Art Carney and Lee Starsberg did not receive Oscar nominations for portraying Al and Willie respectively in Going in Style.
Art Carney and Lee Strasberg play the equally elderly friends of Joe (George Burns). Joe leads the other two on a bank robbery heist to enliven their later years. Carney and Strasberg are quite different in terms of their history as performers, Carney coming up from his all-time great comedic television work as Ed Norton, which segued successfully to comedically inclined dramatic work on the film. Strasberg on the other hand known for being the famed acting teacher of many legendary performers only really had a brief career in film with this film marking his last feature film in his short career. Anyway, forget all that because you instantly do as you enter the film with the two of them hanging out with Burns as Joe on a park bench in New York. As aforementioned in Burns's review, the chemistry between the guys is the first great bit of their performances together. They share this infectious and honest commaraderie between the three. It is just a given in their interactions, nothing forced in their reactions towards each other or anything they speak is always to an old friend. You are granted a sense from all three that these three have been hanging out at this bench for a long while and together they are just sincerely a group of friends. An important note for Carney's performance is like his Oscar-winning turn in Harry and Tonto, Carney is wholly convincing as a man much older than he was. Carney actually being only in his early sixties but is able to adjust his performance to be wholly fitting right along with both Strasberg and Burns who were genuinely the ages of their characters.
I think a key difference between Carney's and Strasberg's performances is that there's less innate frustration as you see with Burns as they sit on that park bench, although they are certainly set in their ways it is less of a painful element in their performances. In turn, when Joe brings up the idea to the other two that he wants to rob a bank, I love both Carney and Strasberg's performances they are very natural. Strasberg shows Willie just completely confused by the prospect meanwhile Carney is just bemusement at Joe's suggestion. Carney naturally shows this sense of fun with the idea, whereas Strasberg is terrific in real being the voice of reason in his reaction that is with this sort of break in the reality that is known to them. The whole idea is pretty mad and Strasberg's performance voices that initially with such honest disbelief. Both bring separate energy that is just terrific with Carney bringing this excitement over the job, such as when he's describing the guns his nephew has for the job, like a "proper crook" doing the job, even right down to his expression that has the right sort of sense of play. This works so effectively against Strasberg's continued very realistic confusion as Willie still doesn't quite seem to believe his friends, but is slowly more amused by the idea if not even intrigued. He segues within his work just minor expressions and is so natural in what isn't exactly an ordinary situation.
The further they are with the planning the more we get a sense of fun both men start having and in turn, a love of life seems to come across both of their faces. Carney's wonderful in a scene after scoping out of the bank where we get really a bit of classic Ed Norton silly dance movements as Al has some fun playing with the musicians like a much younger man, but I also love what Strasberg does in his more subtle expression of basically Willie getting infected by the promise of the job. Strasberg shows just this spark in his eyes and the sense of Willie starting to really get a kick out of the idea of being a crook as well. Strasberg earns this change so naturally by realizing just a bit more genuine interest to the point he's finally in on it fully. The night before the robbery Strasberg and Carney have a one truly great scene together as Al comforts Willie as he can't sleep. Strasberg is fantastic as Willie talks about an incident where he kept spanking his oldest son, who had died when he was young, to try to get him to confess. Strasberg is heartbreaking in recounting speaking at first with the expectation of what he was meant to do as the "dad" punishing his son for misbehavior but falling into such severe emotion through the sadness he so potently reveals as he notes that the incident broke their relationship and might've sent his son on a bad path. Carney's performance deserves mention in the scene as well, by just his reactions that bring such a powerful empathy to the moment showing Al absolutely being there for Willie as his friends recount this pain from his life. Carney truly puts the support in supporting, by his reactions allowing the scene to be that much more poignant.
The two men though basically get to seemingly escape their past as they go off on their living fantasy of the bank robbery. Both are great in the robbery scene in bringing this physical awkwardness as they initially are brandishing their guns and attempting to play the part of the thugs. That is until Willie has to take action as two people wander into the bank, Strasberg brings out his inner Hyman Roth and delivers some genuine menace as Willie fully buys into the part of the crook. Emphasized all the more as they make their escape and Strasberg is exuding such a genuine thrill in Willie as the one who suddenly is most into really the robbery fully embracing this. It is great work from Strasberg because he breathes real life into the idea, showing such a genuine transformation of the questioning old man, who goes all in, and never does there feel an artifice, rather finding a powerful portrait Willie finding this second wind. To the point that spoilers it is heartbreaking when Willie suddenly dies after the robbery. Carney like Burns is very moving in revealing the real loss of Al losing his friend. Carney after this point shows Al, who really brought the most levity throughout, has just a bit of a somberness within that is striking compared to what we saw of him before that point. Joe in a way to relieve this, and enjoy some of the money, have the two of them go to Las Vegas to gamble and enjoy the "high life". As stated in Burns's review, despite this film seeming lighter, has a bit of a surprising weight to it. With Carney portraying along with Burns this hollowness in the attempted materialistic joy, glimpses of it are in momentary reactions, but always limited. We even get a brief bit of physical comedy from Carney as he non-verbally, and somewhat unknowingly plays around with a young woman (likely a prostitute), that again is just Carney in his comedic powers as a performer. Also just being a great comedic scene partner with Burns as they try to enjoy life as much as they can and in their own ways. Still, in each scene, Carney reflects a great exasperation even within the bits of joy, showing real no matter what gains they might've had from the robbery both men lost more in losing Willie as a friend. Carney and Strasberg's performances endear you to the trio, to each man, and to the whole idea of the endeavor. Even while Burns is the lead and given sort of the dramatic heft of the piece, Strasberg and Carney in their supporting parts offer endearing and also very moving portraits of the two old men finding an unexpected spark in their lives.
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Louis: Your top ten acting moments for Carney and Strasberg?
Tahmeed:
Carney:
1. Any delayed Action - The Honeymooners
2. The Morgue - Harry and Tonto
3. Getting the upper hand - The Late Show
4. Doing the Hucklebuck - The Honeymooners
5. Talking to his younger son - Harry and Tonto
6. Cagney Audition - The Honeymooners
7. Listening to Willie's Story - Going in Style
8. Bringing it All together - The Late Show
9. A plot in the Raccoon graveyard - The Honeymooners
10. Teaching Ralph how to golf - The Honeymooners
I could go pretty deep with Honeymooners moments but I'll limit it to 5.
Strasberg:
1. It's the business we have chosen - The Godfather Part II
2. Willie's story - Going in Style
3. Meeting with Michael - The Godfather Part II
4. During the Robbery - Going in Style
5. Final interview - The Godfather Part II
6. After the robbery - Going in Style
7. Slicing the Cake - The Godfather Part II
8. Listening to Joe's Idea - Going in Style
9. Street Musicians - Going in Style
10. Buying masks - Going in Style
your thoughts on the "It's the business we've chosen" scene and Roth's execution from The Godfather 2?
Tim:
A great scene which I mention in my review of Strasberg, but I love it narratively as the scene of Roth really revealing the motivation behind everything he's been doing to get Michael based on the death of Moe Greene. In a way him losing his composure and Michael through that getting the confirmation that Roth has been the mastermind all along.
The Godfather Part II assassinations you feel very differently about than the ones in the original (a brilliance of the sequel being portraying the contrasts in such a fascinating way). Out of the three deaths though, Roth's probably the one the viewer is "happiest" about, however even it is a bit of subversion as he basically gets Jack Rubied with Rocco's smiling walking up before shooting. The difference here from the death of the five families is Rocco getting quickly gunned down, making it all just a suicide mission.
Louis: Your thoughts on the scene from Blue Velvet where Frank is at the bar listening to Dorothy sing?
Louis: In what ways would you consider the second Godfather an improvement over the original?
8000's:
Well, one thing is certain, Frank Booth loves music. And what I think is really the truth of the character in this, is not that he has some deep side, rather any emotion he feels is that of an extreme. Whether that is anger that leads to such bloody violence or lust that leads to such depraved sex, or music. Most people feel emotion with music, but with Frank, who can only experience the extreme, he's overwhelmed.
Anonymous:
I would not use the term "improvement", as I don't think it "improves" anything even though I prefer part II but I consider both masterpieces. One's preference for masterpieces I'd say is where film is at its most personal, and Part II just leaves an even greater impact on me, personally. Now I can point to the intimate beauty of Vito's immigrant story, or the brilliant daring of depicting a tragedy of a man who "saves" his family by destroying every personal connection he has. But it isn't as though the first film lacks those elements so to speak, it is just telling a different story.
Louis: I'm surprised I've never asked you this, but your thoughts on'it was an abortion Michael' from The Godfather Part II?
Louis: Your thoughts on the opening credits for Only Murders in the Building, Peacemaker and Severance?
Louis: Thoughts on this video of Lynch cooking quinoa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSP-ewdJYJc
Louis: Your 2020s casts and directors for Memento and Django Unchained?
Tahmeed:
I mean a great scene, and Pacino's work in that scene is incredible because it is one of the few moments in the film (along with realizing Fredo's betrayal) where Michael is caught of guard and Pacino is fantastic in showing that icy reserve of his break as he's trying to hold it in such a powerful moment of realization. In the scene itself, you see the complete decay of his family technically at his most personal and most immediate, his children listening in becoming damaged by the parents' conflict then Kay initially attempting to negotiate through the moment before revealing her "ace" as basically one of the few ways she could legitimately hurt Michael. It's great though seeing how the two bend between each other with a broken communication as Kay tries to lay it out calmly while Michael is barely paying attention then he goes on the attack in dismissing her and she is backed into the corner, and you have only understanding when they both attack each other Kay mentally against Michael to Michael immediate physical attack. Brilliantly written and performed.
Anonymous:
I believe I've covered Peacemaker's before recently.
Only Murders in the Building is lovely in its simplicity, in the simple art style crafting the kind of diorama almost of a murderhouse mystery though instead as an apartment building backed up by a simple yet properly misterioso tune.
Severance though is properly maddening playing onto the often ideas of the strange confusion and seemingly pointless bureaucracies here realized in multiple strange and properly mind-bending ways. Backed up by a wonderfully simple tune as well in just piano with a bit more that is off-putting in just the right way of it being not quite perfect.
Ytrewq:
Memento 2020's directed by The Safdie Brothers:
Leonard: Robert Pattinson
Natalie: Jessica Rothe
Teddy: Walton Goggins
Burt: Benny Safdie
Sammy Jankins: David Costabile
Mrs. Jankis: Siobhan Fallon Hogan
Jimmy Grantz: Buddy Duress
Django Unchained 2020's directed by Jordan Peele:
Django Freeman: John David Washington
Dr. King Schultz: Mads Mikkelsen
Calvin Candie: Andrew Garfield
Stephen: Delroy Lindo
Broomhilda: Teyonah Parris
Billy Crash: Boyd Holbrook
Butch/Ace: Michael Wincott
Big Daddy: James Spader
8000's:
Only Lynch could turn a cooking video into an experience that would be fitting to one of his films, moments of pure horror and strange levity.
Louis: A tad random, but what are your thoughts on this scene from "Breaking Bad", where Jesse teaches another cartel lab how to cook?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kyxZI1UCKM&ab_channel=BreakingBad%26BetterCallSaul
For myself, it's one of my favourite Jesse moments on the show, and one that exemplifies his intelligence - not academically like Walt, but more in terms of being very tenacious and quick to react/adapt.
I actually think Aaron Paul would make a great Teddy for Memento.
Additionally, Jackie Earle Haley for Django's Old Man Carrucan just for the purpose of that deliciously evil cameo.
Louis: What would be your casting choices for these presidential candidates if they were to make biopics of them:
John C. Fremont
Henry Clay
William Jennings Bryan
Eugene V. Debs
Robert M. La Follette
Wendell Wilkie
Henry A. Wallace
Thomas E. Dewey
Adlai Stevenson II
Barry Goldwater
George McGovern
John B. Anderson
Sooooooo.....Paul Walter Hauser for Jonah Hills' cameo then?
Louis: Since I believe it originated from the film, your thoughts on "Call Me" from American Gigolo?
Also, you haven't answered what I asked about "Embrace of the Serpent/Stalker". Sorry for going on about that, but it kept me pondering whilst I was watching Stalker.
your 2020s Casts and Directors for Some Like It Hot, Sunset Boulevard and The Apartment?
I was thinking Bradley Cooper for Joe Gillis and maybe Ron Perlman for Jeff Sheldrake?
Louis: Any possibility of Hepburn going up slightly for The Philadelphia Story?
Mitchell:
It is a great scene for the reasons as you said, but also you see how in the right circumstances (aka without Walter) Jesse could've matured to be a true partner with Gus. It's also great in seeing how he reworks everything to be dominant based on what he knows about the cook, as opposed to the incompetent Eladio chemistry in terms of doing the actual job (though more knowledgeable with the science in a purely academic sense).
Ytrewq:
Most definitely.
8000's:
John C. Fremont: Adam Driver
Henry Clay: Gary Oldman
William Jennings Bryan: Simon Russell Beale
Eugene V. Debs: Edward Norton
Robert M. La Follette: David Lynch or Kenneth Branagh
Wendell Wilkie: Stellan Skarsgard
Henry A. Wallace: Damian Lewis
Thomas E. Dewey: Since Richard Benjamin is too old...uh Stephen Graham to play the law for a change, also a Dewey biopic could be amazing.
Adlai Stevenson II: Frank Wood
Barry Goldwater: Tommy Lee jones
George McGovern: Barry Bostwick
John B. Anderson: Bill Irwin
Tim:
Some Like it Hot 2020's directed by Max Barbakow:
Sugar Kane: Margot Robbie
Joe: Riz Ahmed
Jerry: Andy Sandberg
Spats: Christopher Meloni
Osgood: Jeff Goldblum
Sunset Boulevard 2020's directed by Paul Thomas Anderson:
Joe Gillis: Christopher Abbott
Norma Desmond: Nicole Kidman
Max von Mayerling: Werner Herzog
Betty: Daisy Edgar-Jones
The Apartment 2020's directed by Spike Jonze (Side note when is he going to make a feature fictional film again?):
C.C. Baxter: Steven Yeun
Fran: Saoirse Ronan
Sheldrake: Hugh Jackman
Dr. Dreyfuss: David Krumholtz
Miss Olsen: Jena Malone
Cooper would be an ideal Joe in 2010, I think you need someone more traditionally handsome and wholesome than Perlman for that role.
Robert:
I could see it, I actually envisioned Safdie Memento as what if Leonard basically didn't have any patience, so I could see his energy working for that.
Bryan:
Makes sense.
Not sure it really fits the overall tone of the film all the way (particularly if you look at the lyrics as Gere's characters sort of advertisement so to speak), but it is a decent hyperactive eighties tune. With the extremely repeated yet wholly effective energetic backing of the constant drums and guitar, that then comes in with the mix of the chorus and verses that is kind of overtly spirited but in a way that works.
Yes they are connected, though I would actually say in a way the two are if you connected those two films with fittingly Apocalypse Now more so I think terms of overall intensity and partially in structure. Certainly connected with Stalker in terms of the character's philosophies being test through the journey each time.
Marcus:
Given I can't remember what I originally gave her, maybe.
Has anyone seen Uncoupled on Netflix? I haven’t, but it was just released yesterday, and if you look closely you can see me in several shots in the first episode!
Louis: You gave her a 3.5 for that film.
Michael: I haven't but if I do I'll make sure to keep an eye out for those shots!
Louis: You've no idea how much I adore those retro Wilder casts, especially The Apartment one. And hey, for Sunset Boulevard could even get Gary Goetzman to cameo as the Demille equivalent.
Louis: I wouldn't want to take away these parts from them, but what do you think of Cagney in Burns' role and his buddy Pat O'Brien in Carney's role?
Calvin:
Yes, and Val Kilmer, Naomi Watts and Sam Neill as the "waxworks".
8000's:
I could definitely have seen that, as ideal as the casting already was, and certainly is a late role Cagney would've been great for.
Apropos of nothing, I was just wondering ... what is the most recent instance of a subtle performance winning the Oscar for Leading Actor? When it comes to Supporting Actor, we've had a couple recent instances of subdued pieces of acting winning, but I'm not sure about Leading Actor.
Since you guys all are better versed in the history and complexities of Oscar nominated/winning performances, what would y'all say is the most recent subtle Best Actor-winning performance?
Louis: While I know that Yamada in Throne of Blood is your winner for Supporting Actress for 1957 (she's also my win), could you give your full thoughts on her? I can't find thoughts on her anywhere, only for Tokyo Twilight and The Lower Depths.
Also, is Mifune a 4 or a 4,5 for The Lower Depths?
R.I.P. Nichelle Nichols
8000's:
That would've been when I covered 57 earlier.
4.5.
Anonymous:
Adrien Brody - The Pianist
Robert Duvall - Tender Mercies
Art Carney - Harry & Tonto
Paul Scofield - A Man For All Seasons
R.I.P. Nichelle Nichols
RIP. Nichelle Nichols
Louis: Your thoughts on this skit about 'great' acting?
https://youtu.be/REFFzvTROVs
Louis: Wow, have there really only been four subtle performances to win Actor?! Also, would you consider Hopkins in The Father to be subtle acting (aside from the final scene)?
Marcus:
Eh didn't think it was that funny. Although yes compilations tend to focus on big acting (which is in itself is neither a good or bad thing, always on how it is performed and if fits the character/the scene/the film).
Anonymous:
No, I was using the example of performances that are almost entirely subtle. Most great performances have a degree of subtlety even if they're on the whole "big". In terms of the last decade or so, Hopkins, Affleck, McConaughey and Day-Lewis's winning performances in particular are a healthy mix of very big moments surrounded by a lot of subtle greatness.
Louis:
Ah, yeah that makes sense! :)
Louis: On the topic of Hopkins, what are your thoughts on this video essay? https://youtu.be/4kSGkGKwp9U
RIP, Nichelle Nichols and Pat Carroll
RIP Nichelle Nichols and Pat Carroll
Anonymous:
An excellent example of the greatness of Hopkins at his best as an actor as he so specifically finds so much nuance in every line.
Louis what would you say are the most subtle performances nominated for Best Actor?
Anonymous:
Anthony Hopkins - The Remains of the Day
Stephen Rea - The Crying Game
Gary Oldman - Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy
Richard Farnsworth - The Straight Story
Steven Yeun - Minari
Stuart Whitman - The Mark
Alan Arkin - The Heart Is A Lonely Hunter
Bruce Dern - Nebraska
Peter Fonda - Ulee's Gold
Richard Jenkins - The Visitor
Thanks, Louis! On the other hand, what would you say are the most subtle Supporting Actor nominees and winners?
Anonymous:
Winners:
Ben Johnson - The Last Picture Show
Haing S. Ngor - The Killing Fields
Benicio Del Toro - Traffic
Mahershala Ali - Moonlight
Robert De Niro - The Godfather Part II
Donald Crisp - How Green Was My Valley
George Clooney - Syriana (theoretically)
Nominees:
Sam Shepard - The The Right Stuff
Robert Forster - Jackie Brown
Sam Jaffe - The Asphalt Jungle
Kodi Smit-McPhee - The Power of the Dog
Christopher Walken - Catch Me If You Can
Pete Postlethwaite - In The Name of the Father
Martin Landau - Crimes and Misdemeanors
Richard Farnsworth - Comes a Horseman
Jack Nicholson - Reds
Joe Pesci - The Irishman
Louis: In regards to what you said about Shimura as Noah Cross in a Kurosawa Chinatown cast, you could have him wear platform shoes, much like Bogart did in Casablanca.
Also, for a 60's Japanese Apocalypse Now, Kobayashi for director with Nakadai as Willard and Mifune as Kurtz?
Regarding Better Call Saul, have to say now I'm really disappointed they didn't find a way to get Don Harvey. The phone booth scene was amazing. The rest of the episode (both the flashbacks and the Nebraska) felt like a bit of wheel turning honestly. Yeah there was some progression, but felt like it could've been accomplished a whole lot faster with the Nebraska stuff. The flashbacks felt like deleted scenes (not bad ones, but not necessary ones).
8000's:
There's more to physical menace than just height.
Yes on all three accounts.
Mostly liked the Better Call Saul episode quite a bit, but I agree that the flashbacks were problematic, but I'll leave at that for now. Odenkirk was amazing though, particularly in the way he balanced everything so effortlessly.
Shoutout to the secret MVP of the episode, that amazing dog.
‘George Clooney - Syrania (theoretically)’ lmao
Regarding BCS's episode, I feel like the flashback scenes did their appropriate job at re-contextualizing Breaking Bad. Particularly how much Saul enabled and made Heisenberg into what he became, while also drawing important parellels with the Nebraska plot. Though I definitely understand the "wheels turning" aspect of it.
Outside of the unfortunate aging issues on the aforementioned flashbacks, I really enjoyed it.
One thing I realized watching the last two BCS episodes: I don't think I like the black and white cinematography. Not just as a creative choice, I just think that it just doesn't *look* good for some reason.
Louis:Your 10 best Ted Levine and Wesley Snipes moments?
Random viewing note here; I re-watched "Lilo and Stitch" of all things last night, and for being two decades old this year, it holds up remarkably well. I've really come to appreciate it's depiction of Hawaiian culture, soundtrack, water colour animation and titular duo - both for the amusing antics of Stitch/the aliens, and the moving portrayal of two sisters dealing with tragedy. To that point, Lilo is one of the most realistic child characters of any animated film I've seen.
Jeez, An already finished Batgirl has been cancelled by Warner Bros.
Louis: Any thoughts on this.
And ratings and thoughts on the cast of The Human Factor.
Has anyone else here seen Spy x Family on Netflix? Pretty delightful anime that took me off guard, highly recommend it.
Ytrewq:
Levine:
1. Lotion - The Silence of the Lambs
2. Beautiful Day - Shutter Island
3. "Great big fat person" - The Silence of the Lambs
4. Kidnapping - The Silence of the Lambs
5. Dog threat - The Silence of the Lambs
Snipes:
1. Raymond wins the bet - The Waterdance
2. Hustle Gone Wrong - White Men Can't Jump
3. No better take - Dolemite is My Name
4. Negotiation - White Men Can't Jump
5. Dealing - New Jack City
6. Initial scenes - The Waterdance
7. Running off - Dolemite is My Name
8. Whistler's Death - Blade
9. Ending - White Men Can't Jump
10. Hayes's "Audition" - Major League
Luke:
Given the studio released Suicide Squad (2016), I have to say it is a rather strange decision as even if it is terrible, they've had terrible films before. It's a bad sign when a company decides to take a tax break rather than release a film. Although I say it say more about the company than probably even the quality of the film. I also guess the HBO Max only must've not been great for them, since it likely would've garnered decent viewership on the platform.
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