Jason Robards did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying the titular character of the Ballad of Cable Hogue.
The Ballad of Cable Hogue is a wonderful little western (even if it has early 70's song syndrome) about a drifter who finds a beneficial watering hole after having been marooned in the desert.
"Cable Hogue" as a film is probably the least Sam Peckinpah movie out of all his film, while also definitely being one of his films. This is as it lacks the extreme violent found in most of his films, there's a little bit of violence but depicted in more of in a classic style western kind of way. It does though have the off-beat energy of his films, though realized in a very different fashion. This being perhaps best realized by the lead performance of Jason Robards as Cable Hogue. Robards actually is an actor who probably doesn't immediately scream western, but of course one of the all time great western supporting turns in Once Upon a Time in the West. A film that this one relates to in a few ways I think, and more than the obvious Robards connection. I guess it is always interesting to see how an actor's presence can change, or the actor can change their presence in a short amount of time. This as Robards is playing a western type here and as he did as Cheyenne in the aforementioned film. The thing is the character's while both very much idiosyncratic, are extremely different in the hands of Robards. This in the earlier film, while actually only being two years earlier, Robards projected a more youthful slick style in the bandit leader of that film. In this film though Robards projects that of a somewhat bitten down old prospector type, closer to Walter Huston in The Treasure of the Sierra Madre. This isn't of course something you need to think about, Robards simply is both character's. Here from the opening scene where he is left marooned in the desert by two companions, who get the better of him because he hesitates to shoot them.
This opening scene is beautifully used by Robards to wholly establish Cable Hogue. This from just his manner with a Gila monster. This where Robards emphasizes really a tenderness in recognizing the old lizard while recognizing he's going to need to kill him for food. This before being robbed of his only water from the two other men. Robards even in this reaction though portrays really what is a kind of underlying decent nature of Cable that helps to define his performance. This with an earnest honesty in his eyes where he might as well say "come on fellas". This in projecting Cable trying not to go towards the lower act if he can avoid it. Unfortunately this leaves Cable to try to map the desert all by himself in a search for survival. Robards brings so much life, even in this life and death situation. This as Robards just has an abundance of real sense of character in his manner of a man who in a way just goes with what he has, and carries with it a dogged, if still casual demeanor. This as we watch him tread along with a certain exasperation of an older man but also the conviction of one whose found his ways to outlast more than a few trials. Robards's work creates an innate of empathy of this sort of seasoned protagonist, where there is so much life just in his very being due to his performance. This being particularly essential in that so much of the film is centered around us just watching Robards as Cable kind of do his thing. The main plot point actually being another relation to Once Upon a Time in the West as we kind of get the story of the specific land claim in a seemingly desolate area, but here we actually see the progress of this endeavor.
Robards is great in portraying the man discovering it, naturally even taking in the muddy water he finds as some sort of nectar of the gods. Robards then though is so great here in portraying this remarkable character just in the rather sloppy way we see him set up his business with a makeshift sign. Robards captures a unique energy this as he's both earnest in this while also presenting the very almost bumbling manner of Cable, who is always doing this in his own particular way. It is this style of personality that Robards crafts so vividly in his work that it is just so enjoyable to watch him. The film isn't exactly comedy, in some ways it's kind of a precursor to a Jim Jarmusch style film, therefore where it lives most is in the way the performances bring to life this unique quality. Well Robards does it brilliantly here but not simply, which is particularly important. This as when we get Cable's first "costumer", who tries to kill Hogue rather than pay for water, leaves Hogue to kill the man. Robards is great in the scene portraying no joy in the act rather the certain shame of it, though with also the sense of having been a necessity in the moment. We then follow Cable going to set up his well as business which includes making sure he gets the land claim, after being tipped off by a wholly unscrupulous preacher Joshua (David Warner). Robards's performance very much is the film as he makes the act of getting all the paperwork, while also getting distracted by a local prostitute Hildy (Stella Stevens), compelling through his performance. This as Robards brings so much to every moment of frustration, disbelief at the process but also joy at his success. Also a hilarious bit of wandering eye as he gets a fixation for Hildy.
The relationship with Hildy which ends up being the center of the film, and again another Once Upon a Time in The West connection. This as we kind of get to see what might've happened if Cheyenne had stayed with Mrs. McBain. Robards is an typical but terrific romantic lead in his own way. This as Robards brings such a playfulness with Stevens that has this overabundance of warmth within the relationship. This striking up this peculiar but wholly winning chemistry between the two. This as Robards offers a sense of sincerity even within the sort of still very Cablelike behavior of being both kind confident and lacking confidence all the same. The two though create such a wonderful pair as there is such a strong sense of love even the certain difficulty has Hildy wants to move from the west, where Cable insists on staying with it in his watering hole that has become basically a pit stop. This staying till the point Hildy leaves him and the two men who marooned him come back in a most unusual showdown. Again it is what is so splendid about Robards's work here. This as again we have the sense of determination in his eyes, but still this demeanor that makes it all so very casual in Robards's hands. It is absolutely great as he brings the intensity in the serious moment of dealing with one who tries to kill him, then he's rather funny in naturally seguing to a rather gregarious manner towards the surviving member. Robards is great in showing it as the wild go with the flow western manner, that is a little messy but gets the job done in his own way. Of course, Spoilers, yet another connection to the Leone film, like Cheyenne, Cable ends up being too symbolic of the west having to go out with it in a rather unexpected way. Of course he befitting the jovial Cable, his exit is hilarious in its casual quality, while being oddly moving all the same. Robards again pulls off both by showing again this sort of "just living his life" manner after an accident leaves him dying, but is moving all the same by showing the man so true to his nature to the very end. This is fantastic performance and really companion work to his portrayal of Cheyenne. Of course the performances themselves are extremely dissimilar in the end, but they are similar as they are both brilliant portrayals of rather different men of the west.
176 comments:
Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast.
R.I.P. David John Moore Cornwell, better known by his pen name, John le Carre
RIP John Le Carré
Michael: Your thoughts on Richard Harris in The Molly Maguires.
Louis: Your top 20 geoffrey rush acting moments
Anyone else love how the ending for this film is also a great contrast to the epic shootout from The Wild Bunch?
Curious to what your rating for him in Julius Caesar will be from the same year, given Ebert spent half his review trashing him.
R. I. P- John Le Carre
Louis: Thoughts on the voice of Thurl Ravenscroft.
Can't WAIT for Warner's win-I mean uhhh Warner's review.
Luke: It might be my favorite performance of his, it honestly surprises me that more of y'all aren't warming up to it.
Robert: I can say for a fact Ebert's comments were 100% fair in that regard.
I really want that Harris review to come next tbh.
Rest in peace, John Le Carre. May your novels be remembered both in print - and hopefully - in film.
Also, I'll repost the link Tahmeed looked at earlier, in case anyone else is interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHBDJIbL-14
I consider it to be a very well done piece in terms of animation, music and voice acting, as well as just an interesting fight and match up overall.
RIP John Le Carré
Apparently Jason Robards was ill when he did Julius Caesar, a tiny excuse perhaps which contributed to his cue card performance.
RatedRStar: I haven't seen his performance, but there really is no excuse for phoning it in.
Also, looking at 1970, that was a really solid year for Richard Harris.
Matt: I also hope that Harris wins the overall
Luke:
Stevens - 4(More than anything just excels through her chemistry with Robards. She though does go further than that. This opening with an innate vivaciousness but segueing naturally towards more. This in creating the complexity of the relationship between the two that is both loving and difficult. This in granting sense of showing a slowly growing depth within her own affections towards actually being rather moving in her final reactions, showing her real care for cable in the end.)
Martin & Jones - 3.5/2.5(Jones is forgettable compared to the former. The former who is a hoot in just being so properly despicable as he usually is. This in being both just as slimy as possible while also being oh so pathetic. Particularly enjoy his overly earnest work at the end as the ever grateful man.)
All the bit players are good in their small moments.
Anonymous:
1. Full breakdown - The Life and Death of Peter Sellers
2. Lionel's qualifications - The King's Speech
3. Initial Audition - The Life and Death of Peter Sellers
4. Killing de Guise - Elizabeth
5. Richard audition - The King's Speech
6. I feel...old - Pirates of the Caribbean
7. Dr. Strangelove improv - The Life and Death of Peter Sellers
8. Prodding the king - The King's Speech
9. Admonishing Thomas - Elizabeth
10. Being There - The Life and Death of Peter Sellers
11. Prepping for the final speech - The King's Speech
12. As his mother - The Life and Death of Peter Sellers
13. Thwarted Assassin - Elizabeth
14. Exit - Les Miserables
15. Ghost Story - Pirates of the Caribbean
16. Initial Consultation - The King's Speech
17. "I kill my own men" - Mystery Men
18. Visited by his father - Shine
19. Blake Edwards - The Life and Death of Peter Sellers
20. End of Recital - Shine
Anonymous:
It'ssssssssssssssssss greeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat! (Sorry couldn't resist.)
Robert:
Robards plays Brutus as though he's a foreign actor who doesn't understand English, who has learned his lines phonetically, without researching their meaning, and has no idea what's going on around him so just furrows his brow at all times to feign understanding.
Louis: Your ranking of the 1985 Oscar-nominated lead & supporting actresses
Louis: So is that a 1?
Louis: What do you think of David Bradley as Ebenezer Scrooge.
Louis, your thought on the sunny episode 'Franks little beautiues'.
maybe it was a typo, but Rush said: "I fell ... cold" not old
Anonymous:
One year where I actually didn't do the full nominee re-watch:
Actress:
1. Geraldine Page - The Trip to Bountiful
2. Whoopi Goldberg - The Color Purple
3. Meryl Streep - Out of Africa
Supporting Actress:
1. Angelica Huston - Prizzi's Honor
2. Margret Avery - The Color Purple
3. Oprah Winfrey - The Color Purple
Robert:
Yeah, I'd say so.
John Smith:
A hilarious episode for Frank doing everything he can to avoid being creepy and being extra creepy at every turn. I especially enjoy basically his Penguin reprise at the end of the episode. The rest of the gang's gungho attitude is also great.
Luke:
Well we all know he can do curmudgeon, based well almost everything he's done, based on Another Year, he can do Pathos, and oddly enough The World's End, he can do his own kind of enthusiastic joy. So well cast.
Tim:
Well after watching the clip, I just realized I've somehow been mishearing the scene every time, though to be fair I've seen the film three times. Although I think the misheard version is better, thought it had a more somber quality to it.
Louis, If you have no intention to watch Mission Impossible II, could I have your thoughts on 'Injection'.
Anonymous: That was the only element of that film I really liked, I first heard it when BBC used it for the intro of a Rugby Union tournament that they're broadcasting.
I know everyone has been feeling Superhero movie fatigue as of late but what would be your most anticipated film from the genre.
Anonymous: Thor: Love And Thunder/The Batman are joint #1 though I'm still excited enough for Dr. Strange 2 and the Spider-Man sequel (I hope some of the recent rumours do come to fruition). Eternals is one of those GOTG-esque films where you kind of expect it to fail but could be a major surprise.
Anonymous: There are certainly characters that deserve a great film about them, I think. I would most definitely down for a movie about Black Canary or Booster Gold, as there's a good deal that could be mined from their personalities and experiences.
As for superheroes that warrant another shot on the big screen...personally, I think they should give Green Lantern and Ghost Rider another try, hopefully by learning from each of those respective flops.
Edit: I realize the question was about upcoming films, but hopefully the one's I mentioned will be among those soon.
Luke, aside from The Batman, anything else from DC's schedule that might interest you.
Anonymous: Perhaps The Flash, but only really to see Keaton as Batman again. It'll be nice to see Affleck back as well.
Louis: Your thoughts on this clip https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G4JuopziR3Q
Having seen this now, very much agree with this review.
Random question: Has anyone here seen the Cartoon Network series "Ben 10"? I've never had much interest in the show before, but my curiosity has recently spiked and now I'm thinking of giving it a try.
Mitchell: That one was too kiddie for me back when I was like 14. I wouldn’t recommend it.
how would everyone rank the 1999 supporting actress race?
I think Jolie was properly manecing but in the end still didn't really knock me off of my feet.
Collette i found really really good all through, with great chemistry with Osment and a fantastic final scene.
I loved Keener and think she managed to play every aspect and every change in her character pretty much perfectly for me.
Morton was not really given much to do besides smiling, ehich she does.
As i have seen many seem to really like Sevigny. I have only seen it once and may need a rewatch, but as i saw she played the role properly, but not really beyond that. (I don't want to really watch it again. It is not fun ...)
1) Catherine Keener (5)
2) Toni Colletee (4.5)
3) Angelina Jolie (3.5)
4) Chloe Sevigny (3)
5) Samantha Morton (2.5)
I'd go,
1. Jolie (4.5)
2. Collette (4.5)
3. Sevigny (4.5)
4. Morton (3)
5. Keener (3)
Louis: would any moments from the movie Lantana (2001) be in your top 20 for Rush since you gave him a 4 for that movie?
Robert: Perhaps this is a silly question, but what do you mean exactly when you say it was "kiddie"? After all, there are plenty of shows targeted for young audiences that can still be enjoyed by an older crowd.
As for 1999 supporting actress...I have yet to see Sevigny or Morton, but my ranking of the other three would be as followed:
1) Collette (4)
2) Jolie (3.5/4)
3) Keener (3.5)
I like them all to a degree, though not to the same level as their most ardent supporters.
Mitchell: I enjoyed Ben 10 when I was younger, but I don't now, if that makes sense.
There are plenty of great Cartoon Network shows which I still love watching now, though, like Courage the Cowardly Dog (an all-time favourite) and Codename: Kids Next Door.
Tim: It's been long since I watched Boys Don't Cry, which I watched right after watching Monster. So, naturally, that's a depressing double feature I wasn't anxious to revisit. Also, need to see Morton.
1) Collete (4.5)
2) Jolie (4)
3) Keener (3.5 I enjoy her performance, just don't get much out of her character though)
4) Sevigny (3/3.5-ish)
Mitchell: I remember really enjoying Ben 10 when I was really young. Like, actually 10, I think. I remember my kid critic self liking the Ghostfreak storyline and some other stuff.
Hated it when they starting adding way too many characters because according to myself: "What's the point of it being called Ben 10 if he has more than 10 transformations?"
As for cartoons I watched then that I still enjoy now, just give me anything from The Fairly OddParents before fucking Poof happened.
Emi: Thanks to Screwattack, I know it really should be "Ben 1,000,912".
Louis: The Father is undoubtedly 2021 now.
Luke, your top five Kevin McKidd performances
1. Rome
2. Gunpowder, Treason And Plot
3. Trainspotting
4. Topsy-Turvy
5. The Virgin Queen
6. Kingdom Of Heaven (Shame he wasn't in it more)
Anonymous:
I can't really find too much enthusiasm for these series. This one has a potentially good lead, but I still wasn't that engrossed by it, even with a WOOOAAAW worthy supporting actor there. Doesn't look bad, but not overly interested at the moment.
Lucas:
Those listed I found more memorable.
Luke:
It is still listed for "(MoMA - The Contenders) (virtual cinema)" on imdb, which is not a film festival, so if that is accurate (which it is listed on the Moma site) it will still be 2020.
Louis: When you first saw Tenet, you mentioned that you actually had much more to say about the film. Do you have any set plans on when (or if) you’ll elucidate?
Louis: I find it impossible to be excited for these series after the “content dump” of announcements the Mouse made the other day. It was like a parody of corporate cynicism.
Robert: How I miss Hand-Drawn Disney. I'm bored of CGI at the moment.
Luke: That’s not even scratching the iceberg of what I meant. They’re over-saturating the market to the point where they might actually have a monopoly should theaters return. We are going to be in the People’s Republic of Downtown Disney before the decade is out.
Robert:
I don't disagree, their content feels more and more like "product" each day.
Bryan:
I honestly don't remember what I was going to say, I guess I could re-watch the film, I mean it's not a terrible idea to watch "twist" based films again anyways.
Robert: I knew what you were referring to but I just want to put that in there, Disney haven't grabbed my attention for a longgggggggg time.
Robert, Louis and Luke: As I've said before...even though they in fact came out before my birth, I'm feeling an ever growing nostalgia for the likes of "Hunchback" and the original "Mulan".
Mitchell: On another note, with these Live-Action adaptations, I only ever want to see Hunchback and if they were ballsy enough to try again, The Black Cauldron.
Luke: The story of "Hunchback" is, by it's very nature, quite mature. One of big reasons the 96' film is so praised is because it broached that disturbing subject matter, but also made it digestible enough for a younger audience. If Disney were to try a live action movie now, I honestly doubt they'd have the conviction to revisit that kind of tone. Frankly, they might even sugar coat it even further like they've done for their other franchise, and if that's the case, they can count me out for the time being.
If they put in Frollo's backstory from the stage version, fix the tone problems and throw "A Guy Like You" into the biggest garbage disposal they can find (where it belongs) then - and i myself cannot belive i say this - it might be better than the original if they should not ruin the rest ...
... even though it seems very likely that they ruin the rest given he track record
While we're on this topic...I won't say I outright refuse to watch the new "Mulan", but it would take a good deal of coaxing for me to seek it out. For me personally, it just had an uphill battle from the start given how much I enjoy the original, let alone it's certain...ackhem..."production troubles".
Mitchell: i am happy with only hearing critiques of that film without any intentions of watching it myself and building my own opinion, thanks
Louis: Aaaaaalrighty then.
Anyways, your 1990s cast & director for The Favourite?
Tim: I'm not sure if that comment's directed at me given it's phrasing, but I'll clarify: I can't approximate the film's quality without having seen it - that's just silly - but it would be among the last of 2020's film output that I'd personally look for.
It was based on "I won't outright refuse to watch it" because i definitely do.
also, concerning Hunchback: everybody's choice for Frollo? I'll start with the obvious: Chris Cooper
Gotcha
As for Frollo...He might be a bit old now but...Jeremy Irons?
Philip Quast, No one comes close in my mind.
Bryan:
The Favourite 1990's directed by Nicholas Hytner:
Queen Anne: Imelda Staunton
Lady Sarah: Lesley Manville
Abigail: Nicole Kidman
Harley: Jude Law
Godolphin: Nigel Hawthorne
I enjoyed Mulan when I watched it but it's subsequently faded quite a bit for me. Still one of the better live action Disney films (not saying much though).
Also with regards to Tenet having a twist, I wish I knew what the twist was. I've done a lot of reading on what happened in the third act and I still have no clue. I will say though, all the credit to Pattinson and Washington for somehow making me feel a bit moved at their farewell. Even though I have no fucking clue what they were saying goodbye about.
Watched Another Round, which I flat out loved (finally 2020). Vinterberg has such a way with making seemingly innocuous atmosphere so incredibly vivid and vibrant, and he might be low key one of my favorite directors in terms of his use of music. The film itself, honestly has the central plot conceit of an It's Always Sunny Philadelphia episode, and it is actually funny, in an often sad kind of way. It is also indeed very moving but also in the end rather inspirational. It surprised me in a lot ways, particularly as films about alcohol go, and I just adored it, especially the final few minutes (which when you see it you'll know why).
You know who I'm saving.
Larsen - 4
Ranthe - 3.5
Millang - 4
Bonnevie - 3.5
Louis: how'd you get to see it? VOD or is it showing in your area.
And super glad to hear it lived up to expectations.
Oh damn, just found a link online. Thanks for alerting me to it Louis (as always).
Calvin:
Saw it through a virtual cinema showing.
Luke: 100% agree with Philip Quast as Frollo
Louis: Your thoughts on the cast of Another Road.
Also, not sure if you've given it before, but could I have your thoughts on Sonny's phone call with Leon in Dog Day Afternoon?
16 December 2020 at 04:22
Louis, have you seen the documentary 'Listen To Me Marlon'. I thought it was a fantastick documentary about a man whos selfindulgence and self loathing outweighed his love for the craft.
I know what you mean about the ending now Louis. Let’s just say I hope there’s a dark horse for Best Original Song this year. Wow. What a film.
And in context of Vinterberg’s life events...just wow.
Louis, how would you rank all of the season of sunny in order of preference (Im on a binge, it is my favorite sitcom so i like to revisit it every year)
*Always sunny in philadelphia
Louis: If Michael Wincott had been more prolific throughout his career, what are some roles that you would’ve liked to see him in?
Also, your top ten acting moments from him?
Louis: Could I have your thoughts on the Dogme 95 movement of filmmaking that Vinterberg and von Trier founded?
Louis: your thoughts on the football goal scene? Honestly that was the point where I realised how much I was getting emotionally invested in the film.
Louis, your thoughts on the Nomadland trailer.
By the way, I saw Sound of Metal, and I am entirely on board with a Raci review. Though I’m wondering if maybe he can be a darkhorse nominee like John Hawkes.
Tahmeed:
Larsen, Ranthe, Millang - (Together you get their absolutely stellar group chemistry. This where you get a strong since of their mutual camaraderie and their mutual foolishness. They are great group in that you have both fun with them, and also experience their emotional and drinking nadirs as well. Separately you get actually each a different kind of drunk. Millang as the sloppy drunk, and he's great fun, in portraying the sort of evading behavior while also showing the escape from his daily annoyances in it. Ranthe is a goofy drunk with also his moving little moments of reacting to see what his teaching actually does. Larsen then finds a real pathos in his sad drunk, as we see him often kind of internalize all the more even as seemingly the fool, that slowly becomes something far more somber.)
Bonnevie - (Makes the most of her scenes with Mikkelsen in granting a real sense of their distance but also chemistry between the two in each scene they have together. She's particularly good in her final scene, in basically through her performance creating the question of her character's decision without making it vague. She's also terrific in the scene of Mikkelsen's character's nadir, in portraying so honestly the sense of frustration.)
I probably have but to reiterate. A great scene of just almost pure acting in granting a full understanding of the relationship between the two men. Pacino showing the most vulnerability in the moment, against Sarandon's work that manages to carefully avoid caricature to create a real sense of honesty in the interaction. This until it broken rather brutally, in really Lumet so effectively showing his hand, as we cut to all the law enforcement officers listening in.
Will get to the last point soon.
John Smith:
I have not, as I have a tendencies to have not much interest if there's no critical eye to Brando's egotism, but probably should if it actually does take that more critical look.
Calvin:
Glad you seemed to have taken to it as much as I did.
Had a similar experience where I was almost surprised how gripped I was by the film at the end, that is definitely a great moment in that regard, and for me it surprised how much I really cared about the stories of all the men, and not just Mikkelsen's leading one.
Anonymous:
Looks very promising, looks beautifully shot in a low key way, seems very lyrical and McDormand looks like there's a lot of potential there, also glad she doesn't seem to be playing any kind of curmudgeon, and is offering a different side to her range again.
Bryan:
Dave Boyle
Tony B (The Sopranos)
Though honestly any villain role that isn't working...get Wincott (but here are some examples):
Black Mask - (Though that film didn't deserve his voice.)
Bartholomew Bogue
Sator
Doc (Baby Driver)
1. Guest appearance - Talk Radio
2. Every call - Talk Radio
3. Gangster meeting - The Crow
4. Final scene - Hitchcock
5. Ricard's leaving - Basquait
6. Think we used her up - The Crow
7. First scene - Basquait
8. Final confrontation - The Crow
9. Talking to Old Bill - Westworld
10. See if he'll make me stop - The Count of Monte Cristo
Louos:I feel the documentary is nuanced and sympathetic to brando while it also manages to critique him. What i really like about it was that it uses recordings of brandos to tell the story, he made hundred of tapes. There is no interviews with actors or directors regarding him. We hear the story of brando from brando. He comes across as a hypocrite and showcases his arrogance. But it also shows him as a damaged individual starving for love and acceptance which he found through acting because he was appreciated for it, something that he never felt before. That's what I took from viewing it.
P.S You should watch it just to hear him recite the bard. He had deep admiration and respect for shakespare which he talks about in the documentary.
Just saw Another Round, which is definitely my favorite film of the year. I'll definitely have to echo Louis's thoughts on Vinterberg's direction, and his use of music. Also, given how excellently he handled it in The Hunt and in this film, he's got to be one of the best directors of young actors.
I really did not expect to be as stunned as I was by so many sequences (the football goal scene, the choir singing, that climactic argument), and that ending was just astounding.
Mikkelsen- 5 (my win for the year, and I can only hope he's Louis's as well)
Larsen- 4 (can definitely go up, terrific counterpoint to his dynamic with Mikkelsen in The Hunt)
Ranthe- 4 (loved his little sub-plot with the student, didn't expect that one to hit me as much as it did)
Millang- 4
Bonnevie- 4
Saw Another Round, Loved it. Mikkelsen was brilliant and the easiest five I've given all year.
And that's 6 fives in Lead Actor so far.
Mikkelsen-Vinterberg can definitely do no wrong as far as I'm concerned.
Luke, Who are your picks to be reviewed for 2020 Alternate Lead if the Oscars Lineup is Boseman, Hopkins, Lindo, Oldman and Ben-Adir.
Anonymous: Taking into account we may get a review or 2 for Early 2021.
Jackman
Rylance
Ahmed
Mikkelsen
Yeun
And a bonus review for Dev Patel in The Personal History Of David Copperfield.
Stanfield and Firth/Tucci are the possibilities for 2021.
Glad to see Another Round won you guys over as well.
Tahmeed:
Thinking about it more I'll raise both 3.5 to 4's.
To be fair to Dogme 95, I haven't seen Vinterberg's entry (which is by far the most critically lauded), however given how much I love The Hunt and Another Round in terms of visuals and use of music, in how they amplified the script and the acting, why waste those additional elements? The idea of the center of it I do think it a silly one, in self handicapping a director, and making an "ugly" film for some artistic need. This is as I've never watched a film and said "oh boy that shot is just too beautiful, I can't possibly see the plot and performances with that around". There are so many great looking films, of different genres, set at different periods, with visual effects...that also have great stories and great acting. Putting that limitation is just silly, why not use all the tools you have? Vinterberg and Von Trier obviously abandoned the concept, proving really its insignificance as a movement. In general purposefully "Fake" or "cheap" looking films rarely earn that stylistic choice. It too often just looks fake and cheap, as again the concept of looking great, and real has rarely detracted from a film. I'll say overstylization and "flash" can be a minor danger (that get in the way rather than amplify a film), but in a way, Dogme 95 style films at their worst, are themselves that.
John Smith:
Definitely sounds worth watching then, I will try to check it out.
Luke & Anonymous:
I should note that if Kaluuya or Tucci are nominated, and I feel Stanfield or Firth are worthy of a review, I will review them as out of the lineup bonus reviews, rather than wait a full year away from the reviews of their co-stars. They still won't be in the overall rankings however until the 2021 overalls.
Louis: Having seen Another Round, could Vinterberg go up in your Director overall for 2012 and/or take the Screenplay win.
John Smith:
It's Always Sunny Season Ranking:
1.5
2.9
3.4
4.12
5.11
6.2
7.1
8.3
9.6
10.10
11.8
12.12
13.7
14.13
Although there are no bad seasons of Sunny, as even season 13 has plenty of gold.
Tahmeed:
No, but without giving too much away, he's probably going to be in a pretty good position this year.
Luke, ratings for the cast of Another Round
Anonymous: The rest of the cast are all 4s, strongest being Larsen.
Also saw Another Round, absolutely amazing.
Louis: Your thoughts on the ending song, "What a Life"?
On the subject of the Another Round cast, I thought the kid who played Sebastian was also fantastic, I'm always very impressed by young actors who can nail that kind of performance without any hint of artifice.
Just a random thought: If anyone is tempted to watch The Prom, even out of curiosity, you must first (or instead) watch “Regional Holiday Music” from Community AKA the episode where they mercilessly nock Glee. I want the Netflix algorithm to get screwy and piss off Ryan Murphy.
Robert: Too late. I watched The Prom.
I hated myself for it. Hoping it won't get any major awards recognition so that Louis can avoid it too.
Calvin: Well still watch Regional Holiday Music to fuck with the algorithm.
Robert: by all means.
RYAN MURPHY MUST BE STOPPED
I’m chill with Pose, but the rest of his stuff I’ve seen can be done away with. ESPECIALLY American Horror Story, it took me a full year just to stomach the first season of that.
I should note that I haven't seen Pose, and remembering how important it is as a show for LGBTQ (especially trans) representation, I take it back. Should really watch it.
Calvin: It does have many of the typical Ryan Murphy tropes, but the historical context of the series largely makes his melodramatic style work.
Calvin:
Agreed on that point as well.
Anonymous:
Loved it, the visuals that went with it perhaps amplified by enjoyment it a bit, but on its own merits thought it was a terrific song. This just being super catchy and invigorating song. I'll also say, surprisingly I liked the electric touches, which can often lead to "overproducing", but here thought just made the song all the more energetic with its grand chorus that couldn't be more fitting to the finale. Especially love the pseudo traditional eastern European instrumental intro/outros.
Calvin: Agreed 100% on Albert Lindhardt's work as Sebastian, really resonated with me.
Louis: Could I have your rating and thoughts on Lindhardt?
Im mixed of ryan murphy. Season 2 of american horror story is genuinely great and i enjoyed roanoke as well. I absolutely love the assasination of gianni versace and the first season about oj.
I've seen the first 4 seasons of American Horror Story and Asylum's easily the best of the lot. I completely understand why it wouldn't be for everyone.
*Joins everyone else in the appraisal for Another Round*
Louis, what are your thoughts on the live version of 'The Nightman comet'. Saw it on youtube and it is hillarious.
Louis & Luke: How would Nicholas Hoult fare as Commodus for a 2020s Gladiator?
Bryan: Based on The Favourite and THOTKG, I'd have to agree. Either him or Pattinson. From their generation, I kinda thought Andrew Garfield for a split second but he's too innocent looking.
Bryan: That Anonymous comment is mine, pressed the wrong button by rushing it.
Luke: Yeah, I can kind of see Pattinson in the role too. Just thought of Hoult first due to his recent period piece/villain turns. He also has that regal look.
Bryan: I should really check out The Great with him and Fanning at some point.
Luke, since you requested James Woods, are there any performances from previous rounds you'd like to see write-ups on.
Anonymous: Aside from the missing fives you mean.
Luke, yes.
Anonymous: Well, depends whether Louis would have any vested interest in doing them. They either have to be really strong 4.5s or incredibly intriguing in one's resume.
Obviously they would have to be post-Bonus rounds and whenever he decides it's a good time to do them, so no rush plus whatever plans he'll have in store for us.
I'm all good on what has been reviewed for Supporting.
Toshiro Mifune in The Bad Sleep Well
Uttam Kumar in Nayak
Tatsuya Nakadai in Kill!
Alain Delon in Le Cercle Rouge (If he's a really strong 4.5)
Gene Hackman in Bite The Bullet
Eric Bogosian in Talk Radio
Bill Murray in Scrooged
Robby Benson in Beauty And The Beast
Bob Hoskins in Felicia's Journey
Paul Bettany in Dogville
Song Kang-Ho in Memories Of Murder
Issey Ogata in The Sun (I don't think Louis would want to sit through it again though)
Joaquin Phoenix in Two Lovers
Ewan McGregor in The Ghost Writer
Lambert Wilson in Of Gods And Men
Aksel Hennie in Headhunters
Jason Statham in Hummingbird
Luke, I would definitely support a Statham review.
I’m gonna laugh my ass off if Woods gets downgraded in his review.
Michael: Either way, I'm too curious about that performance and hopefully we'll get a good laugh from the write-up. :)
Actually, the one Supporting review I wouldn't mind seeing in future is Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park.
I'm gonna try to catch Another Round (if possible) this weekend. I'm excited even more now given how much you've all liked it. Only thing that has me worried about it is that Mastodon's chances at having Louis' Original Song win might be on jeopardy.
I actually checked and What a Life isn’t an Original Song, so don’t worry haha.
Calvin: Splendid...
Folks: What are your expectations for Ma Rainey's Black Bottom? Do you think Chadwick Boseman and Viola Davis will have high ratings?
Watched Ma Rainey's Black Bottom, I thought was definitely an obvious play adaptation (with the best ones, this is not obvious), but an adaptation of a good play. This with the attempts to really "expand" feel obvious in that attempt and don't add up to much. It succeeds on the strengths of the source material however, though I do feel there is a moment where one needs to say "well that escalated quickly", and I imagine probably works better on stage. Still even with a few flaws, it overall definitely succeeds in a similar way to Fences, though I think that was the superior of the two plays helping in turn into making a superior film.
Davis - (Have to ruminate a bit on my overall thoughts/rating, as a couple of those "few flaws" involve her, though those flaws are mostly out of her control, one being her makeup that looks a bit much even for Ma Rainey, and might actually be a cinematography issue and the lip syncing, that does make me ponder if perhaps they should've gotten say a Queen Latifah for the role.)
Turman - 4
Domingo - 3.5
Potts - 3
Paige - 3
Brown - 2.5
Coyne - 2.5
Shamos - 2.5
Tahmeed:
Lindhardt - 3.5(His performance does indeed pull off a rather difficult kind of emotion not to seem completely ridiculous or overwrought with. He pulls of the youthful anxiety well in making it both honest and quite moving in itself. Then is quite effective in showing the slow realization of a self-confidence later on.)
Bryan:
Given his success with those types of roles, I'd say he'd fair well.
John Smith:
Find the audience detracts from the strength of the show, just a bit.
Side Note on Black Bottom: Boseman I'd actually say is more leading than Davis.
Louis: Your thoughts on the rest of the cast. I kinda thought as much about Davis and I'm pleased none of those flaws involve Boseman.
I thought Ma Rainey's was terrific, I do think the ending is definitely the weak link but I thought it managed to build to it well enough, and Boseman was amazing - easy, easy, easy 5 for me. Agreed completely - in fact, Ma Rainey felt almost supporting and peripheral in a way.
Calvin: Remember I said that 10 fives in Lead is a possibility, is Ben-Adir in One Night In Miami the one you're not sure on.
Luke, I'll laugh so much if Lead Actor tops 2017-2019, given the circumstances.
Luke: Yes, but just purely going off the fact that Malcolm X is very tricky to pull off. I don’t doubt he’ll do well. Also I could imagine Odom Jr. (who is apparently more of a co-lead) getting a 5.
I do feel like him and Yeun are losing momentum in the overall race while Ahmed is gaining. It’s good that whatever way it goes though, it’ll be a big win for representation.
Just finished Ma Rainey's Black Bottom. I thought it was terrific, and I don't know much about the source material, but I'll just say that the whole film seemed to be more about Boseman's character rather than Ma Rainey's, although that's not an immediate flaw for me.
As for ratings:
Boseman- 5 (ASTOUNDING work, has two phenomenal scenes that are among the best I've seen this year. And yes, he's more Lead than Davis).
Davis- 4.5 (I thought her performance was largely effective, even with the makeup and slightly limited focus)
Turman- 4
Domingo- 3.5
Potts- 3
Paige- 3
Brown- 2.5
Coyne- 3
Shamos- 3
I'm definitely more positive on the supporting cast than the rest of you I think, though I'm glad we all concur that Turman was a standout too. I thought Domingo was fantastic too.
Also I'm so glad they didn't run Boseman supporting like some had hoped. That would've been SO disrespectful. Credit to Netflix for not going for an easy route to a Supporting win and instead campaigning him Lead as they should.
Calvin: I apologize for my line of thinking back then but I was overly concerned with the Social Media backlash if he lost.
Luke: Eh, whatever happens, happens. I'm sure Boseman would've preferred to campaign in Lead with the prospect of winning or losing than cruising to a Supporting win. No actor likes category fraud.
What's everyone's Lead Actor top 5 so far? Mine is:
1. Mikkelsen
2. Lindo
3. Boseman
4. Oldman
5. Ahmed
Tahmeed: After having finished Ma Rainey's Black Bottom.
1. Mikkelsen
2. Lindo
3. Boseman
4. Oldman
5. Jackman
6. Ahmed
7. Rylance
8. Patel
9. MacKay
10. Plemons
Are we all just discounting Hamilton then?
I'm not, but it seems like everyone else is.
A really strong top 7 I must say, even Rylance who was amazing in a decent enough film.
Matt: Shit, sorry, Odom Jr. is #10.
Delroy Lindo won the New York Film Critics Circle
I’m glad, hoping he becomes a lock.
Luke:
Davis - (Kind of settling on her performance a bit, I think overall it is a good one, but I do see the potential for more within the character, as limited as the character technically is as the kind of supporting/leading type of role. Again it doesn't help that the makeup is always sitting there and I have to admit I never quite got over how distracting it is. She also I don't think delivers quite the presence needed. Now she definitely has presence, but in a way she needed to overshadow everyone to at least some extent, as sort of the domineering presence of the piece, who is not in it a lot but you feel her even when she is not. Davis doesn't quite do that, and I do think is overshadowed by someone else, more than perhaps she should be. Having said all that, in general she does deliver in bringing her usual cutting quality within her delivery, and fashioning enough of the sense of distress in the character even as she brandishes her degree of power best she can.)
Turman - (Thought he was pitch perfect in managing to create the few comical moments within the film through his quick deliveries that were impeccably timed. On that though he just carries a terrific understated presence that bounces particularly well off his co-stars. This in portraying the man who has sort of a meek stability that manages to be both endearing and funny.)
Domingo - (He's not a 4 largely because I thought his blowup moment was a bit too theatrical. Besides that though I thought he was an effective sparring partner essentially with Boseman. This in portraying the sort of calmer empowered demeanor of someone content within his position though less content with those who aren't. He brings the right sense of leadership and stability, against the hotshot ambition that is Boseman's character.)
Potts - (Entirely fine, works well in the group, but really as designed, he's largely just there watching as the rest have the bigger moments.)
Paige - (She's good but I'd actually say her role is possibly a weakness in the source material. This is she isn't developed beyond an object of affection for Levee and Ma Rainey to vie for. This even as a subplot really doesn't add up to much of anything, other than another thing that Levee is aiming for that appears Ma has. Just seems like there was more to be done within the relationship, but again that flaw probably exists in the play itself. Paige acquits well in bringing enough of a kind lusty ambition, in that she portrays her most turned on seemingly at seeing the ambition of another.)
Brown - (Doesn't deliver his little bit especially memorably, but doesn't deliver it poorly either.
Coyne & Shamos - (Stock performances for stock characters.)
Matt:
Although it doesn't make you a lock by any means (Keaton, Spall, Hawke, Redford), definitely a good reminder to voters for him. With this and Boston going to Hopkins, doesn't seem like anyone will be creating the undeniable narrative (at least based on a critical sweep).
It at least means he's definitely in the race
Supporting Actress at NYFCC went to Bakalova for Broat Subsequent Moviefilm
Tahmeed: I’ll give you my Top Five after I watch MRBB (this afternoon/tonight).
Jackman completely slipped my mind, he's my #5 for Bad Education.
Leslie Odom Jr. is co-lead with Ben-Adir in One Night in Miami.
Luke or Louis: is The Honeymoon Killers a 1970 release?
My top ten for best actor so far;
1. Rylance (could go down upon rewatch)
2. Mikkelsen
3. Lindo
4. Yeun
5. Ahmed
6. Boseman
7. Oldman
8. Plemons
9. Jackman
10. Kim
Omar:
Seems sources regarding a supposed 69 release are sketchy at best, so at the moment I'll be considering it a 1970 release.
Boseman won Supporting in NYFCC for da 5 Bloods. I wonder if this means a double nom at the Oscars.
Bacurau won Foreign Language Movie, Another Round was better IMO, but as a lusophone I can’t really be mad.
Zhao won for Director, obvious win.
Anonymous:
Maybe, but also maybe, we should always remember critic groups are critic groups. This as they could've easily had the discussion "hey since we're not giving it to him in lead, why don't we give it to him in supporting".
Yeah, that’s exactly what I thought, especially since I didn’t think think he was all that, the role wasn’t much. Still, it does give power to Netflix's inevitable campaign for his nom.
Never Rarely Sometimes Always for Screenplay, I feel like it's a lock for Original Screenplay now, seeing the weakness of the category
Netflix should put all their cards on Boseman's performance in Ma Rainey instead of going for a double nom in my opinion. I genuinely think he has a good shot of winning Lead Actor.
Anonymous:
Eh, if someone can explain the "brilliance" of that film, I would appreciate it. Basically the only lines of dialogue in the screenplay that are more than 3 words are song lyrics. Then the rest of the screenplay is people doing mundane things or being creeped on. I mean even if you like the film, I don't see how you'd think its screenplay is where its strengths lie.
Louis: I didn’t know you had seen it. Have you given your thoughts on Flanigan?
Anonymous: He gave Flanigan a 3.5.
Well, didn’t expect Flanigan. Guess she’s got a chance now, even if slight.
Wolfwalkers was well animated, but Ghibli does environmental stories much better. Glad it wasn’t Disney, thought.
First Cow won for Picture. Guess it’s this year's The Rider.
I can’t believe I’ve managed to watch most of the NYFC winners lol. I actually dig most of the wins quite a bit. In particular nice to see Flanigan get some love.
Never Rarely Sometimes Always could have a shot. First Cow? No but I’m kinda happy it did. And Wolfwalkers is lovely.
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