, because she would have been my win in the last two years had it come out in 2021 or 2022.
Very looking forward to Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret when I can get a chance to see it.
Stephens is brilliant here. Easy runner-up for me and it's pretty amazing how such a young actor navigates all the potential challenges of the role to deliver such a great complex turn.
Also, Louis: can you imagine Kerry Condon in a modern day version of this story? She even looks a bit like Kerr.
Brilliant performance.
Really, the entire film is just brilliant.
Great review of a great performance, love the screencap.
Louis: Where does Stephens rank now amongst your top 10 performances by child actors?
Branzinterma:
Judgment at Nuremberg - The Jugdment of Nuremberg
The Guns of Navarone - The Cannons of Navarone
The Huster - City Sharks
The Mark - Marked
Two Women - ... yet still they live
Splendor in the Grass - Fever in the Blood
Pocketful of Miracles - The Lower 10 Thousand
The Children's Hour - Infam
General Della Rovere - The Wrong General
Lover Come Back - A Pajama for 2
One-Eyed Jacks - The Obsessed
The Parent Trap - Their Parents Marriage Announce ...
Misfits - Not Sociable
No Love For Johnnie - And Tomorrow Everything
The Innocents - Castle Of Terror
Louis: What would be your casts for Kurosawa versions of Julius Caesar and Antony and Cleopatra? I feel like both plays had great potential for the great Japanese master to adapt them into a feudal Japan setting.
Robert:
Certainly sooner than later.
Anonymous:
A strong 4.
Tony:
The first pretty standard script wise for the first one, however the lighting is fairly striking and Buckley humanizes the hell of a fairly rote scenario. And the twist...eh.
The second proves how important cinematography and directing is to period pieces especially (as shown most obviously in Public Enemies), as it certainly makes everything look like costumes rather than clothes very easily as is the case here. Buckley again attempting in selling it to the nth degree, though I don't think she and Sophia Brown have enough chemistry to make it work, and even as a short scenario is a bit clunky.
So both shorts I don't think are great, but Buckley is very good in both...and I'll always take more Buckley.
Calvin:
Yes, and I agree she does have a certain resemblance to Kerr.
Marcus:
Ask again in the results.
8000's:
Julius Caesar:
Mark Antony: Tatsuya Nakadai
Brutus: Toshiro Mifune
Cassius: Masayuki Mori
Caesar: Susumu Fujita
Casca: Takashi Shimura
Cicero: Isao Kimura
Antony & Cleopatra:
Mark Antony: Tatsuya Nakadai
Octavius Caesar: Tsutomu Yamazaki
Domitius Enobarbus: Keji Sada
Sextus Pompeius: Yūzō Kayama
Cleopatra: Kyōko Kagawa
Thought Succession was amazing, with the climactic confrontation really exceeding any and all expectations I had. Macfadyen and Snook co-MVPs, they have both been phenomenal throughout the last few episodes.
Also liked the major shake-up in Barry, although I think it will be divisive. It's a fascinating choice, and while I would have liked a *bit* more filling between the gaps, the focus worked for me. Hader and Goldberg were equally great.
I really, really hate what they did to Sally
Tonight's Barry seemed like it was going out of its way to challenge and frustrate the viewers. Not one of my fave episodes, but one of the most fascinating. Ultimately little happened in the way of actual plot, but just watching these characters go about their day was oddly compelling.
Not gonna lie, I found myself distracted during the big Sally scene due to its use of Rilo Kiley's "Portions for Foxes", a song I've listened to approximately 10 thousand times.
Robert: Would you care to elaborate?
Louis: Your past roles for Sarah Goldberg?
Tony: Elaborating would involve spoilers, surely?
Louis: Your top 20 peter sarsgaard acting moments
Matt: Not if Robert chooses to word things vaguely enough.
Yeah, Succession was pretty amazing, the striking Ken/Rava scene, everything within the party from Matsson hovering around as this kind of ticking time bomb to the Roman/Gerri and Roman/Connor spiralling, and of course everything about that final confrontation. Snook MVP but yes, Macfadyen extraordinary too. Also think this might've been Skarsgard
Honestly have no idea how I feel about Barry, though certainly acted well (Goldberg in particular), and I think I'll reserve judgment until I see where they're fully going with this.
Succession on the other hand I loved unabashedly. The dissolution of the "peace" of Tom and Shiv, both performed brilliantly, leaning MacFadyen MVP though Snook is extremely close. Skarsgard also great though as basically an imp throughout. Strong and Culkin both great showing both brother's attempts and failures throughout the night. And then Braun and especially Ruck hilarious in their more comedic bits.
Tony:
Goldberg:
Rose Gator
Joyce Brabner
Sandy Lester
Louis: Uhh do you mean Claudia Gator? She strikes me as way too young for the Melinda Dillon role.
Louis: Brian Cox is running Lead, which is fascinating to say the least in parallel with the show.
Fingers crossed Alan Ruck finally gets his first Emmy nom this year.
Calvin:
That's a very Logan move to be sure.
Louis: Rating and thoughts on Hideko Takamine in The Rickshaw Man.
Alright, I'll give an update on a few 2023 movies I've recently seen:
After 2000 version my expectations were low, but the new Dungeons & Dragons proved to be a very enjoyable adventure. Balances humor and more serious moments well in a way expected from the genre, I'd say.
Pine-4
Rodriguez-3.5
Page-3
Smith-3.5
Lillis-3
Grant-3.5/4
Coleman-3
Head-3.5
Cooper-3
Renfield is made of two components: a gaudy, in your face comedy that is selectively funny and a repetitive story of a guy changing for better and finding love, I guess. Not worth watching outside of fine emotional turns of Nicholas Hoult and Awkwafina and Nicolas Cage being appropriately campy. Even then I feel like I'd end up as the movie's biggest supporter out of everybody here.
Hoult-3.5
Cage-3.5
Awkwafina-3.5
Schwartz, Aghdashloo and Martinez-2.5
Black-2
Lastly, Seneca - On the Creation of Earthquakes is garbage due to uninspired acting, an anachronism stew type of setting that comes off more as awkward and pretentious than prophetic and a disposable set of characters. Plus the people behind it must've really hated Seneca's guts for some bizarre reason, since otherwise they wouldn't make a movie about him babbling for an entirety of it, to the point one completely stops paying attention to what was meant to be a pretty tragic story.
Malkovich-2.5(that's only beacuse his monotone voice sorta fits the director's confusing vision of Seneca-the man who basically kept going on a pointless diatribe one after another... but at the end he still managed to predict future? Anyway he handles some reactions well, but that wasn't enough to raise his score)
Xander-2.5
Everybody else-2
Are You There God, It's Me, Margaret, is kind of pitch perfect, and despite being an adaptation feels like a natural progression for Kelly Fremon Craig's Edge of Seventeen, to this which still has the same instincts for comedic timing as that film, though perhaps here a greater challenge in balancing that with the more emotional and dramatic elements from the source. Craig balances this wonderfully well by bringing the same kind of natural honesty to the more emotional moments and not overplaying the comedy, or the more eccentric characters. More than anything though there is just such a richness within the sincerity of the piece, and finding such honesty in the dynamic between peer groups and even more so through families. All cased within a low-key but winning 70's aesthetic, you have a wonderful little film.
McAdams - 5(Robert, You have my sword)
Fortson - 4.5
Graham - 4
Safdie - 4
Bates - 4
Kellum - 3.5
Young - 3
Price - 3.5
Kupferer - 3
Really want to see Are You There God.. sometime soon, I'm delighted that McAdams has a 5 for it.
Louis: Thoughts on the cast.
Louis: Category placements for McAdams and Fortson.
Finally someone got five in 2023.
Louis: Could you explain why you can see Sarah Goldberg as Rose Gator?
Also, your thoughts on this Bill Hader interview?
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/barry-season-4-episode-5-recap-with-bill-hader/id1586390793?i=1000612111311
Holy...Regina George got herself a 5 from Louis.
Can't say I would've expected that given her track record (highest ratings being 4s, I believe), but its nonetheless cool to see.
Mitchell: He’ll come around on her in Spotlight. Eventually. Maybe. Possibly.
Look, I at least convinced Calvin.
Mitchell: Wow, you went to the same school as Rachel McAdams? That's pretty cool.
Also, I believe Louis has given Rachel a 4,5 for a performance. Can't remember which movie it is from, though.
Louis: Your thoughts on the direction and screenplay of The Innocents?
Tahmeed:
McAdams - (I've liked McAdams enough times, however, this is the first time I fully loved a performance of hers, although the interesting part is I think in some ways it carries the same traits of her typical work, but just in a way that has never been more successful. McAdams in general, well really other than her probably most popular performance, has an unfussy to the point of almost casual kind manner onscreen which the way she utilizes here is absolutely wonderful. It's not a performance that is all about the big moments, though she does have a few key moments in that regard, but more so every moment in just how much natural life she brings to the part. It isn't about a single idea but really the natural flow of the performance that makes it so splendid. There is of course a great deal of warmth in her work that is extremely endearing but that is so often just part of how she expresses the character who is always kind of just winging things in various ways. And the way in which she portrays this feels so genuine it is not to hard love everything she does and in turn everything her character does. I think where this could've tripped up a performance is the dramatic moments, but what I love, and why this is a great performance for me, is that not only does she reach these moments naturally she never sacrifices the overall approach to hit these moments. It is still in the same design of someone just trying to make it work, more emotional, but still also funny even in some of her reactions, but more than anything it just feels true.)
Fortson - (After not being terribly impressed by her work in Ant-man I can say she's come into her own, and another performer who would've been better than Kathryn Newton as Cassie albeit too young but I digress. Her performance is terrific though because I think she avoids the pitfalls of the protagonist of this ilk by being too much of any kind of surrogate and allowing enough of a personality of her own to shine through while still maintaining enough of the "average" quality. She doesn't put too much on her narration nor does she put too little, and the same is true about the rest of her performance. She rather just makes herself authentic in creating the pressure of school, combined with the fun of being a child, combined with the moments of giving into peer pressure and following questionable choices, and of course hitting the most dramatic moments with the right sincerity.)
Graham - (I think she does deserve special mention because a performance like this can easily be way too much very easily, however, I think she balances the part well by being pompous and bossy without playing it as overtly villainous or one-dimensionally cruel. She rather brings a brattiness to the character but in a way where it isn't overpowering the rest of the work. It is a quality in her work but not the only quality.)
Bates - (Here's where I think you can give some great credit to Craig's abilities as a director as I think Bates is right near the tipping point to being too much in the part, but she rather stays just right on the edge. Hit the eccentric border well without becoming a cartoon, and I think in most adaptations of this work the character would've been such. And I think you see that consistently within the film, same with Graham, which I think speaks very much too strong direction because every time never veers too far off. In turn, Bates is convincing while also being funny, and makes the eccentricity of the character something that can be believed while also having the right fun with the bit of chaos her character brings.)
Safdie - (Making a fine resume for himself as a performer at this point and really hoping Nolan includes all the juices material about Edward Teller in Oppenheimer, because if that is the case he could be the supporting actor standout in that film. Anyway, back on this topic, really enjoyed Safdie's work in meeting McAdams in bringing a "let's go with it" energy to his performance and just an innate sweetness about him. The two together just feel right together, and that is in creating really splendid unfussy chemistry that just shines in the right way. Although there is less of a focus on the father/daughter relationship, the moments that are there Safdie shines with through just innately earnest work.)
Kellum - (Doesn't have too much to do, but I did like everything he did with what he had. Bringing a believable, distant, kind of warmth as the teacher who cares but in a way that is convincing by just how quietly reassuring or concerned he is in his performance.)
Price & Kupferer - (The latter is fulfilling a type and does it fine, the former gets a little more to do and I did think she brings a nice natural bit of depth to her character in the moments where she does get a little more focus.)
Tony:
Yes, I wrote down the first female Gator without looking at who played her.
Robert:
To be fair, I've always liked McAdams in Spotlight, which is better than many who show disdain towards her nomination, which such disdain I find a bit baffling.
Luke:
Supporting for McAdams, Fortson is lead.
Yah, with McAdams' nod for "Spotlight", the impression I got at the time was that a lot of general audiences felt it wasn't anything that challenging or quote-on-quote "awards worthy". Kind of opens the conversation to what it deemed memorable acting, and the sorts of emotive performances the academy generally recognizes (even in the same catagory and field IE Alicia Vikander in "The Danish Girl").
Either way, I can look at McAdams' work in retrospect, and admire it for totally reflecting and tone/intentions of the film. The movie is a notably grounded and non-showy portrayal of it's story, and like much of the cast McAdams is similarly genuine. I not nearly as big on her work as Robert (wouldn't put her above Mara or Jason Lee), but it's a fine turn that attunes itself to what the film is asking for - which is precisely what an actor should do in a given role.
Regarding McAdams in Spotlight, I always thought her performance was sensational. I felt isolated when praising her cause not many reacted to her nom the same way, but even then I found it to be an easy 5. Was a massive fan of movie during those times. She might become my winner for 2015 supporting actress one day, #2 currently, at the moment it's still Vikander in Ex Machina.
My enhanced love for McAdams in Spotlight in part comes from everything Robert has said, in part from a changing personal attitude towards what great acting is, and also I guess just seeing a lot of the bigger hams in the category over the years and appreciating how unfussy yet effective she is in it.
I'm lower on her than you guys, but that's because i'm lower on the film itself. I never understood the intense love Spotlight received. For me that movie has always been good, but that's pretty much it. It works well as is, but doesn't really have something that stands out or have anything that makes me say "This is legitimately amazing". McAdams fits into it well, and therefore doesn't amaze me either
Louis: If you don't mind, thoughts on the voices of Calvin Coolidge and Robert La Follette. You can hear how they sound on these first short movies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5plfw9dV24&t=19s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwZnExRb8zU&t=25s
Louis: Say the director and the cast of The Innocents with Condon as Miss Giddens.
Louis: Thoughts on the Poor Things teaser.
8000's:
Eh, I'm gonna pull back on thoughts on politicians voices.
Shaggy:
I mean, two unknown kids who are very talented.
Luke:
Looks delightfully insane from that snippet. I'll admit I would've had it in my top ten most anticipated if I had known that McNamara had taken over the scripting duties.
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