Laurence Fishburne did not receive an Oscar nomination, despite being nominated for an Independent Spirit Award, for portraying Russell Stevens Jr. in Deep Cover.
Deep Cover follows a police officer as he tries to take down the drug trade from the inside.
Deep Cover is a film I'd describe as somewhat Samuel Fullerish, from Bill Duke (yes that Bill Duke), in that there's much to admire within its frequently daring approach to its story, while at the same time being a bit rough around the edges. One quality that isn't rough is its lead performance by Laurence Fishburne as the cop tasked with his superior officer (Charles Martin Smith) to infiltrate the drug trade. Fishburne's performance is the focal point of the film wherein we follow him from the officer who walks into the office and handles his superior officer's racist, purposefully prodding, question. Fishburne expresses the state of the man, who we are actually introduced first to as a kid where he sees his liquor store robber father brutally gunned down, as beyond straight laced. There's a control in Fishburne's performance and his manner of a man who has spent years doing exactly what he believes to be the right thing and is following the narrow expected path. We see this is a completely specific posture and his delivery that isn't quite robotic, however it is extremely measured in the aggressively exact nature of how he speaks the words. Fishburne successfully establishes a man rigid to the system of law, a man who has avoided drugs and alcohol his entire life, and who will pursue assignment with a calculated conviction.
We then follow Russell as he goes about trying to find his way into the drug world, by attempting to become a dealer and get entrenched into the world of the higher up dealers. Fishburne's performance is effective in finding a balance between the surface emotion, which just as it speaks to a man rigid in his approach to law enforcement, it is as convincing as a man going about his business of dealing drugs, and the sense of danger and even more so the sense of empathy of the genuine good man beneath the surface of the act. An act that is both one he is showing as a false drug dealer but also actually as a cop as well. There are moments where we see Russell take a moment to observe a child, much like himself, as the victim of a drug addicted parent, or having to face down the accusations of a genuinely passionate fellow cop who wants to keep drugs away from his community and children. Fishburne makes the most of these moments by playing the empathy quietly in his eyes, just as the rest of himself seems to insist upon the outward appearance of the "cool" of a man who seemingly doesn't care about anything other than the money he can make. Fishburne creates the innate conflict in the man apparently who is trying to pretend as though he cares about nothing whatsoever, while being emotionally attached to everything, even beyond the fact that he's a cop, and even more so because he genuinely cares about trying to prevent others from becoming victims of drugs.
Jeff Goldblum did not receive an Oscar nomination, despite being nominated for an Independent Spirit Award, for portraying David Jason in Deep Cover.
Eventually getting arrested, due to being sold out by another low level drug dealer, Russell is rescued in court by a man who had been around the drug scene, but also is a lawyer, played here by Jeff Goldblum. Jeff Goldblum is an actor that falls a bit into the sort of strange group along with John Malkovich, Christopher Walken and Samuel L. Jackson, where at a certain point the majority of his performances became less as different characters and more variations on an expected presence. Like those other performances, this change is typically marked by a singular performance that marks that change, in Goldblum's case that was his iconic work in Jurassic Park, one year after this film, which in a way Deep Cover is one of the last completely pure examples of Jeff Goldblum the actor, rather than the Goldblum. And as much as I can enjoy a "the Goldblum" performance, it is something else to see Goldblum when he's entirely trying to become a part without at all relying on the expectation of a Jeff Goldblum performance. Because Goldblum here isn't seeking to accentuate pauses, to smile seductively, or just be everything that defines Goldblum, here he's something else entirely in depicting a lawyer who decides to take a shortcut in life. And it is striking to see Goldblum, so far from doing his Goldblum, as he comes with his own combination of "cool" and something underneath. As Goldblum is projecting this certain attempted power as he's speaking to this lower drug dealer with a quiet sneer and the air of confidence in the innate swagger Goldblum brings. Like Fishburne, Goldblum's eyes too denote a withdrawn anxiety in presenting his David as filled with anxiety just beneath the surface, showing a man in over his head.
The two fully connect when Russell gets arrested and it is Goldblum's David who gets Russell quickly off his charges. In this scene Goldblum is the man seemingly fully in his powers and in control. Goldblum just exudes the swagger of the classic smarmy lawyer who charmingly chats up everyone and quickly makes a deal that makes everything go away in few while also making David and Russell partners in crime. Fishburne is effective as a balance between him and Goldblum, as we see Russell get deeper into life, it is as the quietly stoic drug dealer, against David who is the extremely ambitious man wanting to make a name for himself in this world. And here's where I think the film is good, though greatness seems in reach though I don't think it quite gets there. David's a fascinating character where he's a lawyer, with a straight-laced family, who spends his night dealing with the international drug trade. And the motivation for this seems to be this sort of fringe insanity behind the man, which Goldblum cultivates a bit behind the lines, such as his rambling about his love of sleeping with African American women with this rotten intensity. Goldblum exposing this mentally ill thrill the man is seeking above all else that pushes towards his seemingly bizarre and risky actions. And an idea, where I wish the film just gave a little more time to the idea, because what is there is captivating, I just wish there was a bit more of it, particularly because Goldblum is incredibly dynamic in alluding to what is there for him.
The film expands and what we get more of is David and Russell rising together, something I almost wish the film had spent time to connect them beyond just a business agreement, but regardless that is what we get and we get the parallel rise for each. A particularly notable one being when Russell is tasked with killing another drug dealer, which will prove himself for David. Fishburne is great in this scene of approaching the killing, which is of a horrible dealer (also a bit too over the top but I digress) who he saw gun down a kid. Regardless Fishburne's approach to the scene delivers the weight of it as he's frozen in his face as he's broaching crossing the line to something else in terrible, and that sense of conflict, even over the death of horrible man is going on through him. To the point he only kills the man when the man begins to advance on him, and Fishburne in the moment almost seems lost in the killing, and portrays Russell almost in a kind of fugue state. And Fishburne shows this as part of the frustration we see quietly building when being the drug dealer, and effectively delivers the more direct outrage towards his superior when it seems like there is no genuine purpose to his task at times. The only respite seeming a romance with a high priced art dealer, which honestly I'll say is one of the weaker aspects of the film, in part because the film doesn't devote the appropriate time to developing the character. David on the other hand is also changing as the man more willfully getting deeper into the life, as a comes afoul with a more powerful drug broker. A great scene with Goldblum where his cockiness immediately turns to withdrawn worry as the man verbally and physically demeans David. Goldblum is amazing in the scene in showing all that bluster of David get lost and the anxiety in the man expand. Topping that only with the following scene with his wife, where Goldblum plays it almost as a kid bullied by people he thought were his friends, as he's so vulnerable and frustrated in his meek way of saying what he did wrong with so much personal shame.
Following the sequence is where everything goes out of control, where Russell ignores his superior to go through with saving David from a sting, in order to further his entrenchment to get a bigger fish, and David turns on the bigger broker. Fishburne is great in the scene again by providing grounding in showing the man just with conviction trying to get through but showing within that conviction tension of a man who is in a completely insane situation. Goldblum on the other hand is pure insanity, and portrays the whole sequence wonderfully as a man high as kite as he goes about getting his revenge on the other man. Goldblum is great in the way he slowly unravels throughout the sequence showing this greater determination, and insanity over every moment showing the man getting closer to breaking towards pure mania. Goldblum though shows instead of the genuine fear of crossing this line like we saw in Russell, in David Goldblum expresses a sadism in it, as man savouring the choice, loving the choice and getting more than anything a high of the act off the killing as he goes upon it with tremendous glee. And within that we see both men go beyond the pale, Russell because it is the only way to truly get something done and David because he's mad in ambition. Fishburne is terrific in his scene of completely unleashing the exhaustion and somber anger when he learns the highest dealers are politically protected leading to this change. However, I think the switch to the proudly sober David turning to drinking and drugs, is something that doesn't feel entirely explored or completely realized. Fishburne sells the individuals moments, they just don't truly go anywhere unfortunately. And in the last act, which unfortunately is a little rushed for David to as he and Russell are at this extreme, I wish we spent more time with them in this and again maybe explored a bit more in their relationship, even if both actors are delivering with what they do have. Though I will say to its credit the final sequence, where Russell is exposed due to his care for the honest cop who berated him earlier, against David who doesn't care about anything except his success comes clashing, is well played in the contrast. Fishburne being completely open in just the raw grief of trying to help the man and bringing a cathartic sincerity within the man who has had to hide away, comparing that to Goldblum who has become a purely callous psychopath who just casually guns the cop down in order to end the conflict. And this is case of two performances I find much to praise, and I would say contain the raw materials of outstanding work, if the film just gave them a little more room in just a few places. Regardless Fishburne and Goldblum give very strong performances here, the former a proper leading turn that carries us through this emotional journey of deceit, and the latter giving a wonderfully atypical turn that suggests there was perhaps even more for the actor to explore away from his more expected presence.
Deep Cover follows a police officer as he tries to take down the drug trade from the inside.
Deep Cover is a film I'd describe as somewhat Samuel Fullerish, from Bill Duke (yes that Bill Duke), in that there's much to admire within its frequently daring approach to its story, while at the same time being a bit rough around the edges. One quality that isn't rough is its lead performance by Laurence Fishburne as the cop tasked with his superior officer (Charles Martin Smith) to infiltrate the drug trade. Fishburne's performance is the focal point of the film wherein we follow him from the officer who walks into the office and handles his superior officer's racist, purposefully prodding, question. Fishburne expresses the state of the man, who we are actually introduced first to as a kid where he sees his liquor store robber father brutally gunned down, as beyond straight laced. There's a control in Fishburne's performance and his manner of a man who has spent years doing exactly what he believes to be the right thing and is following the narrow expected path. We see this is a completely specific posture and his delivery that isn't quite robotic, however it is extremely measured in the aggressively exact nature of how he speaks the words. Fishburne successfully establishes a man rigid to the system of law, a man who has avoided drugs and alcohol his entire life, and who will pursue assignment with a calculated conviction.
We then follow Russell as he goes about trying to find his way into the drug world, by attempting to become a dealer and get entrenched into the world of the higher up dealers. Fishburne's performance is effective in finding a balance between the surface emotion, which just as it speaks to a man rigid in his approach to law enforcement, it is as convincing as a man going about his business of dealing drugs, and the sense of danger and even more so the sense of empathy of the genuine good man beneath the surface of the act. An act that is both one he is showing as a false drug dealer but also actually as a cop as well. There are moments where we see Russell take a moment to observe a child, much like himself, as the victim of a drug addicted parent, or having to face down the accusations of a genuinely passionate fellow cop who wants to keep drugs away from his community and children. Fishburne makes the most of these moments by playing the empathy quietly in his eyes, just as the rest of himself seems to insist upon the outward appearance of the "cool" of a man who seemingly doesn't care about anything other than the money he can make. Fishburne creates the innate conflict in the man apparently who is trying to pretend as though he cares about nothing whatsoever, while being emotionally attached to everything, even beyond the fact that he's a cop, and even more so because he genuinely cares about trying to prevent others from becoming victims of drugs.
Jeff Goldblum did not receive an Oscar nomination, despite being nominated for an Independent Spirit Award, for portraying David Jason in Deep Cover.
Eventually getting arrested, due to being sold out by another low level drug dealer, Russell is rescued in court by a man who had been around the drug scene, but also is a lawyer, played here by Jeff Goldblum. Jeff Goldblum is an actor that falls a bit into the sort of strange group along with John Malkovich, Christopher Walken and Samuel L. Jackson, where at a certain point the majority of his performances became less as different characters and more variations on an expected presence. Like those other performances, this change is typically marked by a singular performance that marks that change, in Goldblum's case that was his iconic work in Jurassic Park, one year after this film, which in a way Deep Cover is one of the last completely pure examples of Jeff Goldblum the actor, rather than the Goldblum. And as much as I can enjoy a "the Goldblum" performance, it is something else to see Goldblum when he's entirely trying to become a part without at all relying on the expectation of a Jeff Goldblum performance. Because Goldblum here isn't seeking to accentuate pauses, to smile seductively, or just be everything that defines Goldblum, here he's something else entirely in depicting a lawyer who decides to take a shortcut in life. And it is striking to see Goldblum, so far from doing his Goldblum, as he comes with his own combination of "cool" and something underneath. As Goldblum is projecting this certain attempted power as he's speaking to this lower drug dealer with a quiet sneer and the air of confidence in the innate swagger Goldblum brings. Like Fishburne, Goldblum's eyes too denote a withdrawn anxiety in presenting his David as filled with anxiety just beneath the surface, showing a man in over his head.
The two fully connect when Russell gets arrested and it is Goldblum's David who gets Russell quickly off his charges. In this scene Goldblum is the man seemingly fully in his powers and in control. Goldblum just exudes the swagger of the classic smarmy lawyer who charmingly chats up everyone and quickly makes a deal that makes everything go away in few while also making David and Russell partners in crime. Fishburne is effective as a balance between him and Goldblum, as we see Russell get deeper into life, it is as the quietly stoic drug dealer, against David who is the extremely ambitious man wanting to make a name for himself in this world. And here's where I think the film is good, though greatness seems in reach though I don't think it quite gets there. David's a fascinating character where he's a lawyer, with a straight-laced family, who spends his night dealing with the international drug trade. And the motivation for this seems to be this sort of fringe insanity behind the man, which Goldblum cultivates a bit behind the lines, such as his rambling about his love of sleeping with African American women with this rotten intensity. Goldblum exposing this mentally ill thrill the man is seeking above all else that pushes towards his seemingly bizarre and risky actions. And an idea, where I wish the film just gave a little more time to the idea, because what is there is captivating, I just wish there was a bit more of it, particularly because Goldblum is incredibly dynamic in alluding to what is there for him.
The film expands and what we get more of is David and Russell rising together, something I almost wish the film had spent time to connect them beyond just a business agreement, but regardless that is what we get and we get the parallel rise for each. A particularly notable one being when Russell is tasked with killing another drug dealer, which will prove himself for David. Fishburne is great in this scene of approaching the killing, which is of a horrible dealer (also a bit too over the top but I digress) who he saw gun down a kid. Regardless Fishburne's approach to the scene delivers the weight of it as he's frozen in his face as he's broaching crossing the line to something else in terrible, and that sense of conflict, even over the death of horrible man is going on through him. To the point he only kills the man when the man begins to advance on him, and Fishburne in the moment almost seems lost in the killing, and portrays Russell almost in a kind of fugue state. And Fishburne shows this as part of the frustration we see quietly building when being the drug dealer, and effectively delivers the more direct outrage towards his superior when it seems like there is no genuine purpose to his task at times. The only respite seeming a romance with a high priced art dealer, which honestly I'll say is one of the weaker aspects of the film, in part because the film doesn't devote the appropriate time to developing the character. David on the other hand is also changing as the man more willfully getting deeper into the life, as a comes afoul with a more powerful drug broker. A great scene with Goldblum where his cockiness immediately turns to withdrawn worry as the man verbally and physically demeans David. Goldblum is amazing in the scene in showing all that bluster of David get lost and the anxiety in the man expand. Topping that only with the following scene with his wife, where Goldblum plays it almost as a kid bullied by people he thought were his friends, as he's so vulnerable and frustrated in his meek way of saying what he did wrong with so much personal shame.
Following the sequence is where everything goes out of control, where Russell ignores his superior to go through with saving David from a sting, in order to further his entrenchment to get a bigger fish, and David turns on the bigger broker. Fishburne is great in the scene again by providing grounding in showing the man just with conviction trying to get through but showing within that conviction tension of a man who is in a completely insane situation. Goldblum on the other hand is pure insanity, and portrays the whole sequence wonderfully as a man high as kite as he goes about getting his revenge on the other man. Goldblum is great in the way he slowly unravels throughout the sequence showing this greater determination, and insanity over every moment showing the man getting closer to breaking towards pure mania. Goldblum though shows instead of the genuine fear of crossing this line like we saw in Russell, in David Goldblum expresses a sadism in it, as man savouring the choice, loving the choice and getting more than anything a high of the act off the killing as he goes upon it with tremendous glee. And within that we see both men go beyond the pale, Russell because it is the only way to truly get something done and David because he's mad in ambition. Fishburne is terrific in his scene of completely unleashing the exhaustion and somber anger when he learns the highest dealers are politically protected leading to this change. However, I think the switch to the proudly sober David turning to drinking and drugs, is something that doesn't feel entirely explored or completely realized. Fishburne sells the individuals moments, they just don't truly go anywhere unfortunately. And in the last act, which unfortunately is a little rushed for David to as he and Russell are at this extreme, I wish we spent more time with them in this and again maybe explored a bit more in their relationship, even if both actors are delivering with what they do have. Though I will say to its credit the final sequence, where Russell is exposed due to his care for the honest cop who berated him earlier, against David who doesn't care about anything except his success comes clashing, is well played in the contrast. Fishburne being completely open in just the raw grief of trying to help the man and bringing a cathartic sincerity within the man who has had to hide away, comparing that to Goldblum who has become a purely callous psychopath who just casually guns the cop down in order to end the conflict. And this is case of two performances I find much to praise, and I would say contain the raw materials of outstanding work, if the film just gave them a little more room in just a few places. Regardless Fishburne and Goldblum give very strong performances here, the former a proper leading turn that carries us through this emotional journey of deceit, and the latter giving a wonderfully atypical turn that suggests there was perhaps even more for the actor to explore away from his more expected presence.
59 comments:
Louis: Your thoughts on Duke's direction.
Tahmeed:
The scene is so painful, and one of the most powerful examples of really the sense of an oppressive parental relationship where you see such distinct passion, and care from Brian as he's trying to get his dad to listen, who couldn't care less and couldn't be more dismissive. And you see it's less that he doesn't like the song, as ridiculous as it seems to anyone being one of the very best songs let alone from the Beach Boys, but rather the fact that he doesn't give Brian the time of day at the moment. He doesn't even try to see it being callous the whole time, and just seems looking away to tear it apart. And Dano is so heartbreaking when he's trying to cling on to the little bit of praise, where contrasting that Camp is so brutal in his careless disregard for it all.
8000's:
Lame parody, despite even having a potentially great Ebert with Michael Lerner, but that just shows the waste by having the most standard politician jokes which aren't at all funny.
Jonathan:
As remarkable as Star Wars in a way because of the sheer amount of sound editing and really how many different sounds they had to come up with related to the fantasy world, the different creatures, along with just more expected war sounds like arrows and such. And great work across the board, where the sounds just seem "right" which is quite the accomplishment given how different everything is and convincing in amplifying each different creature, or magical element as natural, while also being sort of supported by the realism of some of the more straightforward effects.
Matthew:
Choi - 4.5
Hwang - 3
Hwang - 3
Shim - 3
Tony:
I had seen Nathan For You.
I loved the ending as it was the final result of the actual curse, where in a way it was worse than anything he could've imagined with what it was, and creating a bizarre sort of horror that worked in part because of how mundane the danger of it was in a way. And how much as it was this wild fantastical swing it kept as a matter fact, if darkly comic, way that made it a proper climax for me.
Luke:
It's not season 1 or 2, few things are, and it was almost surprisingly straightforward in a lot of ways, where I found it a little strange how sort of exact most of the characters were in their morality, rather than the other seasons where typically there was more grey. And I'll say the story is so simple in a way, that I do think they could've probably condensed it down to few episodes and it might've made the whole series stronger for it, particularly since there really aren't any major twists or turns, though I more or less liked everything in terms of its execution, particularly in terms of its style, even if I can't help but feel it almost seemed to play it too safe for Fargo most of the time. But maybe after 4 got too unwieldy the point was to make it simpler, and I guess mission accomplished in that it succeeded in its more minor ambition, however I did think there could've been far more to it on the whole. So I liked it, but I think it should've been either tighter, or done more with these characters with the ten episodes.
1. Sam Spruell
2. Juno Temple
3. Jennifer Jason Leigh
4. Jon Hamm
5. Keri Matchett
6. Joe Keery
7. Lamorne Morris
8. David Rysdahl
9. Sienna King
10. Richa Moorjani
11. Rebecca Liddiard
12. Dave Foley
13. Jessica Pohly
14. Nick Gomez
15. Lukas Gage
Series:
1. Succession
2. The Curse
3. The Bear
4. The Great
5. Beef
6. A Small Light
7. Slow Horses
8. Poker Face
9. Only Murders in the Building
10. Fargo
Actor:
1. Kieran Culkin - Succession
2. Jeremy Strong - Succession
3. Steven Yeun - Beef
4. Martin Short - Only Murders in the Building
5. Gary Oldman - Slow Horses
6. Jeremy Allen White - The Bear
7. Nicholas Hoult - The Great
8. Tom Hiddleston - Loki
9. Jon Hamm - Fargo
10. Nathan Fielder - The Curse
Actress:
1. Emma Stone - The Curse
2. Ali Wong - Beef
3. Elle Fanning - The Great
4. Sarah Goldberg - Barry
5. Sarah Snook - Succession
6. Juno Temple - Fargo
7. Bel Powley - A Small Light
8. Natasha Lyonne - Poker Face
9. Ayo Edebiri - The Bear
Supporting Actor:
1. Matthew Macfadyen - Succession
2. Ebon Moss-Bachrach - The Bear
3. Alan Ruck - Succession
4. Brian Cox - Succession
5. Benny Safdie - The Curse
6. Sam Spruell - Fargo
7. Glenn Howerton - It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
8. Liev Schreiber - A Small Light
9. Gwilym Lee - The Great
10. Phil Dunster - Ted Lasso
Supporting Actress:
1. Meryl Streep - Only Murders in the Building
2. Belinda Bromilow - The Great
3. Phoebe Fox - The Great
4. Jennifer Jason Leigh - Fargo
5. Charity Wakefield - The Great
6. Jamie Lee-Curtis - The Bear
7. Sophie Okonedo - Slow Horses
8. Kristin Scott Thomas - Slow Horses
9. Judith Light - Poker Face
10. Linda Edmond - Only Murders in the Building
Louis: Your top 15 TV episodes of 2023?
And thoughts on #1-8, Richa Moorjani and Dave Foley.
Louis: Could I get your thoughts on Nathan for You and A Small Light?
Would have put Moorjani and Foley higher and Hamm lower (blame Iron Claw, I kept imagining Holt McCallany as Roy).
I agree with the top 3 (thought not necessarily in that order), and I think the last few episodes REALLY showed a side of Joe Keery I was hoping we’d see.
Watching this made me realize that Goldblum could've been a great Riddler.
Louis: Thoughts on Choi in Riceboy Sleeps.
Any new thoughts on Oldman in Slow Horses.
And thoughts on any of the performances in your top 10s that you haven't discussed yet.
Louis: Thoughts on this.
youtube.com/watch?v=pAO2y3kqkl0
Louis: What is Slow Horses like? because I was tempted to watch it, in a Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy/Spy Who Came in from the Cold kind of way if it is anything like a John Le Carré novel.
Louis: Thoughts on the BAFTA nominations.
Andrew Scott missed!!! how did that happen, Colman Domingo is probably number 5 at the Oscars now.
Oscar nominations look really interesting now, early on in the season it seemed obvious and predictable but not anymore.
I reckon the Oscars are gonna be really divided, theres gonna be so many snubs I think lol.
I watched All of Us Strangers two nights ago and was totally transfixed by it. Andrew Scott's snub is just baffling.
Regarding Bafta (which really didn't help much in terms of predictions:
Film:
PGA top ten seems like a good bet, as All of Us Strangers didn't overperform to its apex by getting in here. Killers' nomination seems a little halfhearted because it missed screenplay, but regardless it still got in. Oppenheimer truly seems a juggernaut at this point (which fine by me). And great, if expected gets, for Anatomy of a Fall and Poor Things. The Holdovers doing so well here though is notable.
Director:
Important to remember only the top 2 got in based on votes which means Nolan................................................................................................................................................................................................................and someone. Could've been Triet, could've been Payne honestly.
Original Screenplay:
Gross Maestro nomination. But regardless, big miss for May December, which could still sneak in at Oscar, but it's on life support. Otherwise expected show of strength for Anatomy, Barbie and The Holdovers. And Past Lives securing its position.
Adapted Screenplay:
Surprise Zone of Interest recognition here, leaving off Killers, but still recognizing American Fiction (even though it only did okay overall). Oppenheimer and Zone of course are secure. All of Us Strangers also expectedly showing up here for here, but essential to maybe spoiler in the Academy five, which is seeming so tight maybe American Fiction is over Killers, we'll see.
Actress:
Again only the top three matter in terms of predictions, which by the other nominations would've been Stone, Huller and probably Mulligan, though you could sell me on Robbie (though Barbie didn't overperform here so maybe not). Barrino and Oparah were definitely jury saves. But huge miss for Gladstone, I don't think it takes her out of win contention, but that hurt her a great deal.
Actors:
WELL this didn't help at all in terms of predictions, As I think the top three probably was so obvious in Murphy, Cooper and Giamatti, that means the rest were jury saves. So Scott could've been #4, we just don't know. So no I don't think Domingo is guaranteed a spot now, nor Keoghan nor Yoo.
Supporting Actress:
Hmm top three of Randolph, Blunt.....and you could sell me on any of the rest. So also doesn't help, but if it was Foy, potential spoiler for Oscar.
Supporting Actor:
Yeah so De Niro, Gosling and Downey clearly were the top three all through the season in terms of votes. So this too doesn't as Mescal or Sessa could've been #4 or could've been jury saves. So again this doesn't help with predictions at all.
I'm especially suprised by Scott snub due to how he's had good history with BAFTA and BIFA, while Rustin getting a sole Domingo nomination is something American critics would do beacuse of the film's subject matter.
Ytrewq: Only because of the subject matter, and not the quality of the performance?
Tony: I still have to see Rustin and form my opinion on Domingo, but films like this have always been the contenders in some way during awards seasons regardless of quality.
Yeah, so this is what I'm thinking
Lead:
Giamatti
Murphy
Cooper
Domingo
Wright
Supporting:
De Niro
Downey
Gosling
Ruffalo
Dafoe
Louis: your 2020s Casts and Directors for What Ever Happened To Baby Jane? and The Graduate?
Louis and anyone interested in history: Do you think Alec Baldwin would've been a good person to potray Millard Fillmore?
For obvious reason this may be the most famous presidential fancast in history, but I doubt he'd be able to pull this off. Playing loud authority figures is after all his main niche and from what I gathered Fillmore was probably the most boring person to ever hold the office.
My gues:
Lead:
Murphy
Cooper
Giamatti
Wright
Scott
Supporting:
Downey
De Niro
Gosling
Dafoe
Brown
Anonymous:
Spruell - (The biggest swing the whole season, which I thoroughly enjoyed, in a large part because of Spruell's performance. Honestly if he was off at all, this part would've fallen completely flat. And this is one of the two performances, that is essentially an unraveling of the truth of the character, which is what you initially expect. As he's first the unrelenting killer seemingly, which Spruell already gave his already successful variation on the kind of menace of the character. Something that expands on through the characters way of speaking, which Spruell manages to make work as this sort of purposefully ancient speak where everything he says is of some mythical importance. Spruell manages to find a balance between this kind of quality that is beyond the world, while also making it seem natural from this character at the same time, which is no minor feat. And where it throws him into a certain sequence of complete animalistic insanity, where Spruell captures the fear of some lost man centuries old, then sort of the hellspawn spirit with just throwing himself within in a way where again he's convincing as ridiculous as it is. And he becomes almost this kind of observer of behavior where there's menace almost in the way he's so specifically detached in his connection yet attached in his way of seeming to take in the behaviors of others. Leading his final actions almost to the side of the main plot, which I actually did like in its oddity, though I liked most was his final scene as Chigurh, yet completely different where I loved Spruell's way of slowly moving away from sort of the evil fixation to something else, and absolutely adored his final reaction. And again, I don't think any of this would've worked if the performance wasn't dialed in exactly, but Spruell absolutely was.)
Temple - (In some ways what if Marge was Jean. And Temple runs with the idea of bringing this happy go lucky quality with a steely conviction, again a combination that should be completely ridiculous but Temple's just on point in just exuding this particular strange tone in a way that is always convincing. And Temple delivers this by bringing the layers to it where you see that the joy isn't a facade rather it is the most purposeful desire on her part and at all times she expresses it as essentially an end goal regardless. The goal that we then see as part of his determination in every moment in which she goes about taking on the villains typically single handedly, which manages to feel earned because Temple is so dialed in. And this is also though mixed in with the sense of the wear of the past, as something she is emotionally damaged by again though as something she never wants to have to return to.)
Leigh - (I retract any criticism as her work in the early episodes sets up where she will go for the rest of the season, which is technically one of the surprises. And part of the reason it works is Leigh makes you think she is going to be one kind of character right away where she's just the snobby mother-in-law who has her passive aggressive asides and just seems annoyed by having to deal with her son and his pesky wife. But really in just a few episodes we see the first break where when Temple semi-threatens her, and Leigh's reaction suddenly reveals the real person behind it and her performance changes from then on. And Leigh naturally reveals sort of the more genuine individual. The individual who does have her own power where these moments Leigh absolutely takes complete ownership of where there's such an ease about her yet her power in these scenes is unquestioned. But also in the sense of where she denotes a quiet genuine concern that slowly reveals itself, that again makes a particular striking impact, moving even, because Leigh is able to bring it out of a character you think you have pegged down from frame one.)
Hamm - (The character ended up being more surprisingly straightforward in his evil than I expected him to be, or at least I thought where it would be going would've made him a minor evil. Regardless, I thought Hamm effectively delivered the sort of constant intense bluster of the self-righteous fiend who basically presented himself as the strong silent type despite being in fact just a twisted maniac. And I thought Hamm effectively played the note of the surface pompousness that is only just barely covering the vicious pathetic hate filled man just beneath that, and effectively made a purely hateable villain.)
Matchett - (Moving just in her sequence in creating this state of the deeply broken at one time, where that pain is still ever present, but with this sort of almost unbelievable sense of clarity now in her manner as someone who has risen above it. Which is of course entirely the point.)
Keery - (I wouldn't say a complete subversion of his expected presence as in many ways he is the hapless Steve here too, just in service of evil rather than good, and just is as much of a fool more moments than not. And Keery is good at doing this in a way where he's comedic without being overly goofy. Later on though Keery does get to do a bit more bringing a greater desperation to the character and being convincing in going to a somewhat darker place if defined by his foolishness. While also being effective in being purely lost, and showing enough nuance in conveying the very real connection with his mother still if sort of buried away in the weak fool his father has crafted out of him instead.)
Morris - (Brings the right earnestness to the part as the cop who is appreciative wants to help and will do whatever he can, despite maybe not being entirely prepared for it. And I liked that where he brought the sort of conviction of someone who will always try to do the right thing he at the same time undercuts by just showing that this is someone trying and forcing themselves to be the hero because it is the right thing, even if he might not be entirely ready for the job.)
Rysdahl - (Was not sure about his performance early on but ended up finding the simplicity of the character's want just to have his family be safe and happy, ends up being quite endearing particularly later where he does quietly show the emotional wear of the situation just beneath his still beaming smile as he tries to keep it together no matter what.)
Moorjani - (I actually entirely liked her performance, where I think she played sort of the chipper cop subversion well, in that it's her innate disposition however everything on her is being put upon by society, and plays that sort of frustrations just within the attempt to be happy, creating the right sense of her nature that is being put to the test. I'll say though I do think she and Morris could've been merged, as I hated her husband's side plot, as it was just too obvious and one note, and hard to believe she'd even be with such a hapless fool.)
Foley - (I don't know maybe I just didn't like the eye patch. Regardless I did like his later scenes where I did think Foley went beyond the constantly overly distant lawyer, to show maybe just a little bit of genuine care beneath the surface, particularly his reaction to when Morris is talking to him., where Foley managed to bring enough nuance in the moment.)
Tony:
Nathan For You is a series of hilarious different setups that I think works in contrast to how straight-faced Fiedler is in his dry approach to selling completely insane ideas.
A Small Light successfully finds a different avenue for the Anne Frank story by telling it from the perspective of Miep Gies, and doing so in a way that offers a different insight into a story we already know. In that we get the perspective and tension of the person hiding those who are being hunted, and in this world of being oppressed. Getting into the very greater specifics of what one would have to do in such desperate situations, all told in a fairly slick way, that purposefully I think takes a more entertaining approach, without really feeling like it is too soft either.
Luke:
Choi - (A performance that much like other elements of the film purposefully challenges a bit more because her character isn't particularly endearing and it is interesting that it very much emphasizes a harsher tone in terms of the use of English that is purposefully more broken. Her performance works though in bringing these qualities out in a very blunt way, particularly the moments with her son where she really is a very aggressive parent at times. She manages to portray this certain sense of the character being fashioned in her state of hardship and comes right after anyone or anything challenging her. And she manages in there, somewhere, to hint at the warmth and the care that does propel her to be so intense, and it works in a wholly convincing portrait of this particularly difficult struggle.)
I don't really need to add anything on Oldman, other than to say season 3 was a great season for him in just getting to pry his trade of the smartest guy in the room while being the most uncouth.
Powley - (A performance that very much cultivates and makes the tone of the piece work. Because she very much needs to be just very charismatic much of the time where she is has this ability here for moments of levity which she makes very natural and brings a wonderful ease in certain moments. However she carefully never goes too far with this showing that within that even there's this quiet sense of urgency and frustration in dealing with the world. And more than anything Powley gives such life to every scene, and completely flows with the extreme shifts between the scenes to naturally make the swings work by showing the way Miep is either trying to make the best of it, trying to keep a face in the worst of it, while also still being worn down by all of it.)
Schreiber - (I mean Otto Frank is almost guaranteed to be a heartbreaking part, and Schreiber's final scenes are absolutely that where he brings just that quiet sorrow to the character in a way that is more heart wrenching by showing the man just trying to still live while having lost everything. At the same time he really offers a bit of a successful different approach to the character in his early scenes by bringing both the warmth you see in Schildkraut's performance, but also much more of this blunt frustration of a man who does very much understand the insanity of the tragedy that his family is forced into. Very nicely playing the frustrated moments as a real person who would have these feelings and not just a saint.)
I mean Oldman's not wrong there, it is far from his best work, and I'd say it in fact shows signs of an actor not knowing entirely what the point of his character is, even though I don't think he's bad.
RatedRStar:
It's in a middle ground between Le Carre and Bond, filtered through an Armando Iannuci style. In that there are aspects of the more oppressive aspects of the spy life and the cutthroat elements within the organization. But there is also sort of more actiony spy stuff, even if it is always decidedly not overly romantic and more down and dirty, as again it has a purposefully grungy comedic underlying style. I'd recommend it if that sounds like something you'd like, though I'd note series 2 & 3 are both superior to 1, which is largely good I just hated the villains in that one.
I think it's worth mentioning that Dicaprio himself has deferred the spotlight to Gladstone/Scorsese/the overall film and its backstory when he's recently done press. The Academy does like him a great deal, so he could still get in, but he's taken more of a backseat overall.
Louis: Aside from Oldman, are there any performances that really stood out to you in Season 2 of Slow Horses.
Louis: Was there even 1 performer that stood out to you in The Boys In The Boat.
Louis: Thoughts on Aimee-Ffion Edwards, Kadiff Kirwan, Sophie Okonedo, Rade Serbedzija, Alec Utgoff, Adrian Rawlins, Tamsin Topolski & Sope Dirisu in Slow Horses.
can someone tell me where i can find louis's thoughts on the cast of Maestro?
Tim:
What Ever Happened to Baby Jane 2020's directed by Alejandro Amenábar:
Jane Hudson: Naomi Watts
Blanche Hudson: Nicole Kidman
Edwin Flagg: Harry Melling
The Graduate 2020's directed by Nathan Fielder:
Benjamin Braddock: Lewis Pullman
Mrs. Robinson: Tonni Collette
Mr. Braddock: Bill Pullman
Mr. Robinson: Bill Camp
Elaine Robinson: Kaitlyn Dever
Room Clerk: Nathan Fielder
Ytrewq:
No, although I also doubt Baldwin's range in general.
Anonymous:
Edwards - (Enjoyed her firebrand energy where she was just seething with a bit of rage at every moment, and creates it well as the innate state of someone who's a bit fed up. And manages that well to create enough of a sense of filtering it to ability in their line of work, but also maybe a bit too intense at the same time. I in particular enjoyed her chemistry with Kirwan in season 3, where they had a wonderful banter of a proper hating pair that just also seemed right in their particular ire for one another.)
Kirwan - (Enjoyable mix of tough guy and kind of hapless man at the same time in every other department and is convincing in really playing both sides often on a quick switch at times. And again great chemistry with Edwards.)
Okonedo - (Think I spoke on her before however, great reprise in series three as you get her and Scott Thomas getting to be mutually hateful with such quietly cold disdain and control, which it is lovely to watch the two spare together in that way.)
Sebedzija - (Pretty much his typical performance, which when used correctly is effective enough, and that is the case here. Regardless I do think in his final scene with Oldman there is a bit more nuance, where he brings a bit more vulnerability than you'd expect from him almost to the point where he more clearly shows his motivation, which is a wonderfully performed moment.)
Didn't find Utgoff very memorable either way.
Rawlins & Topolski - (Enjoyed the fake out of Rawlins as the man of few words who seems stressed about something, that works as the reveal and then afterwards just being a normal guy somewhat confused. And Topolski brings a nice vibrant life to her scenes with a nice down to earth energy, that manages to make her moments later on decently moving as she too reacts to the odd reveal with a honest sort of practical kind of reaction. )
Anonymous: He gave thoughts on Mulligan in the latest backlog lineup post.
Louis: Re: BAFTAs, do you think there's an actual chance now that Ruffalo gets snubbed? I didn't think much of his missing SAG as they are consistently pretty random with at least one nominee per category, but missing both makes me think any two of Dafoe, Sessa, Melton, and Mescal will make the final two.
Ytrewq: Just to make sure I understand what you're saying, by "films like this" are you referring to films based on themes of social justice?
Louis: Your top 5 Nathan for You episodes, and your thoughts on Finding Frances.
So, I just caught up with Poor Things and I gotta say, it's fucking incredible. I ever so slightly prefer The Favourite for its sharper, slick pacing, but it's still outstanding all the way through.
Stone: 5 (I would hate having to vote for her ahead of Gladstone, but goddamn, she's spectacular here)
Ruffalo: 4.5
Dafoe: 4.5
Youssef: 4
Carmichael: 4
Abbott: 3.5
Hunter: 4
Qualley: 3.5
Schygulla: 3
Bemba: 3
Tony: I know you asked Louis, but you mind if I give mine? I'm just glad to see some appreciation for the show on here. Wasn't too sure if anyone here had seen it.
1. Dumb Starbucks
2. The Movement
3. The Anecdote
4. The Claw of Shame
5. Souvenir Shop/ELAIFF
Very HM to Finding Frances.
Louis: I've noticed that in the iconic "Some men just want to watch the world burn", Bruce and Alfred are both right and wrong.
Alfred notes that Joker isn't your typical criminal, but the Joker isn't doing what he wants just for shits and giggles. As we see later, he wants to prove that good people can be just as cruel and wretched as he is.
And Bruce is right that the Joker wants something, but wrong that criminals aren't complicated.
Tony: Yeah, pretty much.
Louis: Thoughts on Joe Cole, Billie Boullet, Ashley Brooke and Noah Taylor in A Small Light?
Tahmeed:
I'm probably going to still predict him, because again a BAFTA snub means a lot less than it used to, particularly when the top three in supporting actors are so clearly defined in Downey, De Niro and Gosling. BUT you could sell me on those last two spots going to any combination of Dafoe, Ruffalo, Sessa (who was in all likelihood a jury save but The Holdovers seems to be surging at the right time), Melton or Brown.
Louis: Your rating and thoughts on Constance Chapman in In Celebration.
Louis: Your thoughts on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, The Colbert Report, and Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, if you've watched enough of them to have opinions.
Louis: Your thoughts on Dafoe playing the vampire hunter in Eggers' Nosferatu.
I did want him to reprise the part of Count Orlok, but hey, I'm happy that he's in the film and looking forward to his performance as a vampire hunter.
Also, thoughts on what I said regarding the "Some men just want to watch the world burn" scene.
Louis: Cast and director for a film regarding the Second Punic War?
Louis: Any new thoughts on the cast of The New World.
Has Kilcher gone up to a 5 and where would you now rank her for Best Actress 2005.
I'm delighted you loved The New World this time around. Has Kilcher gone up to 2nd or 3rd in the ranking.
Thoughts on the Cinematography.
Told ya years ago the longer cut was better. So much more breathing room.
Anonymous:
Cole - (Just a solid leading turn from him where he's very good at being just modestly charming and charismatic.He presents him effectively as not necessarily the biggest man in the room, but has something that draws you in about him. Meanwhile, having an effective chemistry with Powley with a nice give and take where there's a bit of bickering and warmth, that the two naturally flow between in a way that endears you to their relationship, which was somewhat defined by circumstance. Additionally though he is very effective in portraying the character's quiet passion and own fundamental need to do something about the treatment of others around. Creating the right sense of the held in outrage of a man who is trying in his small ways to do the right thing, when even the small ways could be deadly.)
Boullet - (I think rightly doesn't play it with any sense of weight of the character so to speak and instead effectively comes at the part as any teenage girl who has a few too many words and ideas to herself. Although in a way those in the attic purposefully aren't the focus, rightly in that we've definitely seen that story told before, what we instead see is the way Miep sees her, as often the hyperactive little sister that she both loves and can be frustrated by. And Boullet's performance nicely balances the two sides in showing an endearing spirit in Anne, that also can be a bit too much at times as well.)
Brooke - (As per usual not the focus, but good in portraying just the more level headed contrast to Anne throughout her scenes, and giving moving moments in just providing a genuine sense of the atmosphere of fear, but contrasting that well with the moments of joy that are found.)
Taylor - (Has a fairly small part in the scheme of things, though a completely different depiction from Ed Wynn's version of the man. Taylor though is very moving in just portraying the quiet dread that is inflicting the man as he asks for help and bringing just the most earnest joy of the man in finding any relief. Following that with some brief but impactful moments of the character as he tries to connect with his wife even when completely separate from her.)
Luke:
Not much to say, she's fine but the focus of the film is on the men.
Tony:
Haven't thought about the episodes in a bit, so give me some time on that.
I don't think I ever watched a complete episode with any of them, enjoyed some random correspondent bits from The Daily Show, some random bits from the Colbert report and haven't seen too much from Oliver, perhaps, and I'll admit this isn't my most logical criticism, I just find his voice a bit grating.
8000's:
That's very true, and shows a strength of the Alfred/Bruce dynamic in that film because they truly are a team in seeing things from different angles.
I'm fine with Dafoe not reprising Orlok, since we instead get something entirely new from him, and judging by that first image of him in the part, it looks like it could be something special.
Tahmeed:
The Second Punic Wars directed by Robert Eggers (and yes he'll be my go to choice for any ancient history film until further notice):
Scipio (Younger): Robert Pattinson
Fabius: Mark Rylance
Scipio (Elder): Claes Bang
Hannibal: Tahar Rahim
Louis: Your thoughts on these Casino scenes?
Cheater's justice
Nicky threatens a banker/Ace argues with Nicky in his house
Desert meeting
Artie Piscano's fate
House of the Rising Sun
Ace's final speech
Louis: Have you finished any of the TV recommendations.
And ratings & thoughts on the cast of Concrete Utopia.
Louis: rating & thoughts of the cast in All Dirt Roads Taste Of Salt?
Luke:
Kilcher would be up to a five, as just what in the director's cut allows her and all the key performances to resonate more. I can see why Plummer was frustrated by the film, as he certainly is going all in on every scene, and frankly I wouldn't have put it past Malick to film a whole film's worth of story with Captain Newport.
Thomas:
3rd.
I mean the cinematography is one aspect that wasn't at all harmed by the inferior cut, other than there were fewer gorgeous shots, which this film is only gorgeous shots. And really every moment is beautiful in the film, and crafted as a painting whether the greatest paintings of landscapes you might've seen, each that grant you the real texture and atmosphere of the place, and also just the beauty of really the human expression. All within Lubezki's way about the camera movements that make truly at times this wonderful dream.
Luke:
Lee - 4.5(I mean come on, he's always delivering it will forever be a shame on Hollywood that they bring over a great actor only to immediately make him jaded by wasting him in perpetual garbage. Anyway with that aside this just again goes to show his range, well again showing just what a powerful presence he is on screen, and frankly one of the actors with the most innate presence working currently. Here's a fascinating work in the opening. His performance is almost comedic in his reactions in showing the man nearly lost, and more than a bit fearful himself, and his initial choices are of these almost instinctual moments of reactionary fear. Something that slowly grows into a potent strength that of course Lee sells with ease and with a dangerous intensity as the man who begins to proclaim orders as he sees fit. Something that again he naturally moves towards becoming more and more menacing in the danger he brings in this viciousness. While of course then successfully subverting that in the end, and making his sudden fall as convincing as we saw in his more gradual rise.)
Park Seo-joon - 3.5(He's perfectly fine though I don't think he stands out too much, being overshadowed by both Lee and the other Park. Nonetheless he does have some good moments in there in terms of portraying the character's conflict between his desperate selfish choices and some actual empathy.)
Park Bo-young - 4(Works consistently in terms of portraying just straightforward empathy throughout but finds nuances even if this is a consistent quality of the character. She brings the right earnestness to the character that manages to always convince you, and also is particularly effective in the moments of genuine distress that illustrate just how much she really does genuinely care.)
Kim - 3.5(Effective in portraying the constantly phony sort of smiling face of a public outreach program while doing horrible things, and subverts that fairly effectively in then going completely insane later on.)
Park Ji-hu - 3.5(Found her bits moving in bringing just this withdrawn emotional desperation but also consistency that makes you quickly invested in her character.)
Matthew:
Everyone's hand acting was "On POINT", but jokes aside, I thought everyone was fine, but don't think anyone managed to rise above the constraints of the style.
Tony:
Cheater's justice is probably the best scene in the film as it goes along with something that Scorsese simply does better than anyone which is portraying the process, and he does that brilliantly here in showing first each step of the cheat, then each step of dealing with the cheat in a blunt and brutal fashion. And the funny thing is part of why it is so compelling, where another lesser filmmaker probably would falter, is that by actually going bit by bit of the process of both the cheaters and of the casino operators it makes that much more compelling as we're in on both.
I mean Pesci being violent is always captivating in some kind of way and that's certainly the case in the hair trigger in his reaction to the banker, though as my feeling goes I feel such scenes had been better realized and been really done to their proper conclusion with Goodfellas. The bigger problem is for me, and I think the acting is good in the scene, is just don't really care about either Ace or Nicky in any way, so care even less about their conflict.
Louis: Thoughts on this track from The New World.
youtube.com/watch?v=a-Q9xHVOpSI&pp=ygUndGhlIG5ldyB3b3JsZCBwb2NhaG9udGFzIGFuZCBqb2huIHNtaXRo
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