Thursday 11 May 2023

Alternate Best Supporting Actor 1961: Alan Bates in Whistle Down the Wind

Alan Bates did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying Arthur Blakely aka the man in Whistle Down the Wind. 

Whistle Down the Wind, which would make a good double feature with The Secret of the Beehive, is an effective mood piece about a group of children who discover a stranger hiding in their barn who they mistake for Jesus. 

This is a performance as good as any to examine the idea of screen presence and how much it matters to the way an actor can connect with an audience or not. The reason being the role of Arthur Blakely, though really the man is a better descriptor in so many ways, is a fairly limited one. In truth, the character has a scant few lines early on as the children discovered the man a bit disheveled and often rather silent as they presume him to be sent by a divine hand. The story is not about the manipulation of children but rather the perspective of them, because the man doesn't guide this delusion, he rather just doesn't correct it in order to maintain his hiding spot. While the part is limited, the character though does stand out, and not just because of the mistaken interpretations of the man by the children. Rather it is the charismatic Bates who does so, and fascinating as it is, he doesn't appear to be doing a great deal. In terms of the more direct acting, Bates's expression conveys initially the fear and desperation of a probable criminal hiding. That is in simple terms, but there is something about his steely eyes, his intensity that makes him all the more fascinating. It is the quality though that seems innate, but also is without question an essential facet to a performer. As this captivating quality of the work exists via Bates's striking screen presence, just his being on screen carries something with it, and Bates wields that here, not overtly but unquestionably so all the same. Put an actor without such presence, the man is a non-entity, or overtly creepy but with Bates he makes him fascinating even though there is nothing technically that the character does to make him so. 

Bates's presence therefore is particularly key to this film because the children fashion him as Christ without much insistence from anyone, certainly not from the man himself, however, Bates the performer allows it because of the magnetism of his presence as a performer. As the man becomes more verbal, he still just doesn't dissuade but rather just allows, as Bates's expression always carries with it the sense that the man is touched confused, and delivers any lines that might support the theory of the children with a kind of gentle patronizing. Bates doesn't make the man into the Christ, nor does he make him a true villain exploiting the naivety. That exploitation he always depicts as the man still in this sad state of desperation that never completely leaves him. Bates shows a man always filled with a certain somberness that perhaps alludes to his crime or his condition, but the man remains a bit of an enigma throughout. Even when the desperation increases, Bates carries himself still firmly as a man just stuck within his own suffering and his own existence, with the children being largely a distraction with maybe just a hint of solace via Bates's always gentle manner with them. As the film concludes we don't really know much more about the man than when we started, mostly we could've guessed as much, and even as such we learn any truth from a poster, not from the character who leaves his words limited. Regardless he remains a fascinating character largely because Bates himself is a bit innately fascinating, particularly young Bates, and as a performer captures your attention, even though, much like the children's faith, your attention is awarded with any answers, but regardless he still seemed deserving of such attention. 

33 comments:

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the rest of the cast.

Anonymous said...

I do always wonder why Alan Bates never really gets talked about in particularly high regard, especially since I always think he had a unique look that would make him stand out even more.

Louis Morgan said...

Complete side note must say it's quite frustrating the critically derided Fool's Paradise is playing near me, but the critically lauded BlackBerry is not. Let's just say that I am untethered and my rage knows no bounds!!!!!!

Luke:

Mills - 4.5(Like her other performance from 61 it plays with innocence however very differently, although the film's are tonally very different they do both show that Mills has an innately innocent presence that just doesn't seem right to interfere with, looking at you Chalk Garden. Here she delivers that quality in a way that is particularly fascinating through the complexity she is able to find in innocence here. Her performance is actually wonderfully measured in the sort portrayal of this fascination with her interpretation, and she manages to make the delusion tangible within her performance as this sort of need for some kind of reassurance while also seeming kind of adrift at the same time. Her performance I think is terrific here in terms of creating kind of the struggle of the children who are just sort of on their own, while also maintaining the child as the innocent. A juxtaposition that just feels natural within her work.)

Lee - 3.5(Mostly seems the disinterested father, and does that well in his Lee as the uncaring sort kind of way. He's good though in the late scenes in showing a different side of the man snap into action when he's called upon to care quite directly.)

Anonymous:

I think two main reasons. One being, while he's definitely in some good films, he's not in any widely regarded classics by general audiences. Adding to that, what are probably his two most known films, Zorba the Greek and Gosford Park, the former is far more known for Quinn and Kedrova and the latter he's just one part of a very large ensemble. The films where he is the standout, tend to be fairly obscure in a general sense.

The other, I think he was obscured a bit by his later work, where having seen many of his performances his late career work, while typically not bad, are far less interesting than his earlier performances.

Tony Kim said...

If it's not too late I'll revise my predictions:

1. Stephens
2. Ganjiro
3. Melvin
4. Bates
5. McKern

Louis - Your thoughts on this interview clip with Bill Hader: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHCxpN4y0cA

Also, your past roles for Rachel McAdams and Elizabeth Debicki?

Matt Mustin said...

Not everything in GOTG vol 3 works but so much of it does I can safely say I loved it, and I was a little bit worried considering I pretty much hated vol. 2.

Pratt-4(He starts on a sour note with his first scene, which is not very good, but after that he settled in again and delivered completely on everything required. I was most surprised by his dramatic moments, which I thought he handled very poorly in vol. 2 and Infinity War, but here he nailed them.)

Saldana-4

Cooper-4

Gillan-4

Bautista-4(His comic timing is still ridiculously on point, and I LOVED his softer, gentler moments.)

Klementieff-4

Poulter-3.5

Gunn-3

Iwuji-4

Cardellini-4

Debicki-3

Fillion-3

Bakalova-3





Calvin Law said...

Giving it some thought I'm gonna bump up Iwuji to a 4 as well. Really admired how he just went all in on the despicable god complex of the HE.

Anonymous said...

Tony: The last time you can switch predictions is before the second reviewed performance.

Tony Kim said...

Anonymous: Okay, disregard.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

RIP the predictions

Houndtang said...

I think Alan Bates is better known in the UK where he did quite a lot of acclaimed TV stuff like An Englishman Abroad and A Voyage Round My Father. Also was very successful on stage in plays by Pinter, Osborne, Simon Gray. Good actor, except in George Girl - although was the character meant to be that disagreeable?

RatedRStar said...

I feel like everyone in Georgy Girl was supposed to be disagreeable except Georgy herself.

8000S said...

Louis: Thoughts on this interview with Satoshi Kon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsVqAq-guhc

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Have you given your thoughts on the ending of No Country for Old Men anywhere?

Matt Mustin said...

Calvin: I'm curious which "fake outs" you're referring to in GOTG vol. 3

Calvin Law said...

Matt: the instances where certain characters seem to be faced with death only for everything to turn out okay, but honestly it's beyond a nitpick and I'd go so far as to say that on rewatch, they all have a purpose, it's just maybe not my favourite type of storytelling.

Calvin Law said...

Louis: thoughts on the score and cinematography of Mishima? Watching it today in the cinema I really found myself admiring it all the more. Also, Mishima's address to the crowds of soldiers might be one of the best Schrader scenes.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Inside is a pretty simple movie at its core, it is in a way just an apartment version of Buried and it could've been 20 minutes shorter, yet it worked for me, mainly thanks to the direction and a strong one man (sort of) show of Willem Dafoe. Not too shabby for a directing debut of Vasilis Katsoupis.

Dafoe-4.5
Bervoets-2.5

Bryan L. said...

Louis: Your cast & director for…

1950s Babylon
1990s Nope
1950s Living

Mitchell Murray said...

Well, I finally got around to "The Whale"...and it was quite flawed. Unlike "Blonde" which pissed me off in many of it's core ideas, this film has "kind of/questionably" good intentions corrupted by bad execution. To hear the cast and crew talk about the movie, you'd assume they have their heart in the right place. The final product, though, is just very calculated and overwrought in it's technical aspects. Unconvincing characters, unconvincing dialogue, less than interesting directorial choices. Even the way certain sequences flow, you can tell everything has been staged or pre-planned in some way, as opposed to real people having natural conversations. This is all to say I wasn't won over in the film's attempted pathos, and it left me rather puzzled/cold by how many scenes came across.

All that being said...Fraser and Chau are very good. I more or less agree with everyone here, in that the latter basically comes out unscathed, and Fraser - minus the binge scene - commits himself admirably.

Louis Morgan said...

Tony:

I'll admit that interview doesn't fill me with immense confidence, but we'll still see. As it is surprising that the idea of disorientation wasn't at all considered, when I don't see how one wouldn't see how that would play out as such.

The ending is the resignation of the "old man" in two ways, and I think is particularly powerful acting from Tommy Lee Jones (who is perhaps tailor made for such monologues), one being we have the man retired who will never "solve" the central evil he experienced in the film and now is just living his days talking about dreams. The dream itself resignation, a resignation now to not the past, but the dream of his father as comfort. An ending I will say on first watch cuts many off guard, but on subsequent watches, the real strength of the moment becomes evident in Bell's journey that goes from holding onto the past as some "better time" but comes to learn that it was never the case, instead needing to hold onto the idea of death itself as the only relief in the form of his father's protection. Which interestingly one can take, depending on one's own belief, as deeply unsettling or the only bit of hope in the film.

McAdams:

Patricia Martin (Saboteur)
Erica Stone (Teacher's Pet)
Sonja (Love and Death)

Debicki:

Brigid O'Shaughnessy
Lisa Carol Fremont
Lady Bellaston (Tom Jones)

8000's:

I mean unsurprisingly has a fairly reserved manner about his work, and a bit of a directness in his discussion of the ideas of the piece. I think in the interview you might see why David Lynch always foregoes discussion of symbolism or meaning, as discussion can become a bit tedious and it is a bit better just to leave it to one's own interpretation, which tends to always be the most powerful.

Calvin:

I mean visually it is unquestionably Schrader's greatest achievement, as there is a level of ambition there that is unparalleled, and you might not guess he directed based on how specific it is in that sense, love or hate his other films, the visuals aren't typically the focus outside of specific moments. The cinematography, but also the production design in tandem are absolutely striking in crafting these worlds within the world of Mishima's mind. The lighting and composition are so exactly specific as these kinds of dioramas of the mind, filled with vibrancy in the lighting and colors of each scene, but I think what is the greatest achievement of the lighting is it achieves a balance between fake and real. They are sets and such, but they also feel like something more, which is remarkable. That is of course not also remembering the "real" scenes, which are shot effectively as contrasting by being well shot but not accentuated in the same way except for the brilliant final shot, which is an incredibly powerful use of the Dolly Zoom.

Regarding the score, I mean listening to a few pieces from it right now more than a bit tempted to move it up from my runner-up to the win, because it is so rich of a score, and while Glass's overtness doesn't always work for me, here it is absolutely pitch perfect for the material and is completely befitting the state of a man's mind who is seemingly attempting to consider everything in his existence and world all at once. And while he doesn't list Glass as an influence I can't help but feel this score heavily influenced Alexandre Desplat's work. The score is such a brilliant blend though between this sort of intense punctuation in the constant momentum of the pieces, but with always an elegance that is both thrilling and potently somber. The mixing of instrumentation, particularly some of the electronic, almost seems like they should break the work, but instead, it takes it to all the greater distinction.

Louis Morgan said...

Bryan:

Babylon 1950's directed by Alexander Mackendrick:

Jack Conrad: Clark Gable
Nellie LeRoy: Carroll Baker
Manny Torres: Jaime Fernandez
Elinor St. John: Billie Burke
Sidney Palmer: Ossie Davis
Lady Fay Zhu: Tsai Chin
Ruth Adler: Ida Lupino
Max: William Bendix
George Munn: Elisha Cook Jr.
The Count: John McGiver
James McKay: Sterling Holloway

Nope 1990's directed by the Hughes Brothers:

OJ: Laurence Fishburne
Em: Halle Berry
Ricky Park: Steve Park
Antlers Holst: Harry Dean Stanton
Angel Torres: Lou Diamond Phillips

1950's Living directed by Anthony Asquith:

Mr. Rodney Williams: Edmund Gwenn
Miss Harris: Jean Simmons
Mr. Wakeling: George Cole
The Novelist: Denholm Elliott

Matt Mustin said...

Louis: Are you ready to give your thoughts on the Guardians vol. 3 cast?

Tony Kim said...

Solid episode of Barry tonight. The climactic Sally sequence is what most people will be lauding, but my favourite scene was the department store bit - honestly one of the best jokes they've ever done. Simple, short, effective.

For people who've seen GOTG 3 - does Debicki get much to do in it?

Matt Mustin said...

Tony: Not really.

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on these interviews with Masaki Kobayashi and Tatsuya Nakadai.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL3R_K7X3k0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUKjJpM9Fgo

Calvin Law said...

Masterful Succession episode, brutally horrifying in every moment of it unfolding and really just unleashing and putting into perspective the poitical evils that has been sown across the past two seasons. Can't really decide on an MVP as a I thought Strong, Culkin, Snook and Macfadyen were all amazing in different ways, and I thought the Willa/Connor, Jess/Greg and Rava/Sophie scenes provided a particularly hard hitting perspective of just how far things have sunken.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Have you watched Season 3 of The Great.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Great Succession that served as quite the abrupt reminder of the reality most of the characters live in, and the horrifying way they influence and are influenced by that.
Everyone was amazing, although I probably would say Culkin MVP for showing Roman at his worst... so far. Also thought Braun was the best he's been in quite some time, that final shrug/reaction was great.

Also quite liked Barry, masterfully directed by Hader in terms of suspense and comedy. Thought the Bill Burr podcast bit was quite clever, and Fuches/Hank delivered as expected. All that said, Goldberg easy MVP.

Shaggy Rogers said...

Hey Louis and guys.
Tomorrow will start the Cannes Film Festival, so let's make our predictions in the dark as to who the winners will be.

Palme d'Or: Four Daughters
Best Director: Jonathan Glazer - The Zone of Interest
Best Actor: TJ Ballantyne - The Old Oak
Best Actress:: Sandra Hüller - Anatomy of a Fall
Best Screenplay: Monster

Bryan L. said...

Soooooo…did anyone else get Better Call Saul vibes with how & where Hader took a certain character into in the latest episode? He has mentioned Breaking Bad as an influence, and did also spent some time learning from the BCS writing staff.

Louis Morgan said...

Matt:

Pratt - (Gunn just seems to bring the best out of him regardless, as there are plenty of times I don't like him, but here I think he was pitch-perfect within the tone. In that, he's very funny again playing the sometimes hapless determination of Starlord but here with a lot more emotional desperation and need than usual. In his scenes regarding his need to save Rocket, I thought he absolutely delivered with the emotional intensity in perhaps ways he struggled more so with Infinity War for example.)

Saldana - (I think it is fair to say that she doesn't exactly play the part as Gamora was even in the earliest scenes of Guardians one, having said that I really thought she was very good at playing this coarser route for the character. Successfully developing her own personality rather effectively and making her distinct and dynamic in a way that was rather effective.)

Bautista - (There is a big part of me that wishes we could go back to the Drax of the first film, who was accidentally comedic yet still genuinely serious in a lot of ways. Having said that, even as the goofball Drax I did think he was hilarious here frequently so I guess it still works out, and combine that with his moments of being the softee "dad" where he brought just so much warmth to it.)

Gillan - (Continuing her tour of most improved performance/character once again, and I think very much going with what she did effectively in Endgame, however doing it so once again. This is just kind of struggling with her colder self that is in fact just filled with so much need for connection and balancing that effectively with the funny moments of playing with that coldness. While also finding some genuine emotion in showing her gaining that connection in a way that continues the redemption of the character in more ways than one.)

Cooper - (Although his young voice is very much kind of kiddy in the purest sense, it totally works. As does just the emotions he brings through his vocal performance where you get so much of a sense of the pain the character is going through and also the warmth in the connection he finds as well.)

Cardellini - (I'd say a much better use of her than anything involving her live-action performance. As she certainly registers the hopeful optimism of the character with every line delivery that is filled with so much heartbreaking tenderness. It is just lovely to work that I think perfectly walks the tightrope between maudlin and heartfelt.)

Poulter - (Enjoyed his cloddish performance though with a bit of extra regalness that made his dumbness that much more comical.)

Debicki - (Probably one of the most wasted performers in the MCU, she's fine but also just wasted.)

Gunn, Bakalova, Fillon - (All enjoyable in their bits.)

Iwuji - (I'll concur with Calvin on the raise in his score, as his scene of trying to deal with Rocket's insight, is frankly one of the best-acted scenes of the MCU because Iwuji brings so much of this attempted controlled desperation of someone who struggles with his whole worldview being shattered by this idea that he can't explain. The rest of his performance he makes for a properly hateable villain, and brings the right pompous sense of superiority, but also the right insanity just brimming underneath it all.)

Louis Morgan said...

Succession was outstanding. Just incredible how it kept heightening the tension every step of the way, and managed to be directly political despite never feeling didactic about it while also technically being fictional. Loved how it managed to play the points of Shiv and Roman against each other in each development, with Kendall as the neutral needing to be convinced. Then just great was every player in-between with Tom going off the rails to this kind of killing machine, Greg playing more than a few cards (I LOVED Braun's little expression towards Shiv after telling Kendall), and of course some hilarity from Ruck as Connor made the moves he could. Amazing work on all fronts, and acting wise, maybe leaning Snook but everyone was once again great.

I honestly don't know how I feel about Barry once again, though the Bill Burr cameo was hilarious, and certainly is well directed, I just don't know if I'm going to be convinced by the overall choice until I see the denouement. As comparing it to Succession, where the big swing this season, I instantly saw the brilliance of the choice, this one, I'm still not sure about.

Luke:

Was not aware it was out, so I'll start checking it out.

Bryan:

Maybe a little too much, even if I'm sure accidentally in terms of how production schedules would've worked out. And I don't know, with Kim it was something of reaping what she sewed, albeit not entirely her fault, Sally's at the moment does feel a bit too cruel. Perhaps in this instance I'm just being softhearted or maybe Goldberg is too good in a way, but either way, I'm still not sure.

Tony Kim said...

Matt: Oh, pity.

Bryan: I see where you're coming from, though I like how Hader is willing to lean even more into the darkness. Kim was, at least in some ways, in a better state than she was in previously. However, both her and Sally seem to view their current conditions as self-punishment of a sort.

Louis: Haven't seen the specific films you mentioned for McAdams, though she's certainly a similar type to both Day and Keaton. Debicki as Lisa is dead-on, I could see her in a lot of Grace Kelly roles.

Regarding imaginary recastings, which method do you use more - thinking of which actors are similar, or thinking of roles that are similar to ones they've played? Do you also ever mentally recast certain roles when watching a movie?