Wednesday 31 May 2023

Alternate Best Actor 2009: Hal Holbrook in That Evening Sun

Hal Holbrook did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying Abner Meecham in That Evening Sun. 

That Evening Sun follows an old man who escapes from his retirement home and comes into conflict with the father of a family that took over his old farm. 

The always reliable character actor of Hal Holbrook is given the rare opportunity to take the leading role here within the "old codger" genre, of a man of a bygone era who is our protagonist lashing out at something current. As a film in this genre, this film isn't particularly good, as there are too many things missing in the script to really create a captivating central conflict, which I will get to, or any sort of thematic exploration of who exactly the character of Abner is or what his struggle means even. Holbrook is a great actor and he is the one thing I will readily praise about this film. From the opening scene, he brings a reality to the potential cliches of Abner, as he even goes about looking for his watch and dismissing the local man who becomes quickly exasperated by the quest. Holbrook's work just tears through the scene and you instantly get a sense of the years of this man living his life his way and not taking a moment to suffer fools. Holbrook exudes that far more than the film really sets it up in any meaningful way, and creates a striking figure through his performance. He is worth watching from the first frame because you do believe Abner as a man because Holbrook is so convincing as this man regardless. When he speaks there is the weight of years of seeming wisdom in there, even as the film progresses in a way that isn't exactly the most captivating. 

Holbrook's Abner returns to his home which he finds is now lived in by the Choat family, including Lonzo Choat (Ray McKinnon), whom Abner views as the lowest of the low. Holbrook's performance excels in being the old "coot" who bluntly states his views without exception. And with that, Holbrook does create nuance within the character. We have his moments with the daughter (early Mia Wasikowska), where Holbrook makes no bones about his beliefs and even states directly about her use of language, though there is a seeded bit of warmth in Holbrook's performance. Just enough warmth really as even when correcting bluntly, and making his views about her father clear, Holbrook doesn't hesitate or hide a single sentiment about it. And in that Holbrook grants a bit more depth within the character of Abner, perhaps even as written as it would've been very easy to make these lines just as onery as the rest of him, but Holbrook brings a bit more life to them suggesting a more paternal figure than we will see the rest of the time. With Choat's wife, Holbrook is straightforward, though in a somewhat more amiable way in that he doesn't emphasize anything more than what he sees as the truth and just tells her what he thinks he needs to know. This is in stark contrast to how he interacts with Choat himself, where Holbrook is just exuding venom towards the man, and delivers every word to the man as curtly and without any empathy as possible. 

The progression of the conflict is very weak because it stakes the deck so heavily. As much as Abner is grumpy and set in his ways, he is automatically a saint compared to Lonzo, who despite one action near the end of the film that feels frankly false compared to his portrayal throughout, is a completely wretched human being in every sense of the word. There could've been something more here if say Lonzo was flawed in some ways, but being straight-up horrible really makes the conflict rather dull. Instead, basically, we get the beef we see as Abner is himself, which again is a great man compared to Lonzo, compared to Lonzo who is horrible to everyone (emphasized by Ray McKinnon's nuance-less performance, which is rare for him). We see him set up some ways to "make his moves" but they really are honestly rather uninteresting. The only thing interesting is Hal Holbrook's acting of them, just because he is a compelling performer who always knows how to emphasize a bit more history to every moment, even when the history really is barely there in the script. I think this is most evident with his son (Walton Goggins in a thankless role), who placed him in the home, to begin with, and doesn't want him in this conflict. Holbrook's directness again is different, he is blunt, callous at times, but without the venom like with Choat. Rather he presents a father, but a very tough father, who wants his son to be an honest man and doesn't care for his dishonest ways at times. Of course from the son we get how he was apparently a terrible father, and what does this all add up to? Not much, because the film likes to ask questions, but doesn't really like to answer them, or at least not answer them particularly well. Instead, we get what just the actors are giving us, which thanks to Holbrook is more than something, but he's asked a bit too much of it all. I think this is most evident in the climax of the conflict which is an extremely desperate moment, that really comes along too quickly, without proper buildup with the characters, and has a resolution that just feels dishonest compared to everything else we've seen up until this point. The only thing not dishonest is Holbrook's portrayal of the moment as he mixes this desperation with a somber nostalgia, and manages to be moving in the scene, even while the moment seems more than a little rushed. Speaking of rushed, there is a quick resolution and reconciliation with his son. Again Holbrook gives it his all and does produce something but it is all from him, with the writing helping so little he can only do so much. Still, as just a showcase for the talents of Holbrook, this is still a very good performance, even if still a missed opportunity in some ways due to lackluster material. 

81 comments:

Luke Higham said...

1. Rahim
2. Foster
3. Taylor-Johnson
4. Holbrook
5. Giamatti

8000S said...

Louis: Thoughts on these scenes from Yojimbo.

"The fight between the two gangs gets interrupted"
"Sanjuro and Gonji observe the Inspector having tea"
"Sanjuro brings Hachi and Kuma to Seibei"

Emi Grant said...

Ah, fuck it. I'll have faith in my request. I'm deleting my earlier prediction.

1. Darin
2. Stuhlbarg
3. McHattie
4. Whishaw
5. Song

1. Rahim
2. Foster
3. Taylor-Johnson
4. Holbrook
5. Giamatti

Emi Grant said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the film's cinematography and the rest of the cast?

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Do you have any final post-mortem thoughts on Barry and Succession, esp. in terms of how they evolved creatively?

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your top 10 sarah goldberg acting moments

Bryan L. said...

I can’t believe I was mentally scouring for baseball-themed films in the previous post and Pete Rose wasn’t one of them. Maybe a potential idea for the Safdies (with the betting and all?) Anyways…

Louis: Your updated thoughts on Alexander Skarsgaard in Succession.

Perfectionist said...

1. Darin
2. Stuhlbarg
3. McHattie
4. Whishaw
5. Song

1. Rahim
2. Foster
3. Taylor-Johnson
4. Holbrook
5. Giamatti

Bryan L. said...

1. Darin
2. Stuhlbarg
3. McHattie
4. Whishaw
5. Song

1. Rahim
2. Foster
3. Holbrook
4. Taylor-Johnson
5. Giamatti

Robert MacFarlane said...
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Robert MacFarlane said...

Louis: You ever look at a review you gave ten years ago (so basically 2013), and say “Wait, what? Why did I write that? That can’t be right.”

This question is based on me discovering an old take of mine on a Word document that I honest to God don’t remember writing.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your thoughts on robert wisdom in barry

Calvin Law said...

Yeah pretty much agree with this, fine performance, boring film.

Saw Across the Spider-Verse. Pretty good, dug it mostly except for some of the third act beats and it is very set up for next instalment, but gloriously animated and dynamic as expected with some neat expansions.

Moore - 4
Steinfeld - 4
Henry - 3.5
Vélez - 3.5
Johnson - 3.5
Schwartzman - 3
Rae - 3
Soni - 3
Kaluuya - 3.5
Isaac - 3.5

Matt Mustin said...

1. Rahim
2. Foster
3. Holbrook
4. Giamatti
5. Taylor-Johnson


Saw Blackberry. Pretty damn good. Nice to see Waterloo (where I live) showcased so prominently on the screen.

Baruchel and Howerton are the leads.

Baruchel-4(BY FAR the most I've ever liked him)

Howerton-5(A force of nature. Absolutely dominates the film, even when he's offscreen)

Johnson-3(Mixed bag)

Ironside-3.5

Rubinek-3.5

Elwes-3(I always like him, pretty much, and he's particularly good at corporate sleaze)


Tony Kim said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Emily Blunt in The Young Victoria?

Matt Mustin said...

Tony: He'll give thoughts at the end, I'm sure.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis: Your past roles for Steve Buscemi, David Lynch and Bruce Willis?

Tony Kim said...

Matt: Yeah, I considered asking him if he was going to give them after the alternates as I did in the last post, but to my memory he generally does those for films with a performance he's planning to review so I figured it might be worth a shot.

Louis: What were your thoughts on Millhauser's novels? I've only read his short stories so I'm curious about how his sensibility translates to novel form.

Marcus said...

Louis: Now that Barry, Better Call Saul and Succession have ended, your updated top 30 TV performances? The old list is on Hardy/Gandolfini's review for The Drop.

Omar Franini said...

1. Rahim
2. Foster
3. Holbrook
4. Taylor-Johnson
5. Giamatti

Louis Morgan said...

With Spider-Verse as much as I'd preferred to maybe have the whole story at once, I will say I enjoyed everything about this so it is hard to complain too much. It is almost worth recommending on the visuals alone, however those are supplemented with extremely inventive action sequences, rich vocal performances, wonderful gags (though maybe a couple seemed dictated by Studio notes) and most needed, creative storytelling and genuine heart in its accentuation on really realize these spider-people as genuine people.

Moore - 4
Steinfeld - 4
Henry - 3.5
Vélez - 3.5
Johnson - 3.5
Schwartzman - 3
Rae - 3
Soni - 3
Whigham - 3.5
Kaluuya - 3.5
Isaac - 4

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on the cast.

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

The fight interruption is great because you see really the samurai going about his plans and how they get messed up, but really there is the sort of sloppy tension of the gang, inching at each other almost like children, and the samurai loving it, because for him it is a game. And only seems to be ideal that it gets interrupted almost like a teacher showing up during a playground brawl.

Speaking of such, the "joke" the inspector where because the samurai is frustrated as he sees things on hiatus, but you also are granted the sense that nothing would change in the town without the samurai. He's the force changing it all, as the inspector is just a delay, that's it.

Emi Grant:

McKinnon - 2(Okay Indie Spirits, you got some explaining to do. Well, he's no Dwight Yoakam here, and I usually like McKinnon. I'll admit he is not helped by just how evil the character is to the point there is no nuance, but I'll be honest I don't think McKinnon delivers any nuance. In plays his anger scenes really bluntly, without any sense of layered desperation behind it all. He's just wretched in every sense, and makes it an extremely limited and really just kind of tiresome character.)

Goggins - 2.5(I did like his last scene, however mostly this is a thankless role despite Goggins being a great fit for the setting. The character just is underwritten, but unlike McKinnon, I did think he found just *a bit* more depth.)

Wasikowska - 2.5(Indie spirits again huh? She's not terrible I guess, but she falls a little bit into "redneck" face-type posturing, but thankfully never that bad. There was a seed of an idea with her scenes with Holbrook to create something, but it never goes anywhere so it really just doesn't add up.)

Preston - 3(Maybe the thinnest of all the characters, but I did think she devised just a hint of depth in her portrayal of this more sincere desperation in her attachment to McKinnon's character. Again this is NOT explored in any way that is at all effective, but she seems game for a better-written part.)

In terms of just the general shooting of scenes to capture this naturalistic photography of the beauty of a rustic setting is pretty good, I will say though there is even some inconsistency there due to some gimmicky (and inexplicable) shots thrown in there like those Hitchcockian moments that are baffling for a film like this, though indeed that's bad direction rather cinematography. When the cinematography is straightforward though, it is fairly good.

Louis Morgan said...

Tony:

Barry I think failed to really commit to the promise of season 3 as its darker turn, and in turn season 4 was a wonky mess with a terrible idea in the time jump. I honestly think this was an extreme case where the team seemed to be writing to get to the ending to the point of making the most unnatural regressions or jumps to make it all fit. Honestly, I think Hader had the idea for that last scene and just wanted to get to that, despite so many things (especially the framing of Cousineau) requiring some pretty ridiculous leaps. I have to admit Barry pulled, what Kathy Bates in Misery, where it didn't really begin where it left off in 3, they needed to get out of where they were left, but instead they "cheated", and it showed. Although I'll say, unlike a different HBO show, the last season wasn't horrible just wasted potential, and leaves the series as 3 parts out of 4, though honestly I think you could just watch till 3, and frankly it's a better ending for the series.

Succession had to work out a couple of kinks in season 1, then was just a masterclass in writing, and proof that it is all about the execution. Technically if you break down certain elements there are theoretically repetitions, but they never feel as such because what is found new is in the execution every time. Even if it was again about a power play, they made every play feel new, by either variation or just because the dialogue was just that damn good. It also though just found always more to explore with these characters and their dynamics, and unlike Barry, its big swing ended up being a move of genius because it created the impetus for a proper sendoff, for what is an all-time great series.

I'd rather not jump too far into "book talk" only because feels like a can of worms, again the same reason why I don't give thoughts on not film-originated music.

Bryan:

Yes to Safdies/Rose.

Skarsgard - (So basically I think he pulled off what he was going for in season 3 in season 4, but perhaps in a weird way, he might've needed to not act with Cox strangely enough, as the power dynamic felt closer with Roy children, where Logan even with Matsson always felt like a phony in comparison, where with Kendall/Roman/Shiv suddenly we saw the player, maybe intentional, but either way it made Skarsgard's performance come to life with this impish pestering energy. Where he was able to weaponize the blitheness of an ultra-successful man who exists for the deal and the attack. There Skarsgard excelled for me, and again it is perhaps because it was an up-and-down game, where we had that sense of challenge in Skarsgard's performance that made him far more captivating than in 3, where he played bored...kind of boring.)

Robert:

Yes, I mean when I was reminded that I wrote in Pacino's review that I preferred Godfather 2 to 1, I literally had no memory of ever having that opinion, but more recently even, I have to admit that are certain reviews I've forgotten I wrote entirely.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Wisdom - (Where his character goes is utterly baffling, and was again something that was inconsistent with what they established in season 3. Having said that I did love the extreme calm of his intensity as basically someone who never expelled energy in his method, he simply was and in that was this tremendous force. Again something that was dishonestly explored...in fact why did he even lock up Barry to leave him....that was terrible honestly as written.)

Ytrewq:

Steve Buscemi:

George Peatty (The Killing)
Sgt. Pete Menzies
Charlie (Seconds)

David Lynch:

Judge Weaver
Old Man (Seconds)
Willie (Going in Style)

Bruce Willis:

Daniel McGinty
Lt. Jim Bledsoe
Antiochus "Tony" Wilson

Marcus:

1. Bryan Cranston - Breaking Bad
2. Mark Rylance - Wolf Hall
3. Kyle MacLachlan - Twin Peaks
4. Alec Guinness - Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy
5. Glenn Howerton - It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
6. James Gandolfini - The Sopranos
7. Matthew Macfadyen - Succession
8. Liv Ullmann - Scenes From a Marriage
9. Jeremy Strong - Succession
10. Ray Wise - Twin Peaks
11. Brian Cox - Succession
12. Alfie Allen - Game of Thrones
13. Aaron Paul - Breaking Bad
14. Rhea Seehorn - Better Call Saul
15. Jackie Gleason - The Honeymooners
16. Kirsten Dunst - Fargo
17. Leonard Nimoy - Star Trek
18. Charles Dance - Game of Thrones
19. Oscar Isaac - Show Me a Hero
20. Jason Alexander - Seinfeld
21. Jonathan Banks - Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul
22. Bob Odenkirk - Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul
23. Sarah Snook - Succession
24. Giancarlo Esposito - Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul
25. Michael Richards - Seinfeld
26. Matthew McConaughey - True Detective
27. Woody Harrelson - True Detective
28. Art Carney - The Honeymooners
29. Zach Woods - Silicon Valley
30. Kieran Culkin - Succession

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Your past roles for Jason Alexander and Julia Louis-Dreyfus?

What do you think of Tony Dalton in these roles?

Alejandro Gillick (Sicario)
Desi Arnaz
Zorro

Calvin Law said...

I thought Blackberry was really terrific and I think Howerton would make for a magnificently fitting review on here (I would consider him as a co-lead without question. Baruchel was excellent too).

Matthew Montada said...

Calvin: ratings for the cast of Blackberry?

PS: I enjoyed the movie a lot too.

My Cast Ratings:
Jay Baruchel - 4
Glenn Howerton - 5
Matt Johnson - 3
Michael Ironside - 3.5
Saul Rubinek - 3
Cary Elwes - 3.5

Louis Morgan said...

Anyone who thinks "Air" is the best "famous product movie" from 2023 are  Idiots! Savages! Idiots! Idiots!. Because not only is Blackberry superior it also is one of the best films of the year. I honestly just kind of loved this, and in a way, the film's production coincides with the early narrative of this film, as scrappy ingenuity outweighs just cash. As despite being 95 million less to make than "Air," this film is superior through the ingenuity of a better script, and the usage of undervalued, yet just as talented, performers. 

This is a taut and rather unfussy piece, yet I think this approach, brings a real depth in its successful examination of really exactly what success looks like. How the small ingenuity can be exploited, however how also the clash between perhaps wayward creatives and vicious business sharks makes strange bedfellows. The shrinking of joy, in the name of success. And the blunt brutality of going from the top of the line to an afterthought in seeming a moments notice. 

You know who I'm saving (which I don't usually give away my thoughts, but this feels a bit like a kind of vindication for myself and Calvin.)

Baruchel - 4
Elwes - 3
Rubinek - 3.5
Ironside - 3.5
Sommer - 3
Cho - 3
Johnson - 4

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

I'm beyond hyped for the Golden God to finally get a review here. Can't wait for BlackBerry.

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the pink smoke scene from High and Low.

It's said that Kurosawa had originally wanted to do something similar in Sanjuro what he did in High and Low with the smoke, by showing the color of the camelias.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis: What do you think of Buscemi as Dr Herman Einstein and Lynch as Dr Rumack (Airplane!)?

Anonymous said...

Louis: Thoughts on the BlackBerry cast.

Calvin Law said...

Matthew: same as Louis, though I'm honestly quite tempted to go up to a 4.5 for Baruchel.

Tim said...

1) Stuhlbarg
2) McHattie
3) Darin
4) Whishaw
5) Song



1) Rahim
2) Foster
3) Holbrook
4) Taylor-Johnson
5) Giamatti

Emi Grant said...

Calvin: Having just watched it, I'd go for it, personally. I think the single most effective and palpable aspect of Baruchel's performance is how he shows Mike's growing replication of Balsillie's behavior.

Omar Franini said...

1. Darin
2. Stuhlbarg
3. McHattie
4. Whishaw
5. Song

Shaggy Rogers said...

Hey guys
Talk about your bets on Louis' Top 5 Best Cinematography:

1. Inglourious Basterds
2. Mother
3. The Road
4. A Serious Man
5. The White Ribbon

And what are your ranks?

Matt Mustin said...

Eh, 4 for Baruchel feels right to me.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

BlackBerry's premise seemed interesting from the beginning and the end result surely didn't disappoint me.

Baruchel-4
Howerton-5 (it feels great to know that possibly the most beloved current day actor on this blog could finally get his first review)
Elwes-3 (wouldn't have minded more of him)
Rubinek-3
Ironside-3.5
Sommer-3
Cho-2.5
Johnson-3.5

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Your thoughts on this Udo Kier interview? https://www.avclub.com/udo-kier-1798223583

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

All the reprises in Spider-Verse are strong reprises that bring genuine emotional nuance, while also being funny and charming. They are that again, if they were that before. Vélez gets more to do than she had in the first film, and I think is successful in bringing her own sort of different angle to the parenting than what we get from Henry, as the sort of "too big though endearing" type of dad, where she's more quiet yet also wholly works in creating that connection.

Schwartzman - (I mean he does exactly what you'd expect him to do.)

Rae & Soni - (Limited but effective in bringing a bit of life to what they have.)

Whigham - (Really liked what he did here in terms of bringing the overt rough and tough quality as the first thing you kind of hear, but all he does is peel away, which when he does there's so much warmth and care in his voice that is just wonderful, particularly coming from his voice in particular.)

Kaluuya - (Enjoyable in his one note of constant being "too cool for school" playing that note in a way that I did enjoy, which one deserves special credit for when they pull it off, which Kaluuya does.)

Isaac - (Well with what started as a quick joke in the first film, thought he really delivered some honest intensity and gravitas in his performance. And I think it would've been easy to make him boring or too much, but I liked the emotion he brought in the often vicious intensity. Isaac creating the sense of someone who genuinely cares, but that care makes him going all in on some questionable decisions. In that though Isaac's vocal work finds real desperation and pathos, and never simplifies the character.)

Tony:

I'm not sure I would cast Alexander in anything, I love him as George, but I honestly haven't really liked him in anything other than when he played himself in Curb.

Louis-Dreyfus:

Lucy Warriner
Sylvia Fowler
Miss Wilhelmina Clark

Gillick - (He's basically the polar opposite in terms of the type of energy from Del Toro, so it would be something to see, but I could definitely see it in a very different way.)

Desi Arnaz - (Don't know about his singing chops, but certainly would've been better casting than Bardem. As he has that outgoing charm, even if psychotic, that would be far more appropriate for the role. And while hardly a dead-ringer himself, he does look more like Arnaz than Bardem.)

Zorro - (Haven't seen him carry as the lead, but he certainly has the energy and physique for it.)

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

Honestly one of the greatest pseudo-4th wall breaks of all time, because it technically purposefully breaks the natural understanding of the film world by including color in black and white. But its goal is achieved so brilliantly because it makes it as fundamental and important a moment to the viewer as the characters by adding that extra something, of truly seeing the smoke differently as the characters doing. A huge moment that sets up the film's final act.

Ytrewq:

I actually had considered going with Buscemi for Einstein as a past role, so I definitely could see it.

Lynch would be perfect as Dr. Rumack.

Anonymous:

Baruchel - (The most I've ever liked him by a substantial margin. And the first half of the film is playing within his type, though I think effectively so in presenting the aggressive modesty of the man though combined with a genuine hidden genius at the same time. I particularly liked the quiet sense of passion in his withdrawn manner and acts as such an ideal contrast to his co-lead. The second half, we see the changed man to the "professional", and again Baruchel for me succeeds in going more so against type, in presenting a more hard-bitten and openly passionate man, though now more corrupt in those passions. And we now indeed see him no longer contrasting his co-lead, but rather being an alternate version of him at times.)

Elwes - (Nice bit of sleaze from him...although I have to admit I would love for someone to let him be charming again.)

Rubinek & Ironside - (And here are two great character actors, who aren't big budget just damn talented. Rubinek instantly making you get this guy whose seen a lot in his industry therefore making his moments of genuine interest hit. And it was so great to get to see Ironside let loose a bit, he's still got that gear in the menace he does bring here. Though I also like the other side he shows later on as a bit of a more modest man when dealing with a pressure he's less familiar with.)

Sommer & Cho - (Enjoyed their quick bits.)

Johnson - (I'm often the first to call out a director for a bad performance, but I thought he cast himself ideally here. Playing just the right genuine sort of goofy energy of the guy who is just trying to have fun in the company and is moving in showing the concern for his friend who is becoming most narrowminded. Thought he brought the right heart with his work and as a contrast of someone who remains nearly a constant, just loses a bit of hope, as we see the company grow.)

Louis Morgan said...

Tony:

Absolutely hilarious and often quite random, and essentially what I would've expected from an Udo Kier interview.

Mitchell Murray said...

So in the spirit of 2009 as a film year, I watched "The Lovely Bones" in it's entirety for the first time. It's...not great. Not great at all. Classic case of how overdirection can sometimes hurt the film, I think. I was particularly annoyed with the lack of drawn out shots and oversaturation in the "in between" sequences, which I know were supposed to look beautiful, but I found distractingly CGI much of the time. Beyond that, the film/direction simply had a wierd tone for the material, as I don't believe the general theme of "good things can come from bad places" honestly works with this story/execution. I'm just not sure what to make of this portayal of a child predator's apprehension, other than I don't think it's an idea that easily translates to screen - certainly not in this fashion.

Ronan - 4 (Deserves a lot of credit for carrying many of the movie's worst sequences. She's the rightful star of the film acting wise, and I feel this is a fine early showing/hint of her talent.)

Wahlberg - 2 (Miscast central, as he looks so lost and holds no dramatic weight here. I'm not saying Ryan Gosling would've been brilliant with this direction, but he might've worked better or had been more suited to this role.)

Tucci - 2.5 (So after knowing about this performance for so long, I have to admit...there's not much of a performance here. There's a few brief moments where there's something, but the film is too choppily edited for Tucci to make much of the character. Also, like Louis says in his review, a lot of the creepiness in Harvey is down to his look, more than the actual acting. Funny enough, my favourite part of this performance is Tucci's own reaction at the oscars, which sort of speaks to the value of his nomination.)

Everyone else - not much to write about.

Mitchell Murray said...

Also, for full disclosure, the fact that I was 3 ryes/cokes in when the film started likely helped me get though it.

And on a bonus note, I can now provide my full ranking of 2009 best supporting actor...which is a forgone conclusion, to be frank.

1) Waltz - 5
2) Harrelson - 4
3) Damon - 3/3.5
4) Plummer - 3/3.5
5) Tucci - 2.5 (Again...Tucci has been working for how many years now, and this is his only nomination? Not exactly a thing to boast about, or his best work for that matter.)

Mitchell Murray said...

ALSO, final note for tonight now that the whiskey's worn off...did anyone see Michael Shannon's recent interview for "Vanity Fair"?

The man's demenour and style of responses comes off like someone you know from a mutual friend/met in a bar, and I mean that in the best way; Salt of the earth, bluntly spoken, but clearly very experienced and grateful for his oppertunities. On that note, him and me apparently have the same thoughts about the cellar scene from "Take Shelter" IE we both think THAT's the big moment of the film and not the fish fry outburst.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: What generally separates performances you save for a review from ones you merely quite like?

Also, your past roles for Michael McKean, Matthew Macfayden, and Sarah Snook?

Anonymous said...

Louis: thoughts on James Hiroyuki Liao on Barry. The

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Have you finished The Great. Thoughts on the Third season and your top 6 performers.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Mitchell: Ofc I don't mean to insult the man, but I've always thought that when it comes to voice, appearance and maybe also screen presence, Shannon is kinda like a feral Bill Hader.

Louis Morgan said...

Tony:

Well if they're likely to be Oscar nominated first of all, or if I think they're great, however also if I think they'll be interesting to write about does factor in. Whether it is an actor I haven't covered before, or it is a different side of their presence/talent I haven't covered before.

Michael McKean:

Arthur Jensen
Porter Hollingsway
Judge Hoyle

Matthew Macfayden:

Frank Hackett
Maxim de Winter
John Claggart

Sarah Snook:

Bridget Gregory
The Girl (Sullivan's Travels)
Bonnie Parker

Anonymous:

Previously gave thoughts him, but talk about an abandoned plotline.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Well yeah, I should've added "other than when you think the actor will be Oscar-nominated".

Your thoughts on these Simpsons episodes?

Lisa's Sax
The Cartridge Family
Trash of the Titans
The Joy of Sect

Michael McCarthy said...

1. Rahim
2. Giamatti
3. Foster
4. Holbrook
5. Taylor-Johnson

Anonymous said...

Louis: Do you have any updated thoughts on the main cast of Succession?

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis: Now I'm not saying he'd definitely deliver 5 star performances, but due to how he seems to be at his best when playing characters who turn out to be superficially tough and stoic , what do you think of Thomas Jane in these roles?

-Tom Powers
-Jacob "Jake" Remy
-Henry Hill
-Pike Bishop
-Malcolm Scrawdyke

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your top 25 brian cox acting moments

Tony Kim said...

1. Stuhlbarg
2. McHattie
3. Darin
4. Song
5. Whishaw

1. Rahim
2. Foster
3. Holbrook
4. Taylor-Johnson
5. Giamatti

Louis: To double-check, are you okay with giving thoughts on clips from recordings of stage musicals?

Also, your thoughts on Elvis Costello's cover of She, from Notting Hill's OST? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O040xuq2FR0

Louis Morgan said...

Tony:

Lisa's Sax - (Some fun to be had in the flashback, though more importantly, I think there is still some heart leftover, that became far more absent later on and we still have some semblance leftover of dumb but kindhearted Homer as opposed to jerk Homer. As the whole Sax element has an actual emotional crux to it, that shows there was still something left that made classic Simpsons special, even if overall I wouldn't say this is a great example of it, it is a good example.)

Joy of Sect - (I think this episode shows really the traits of it going off the rail because of how ridiculous some of the concepts and choices are, like including the escape orb from the Prisoner. Although the series would occasionally go into that kind of absurdist, it was usually within something a bit more grounded in terms of the main story, which wasn't the case here. Having said that, I do enjoy the episode because it is funny, for Homer's initial methods of avoiding brainwashing, then the comedy of everyone being brainwashed, and even the less than stellar finale for the leader.)
The Cartridge Family - (Another episode that isn't great in terms of actually figuring out an arc, particularly with the ending that subverts any potential, however even in that the dramatic element is fairly weak. Otherwise, there are some good gags, always enjoyed Louie's "You could hurt somebody" regarding Homer's carelessness with a gun and some of the other gun club bits, however, overall find it a fairly shaky episode with not enough gags to hold it up.)

Trash of Titans - (Another one where the ending indicates sort of a faltering of the show, where it is too ridiculous for classic Simpsons, and the emotional element is gone. Having said that, the whole ridiculous developments here are actually pretty funny from just the spiraling of Homer refusing to admit fault, and Steve Martin's guest spot is a good one, for his delivery, especially in his final line and debate with Homer which is pretty funny. A messy episode still, but an enjoyable one.)

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Just some final comments:

Macfadyen - (Comparing this to his Mr. Darcy is a particularly great show of range, as they are polar opposites, and even though there is no great trickery, it would be very easy to imagine the two roles played by two different actors. Because Macfadyen simply was this midwesterner seeking to make a name for himself in the corporate world, every smarmy inch of it, that he managed to be horrible as a sycophant and a snake, while also being hilarious as such. He could be the absolute worst, but as such it was fascinating how easily he managed to create a strange sympathy for such a character, by just how honest every emotion he expressed in real every single vulnerability that defined the character.)

Strong - (Everything remains true, but I do think he should stick to good tv roles because it seems to give him time to relax into a role and let the sort of surface choices blend into something deeper.)

Culkin - (His final season was taking his performance to the next level, because in prior seasons he was there largely for the snark, and while there was a whole lot within that snark, particularly the subtle internalized vulnerabilities he conveyed with it, this season showed him take those vulnerabilities to the surface in so many ways. And there Culkin excelled in showing how it created that crumbling ego as he attempted and failed to be CEO. The moments of trying to be the man who was bigger than he ever was and just failing to be cutthroat in the way his dad said was required. Then just oozing the vulnerabilities and grief of a character, who despite still having an extremely complex relationship with that character, showed that he above all was the most driven by that need and want for affection and connection.)

Cox - (His greatest performance in the end, as it just was the display of everything he's got as a performer, and made his impact. And it was a delight to see more realize, what many already knew, in terms of Cox being such a tremendous force as an actor. While often it played with his best-known presence, we essentially got to see every facet of that presence in full force.)

Snook - (I'll just say hopefully she gets some dynamic cinematic parts, as they haven't been from what I've seen past her semi-breakout performance with predestination. But here proved her great ability in emotional range, but also just a captivating striking presence to go along with it.)

Ruck - (I mean really who doesn't like Ruck? And I'm glad that while Connor never became kind of a "main" character, I'm glad the role consistently gave him time to shine, particularly in the early half of this season. Where I'd say Ruck's performance was often about basically making the absolute most out of any limited time of need. In that you needed him for a hilarious quick bit regarding his political passion, you got that, and it was hilarious. But also when you got him as often the most honest character in terms of dealing with his emotional state at times, he was absolutely heartbreaking in his blunt honest scenes. Ruck never made Connor the most put together, rather he showed within the scenes of the man somewhat lying to himself would also be completely true in that was so powerful particularly his moment of his "superpower" and his "he didn't even like me" followed by trying to be the comforting big brother even in his own time of discomfort.)

Anonymous said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast of Fool's Paradise.

8000S said...

Louis: If Kurosawa and Mifune never had that falling out after Red Beard, do you think we get Mifune instead of Nakadai in Kagemusha and Ran?

Also, for a Japanese Kill Bill, what do you think of either Machiko Kyo or Kyoko Kagawa as The Bride?

Calvin Law said...

Watched Showing Up, which I really loved, and it might be my favourite Williams film performance to date.

Matthew Montada said...

Calvin: ratings for the casts of Showing Up, Monica, and The Little Mermaod (2023)

Louis Morgan said...

Ytrewq:

Tom Powers - I can see it as sort of crumbling power.

Jake Remy - Yes actually seems an ideal role for him.

Henry Hill - Don't quite see it as he doesn't quite have the *thing* that makes you buy him as one of the guys so to speak.

Pike - I think that would actually play into his less interesting stylings.

Malcolm Scrawdyke - Certainly would be an interesting choice, maybe.

Tony:

Yes, but within reason.

Anonymous:

Day - 1(His first performance is an atrocious attempt at being broadly funny at just being the insufferable actor, but he's just not funny. It's just a silly voice and some aggressive mugging neither of which are funny. Day's other performance is how not to do a silent performance. In that, you constantly feel the performance and frankly, that performance is as someone who really doesn't know what to do. He looks lost but not as the character but as the actor wondering what to do when he can't say anything. There isn't a genuine sense of innocence, wonderment, or even indifference. He rather seems like an actor trying to figure out some kind of note to hit and just is constantly missing that note in a severely misguided turn.)

Jeong - 1(He basically always overacts, but at least in some instances he's not supposed to be a main character. Well Jeong just overacts here trying to be funny, he's not, making any attempt at some depth seem completely silly at best. He just seems to be the over-the-top presence he usually is.)

Brody - 2.5(He actually is going for something that could've worked and occasionally he gets a moment that is somewhat funny, but too often his insane star performance isn't properly facilitated by his co-star. He is doing his end, but Day consistently leaves him hanging there without the right dynamic to work off of.)

Liotta - 2.5(Not the best rendition of Liotta doing tough guy Liotta, but a decent example of him being crass.)

Beckinsale - 2(She is in the movie.)

Common - 2.5(Although I wouldn't quite say this is a good performance, the bits aren't that funny, he is much more alive here than in any other performance of his that I've seen where he is typically stoic to a fault. With a better script I think this could've been something.)

Howerton - 3(The best part of the film as his quick random bit was the only thing that made me remotely amused albeit just for essentially a minute.)

Malkovich - 3(Doing his Malkovich, though that at least is vaguely entertaining, and makes any impression.)

Sudekis - 2.5(Not a terrible bit but not all that good of one either.)

8000's:

I kind of think Kurosawa's career would've been massively different if he stayed working with Mifune. As it wasn't just that he stopped working with Mifune, his entire trajectory changed. Although it sounds like there were many issues that plagued Kurosawa during the period falling out was definitely one of them, so I think we would've saw different careers for both men if they had stayed together. I do think Mifune, would've probably played both leads, especially in Ran, I think Nakadai likely would've been still cast in both films, like maybe Yamazaki's part instead for Kagemusha, and maybe one of the sons or even the fool in Ran.

...I believe that's known as Lady Snowblood.

Tony Kim said...

Louis - Regarding the Costello song, I was under the impression that you were fine with discussing covers recorded specifically for films, given that you talked about Sarah Polley's "Courage" cover from The Sweet Hereafter: https://actoroscar.blogspot.com/2021/03/alternate-best-supporting-actor-2002.html

Could you clarify what your personal rules are regarding cover songs from films?

Tony Kim said...

Louis - Would a clip of a song from a musical being performed at the Tony Awards be considered "within reason"?

Matt Mustin said...

Tony: If it's written for a film, he'll talk about it, that's basically how it works.

Louis Morgan said...

Tony:

I think I was actually commenting on the wrong song there (in fact one more color), as I'll comment on the use of a song, therefore the cover of a song if it is featured in a scene directly. Though I'd rather talk about the song use rather than the song itself...too much.

My within reason perhaps just means "let's not overdo it".

Matthew Montada said...

Calvin: oh, and also your ratings for the cast of Are You There God It’s Me Margaret?

I loved the hell out of Margaret. Yet another winner from Kelly Fremon Craig

My Cast Ratings:
Abby Ryder Forston - 4.5
Rachel McAdams - 5
Elle Graham - 4
Benny Safdie - 4
Kathy Bates - 4
Echo Kellum - 3.5
Isol Young - 3
Amari Alexis Price - 3.5
Katherine Kupferer - 3.5


I also watched Showing Up today as well. Really good stuff.
Michelle Williams - 4/4.5
Hong Chau - 4.5
Maryann Plunkett - 3.5
John Magaro - 3.5
Andre Benjamin - 3
Judd Hirsch - 3.5/4

Also, Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse is my favorite movie of the year so far.
Letterboxd review: https://boxd.it/4kue1p

Shameik Moore - 4/4.5
Hailee Steinfeld - 4.5
Brian Tyree Henry - 3.5
Luna Lauren Vélez - 4
Jake Johnson - 3.5/4
Jason Schwartzman - 4 (found his work to be extremely effective even with the limited amount of material he worked with)
Issa Rae - 3
Karan Soni - 3
Shea Whigham - 3.5
Daniel Kaluuya - 3.5
Oscar Isaac - 4

Tony Kim said...

Louis - Not sure what you're referring to by "one more color", but I otherwise accept your clarifications.

What are your thoughts on these Simpsons episodes:

Homer Simpson in Kidney Trouble
Saddlesore Galactica
Alone Again Natura-Diddly
Kill the Alligator and Run


Matt Mustin said...

Tony: Kill the Alligator and Run is one of the worst episodes of the whole show.

Robert MacFarlane said...

I actually think Saddlesore Galactica gets too much hate.

Calvin Law said...

Matthew:

Showing Up
Williams - 5
Chau - 4.5
Plunkett - 4
Magaro - 4
Benjamin - 3.5
Hirsch - 4

Monica
Lysette - 4.5
Clarkson - 3.5
Browning - 3
Barraza - 4
Close - 3

The Little Mermaid
Bailey - 4
Hauer-King - 3.5
McCarthy - 3
Alexander - 3
Bardem - 2
Dumezweni - 3
Malik - 2.5
Diggs - 3
Tremblay - 2.5
Awkwafina - 2.5

Are You There God? It's Me Margaret
Fortson - 4.5
McAdams - 5
Graham - 4
Safdie - 3.5
Bates - 4
Kellum - 3.5
Young - 3.5
Price - 3.5
Kupferer - 3.5

Matt Mustin said...

Robert: Me too, but I understand why it does.

Bryan L. said...

Louis: What are some roles that you would've liked to see Joe Pesci in if he had worked at a similar pace in the 2000s & 2010s as he had in the '90s?

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your updated ranking of HBO original shows? Your old ranking is in the 1980 Lead Actor bonus round results.

8000S said...

Louis: Considering Stray Dog was basically a crime thriller set in Tokyo during hot summer days, what do you think of Kurosawa doing a crime thriller in Hokkaido during a cold winter?

Louis Morgan said...

Tony:

It's the name of the song she sings in an actual scene.

Homer Simpson in Kidney Trouble - (Eh once again one that alludes to the change in Homer's character for the worse. Worse though is the bits just aren't that funny that around it. There's the occasional one that works, but limited overall.)

Saddlesore Galactica - (It is the jump the shark show in terms of a few ways. One is the constant shifting in the story, with no natural sense of cohesion in it whatsoever. The inclusion of Jockey Land is truly going beyond any sense of reality, and not for a quick gag but a substantial plot point. This episode is every indication of why the show went downhill in terms of the complete lack of care in the storytelling. Having said that, some of the bits are funny, like the Comicbook guy's "well actually" but in terms of what it meant for the show...it was not good.)

Alone Again Natura-ddily - (Honestly the only thing I remember about the episode is the death of Maude, which was done for petty reasons, which doesn't really speak well to it. As again it is indicative of the messy storytelling where the links are haphazard at best going from a random racetrack to a character death.)

Kill the Alligator and Run - (I do think the Robert Evans interview joke is hilarious, otherwise than that feels like a show trying to be hip during the spring break section which comes off quite badly. Then it again gets completely messy with the whole prison/fugitive storyline that isn't particularly funny though certainly is extremely messy.)

Anonymous:

1. Reacting to Barry's "success"
2. Freaking out at her assistant
3. At her new job
4. Recreation of the attack
5. Acting attack on Barry
6. Telling her son the truth
7. Being berated by Barry
8. At home with her parents
9. Reacting to Barry's "helpful" plan
10. Self-defense

Bryan:

Not necessarily replacements but roles I think he could've been great in.

Costello, Queenan or French - The Departed
Charles Hanson - Before the Devil Knows You're Dead
Paddy Conlon - Warrior
Patrizio Solitano Sr. - Silver Linings Playbook
Terrence Fletcher - Whiplash
Matt Fowler - In the Bedroom
Bernie Rose - Drive
Hans - Seven Psychopaths

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

1. Succession
2. Chernobyl
3. John Adams
4. The Sopranos
5. Watchmen
6. Band of Brothers
7. Elizabeth I
8. The Night Of
9. Mare of Easttown
10. Silicon Valley
11. Flight of the Conchords
12. Curb Your Enthusiasm
13. Extras
14. Barry
15. True Detective
16. Show Me A Hero
17. Deadwood
18. Game of Thrones
19. Westworld
20. Olive Kitteridge
21. The Outsider
22. McMillions

If Barry had ended with season 3 it would've been much higher. And again no incomplete series hence no Tokyo Vice, Winning Time and House of the Dragon.

8000's:

I mean Kurosawa + Weather + Detective story is an automatic yes.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Did you finish Deadwood then.