Wednesday 3 January 2024

Alternate Best Actor 1988: Eric Bogosian in Talk Radio

Eric Bogosian did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying Barry Champlain in Talk Radio.

Talk Radio tells the story of a shock jock radio host just before his show is about to go national.

The always reliable character actor Eric Bogosian actually crafted his own lead role as this is a reprise of his performance in a stage play that he also penned, and co-wrote the screenplay here. All of this makes sense as the role of a radio host seems ideal for Bogosian given his idiosyncratic voice with its timbre that is of a filling consistency, aka an ideal radio voice. Bogosian sounds like he should host a radio show, so playing a radio host already is perfect, but of course Talk Radio isn't about a DJ hosting any standard radio show. Instead what Bogosian Barry hosts is talk radio show designed to interact with the most fringe, and often hateful elements of society, as we see through the extended opening sequence that depicts a night of callers for Barry's show. It can only be said that Bogosian is stellar in every single moment of Barry as the radio performer. Because it is a performance, just as there are also elements of Barry the man, but he's going about attacking the program as this kind of almost weird song and dance. And while Bogosian isn't literally singing he almost might as well be in terms of the way the words flow out of his mouth in these sequences. He's on, with the radio voice, and when starting to speak there's no hesitation, no thinking seemingly, he's just ready to go. And it is easy to be convinced of the success of Barry's show immediately because Bogosian's work is immediately captivating, even often in a way of morbid fascination.

Bogosian's performance has a unique power to it, because what Barry's place within the radio show is both the man playing off of the fringe, as seemingly speaking some sensible aspect of society speaking against those insane callers he gets, while also being just as much right within the fringe with methods in which he uses in this strange format of combat. Every call Bogosian performs as both a battle and a dance, but what is behind it all is a strange kind of hatred being bounced around. There are the moments of the most hateful callers calling simply to state their hate, or to threaten Barry even, and Bogosian performs these early on with the same hostility though couched within the natural flow of a comedian who is savoring the hate as something he can play with. When it is one of the strange callers, where we never quite find out how many are hoaxers, exhibitionist, or genuine articles within their strangeness, Bogosian's performance is the one simply playing with them often with a bit of an sneer but just as much ease as he's allowing the nonsense to go on while also undercutting it. Then there are the callers who call in with a degree of support or love for Barry, and these perhaps speak most to the nature of Barry himself, as he responds to them with his own disgusted hatred towards any affection, that reveals Barry's own self-loathing, yet even when carelessly insulting those supporting him, Bogosian's performance still keeps that same slick edge of performance. And that is what is so captivating, is how convincing Bogosian makes this performance art, of the man who is juggling, he is dancing, he is singing, but the elements he's doing that with is for entertainment based around hatred, shock and morbidity.

The radio scenes are what make the film great, and it is easy to see why the stage version would've been successful, which were only based in the radio station, as that is where the film absolutely works. Outside of the scenes of performance, is where the film itself is less good, but where Bogosian still thrives within his performance, because he uses these scenes effectively to help inform us of what exactly is true and what isn't about his onscreen persona. As the first radio sequence, we see Barry checking in with his staff who are talking about his moment as he's about to go national. And what we see in Bogosian's work is in a way a less convincing performance in terms of what Barry is doing, but as convincing in terms of what Bogosian is doing. Because Barry still puts on the edge a bit with those at the station, as he seems to be dismissive, yet when speaking about the chance to go national Bogosian couches genuine nervousness and desperation within the persona. Bogosian lets moments slip showing the man who really does want to have his radio show be successful, even with the "suits" he still tries to the best of his ability to put on his sardonic manner even then. Bogosian artfully shows the sort of breaks even with a certain control within that. The one place where we see even less than that are the moments with his wife (Ellen Greene) which are two sides, those before his show and those after.

In terms of the writing the scenes involving Green are the weakest in the film, as they're just pretty rote and basic moments of a guy losing himself to fame against his loyal wife. Regardless, Bogosian does make the most out of using these scenes in terms of showing where Barry sort of crafted his radio personality from. The earliest scenes of Barry being that of the enthusiastic wannabe, where there are shades of the man, but a much more positive direction. Where his remarkable voice leads him to being invited to guest on another radio show where a trolling caller leads to Barry's first sort of dive into the Barry personality we know now. Bogosian's great in this moment because he shows it as less of an invention and more so an immediate inspiration, almost an insatiable urge to go into the combative sardonic style that we see so dominant in him in the future. However in the present, when with his wife, we seem to see the best Barry, where Bogosian pulls back the intensity of the personality, to show a quieter, more humble, even somewhat ashamed man, trying to reconcile with his wife. Where Bogosian hides the personality and seems to show Barry completely through, even if for a moment, and perhaps a better side. But what is notable, is Bogosian's choice to be so meek in these moments, showing that there is so much bluster behind the personality that is hiding the weak man.

The film does come together for the final act with Barry's final radio broadcast, where he takes on some particularly extreme callers including even bringing in a guest in a drugged out man (Michael Wincott). Bogosian's performance is outstanding in this sequence because again it is just captivating to see him run his show, but there's more here as it becomes the most challenging. We have a key moment where a man claiming to be a serial rapist calls, and Bogosian's performance is exceptional in the moment in showing just a bit of active deterioration that goes to show a hint of horror in Barry's eyes as he comes to believe the caller. Bogosian pulling back just enough being so powerful in indicating a bit of humanity. This though is purposefully undercut as when his wife calls him live to essentially ask about their relationship where Barry pours all the bile he can in response before going off on a tirade basically of all of humanity. Bogosian is magnetic but also so brilliantly wretched in basically this intense release of every bit of hatred, but also self-loathing pouring out in the sequence. Creating this moment of a controlled mania where it is unleashing every bit of ire he's held in, while also essentially giving fully to his trade of miring in the muck for the sake of entertainment.  It is a full mental breakdown in Bogosian's hands, but still all pointed as this weaponized insanity. Bogosian is flawless in the moment because he manages to merge the man with the personality, and it isn't beautiful rather deeply disturbing in seeing the man being simultaneously sickened by what he has become while also fully embracing it. And even while the film has weaker aspects to it, Bogosian is never one of them. His work is complete in creating a singular portrait of a man becoming one with his nightmarish creation.

144 comments:

Matt Mustin said...

Thoughts on Michael Wincott?

Anonymous said...

Louis: thoughts on the trailer for The First Omen?

Mitchell Murray said...

Well, I finished playing "The Last of Us: Part 2" tonight, which was actually a longer playthrough than I was expecting. Any player whose labelled it as terrible and/or trash clearly doesn't have the right criteria in mind. This game is too visually stunning, mechanically sound and potently acted to be called truely bad. In terms of the writing and pacing, though, I can understand some of the criticism more, and I would personally say it's weaker than the first game.

The narrative structure of the original "Last of Us" was very straightforward and very effective. It was a journey both physically and emotionally, and we spent just the right amount of time in each of the areas Joel/Ellie came across. This game tries something different in showing the same periods of time through both our leads. Ellie's perspective is handled well in general, mostly as her end goal is rather clear cut, and her scenes with Dina are quite genuine.

Abby's side of the story is where things get a bit messy. The character's conflicted emotions aren't an inherent problem. Laura Bailey's performance certainly isn't a problem. And to all the internet trolls, Abby's build also isn't a problem, though it's a bit inconsistent in it's rendering. That said, I just thought Abby's half of the story was bogged down by a great deal of sideplots, worldbuilding and down time. The game writers essentially place the bulk of the new places/factions in her half, which I think losses some momentum and tension for the main plot. Her journey feels a bit more meandering compared to Ellie's, and has a few more moments that don't properly land (There's one scene between Abby and Owen that I didn't buy for a second!) Many of these scenes/events are still compelling in their own way, but there framed in a manner that's not always engaging or efficiently paced.

My initial first impression with this game overall is that perhaps they could've trimmed things down - maybe even chosen one character to follow, or at least divide their experiences/content more evenly. Instead we have a game that's not too much longer than it's predeccesor, but feels distinctly longer due to how the story is organized and presented. Don't get me wrong, there's still a lot to like about TLOUP2. There's some strong acting from Baker, Johnson and Bailey, especially. There's some ambitious and bold choices in character direction. There's an upgraded combat system that feels tense and tangible. There's a challenging thematic exploration of the hollowness in revenge, and how much it ends up costing you. There's enough isolated aspects of the game for me to call it great - I just don't know right now if all of the plotting/writing also make it great.

Matt Mustin said...

Also I've always liked Eric Bogosian whenever he's popped up in stuff, kind of a shame his film career never really "took off" like it could have.

Louis: Have you read any of the James Bond novels and if so which actor would you say came closest to capturing the character Fleming wrote?

Anonymous said...

Louis: Thoughts on the cast and direction of Noah.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the ending of Killers of the Flower Moon?

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings for the Noah cast as well.

Luke Higham said...

That First Omen trailer kinda took me by surprise. I'm pleased that they're going with the 70s aesthetic and I do appreciate that they've tried to make Ineson look more like Troughton.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Your Aronofsky ranking.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your thoughts on this scene https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c-ecbGNxEHM

Anonymous said...

Louis, thoughts on Noah's Production Design, Visual Effects, Costume Design and Makeup & Hairstyling.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Your thoughts on 'Fishes' from The Bear?

Jonathan Williams said...

Louis: Thoughts on the Sound Effects Editing of Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Thoughts on Eric Bogosian and Ashley Zukerman in Succession?

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis: Your past roles for Eric Bogosian?

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your rating and thoughts on Tatsuo Saito in I Was Born But.

8000S said...

Louis: Rating and thoughts on Yoshiko Kuga, Hizuru Takachiho and Ineko Arima in Zero Focus.

Tony Kim said...

Kinda cracks me up that Louis has apparently seen nearly every Ozu film *except* Tokyo Story.

Mitchell Murray said...

I will say the trailer for "The First Omen" was surprisingly intriguing. Unlike a certain recent movie based on certain real exorcist, I didn't show the ENTIRE story for once. I just thought it was smartly put together, and the Fever Ray music was an inspired choice.

Mitchell Murray said...

Also, for Louis and everyone...thoughts on the following clips from "Graham Norton"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXyXb4PMPrs&ab_channel=BBC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuXGpUR7fXA&ab_channel=TheGrahamNortonShow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpO7Rsamars&ab_channel=TheGrahamNortonShow

Luke Higham said...

Mitchell: He's definitely seen the 2nd clip. That's probably the best chat show moment in the last decade.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: As I understand you've done the same for Dylan and Springsteen, your brief thoughts on Elvis Costello and Tom Waits as musicians, and your top 5 songs from each?

RatedRStar said...

RIP Glynis Johns

Luke Higham said...

RIP Glynis Johns

8000S said...

Tony: He hasn't seen Floating Weeds, Good Morning and An Autumn Afternoon yet.

Luke: Think Hara and Kyo will get fives for Tokyo Story and Floating Weeds? They're fives in my book.

8000S said...

R.I.P. Glynis Johns.

Matt Mustin said...

RIP Glynis Johns

Matthew Montada said...

Louis: ratings for the cast of Society Of The Snow?

I watched the movie earlier today and found it really good

Enzo Vogrincic Roldán - 4.5
Matías Recalt - 4
Agustín Pardella - 4
Tomas Wolf - 3.5
Diego Vegezzi - 4
Esteban Kukuriczka - 4
Francisco Romero - 3.5
Rafael Federman - 3.5
Felipe González Otaño - 3.5
Agustín Della Corte - 3.5
Valentino Alonso - 4
Simón Hempe - 3.5
Esteban Bigliardi - 3
Rocco Posca - 3.5
Fernando Contigiani García - 3

I have also seen All Dirt Roads Taste Of Salt & Fallen Leaves, both of which i liked a lot (Fallen Leaves in particular being one of my favorites of the year)

All Dirt Roads Taste Of Salt:
Charleen McClure - 4
Moses Ingram - 3.5
Reginald Helms Jr. - 4
Zainab Jah - 3.5
Sheila Atim - 3
Chris Chalk - 2.5

Fallen Leaves:
Alma Pöysti - 5
Jussi Vatanen - 4.5
Janne Hyytiäinen - 3.5


RIP Glynis Johns

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast of Society Of The Snow.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: What were your 4s for both Actress and Supporting Actress 1971 and 1985. I forgot to ask about it 8 years ago and I'm curious as to what category you place Francesca Annis in for Macbeth.

Anonymous said...

https://www.bafta.org/film/longlists-2024-ee-bafta-film-awards The BAFTA longlists were announced.

Anonymous said...

Louis, ratings and thoughts on Ledoux and Cuny in The Devil's Envoys.

Emi Grant said...

Melton missed the shortlist, but Sessa being in contention kind of softens the blow.

ruthiehenshallfan99 said...

RIP Glynis Johns

This one hurts

Calvin Law said...

I have four words regarding the BAFTA longlists:

Teo Yoo, Hell Yeah.

Luke Higham said...

RIP David Soul

Bryan L. said...

Barbie has been moved to the Adapted Screenplay category by the Academy.

Anonymous said...

Louis thoughts on the BAFTA longlists, and could you give a rundown on the chances of each of those on the acting lists?

Matt Mustin said...

Bryan L: That's the right call, but it's not gonna win no matter which category it's in.

Louis Morgan said...

Matt:

Wincott's performance is a bit of an alteration from his expected presence given he typically plays much more mature roles, and here is playing a young burn out. Wincott's work is very different, as even his usually strikingly deep voice, he raises a bit, to create this particularly unpleasant, though wholly convincing voice of a fairly demented youth. A voice that he uses here seemingly always prods just that bit more with his performance and is nails on the chalkboard in the right way. Wincott's work goes beyond that though creating this state of a man both purposefully being an exhibition in his sort of playing up, while in a drug haze, his mania, while also being in this sort shy awe of being in front of his "hero". He manages to create a convincing blend of this sort of seeming active deterioration of society right in front of Bogosian's Barry that goes from seemingly obnoxious though harmless, to a bit more insidious and vicious in his callousness.

Anonymous:

Speaks to my view of the film/performance, which is what if Jack Nicholson starred in a sitcom, and such a scene fits that as basically it is a setup for his curmudgeonly one liner.

Matt:

Dalton I would say in terms of manner and presence, is probably the closest, though less so in terms of how his character was written.

Anonymous:

Crowe - 4(Largely just depends on his always dependable striking presence as an actor where Crowe knows how to bring gravitas with ease, and can really sell any notion no matter how grandiose or seemingly ridiculous. And that is what he does with every line and every real emotional swing. And as much as I didn't love the twist of Noah becoming hateful towards all of mankind, wanting them all destroyed, Crowe certainly delivers on the intensity of the emotions behind it that is convincing even if all seems a bit much. He's particularly good in his final moment with Watson in showing the man go from the potential killer to loving grandfather in a moment.)

Watson - 3.5(One of her better performances, as her tendency to say every line as though it is the most important thing works for this film, where it does appear that every line is the most important thing. So her sort of extreme emotiveness actually works well within the film's over the top style.)

Connelly - 2.5(Found her pretty forgettable, though not actively bad.)

Lerman - 3(One of the times I liked him a bit more, though I hardly loved his work by any means, but found his own tendency for over emphasis and emotiveness also was fairly befitting the tone of the piece.)

Booth - 2.5(Better than he is sometimes, but still find him bland and forgettable.)

Winstone - 3.5(I mean Winstone oddly seems a bit ideal for a biblical baddie, and brings this kind of grotesque intensity needed for the part. It isn't measured work just ugly cruelty on ugly cruelty but it works for the needs of the part.)

Louis Morgan said...

Hopkins - 3.5(Enjoyable bit of wily madness from Hopkins with enough of a knowing quality in his work of overplaying it in the right way.)

Aronofsky's direction in this instance is consistent with other work from him in that he certainly isn't holding back in any regard. But the end goal is one I'm a little more interested in seeing. In part because he doesn't choose a purposefully claustrophobic aesthetic. Rather here he goes grandiose, with a grandiose that is befitting a biblical epic, though his choices are a bit slightly random in places, such as the fallen angels, which really are the biggest swing. A swing that I wouldn't say completely coheres with everything else, but the way he goes so consistently strangely earnest in the choice it does work. All of his choices are that of the bigger the better, though there is enough of strange cohesion in much of it as this sort of rainy apocalypse that also might already be in a post-apocalypse. And his vision of the ark is striking, as is the horde of the bad humans, though there is occasionally a bit much of choice, like some of the aliens and the violent slaughter of them. But on the contrasting side there is less of that distant sort of observing of pain I see in a lot of his work, and rather there is a quiet sense of empathy at times that made the film far more approachable for me. Although again, there is a bit of Aronofsky random cruelty here that I don't love, but there are some truly inspired moments from him such as the creation sequence. Not a perfect directorial vision but more often than not a striking one.

Tony:

The ending is one of the aspects of the film that required "rumination" on my part, as it is such a surprising choice from Scorsese, who has had surprising shifts in other films, like the Dutch trader taking over the narration in Silence, but this one is a complete removal in style and is an active commentary in a way that isn't usually his approach. Even Scorsese's cameo, something that is typically hidden if existent at all, is an active choice to include himself. In this radio show that is the replacement of your typically ending texts. And in a way a curious case of respectful and purposefully disrespectful, in the case of the performance up until Scorsese himself takes over, is making light of it, as just a story of the past that is now just an entertainment whereas Scorsese's performance is that of attempting to give a moment of remembrance. And I will say I'm not sure how to feel about it entirely, because I was taken aback by it the first time, and haven't watched the film again at this venture, I obviously will, so another one where I'm not sure how I feel precisely to be honest.

Luke:

1. The Wrestler
2. Noah
3. Requiem for a Dream
4. Black Swan
5. The Whale
6. Mother!

Louis Morgan said...

Tahmeed:

A great episode that is essentially the ground zero for the family as we see their insanity though not entirely just that. We also see sort of the connection that does exist in there mixed in with the insanity, beautifully building the tensions around the edges of the situation throughout before the big blow up at the end of the episode. And I'll say coming into it I did ponder if there was too much of a "guest starathon", but in almost every instance I found the performances served and amplified the role, rather than distracted within it. And what I might've loved most though honestly were a lot of the small moments like Mulaney asserting that they weren't just teasing Carmy or the accidental mention of Ritchie's "job offer".
Jonathan Williams:

Star Wars and Empire, are basically both a series of iconic sound effects, where one in fact could name the sound effect from these films due to their status. Starting with Darth Vader's breathing, to every sound of R2D2, to the blasters, to of course lightsabers and perhaps my favorite the tie-fighter travel noises. Empire is the continuation of that with the sounds of the tauntaun, the Imperial walkers, everything in the swamps, and even some expansion of work like in the more aggressive lightsaber duel in the film. It isn't a case where one sound is iconic but so many of them are, that it is hard to deny either film as all timers in the idea of sound design. Because, unlike many films, the sounds are as part of the personality of those films as they are anything else.

Anonymous:

Bogosian's performance I think hits just the right note in terms of conveying the fine line between smug righteousness and genuine moral indignation. Bogosian finds just the right blend in creating the sense of a true career politician who has a sense for image but does convey that there is also something genuine behind it, if perhaps maybe not enough. I always liked when he showed up, particularly when he got to questions Tom and Greg where Bogosian has wonderful comedic timing while also facilitating both of their performances as such wonderful fools. I wish Bogosian had continued to appear in season 3 and 4, because I liked everything he did in the role.
Zuckerman gives quite the impressive performance in that he makes Tom much more likable by comparison, which is quite an accomplishment. I will say in terms of managing to be quite punchable, he's quite good at smug indifference where, unlike Bogosian, you don't feel like there's something genuine within the smugness, and low key one of the most satisfying moments is when Tom demands his wine back from him. And while I would say his performance is relatively limited, it certainly works for its purpose.

Ytrewq:

Bogosian:

Arthur Jensen
Rocky Gravo
Claude (Murder By Contract)

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Saito - (A very charming performance more than anything. Bring this stern father quality though with always a strong sense of the playful warmth even within the character's technical strong demeanor as the dad who must be looked up to and followed. This is in contrast to his movie scene, where he's splendid in being the opposite of that in the silliness he brings to the moment and just seems to have the right fun in the part.)

8000's:

Kuga - 4(I liked her performance in terms of bringing just this quiet sense of confusion and eventual conviction. Brings a real natural quality in her scenes of essentially playing detective where she internalizes the strange mix of emotions of her mission while also presenting the certain quiet dogged spirit that propels her forward. She is particularly good in her Poirot style uncovering monologue where she brings kind of the right pointed quality in every revelation, even with this certain quiet distance of a strange understanding. I do think the film limits her a little because it doesn't really decide who she is at all outside of this relationship or even who she was in the relationship.)


Takachiho - 2.5(Found her performance to honestly go overboard in many of the moments of the revelation, too quickly going to these big overt emotions, that in certain moments just felt quite simply overacted. There was definitely potential in the part, it also doesn't help the way the film chooses to unload all of this at once, but even then I found her performance fed even more into the melodrama rather than convincing me of the more genuine emotions beneath it.)

Arima - 3(I liked her performance as much as she could get out, but found it a pretty limiting role for her. Also the final moment of her last scene is completely ridiculous in the way it's staged, not her fault though.)

Mitchell:

I mean three funny clips, the middle being legendary of course, and quite enjoyed Schwarzenegger noting the failure of his accent remover.
Tony:

I've given my top five for Waits before.

For whatever reason Elvis Costello has largely never fallen on my radar much, so I wouldn't say I really have any obvious top five.

Matt & Luke:

I'll freely admit I would have a hard to naming all the separate character specifics, other than Roldan because he was also the narrator, and Bigliardi because his character was older and had a wife, which I'm a little surprised they didn't give a little more time to the Methols in general, given view of the Liliana before the avalanche, and also the fact the two held out the longest from participating in the cannibalism. But anyway, that isn't a criticism, it is rather just due to the sheer amount of cast members. And everyone is decidedly good in conveying the physical exhaustion, the intense visceral pain, the emotional exhaustion, the desperation, the moments of just casual honesty between the characters. The moments where there is a bit more of centered emotion of either philosophizing or personal grief, always are delivered convincingly. Roldan is the one actor with just a bit more focus, and found his quiet narration powerful in its sort of strange distance that nevertheless felt emotional. One where I'd give the cast probably a collective 4 for anyone who has even a few minutes of focus.

Louis Morgan said...

Bryan:

As it should be.

Anonymous:

Overall the big things to note is Melton missing, which they clearly saw the film based on the other mentions it got (and notable that BAFTA went gaga for Carol), Perfect Days missing Non-English language film, Boy and the Heron missing score which sadly means Hisaishi could easily miss in favor of John Williams's recycling bin, and all the major contenders haven't shown any major weaknesses, and I think you can almost officially add Past Lives to that list now. The Color Purple is truly floundering. And All of Us Strangers did what I expected it to, hopefully they'll embrace it, and not Saltburn for the BAFTA push. I also should note Melton is not done by any measure, there usually is at least one Oscar nominee who didn't hit the longlist, so he could still get in, even if potentially in a Brian Tyree Henry way. But...definitely tempted to switch to Sessa, particularly if Sessa shows up at SAG.

Jonathan Williams said...

Louis: With Mockingjay Part I as your next recommendation, may I have thoughts on the cast with ratings and your thoughts on the song 'The Hanging Tree'.

Calvin Law said...

Perfect Days is falling victim to what I see as a recurring theme with Neon releases at this point, which is them throwing all of their eggs into the most awards friendly contender (here, Anatomy of a Fall) and leaving everything else on the back burner. Which, fair enough, that's how these things work for independent distributors, but I can't help but feel annoyed by it.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Speaking of Perfect Days, saw it today and it's phenomenal. Very annoyed by Neon's self-sabotaging release strategy, this film deserved much better.

As for BAFTA longlists, delighted by Yoo, Oparah, and Sessa being recognized somewhere substantial at least. Melton's snub stings, but unless he misses SAG, I'm sure it's just BAFTA going rogue and being stupid.


8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Mouse, Mouse in Manhattan and Heavenly Puss.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast of Monster.

Tony Kim said...

Anyone remember where Louis put his Tom Waits list?

8000S: That's why I said "nearly".

Louis: Since it slipped my mind to do so last month, I'd like to belatedly recommend the short film "The Dover Boys", if you're willing to accept it.

Also, your thoughts on this review of The Immigrant? https://www.avclub.com/james-gray-s-the-immigrant-is-an-american-masterpiece-1798180525

Luke Higham said...

Tony: Why not ask him to see it on your birthday. I've done the same for The Wrong Trousers.

Anonymous said...

Louis, rating and thoughts on Arletty in Children Of Paradise.

Louis Morgan said...

Jonathan Williams:

Lawrence - 2.5(Felt to me as though she was kind "over" the role at this point in a lot of instances her performance just felt like going through the motions of it, frankly her bad acting in the first ad was probably the most I got out of her performance here. I really didn't believe her in the moments of heartbreak or even much conviction, felt consistently like she was giving just the minimum to be slightly convincing but not much more than that. And her big emotional scene to me, I wasn't convinced by in the slightest, and she can quite simply do better than what I thought she delivered in the scene which felt like trying to be emotional than being genuinely emotional.)

Hutcherson - 3.5(Contrasting that I thought he was MVP of the film despite having relatively limited screen time, however I felt he certainly was devoted to the role still, and I thought was very effective in sort of playing the pent up state of emotional exhaustion while repeating these anti-war statements. Feeling in particular he did well then in the moments of breaking from those moments to show the toll of what had been happening to him.)

Hemsworth - 2(Found him to be quite dull, and really just consistently he's not a very good actor. Even his big scene where he's telling of this traumatic event, Hemsworth just seems slightly sad about it, and you don't get any sense of the emotions he should be holding back in the scene.)

Harrelson - 3.5(Comes in very much as a pro quickly selling each sort of character transition for the other characters effectively, and still is bringing some passion to the part even though there is still the vague sense that he's ready to move on.)

Banks - 3.5(Felt she was still fully convicted to the role still and brings a nice bit of humor to her part in sort of playing the part still as flighty and kind of disjointed from reality, while now playing the part of the more modest "prisoner".)

Louis Morgan said...

Wright - 3.5(Exceptional at delivering completely nonsensical exposition as always.)

Hoffman - 3(Found him only to be just fine here, and didn't think he brought any of his typical dynamic presence for much of his performance. Really the one scene where he really does more than just kind of be there is the first ad, which is well done, but again far from his best work.)

Sutherland - 3.5(Still having a blast in just playing up the evilness of the character, and fully enjoyed his performance again even if briefly.)

Dormer - 2(Found her particularly not dynamic here, and seemed kind of strangely stiff here.)

Henson - 3(Well by far the most I've ever liked one of his performances , probably the lack of line deliveries helped, but found he did make an impact with bringing out character within his silence.)

Claflin - 3(Found him mostly pushed off to the side but his short monologue of abuse was well delivered in combining a sense of genuine sort of emotional trauma with passionate anger.)

Luke:

Interesting case where I think Ando, Nagayama and Kurokawa are all lead, though they're only lead in their sections.

Ando - 4.5(Could go up easily, as her performance is placed in an atypical way as being completely dominant for the first third of the film, then only having the briefest appearances later on,. She's great though in portraying this process of the mother trying to figure out what is going on with her son, and what is going on with the school he's going to. She of course brings just an honesty to her earliest scenes where you get a little bit of the sense of exhaustion but also the life of the mother. The life that doesn't seem out of sorts is also still complicated, however in a way that just feels natural in the best of ways. Making it so when the strange things happen, her portrayal of the slowly building sense of concern in her performance is so elegantly precise in showing the mother suddenly figuring out that something is seriously wrong. She's then great in combining the immediate sense of emotional distress of the mother confused and trying to figure out what is happening, while also building this sense of raw anger and conviction as she does everything to try to find some kind of justice in the situation from the perspective as she sees it. Bringing such a power to the passion of her moments later on where we believe, with her, that she is confronting this horrible teacher, and she brings all that emotional baggage so brilliantly into every word that she says.)

Hiiragi - 4(Wonderfully naturalistic work that just brings this terrific sense of innocence that is mixed in though with genuine sense of anxiety as related to his constant horrible treatment by the rest of his class. His chemistry with Kurokawa in particular is key in creating the sense of just childhood wonder, which feels earned, the childhood sort of sense of pain from the expectation of peer pressure, and a third thing that is particularly tricky I think, however I found that as per expectation Kore-eda brings out the complex emotions within child performances like few directors can.)

Tanaka - 3.5(Working purposefully with an incomplete side plot, however to me it worked as basically the point as we only know the gossip of it, where is the main story we see behind the gossip. Her performance though I think carries an intriguing quality in this sort of professional stoic facade, where there's always obviously a lot going just beneath the surface of that, which never fully get to figure out.)

Jonathan Williams said...

Louis: You don't mind if I pick Part 2 for my recommendation next year.

Michael McCarthy said...

Ando was an easy 5 for me, and I currently rank her third behind Stone and Hüller.

Matthew Montada said...

Michael: your ratings for the cast of Monster?

I have also seen the movie and absolutely loved it. Especially loved the score by Ryuichi Sakamoto.

Sakura Andō - 4.5
Eita Nagayama - 4.5
Soya Kurokawa - 5
Hinata Hiiragi - 4
Yūko Tanaka - 3.5

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on the NSFC winners.

Bryan L. said...

Louis: Your 1950s cast & director for Noah?

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

I mean I'm sure I've seen those at some point, but don't recall them all that clearly from other Tom and Jerry shorts.

Jonathan:

You may recommend whatever you wish.

Luke:

Well...still looking forward to finally seeing The Zone of Interest. Prediction wise I don't think this changes anything, as this group is perhaps the most in terms of being critics taste rather than academy, though I think it does show that there is the passion for Andrew Scott, the question just is, is the passion also there in academy members? And good for Past Lives and Huller. I will say, as much I do think she gives a very good performance, I still am a little surprised with the level of sweeping being done by Randolph.

Bryan:

Noah directed by Cecil B. DeMille:

Noah: Charlton Heston
Naameh: Martha Hyer
Tubal-Cain: Edward G. Robinson
Ila: Carroll Baker
Methuselah: HB Warner
Ham: Michael Parks
Shem: Richard Beymer

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Could you watch The Dover Boys on my birthday June 27, as a gift?

Also, your thoughts on the review I posted above?

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on anyone of note in Totem.

Louis Morgan said...

Tony:

Sure.

Vishnevetsky I think does spend a strange amount of time on Heaven's Gate, which I get the point he's making as contrast, but that's not the first film I'd consider when talking about The Immigrant. Although too little time spent praising Cotillard in that review, otherwise I agree in terms of the sense of place he describes in the film, the particularly potent combination of hopefulness and hopelessness of the characters, and the pure emotional impact of the film.

Luke:

Everyone is good, though the focus is just being natural largely, and everyone certainly is that consistently across the board. The one main difference is Senties's performance, that is mostly as just any little girl for much of it, but there's two contrasting moments of kind of more overt performance, first a spirited lip-synch that is wonderful in an adorable way, then her face as she blows out the birthday that suddenly reveals much more genuine pathos suddenly and powerfully. 4 for her, 3.5 for everyone else.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Ando is honestly my win for Actress... and Tanaka is a 5 for me.

Matthew Montada said...

Louis: ratings for the cast of Scrapper?

Also, i just finished watching The Iron Claw. Found it to be pretty excellent stuff altogether.

Zac Efron - 4.5 (leaning VERY closely to a 5)
Jeremy Allen White - 4
Harris Dickinson - 4
Maura Tierney - 3.5
Stanley Simons - 3.5 (could go up to a 4)
Holt McCallany - 4.5
Lily James - 3.5

Anonymous said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast of Scrapper.

Matt Mustin said...

I think it's fair to assume he'll probably give thoughts on the casts of new releases, I don't know if asking constantly is necessary.

Calvin Law said...

Louis: thoughts on the ending of Monster (I have a feeling the final Sakamoto cue would've hit an extra special spot for you) and without spoiling anything for anyone I guess, whether you think it's to be taken literally or as a fantasy. Very glad that you're saving both Nagayama and Kurokawa for now (would make for a very interesting review).

And also your thoughts on the opera lip syncing scene in Tótem? I'm glad we agree that and the closing birthday shots are quite the remarkable finish to the film.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Will you be able to see Perfect Days soon? I was lucky to catch the literal only showing (and by only, I mean 1) in my area yesterday.

Louis Morgan said...

Regarding Fallen Leaves, I mean of course I was going to love this one. Vibrant cinematography, pointedly romantic use of music, affable simplicity, an *almost* romance between two emotionally distant characters (I mean any potential romance is going to be challenging if you start it off with a screening of the Dead Don't Die.)

Poysti - 5
Max von Sydow's son - 4.5
Hyytianinen - 3.5
Koivu - 3.5

Anonymous:

Campbell & Dickinson - 4.5/4(I think Campbell does more than just give a good child performance, but gives a good one in a particularly challenging role of [playing a character who is not meant to be immediately likable. She doesn't soften those aspects in any way, yet she doesn't scare you away through them by turning it into obvious caricature. It is absolutely wonderful in being wholly convincing in this overly knowing girl for her age, but conveying that there is more there even if she's more than a little rough around the edges. Then we have Dickinson who really is quite talented in his ability to be whatever station or class he needs to be, as he's entirely convincing here in playing working class English as he was the rich model in Triangle of Sadness. Dickinson brings just a convincing everything about the manner of the man, where he manages to be distant while also conveying the man trying to perceive something more in the relationship though is awkward in this. Then the two are effective in creating a convincing connection that feels honest in its gradual progression and earn each step by showing it isn't easy, though also make the eventual warmth feel entirely real.)

Calvin:

I took the ending as fantasy, so it was a bit more of a bittersweet note for me, sweet in the idea as brought to life by the beauty of the cinematography of the scene and Sakamoto's wonderful posthumous score, but bitter in that as much joy as one can see with the acceptance if it was the truth it wouldn't change the society of the school...and the real villains those horrible classmates.

Lovely scene where I do think has an extra bit of impact by being suddenly more cinematic then the rest of the film, and you see kind of the sheer joy of living in what seems to be the ideal childhood moment...undercut purposefully of course by the candles scene. 

Tahmeed:

Uncertain, I mean I certainly see it the first chance I can get, as I believe it and The Zone of Interest to be essential before I can really give my top ten.  

Calvin Law said...

Knew you'd love Fallen Leaves, particularly its use of cinematic references (the Dead Don't Die reveal and the Bresson joke were just incredible stuff). Am *delighted* that Poysti's a 5 for you (and lol at Max von Sydow's son...I've also heard European Jimmy Stewart go around).

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on Poysti and Vatanen.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Your thoughts/ratings on the rest of the Talk Radio cast.

Also, your 21st century film roles for Phil Hartman and John Candy (specifically, roles you think they would've been cast in had they lived).

8000S said...

Louis: Thoughts on this Cavett interview with Paul Newman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBm-VlAiDFI&pp=ygUScGF1bCBuZXdtYW4gY2F2ZXR0

Jonathan Williams said...

Louis: If you are accepting short film recommendations on Birthdays, then Hedgehog In The Fog (1975) on March 15th.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Poysti - (Her performance falls into the sweet spot of me of just being able to be everything while seemingly being nothing at all at the same time. As her voice barely raises beyond a whisper, even in the confrontation with her employers scene, yet never does anything not feel absolutely real within her performance. Which realizes itself all within the most minute of changes within her expressions. Changes that somehow create such an unmistakable need to empathize with her state immediately and wish her for happiness. And seeing her maneuver the world is engaging in a particular way that is just captivating despite being so exceedingly quiet every step of the way. I simply loved everything she did that just seemed to show us this idiosyncratic woman, and despite the nature of performance, feels like she completely opens up to us, despite technically always being so restrained. It is so wonderfully pitch perfect in this balance that just fascinated every moment she was onscreen.)

Vatanen - (All jokes aside if they ever do an Ingmar Bergman biopic, or someone needs to cast a young version of von Sydow for a prequel of something, he just fits the bill visually. I think part of that is this performance reminds me of von Sydow as well though with this sort of combination between a remarkable stature while also simultaneously being kind of disarming in his retiring way. And while Vatanen didn't quite capture my attention as much as Poysti's work (which I rarely given credit to the Globes but that is an inspired nod), but found him effective on the similar wavelength. In creating this sort quite malaise of the man, where he realizes his drinking as the extension of that, and creates this quietly sad existence without wallowing in it, and helps make the sort of glimmer of hope in the possible romance that much more powerful.)

Tony:

I mean no one else visually is too notable, McGinley and Baldwin are fine in simple roles, Greene, I can see why she didn't really break out, I think she has decent chemistry with Bogosian, but her more emotional moments are really just fine if maybe a bit less than that. What is remarkable are the other radio voices, who feel unpleasantly real no matter what psychosis they're presenting.

Sadly I don't think Hartman would've been cast in anything too notable film-wise, though would've loved to have heard his Zapp Brannigan. As he was mostly pigeonholed as a supporting player in broad studio comedies, and I'd say that is probably where he would've continued. So really take any random role, particularly from SNL alumni comedies, and that's probably where he would've been. Though hey, would've gotten a kick out of his definite appearance as one of the rival anchors in Anchorman.

Candy sadly is a similar case, where JFK was an outlier and not some trend towards breaking out beyond, again, the studio broad comedy. And to be perfectly honest, before his death he was on a downward trajectory. One could argue maybe John Hughes would've come back to directing and made something more notable for him, as many speculate that Candy's death had something to do with his retirement, but again that could be wishful thinking. I think more likely, if he lived, he might've appeared in more supporting roles, maybe Christopher Guest might've brought him into his films, or maybe young filmmakers many years later might've cast him in more interesting work. But going off only where he was, he would've likely lead more bad studio comedies as lead, until his stock fully diminished, and then probably would've switched to supporting roles in studio comedies.

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

An amusing interview with what's really behind but the specific power of film for an actor, particularly Woodard commenting on Newman, which also to be fair he wasn't really a great actor until after the first few years of his film career.

Jonathan:

Sure, though if any sudden infrequent commentors start making similar request I will become less generous.

Jonathan Williams said...

Louis: If you haven't already, thoughts on the costume design of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back and Return Of The Jedi.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast of Brave.

Luke Higham said...

Kung Fu Panda 2 next, I hope you like Oldman as much as I did.

Anonymous said...

Luke, what about the other Pixar films that didn't make the list.

Luke Higham said...

If you mean the shortlist that I posted recently, I'll give you reasons why they didn't make the cut.

Apart from the scenes in the human world, I didn't care much for Monsters University. It's alright but even Louis wasn't fond of the original. I will say that Goodman's better in this than he was in the first film.

The Good Dinosaur's target audience is solely young children and that's a big no-no for him.

Cars 3, No chance in hell. He didn't care much for the 1st film and the 2nd is hot garbage.

Anonymous said...

Luke, and what do you think Louis will do next in his 'Best' series.

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: In terms of importance, it will most likely be Film Editing.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast of How To Have Sex.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Just out of curiosity, have you started watching the recommended TV shows (outside of Beef, obviously), or do you tend to start them at a later date?

Also, I know it's best not to take them too seriously, but your Globes predictions?

Luke Higham said...

Tony: He probably has. I wouldn't worry too much if he doesn't finish them by Nomination Day. Last year he finished the recommendations on his Post-Oscars break.

Louis Morgan said...

Jonathan Williams:

I believe I've given them on the 1st and 3rd. Empire's costume is basically what you see with greater budget and confidence on the first film. In part this is just improving what was already envisioned as such, such as Darth Vader really having a major upgrade if you look at the two costumes between the films. But really all the characters have a bit of sleeker look with the new appearances for Luke, Leia and Han. Even the different uniforms for the Imperials and the rebels, where there are multiple types of roles in each military, which naturally expands the world. Then there's the sort of more showy work of the different bounty hunters, which are all memorable, especially of course Boba Fett's costume which is all time iconic.

Luke:

MacDonald - 4(Always like her, and it is a shame that she never did quite break out beyond a certain point. But anyway, spirited work on its own that offers a lot of energy, I don't think the role ever tasks her with going even further, but she does basically do everything she can to sell the nature of Merida and her, while also going through every emotional moment with a strict honesty in her her performance.)

Thompson - 3.5(Brings a wonderful innate strength in her performance and sense of a combination between warmth and that expectation. She makes a strong impression immediately, so again it is a little bit of a shame that the film didn't exploit her a bit more.)

Connolly - 3(Well cast, but there's not much to him other than being one note Scottish, I'd say Gerard Butler's character in How to Train Your Dragon, really shows how little was really done here, though Connolly is perfectly fine with what he has.)

Walters - 3(Why did this character exist as is? I mean was there any motivation whatsoever? Horribly written as a plot device, though Walters is perfectly fine in the role.)

McKenna-Bruce - 4.5(Although I don't think I'd go as far as a win here, she is very good in being very much part of the group of her friends initially, with it being kind of a noise, though a noise that feels very natural. She's effective though in the first sort of break in this where she quietly expresses her discomfort with her particular situation, creating a moving sense of the uncertainty of the character within her choices. Before effectively playing between sort of going along with the expectation and the moments of sudden sort of regret, shame and a bit of horror in her reactions. She makes the natural flow between the emotions particularly effective and potent, creating a distinct sense of every moment of journey. Accentuating most effectively that shift really between being happy-go-lucky to what we see just before the end, and then the end where there's the same presentation, but she now shows it means far less.)

Peake & Lewis - 3.5(Both again are effective in creating that initial "noise" and are similar for much of it, until the ending where each represents a very different reaction. With Peake showing the shallow response of just kind of never losing the same attitude towards it all, whereas Lewis brings the quiet empathy in the final moments most powerfully.)

Bottomley - 2.5(Utterly ridiculous nomination for supporting role there at the
BIFA, I mean he's just one note in the part, and while he does mess anything up per se, his scenes are much more carried by what happens then anything he's doing performance wise.)

Thomas - 3.5(And a supporting win seems also a stretch to be perfectly honest because really he has two notes, one of the frat boy being as such and the other in showing this quiet contemplation and sadness that doesn't really go anywhere. He's more than fine at both notes, but it doesn't really go anywhere either.)

Michael McCarthy said...

Saw All of Us Strangers and found it *devastating.* Andrew Scott is amazing of course and makes my Best Actor lineup, and Paul Mescal is without question my supporting win now.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Tony: Off top of my head, I feel that Hartman would've been interesting to see or hear in these roles:

-Jeff D. Sheldrake
-Some of Bryan Cranston's characters (this is largely based on physical resemblance though, since we can't tell how good his dramatic chops were)
-Most of John Cygan's voice roles
-Captain Qwark/Dallas Wanamaker/Ace Hardlight (Ratchet and Clank games)

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Could you check out Polite Society before finishing off 2023?

Louis Morgan said...

Wholly enjoyed The Promised Land, as essentially a western despite being Danish, and in this instance a "Jutern?". Anyway, the tropes are there, beautiful shots of the countryside, the former soldier trying to make a home for himself in a uncultivated country, coming afoul of the local land baron (though the villain hast the most in common with Prince Humperdink I think), who the soldier takes on with a ragtag group of allies. That's appreciation by the way, not a complaint, as not only is it an exceptionally done version of these tropes, however also a completely different setting with a wholly different perspective, that makes something new out of the old.

Collin - 4.5
Bennebjerg - 4
Hagberg - 4
Thorp - 3.5
Lindh - 3.5

Louis Morgan said...

Tony:

I'm good, not predicting the Globes.

Tahmeed:

Sure thing.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: I'm glad you finally got to see this one. Category Placement for Collin and thoughts on the cast.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Your bottom 7 films of the year.

Anonymous said...

Murphy beat Cooper! May this continue all season.

Matt Mustin said...

Not watching the Globes but getting some updates. Downey's speech was perfect. Nolan's was lovely and I was especially touched by the mention of Heath Ledger, it's very clear that they all deeply loved him.

Marcus said...

Cooper going empty handed for Maestro, I will be there no matter what.

Matt Mustin said...

OK, well let's not forget guys that who votes for the Globes and who votes for the Oscars is a completely different group of people.

Luke Higham said...

This is a great 1st step, didn't think Oppenheimer would get as much love from the globes as it has.

Anonymous said...

Globes don't mean a ton, but this definitely hurts Cooper's momentum.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

I get the feeling a larger voting body will help Murphy more, and momentum is a huge thing in close races. That being said, whoever wins SAG will probably win the Oscar, so it's sadly not over for Cooper any time soon.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast of Polite Society.

Oliver Menard said...

Oppenheimer for Picture/Director, Heron for Animated, Anatomy for Screenplay are all excellent choices. Murphy/Gladstone/Downey/Randolph are an incredibly strong lineup for the main acting categories, with Giamatti and Stone being the obvious wins for their category. Hoping to see these wins repeat for the rest of the awards season. I'm still pushing for Stone Oscar win #2 over the other girls though.

RatedRStar said...

I have never even heard of Jo Koy lol is that normal?

Luke Higham said...

RatedRStar: Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel. I miss Gervais so much.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Gervais sucked too, but this guy bombed on a level that makes your average Critic's Choice host look pleasant.

Jonathan Williams said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Maleficent's opening scene in Sleeping Beauty. I've seen your then top 15 vocal performances list from years ago and I was surprised Eleanor Audley didn't make the list.

Tony Kim said...

RatedRStar: Nope. Prior to his hiring, I'd never heard of him either.

Louis: As I couldn't find your Tom Waits list, are you OK with just posting it again now?

Also, your thoughts on this video of Gladstone and DiCaprio?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-4X-K_iB9E

Michael McCarthy said...

I managed to snag the last ticket for the one showtime of The Zone of Interest playing in the DC area for the foreseeable future, and it’s tonight at 8:30. Looking forward to reporting back on it!

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Collin - (Who is supporting, Mikkelsen is the sole lead, is a performance that slowly reveals itself in terms of emotional intensity. As her earliest scenes seem simple enough, to the point you might not think she's going to be a major character, however her first major pivotal scene with her husband presents effectively the quiet sense of actual humane warmth within the cold exterior needed to present to the world defined by cruel class differences. Though on that side of things we see the expansion of this sense of anger towards the injustice slowly build up within her performance, that when it releases in a particularly impactful moments of catharsis, it is a release both in terms of her showing the full expression of the venom she's held in, and for the audience to experience rather bloody relief. But what I think I liked most was her chemistry with Mikkelsen because it is a difficult one in terms of really how far it goes, as initially a stranger, then basically a stranger worker, then this shoddy cooperation due to mutual desperation, that slowly forgoes to genuine affection, though mixed in still with moments of intense challenge. And Collin brings a natural progression to these changes, while always showing within this fierce defining spirit within the character.)

Bennebjerg - (Probably one of the most hateable villains in awhile, in that there's no enjoyment one has in terms of being a "Magnificent bastard", you just hate every facet of him in every way, but this totally works as such in every moment of his performance just accenting the weaselly qualities of the characters. His performance working in a way by not having a commanding presence or any power of personality, other than those given by society, and his lack of being anything except for this simpering fool, makes his performance work particularly well in showing the injustice as showing how the fool can exist in this system.)

Hagberg - (Managed to hit just the right balance I think in being precious without being too much either, particularly by bringing a bit more genuine darkness in her early scenes if not even a bit of danger in a way. But naturally contrasts that in her later scenes, particularly via her surprising but rather winning chemistry with Mikkelsen where the warmth between them is especially moving.)

Thorp - (Makes enough of an impression initially that you do think he's going to have a bigger role in the film, so quite effective in that sense, in immediately granting a sense of his character a bit exasperated by life but with just enough will to keep going.)

Lindh - (After being colossally unlikable in the Northman, nice to see a good bit of range here in bringing just a quiet humanity to his character consistently, and in an unfussy way. His manner always denotes this quiet hope for improvement for the people around him and for them to get away from the tyranny of the landlord. Bringing always this optimistic manner though within this realistic passion that creates the right endearing quality to his character.)

Louis Morgan said...

Kansara - 4(Her performance is in many ways what makes the film work, as if her comedic timing and just overall manner didn't work, the character who is immediately unlikable. But she manages to bring the right energy to the role that makes her both endearing while also not entirely not the way others see her either. As she is a lot, but a lot in the right way. Her eagerness in the role is entirely winning if she conveys this certain passion in her performance that also has this certain lack of perspective in her performance the same. She brings this single minded intensity initially that works in creating the passion, but also the right sense of the way she doesn't always consider everything with the most consideration for others. She naturally makes the progression then in just turning down in the right way, that the passion later on still is always entirely evident, there's just a little more modest and sense of self in these moments.)

Arya - 3.5(Her performance in a way is the damsel in distress for her sister though it doesn't exactly play in that way. But she's good in bringing initially this kind of just general exasperation with life if the right warmth in her initial interactions with Kansara to establish the sisterly bond. And she's quite effective in showing the going along with the wedding as an extension of a need for more than her constant state of that same state of just seemingly being done with everything.)

Khanna - 3(Really hitting two notes that are purposefully disparate, in first being just seemingly modestly likable enough that there isn't any reason to suspect him, before in the last act basically becoming the immediate simple note of the sycophantic momma's boy to the extreme, that again is a simple note but the two extremes do work.)

Bucha - 4(Enjoyably over the top in first just playing up the catty sort of manner of the mother, before switching to full on villainy, which I enjoyed because she played every moment of it as though she was playing the mastermind of some taking over the world plot. Embracing the ridiculousness of her character in the right way, to be an arch villain in a very funny way.)

Kapoor & Mirza - 3(Enjoyable quick moments of "straight man" reactions throughout.)

1. Fool's Paradise
2. Rebel Moon
3. The Creator
4. Amerikatsi 
5. Golda
6. The Last Voyage of the Demeter
7. Saltburn

Although to be perfectly honest, Maestro could easily make this list when I re-watch it. 

Jonathan:

I'm an admirer of Audley's performance, but such lists are tough to crack. Regardless, an exceedingly memorable villain entrance, I mean just visually alone with how vibrant the colors are around essentially her magic. What I've always found to be a little hilarious though is that the court almost acquiesce, at least the Queen, does to her offence, like "I guess she should've had an invite". But really what it really brings is such an easy menace in the character, amplified by Audley performance particularly in the curse, where she delivers it not with a boisterous noise rather a quietly insidious description.  

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Who would you cast to play each of the following...

Warren Zevon
Elvis Costello
Lou Reed
Nico
Joni Mitchell
Patti Smith
Debbie Harry
Joan Jett
Susanna Hoffs

Michael McCarthy said...

The Zone of Interest was outstanding. The way it juxtaposes so much mundane, almost gentle imagery with its absolutely demonic soundscape is such a unique way to represent the rationalizations the characters are constantly making internally, and the almost “slice of life” style of Glazer’s direction makes the story feeling something alive that you are constantly walking in on, rather than just a piece of history.

Friedel: 4.5
Hüller: 5

Robert MacFarlane said...

Michael: From what I heard the film basically sounds like Glazer had heard Haneke’s criticisms of Schindler’s List and made something that could address those complaints.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast of Four Daughters.

8000S said...

Louis: Your casting choices for these iconic film producers.

Jack L. Warner
Louis B. Mayer
Darryl F. Zanuck
Samuel Goldwyn
Irving Thalberg
Hal B. Wallis
David O. Selznick
Harry Cohn

Luke Higham said...

2023 - Films To Watch
The Super Mario Bros. Movie
Nimona
The Peasants
Robot Dreams
Wish
Peter Pan & Wendy (David Lowery)
The Little Mermaid
Blue Beetle
The Marvels
Perfect Days
The Zone Of Interest
The Taste Of Things
La Chimera (Josh O'Connor)
Io Capitano
The Teachers' Lounge
The Eternal Memory
Cassandro (Gael Garcia Bernal)
Knock At The Cabin (Dave Bautista)
One Life/Freud's Last Session (Anthony Hopkins)
The Burial (Jamie Foxx)
Pinball: The Man Who Saved The Game (Mike Faist)
Femme (George MacKay)
Cobweb (Song Kang-Ho/Kim Jee-Woon)
Lubo (Franz Rogowski)
The Monk And The Gun
The Delinquents
Explanation For Everything
Do Not Expect Too Much From The End Of The World
Green Border
The Great Escaper (Michael Caine/Glenda Jackson)
Brother
About Dry Grasses
All Dirt Roads Taste Of Salt
Just The Two Of Us
The Goldman Case
Shayda
Of An Age
Blue Jean
The End We Start From (Jodie Comer)
Reality
Flora And Son
No Hard Feelings
Joy Ride
Origin
Silver Haze
The Boys In The Boat
Yannick
Slow
Last Summer
The Universal Theory
The Unlikely Pilgrimage Of Harold Fry
The Royal Hotel
The Animal Kingdom
Gran Turismo
Sound Of Freedom
War Pony
Bruiser
The Persian Version
Shooting Stars
Shortcomings
No One Will Save You
Dreamin’ Wild
The Passenger
Jules
The Adults
You Are So Not Invited To My Bat Mitzvah
A Million Miles Away
Fair Play
Quiz Lady
Manodrome
M3GAN
Evil Dead Rise
Saw X
Totally Killer
Extraction 2
Somewhere In Queens
Guy Ritchie's The Covenant
Sisu
Renfield
Butcher's Crossing
Sympathy For The Devil
The Artifice Girl
The Blackening
Boston Strangler
A Good Person
Missing
The Pope's Exorcist
Linoleum
God's Time
Moon Garden
Surrounded
Biosphere
Sitting In Bars With Cake
Divinity

Razor said...

Luke: Only film I can think of adding in that list is Blue Giant. Haven't seen it though.

Tony Kim said...

Ytrewq: Sheldrake is a good call, I'd like to have seen him in more dramatic roles like that.

Luke: I think The Mission (the documentary), The Pigeon Tunnel, Menus-Plaisirs — Les Troisgros, Falcon Lake, and You Can Live Forever could be added to the list.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Whenever you're watching it, Can I have ratings and thoughts on the cast of Kung Fu Panda 2.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

I'll rather avoid Sound of Freedom as a precaution. It may have done well at box office, but nothing about Jim Caviezel's recent career trajectory sounds very promising.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Thoughts on this scene from Succession season 3?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKA3F5OhDuc&ab_channel=KendallRoy

Louis Morgan said...

Tony:

Without researching singing abilities in some cases.

Warren Zevon - Michael Angarano
Elvis Costello - Taron Egerton
Lou Reed - Jake Gyllenhaal
Nico - Samara Weaving
Joni Mitchell - Jessie Buckley
Debbie Harry - Florence Pugh
Joan Jett - Zoey Deutch
Susanna Hoffs - Hailee Steinfeld

8000's:

Excluding any previous castings.

Jack L. Warner - Josh Pais
Louis B. Mayer - Nick Offermann
Darryl F. Zanuck - Scott Shepherd
Samuel Goldwyn - Anthony Edwards
Irving Thalberg - Alden Ehrenreich
Hal B. Wallis - Pablo Schreiber
David O. Sleznick - David Krumholtz
Harry Cohn - Simon Russell Beale

Luke:

Four Daughters is a documentary. Yes there are some recreations, but they're not consistently used in a way that I would say really fits as a traditional "performance".

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Black - 4(I have to say it has genuine range as Po, where I do think in part it makes great use of really just the bigness of his voice anyways, but it goes in terms of making him have a considerable life. But it goes beyond that here as he delivers in the moments of more genuine emotion that feel natural, and while this isn't absurdly heavy drama, it isn't completely light and thought Black brought to that life quite effectively.)


Oldman - 4(I mean in part I think Oldman does more than just deliver it in any expected way, granting a particularly kind of piercing quality to his voice here that feels ideal to the prancing and vicious peacock. He is expectedly villainous of course, and Oldman has the right kind of fun with that including selling the slightly more comedic moments. Again though there is actually a little bit of dramatic nuance here where Oldman created the intensity within sort of the emotional bitterness of his character that felt surprisingly raw for an animated film, bringing more to it than one might expect.)


Hong - 3.5(I mean who doesn't always want more Hong? But has a bit to do here actually and really enjoyed the sweet emotionality of his performance bringing such a warmth while also just being just so naturally entertaining.)


Yeoh - 3.5(I mean how often has she been cast as the exposition giver? While regardless she's good at it in bringing the gravitas as to be expected.)


And I liked everyone else in either their straightforward reprises or quick bits like Van Damme and Garber.


Tahmeed:

A great Succession scene like any other and you do get a little more in the dynamic from each. As Roman who is the quickest to insult Kendall won't completely throw him under the bus, and only Succession could make a line about learning how to use the bathroom be surprisingly sweet in a weird way. Connor, as clueless as he is, isn't wouldn't be blithely cruel to his siblings immediately, even as the scene ends in the cruder, though hilarious, asking for some sort of compensation though in a way to end the conversation. Although Shiv, who is as cutthroat as Logan, but just isn't as good at cultivating allies or at least being able to intimidate, is immediately going to the worst impulse, with the sense always as sibling rivalry as always existed.

Tim said...

your thoughts on the scene where Po's past is revealed?

8000S said...

Louis: How do you think Lancaster would have fared as John Doe in a 50s Se7en?

Mitchell Murray said...

Louis: Deciding an MVP for "Kung Fu Panda" is hard for me, since I enjoy basically everyone in the first two films, though Oldman certainly did a memorable job as Sheng.

I also quite like Ian McShane's work as Tai Lung (he's 81, btw! Talk about career longevity).

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Your reasons for casting Angarano, Egerton, Gyllenhaal, and Deutch.

Also, who would you cast to play a young Patti Smith? (Personally, I don't care too much about singing ability, given that it narrows the selection down and this is all imaginary anyway).

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast of Io Capitano.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Notable SAG snubs:

Melton
Ruffalo (but Dafoe got in)
DiCaprio
Huller
Lee
McAdams

Can't help but feel that the Academy will go a different route on a lot of contenders, truly surprised by some of these choices.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Told y’all DiCaprio was gonna be a hard sell.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on the SAG nominations.

RatedRStar said...

I think Domingo still misses out come Oscar time I think, he isn't gonna get Bafta either.

Luke Higham said...

I forgot to add El Conde by Pablo Larrain to the list.

Louis Morgan said...

Regarding SAG:

Actor:

Prediction Wise: By all measures DiCaprio should've gotten in here, and the only time he's missed here was for Wolf, which that film had an extremely late release, and I believe SAG was earlier nomination wise. So I'd say he's probably out, BUT, Michelle Williams also missed here (and BAFTA) and still got in as a vet in a somewhat divisive performance...so don't consider him done fully just yet. Otherwise more or less expected except for both Domingo and Wright. I think the former probably will get knocked out by Andrew Scott if All of Us Are Strangers gets the fully BAFTA embrace as I expect it to.

Actress:

Prediction Wise:This feels like a SAG lineup, as I expected by Bening and Robbie to make it here not necessarily repeat at Oscar. The latter still could, though I think the former will likely get pushed out by Huller.

Quality Wise: Great choices for Gladstone and Stone. But this lineup could be much better, as while I don't think the other three are bad, there are far better choices around this season.

Supporting Actor:

Prediction Wise: Now there's a proper wrench in Dafoe getting here, and what's hilarious is that he can't get in at BAFTA, meanwhile Ruffalo very well could. What I guess this says is the top three are De Niro, Downey and Gosling. Brown is well liked by SAG, so I don't think he'll repeat, unless American Fiction is as popular with the Academy. Meanwhile Melton is sinking fast, he could be Brian Tyree Henry still, but this is not a great sign. As long as Ruffalo hits BAFTA, I think I'll probably say Poor Things doubles down, and we get the expected three of De Niro, Downey and Gosling.

Supporting Actress:

Prediction Wise, Brooks, Randolph, and Blunt have cemented themselves. Cruz feels very SAG only, but still a decent get for her to be in the running. Foster again, I think could lose since I thought Nyad would be much bigger at SAG then anywhere else. But, then again the alternatives are not obvious. Ferrara feels like she definitely should've gotten in here if she's going to be nominated. This was a terrible day for May December, and doesn't seem like BAFTA will save it either. I could see Claire Foy maybe being a surprise though.

Quality Wise: Actually Cruz as a surprise choice isn't terrible, and this is altogether a decent enough lineup if mostly safe.

Ensemble:

American Fiction has set itself as at least a minor major contender. If Jefferson surprises later today, then we can take out the minor.

Barbie, Killers and Oppenheimer doing the expected.

Miss for Poor Things, though again, I think as long as it performs to its apex at BAFTA that shouldn't be *too* concerning.

Usually one ensemble misses in picture, and that is probably The Color Purple, which its nomination frankly seems illogical (though personally I think it is a decent choice for ensemble), given no Barrino at the very least. Seems like one that got in because it has a big cast, also because it has been floundering in so many places in terms of the other guilds.

8000's:

I mean as the man of hidden range, absolutely I could see him bring that cold intense determination, though I think physically might be just a bit too dominating in a way, unless of course Kirk Douglas were to be Mills.

Louis Morgan said...


Tim:

I quite enjoyed the choice of the 2-d animation to convey the past to begin with, and for a film of its ilk a surprisingly intense sequence with the sort of peacock feathers chasing Po's mom being actually rather chilling end of the scene.

Tony:

Angarano is one that I haven't seen in awhile but will always be impressed by his performance in the Stanford Prison Experiment, and has a passing physical resemblance there.

Egerton of course already did Elton John successfully, but why not, Costello, I'd say he actually looks more like the latter and think he could definitely realize that style of presence.

Gyllenhall importantly has the intense eyes is the main reason, and on his best day, which it's been awhile since we've seen that, he could be great in terms of crafting the idiosyncratic presence needed.

I'll admit just largely a generalized physical choice for Deutch.

Luke:

Sarr - 4(His performance brings a needed believable earnestness with his performance which grants the film at the very least an essential heart at the center of it. And while the character is relatively simple as just a hopeful young man hoping to make something out himself. His performance brings an easy likability by being so straightforward in this regard. He's equally good though in the moment of just portraying the horror of some of his situations and the exhaustion. He brings the right genuine qualities in his performance that are frequently reflective in nature. In a way that is convincing and moving.)

Robert:

Kudos to your prediction sir.

Anonymous said...

DGA five is Gerwig, Lanthimos, Nolan, Payne, and Scorsese.

Bryan L. said...

I still feel Jonathan Glazer will get in instead of Greta Gerwig. They've really leaned on picking a choice of their own for the Best Director category recently (Pawlikowski, Vinterberg, Hamaguchi, Ostlund.)

Celine Song or Justine Triet could surprise though, but Glazer feels more likely.

Louis Morgan said...

I can definitely live with that lineup, and glad to see Holdovers and Poor Things theoretically bouncing back after both missing ensemble. I do agree though that Gerwig and Payne are probably vulnerable to either Glazer or Triet, perhaps both for both.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Not to spoil anything obviously but do you intend to review all your fives this year in Lead because I have a feeling there may be more than 10 left in consideration for the alternate lineup if Melton and Scott both miss.

Matt Mustin said...

What's interesting to me about the SAG nominations, aside from what has been mentioned, is that they nominated Jon Hamm for a season of TV that hasn't even finished airing yet.

Tony Kim said...

Matt: Pretty sure they were sent FYC screeners.

Louis: By "that style of presence" are you referring more to what you've seen of Costello in his TV/film appearances?

Also, are you a fan of any of the other artists I listed.



Tony Kim said...

Bryan: What do you think makes Gerwig the most vulnerable from that lineup?