Monday 13 June 2022

Alternate Best Actor 1979: Klaus Kinski in Woyzeck

Klaus Kinski did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying  Friedrich Johann Franz Woyzeck in Woyzeck. 

Woyzeck is perhaps an overly brief, though still intriguing, film about a soldier in a rural town. 

This film was made by the team that made Nosferatu, with production starting immediately after that larger-scale production, compared to this shorter, smaller-scale film. What you have though is said to be an exhausted crew and an exhausted star in Klaus Kinski. The quiet and solemn, though still animalistic turn, from Kinksi, offered a bit of a swerve from his innate presence, though it certainly used elements from it. That is the case here again in the role of Woyzeck, who to say is put upon is an understatement. Kinski's trademark intensity is of course present, however, utilized quite differently here as seen from the opening scene of the film. We see Woyzeck as he is put through the soldiers' paces but alone, making it almost look like a comical affair. Kinski has a kind of intensity as he physically straightens up and moves around with all the required soldiering you'd expect. His face though is of exhaustion and desperation within the paces. He's not having fun, nor is he determined in his task, he's rather moving around as a fearful schoolboy just doing what he has to because he's too scared not to do so. 

Kinski's performance here is fascinating because he really is not at all the fearsome warrior, despite playing a soldier, rather he's this rather weak-willed man and while Kinski is many things, that is probably on the bottom of the list when it comes to potential descriptors. Yet here it wholly works in Kinski's performance, where he presents this timid and exhaustive state in his performance. Kinski shows Woyzeck both as a soldier, and often the jack of no trades around town, with a glint of terror in his eyes at all times. He's a man just discomforted in his life and discomforted in his place, yet really too weak to do anything about it. There is that trademark madness in Kinski here yet where we see it is not in outward rage, but rather this kind of internalized petrified quality. He's a man stuck within himself and within anxieties. His whole performance is stiff and overly modest in the right way as someone just defined by his constant fear of the world along with everyone else. Woyzeck basically being this town fool, which Kinski delivers in a uniquely potent way. 

The one area where Woyzeck doesn't seem completely lost is a relatively brief scene of the man with his wife and son as they watch clever Hans the mathematician horse. A notable scene in a way in that for once in his career it seems that Kinski might be just a normal man, however, if that wasn't enough of a stretch, Kinski goes further by bringing this kindly meekness of the moment. He portrays this quiet joy of the man at the moment who does seem to enjoy his family, even as there is still the constant undercurrent of fear still present upon his brow in this moment of comfort. This is quickly subverted as we see his wife entertains another local soldier, who gifts her earrings. This leaving Woyzeck just to ask about them, and even in this Kinski's delivery is remarkable because he manages to be so painfully timid. There is a shyness in this confrontation even and continues to show a man who is basically beaten down by every aspect of the world. 

Naturally being a film that stars Kinski there is going to be a point of no return and this comes as he confronts his wife again, dragging her to a river to murder her for her infidelities. Kinski is downright amazing in this scene. First, as the actual motion of the stabbing is different from usual Kinski's rage, there is such a sense of desperation and kind of confusion about it. Even in this unquestionably permanent act, there is still such a sense of uncertainty in his eyes. The expression on his face is truly what is so incredible about his acting in this scene as it immediately and so naturally segues towards the moment of realization and sadness for his act. His face falls into the man coming into his sense to look even more lost than he already was. Kinski's final scene of him raving as he tries and fails to halfheartedly move on from the crime is still with this weakness even in this state. Kinski shows the man even more cowering than he was before, wholly defeated as he tries to explain to himself the truth of the matter. Kinski portrays just a terrified creature with nothing but his fear to hold on to. Although a relatively brief performance due to the brevity of the film, Kinski delivers a memorable turn here. A performance that contains the intensity he's known for, however, mutilated in a different direction to create such a striking portrait of a man breaking from his confines to become only more pathetic and desperate than he already was. 

92 comments:

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Any thoughts on Herzog's direction.

Luke Higham said...

And rating & thoughts on anyone else of note.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Who would you be rooting for for the Comedy Supporting Actor Emmy this year? (assuming Goldstein and the Barry trio all make it in again).

Also, could Kinski go up for Nosferatu?

8000S said...

Forgot to mention this, but I actually watched The Magician and Cries and Whispers a few months ago.

When it comes to the latter, Ullmann, Thulin and Andersson are easily fives for me. It'll be an interesting top 5 for cinematography for that year. The Godfather, Solaris, Cries and Whispers, Cabaret and Deliverance.

The Magician has some fantastic atmosphere from Bergman and Gunnar Fischer, and Von Sydow is brilliant in a role that requires him to be silent for most of the film.

Mitchell Murray said...

well, I caught up with the latest season of "The Boys" just today (meaning the first 4 episodes currently available, with the next 4 being released in the coming weeks).

This should go without saying, but the show has some of the most messed up gore and explicit content I've viewed recently. Nevertheless, I'm continually impressed by how much their trying to discuss thematically, by the investment they've given for most of the characters - and by how much of a POS they've made Homelander.

Also, it's admittedly cool to see Jensen Ackles in another live action property, and I'm hoping his role/performance pays off in the end.

Maciej said...

RIP Philip Baker Hall, yet another great one.

Shaggy Rogers said...

RIP Philip Baker Hall
You will always be remembered for helping the PTA kid

Anonymous said...

Joker 2 is gonna be a musical starring Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn alongside Phoenix.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Anonymous:And here I was,thinking that hopefully they were going to stop after making Holy Musical,B@tman...

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on these scenes from Touch of Evil.

"Interrogating Sanchez"
"Vargas shows the document to Gould and Adair"
"Quinlan talks about his wife"
"Quinlan murders Grandi"
"Recording Quinlan and Menzies' conversation"

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Also here's something I envisioned:

Sonic the Hedgehog and Sonic the Hedgehog 2-alternate improvement casts

James Arnold Taylor as Sonic (voice)
Ryan Reynolds as Thomas "Tom" Wachowski
Alfred Molina as Dr Robotnik
Colleen O'Shaughnessy as Tails (voice, why not keep her honestly)
Jamie Foxx as Knuckles (voice)

Mitchell Murray said...

I'm late to the party on this one, but I finally watched last year's "Spencer" for the first time. Although I would say Larrain's previous history film "Jackie" is slightly better, it still offered a compelling take on Diana's image and insecurities. That anxiety is well captured in several important scenes, even if the soundtrack becomes a little overbearing at times, and certain elements could've been further expanded (more direct scenes between Diana and Elizabeth, for instance).

Where the film obviously shines, of course, is Kristen Stewart's note perfect portrayal. Here is the performance where I finally see the brilliance many Stewart fans do (speaking as someone who's honestly liked her in a number of roles). The accent is there, the mannerisms are there, the elegance and pose is replicated fully. Also, the nervous delivery/body language Stewart's known for works exceptionally well for Diana, as it so potently captures her anxiety and paranoia in feeling constantly scrutinized or otherwise unbelonging. It's fantastic work, and has bumped my admiration for Stewart a few notches.

Mitchell Murray said...

Also, question for everyone here: What is a film that has irreversably changed your preception of a particular song/band - be it for the better or worse?

Me personally - I will never be able to detach the song "Hip to be square" from an image of Jared Leto getting axed.

Tony Kim said...

Louis - what are your thoughts on Bill Hader and Sarah Goldberg's acting in this scene? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVkObPohrsM

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Mitchell:

1.Back to the Future-The Power of Love
2.Joker-Smile/Send In The Clowns
3.House M.D.-Fight The Power (it's not a movie, but functions in the same,afformentioned way)
4.Big Lebowski-Hotel California (I swear, just beacuse of the first scene with Jesus Quintana I've been getting flooded by false memories of other Gipsy Kings songs being a part of soundtrack)
5.Wayne's World-Bohemian Rhapsody (dishonorable mention, since this basically caused the song to become the most annoyingly overplayed one ever)

Matt Mustin said...

Mitchell-Sister Christian is connected to Boogie Nights for me now FOREVER.

Tim said...

Mitchell: The single most important scene in 21st century american cinema: Big Dick Richie stripping in the gas station in Magic Mike XXL. "I want it that way" was never the same

Bryan L. said...

Mitchell: It obviously wasn’t the first movie to feature it, but I’m now going to think of Promising Young Woman every time I hear “Angel of The Morning” from here on out.

Mitchell Murray said...

The "Sister Christian" and "Hotel California" examples ring particularly true for me.

Also, I'm continuing to ride the praise train for Stewart after doing further research on Diana, as well as some BTS notes of the film. Her breathy, sometimes fractured way of speaking is just so on point with many of Diana's interviews. Once more, there was clearly a lot of stressors weighing on Diana that she couldn't reveal to the press, and Stewart really locks onto that constant, chaotic anxiety swirling behind that poised public shell. It's detailed and striking work, from someone that I wasn't even sure suited the role when I first heard of her casting.

Luke Higham said...

Happy Birthday Daniel

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Happy birthday Luke and Daniel.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Mitchell: Whenever I hear 'A Thousand Miles', I always think of Terry Crews bumping his head along with it in White Chicks.

Luke Higham said...

Thanks Tahmeed :)

Louis: Thoughts on Obi-Wan Episode 5.

Tim said...

Based on Mitchell's question: what are some songs that for you will always be tied to certain Trailers? I know i will never be able to separate "The Funeral" from 127 Hours

8000S said...

Happy birthday, Luke and Daniel.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Herzog's direction here is very sparse with a lot of long takes, natural scenery and really just focusing on the actors performing the adaptation. It works though in creating the sense of the story being relatively mundane more than anything. This emphasizing everything going on just being part of seemingly provincial lives and only really showing his hand in the murder scene, where Herzog very much aggressively emphasizes the moment with his choices of suddenly a burst of style just as it is a shift in Kinski's performance, which certainly works effectively. Very low key work, but certainly works in that sense.

Mattes - 4(Interesting supporting actress CANNES win, and a good performance on just her own terms. This being in managing to create a certain nuance in the wife who cuckolds her husband, though I liked the way she portrayed it with this kind of almost blase sort of manner about her. This as she really doesn't portray it as an act of desperation or violence against her husband, rather this just kind of going along with almost these expected moments of her boring life otherwise. This is even in her moments of trying to reject accusations with a kind of delivery that says as though it doesn't matter, and reinforces the idea of Woyzeck being kind of disregarded by everyone including his wife.)

Tahmeed:

Winkler overall though Goldstein would be a great choice as well. Root would also be a worth inclusion. Though I still liked Carrigan this season, I actually don't think he needs to be nominated for this season.

Maybe, I'll try to revisit during the reviews.

8000's:

It's an interesting scene upon reflection given that Sanchez is in fact entirely guilty, and you see the men painting him as such, and him trying with bravado to hide his guilt while admitting to it. This against Heston's work though just trying to realize the situation for what it is.

A great scene of unraveling the plot, and in many ways showing how to do a righteous hero in the situation.

Quinlan murdering Grandi is done with a horror sweaty bravado and you can see where Welles uses his setting so well, as the heat of the moment is so much within the moment. Also you can see later influence with L.A. Confidential where the greater villain also disposes of the lesser villain through some sudden choking.

An amazing, really, an action scene and just impeccable staging by Welles in every regard of every shot of creating the tension of the two men with Vargas keeping up while also hiding himself. Also fantastic sound design with such a powerful sense of place.

Tony:

I mean amazing work in both in fulfilling the role of the abusive relationship with Goldberg brilliantly seguing from attempted deflection through the laughing before becoming the petrified beaten girlfriend essentially in the moment. Against the sheer desperate intensity from Hader that is truly scary, and again his acting often time in the series isn't at all funny, yet utterly compelling.

Luke:

Whiplash again, hopefully not for the last episode. Still some clunkiness here and there, and in the end the Reva character feels like a missed opportunity both in terms of writing and performance. Definitely potential there that wasn't quite realized. Still strong work from McGregor that brings it all together, and pretty strong one sided fight scene at the end that was memorable. Although two characters surviving from a wound that has shown to be always deadly in all Star Wars materials is a little much.

Anonymous said...

Louis: What turned your opinion on performers like Cruise and Washington around? In your earlier reviews, it seemed as though you didn't think much of them as actors in general.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

With Cruise I'll admit it more stemmed from animosity towards some of his earlier work like Color of Money and Born on the Fourth of July, and really just not giving enough credit to his "Cruise control" performances as the rock solid leading man. As even then I always thought he was great in Magnolia and Collateral.

With Washington it has always been that I thought he was a good actor, that was never something I disputed, I just didn't put him as highly as others. The greater appreciation came though from some great later performances, but also I'll admit my philosophy rightfully changed, as the very early days of the this, I'll admit I suffered from the wrong belief (that I often see as misguided philosophy now of some) that realistic = good acting, which that isn't the case, it's all contextual. Hence a greater appreciation of his bombastic, but with proper intention, of his work in Training Day.

Perfectionist said...

Washington's performance in Malcolm X honestly might be my single most favorite performance from 90s decade. Like unparalleled when it comes to 1992 year itself. So I was a bit surprised to see his ranking that low at first. Probably my win for Hurricane too. As for Cruise, I also particularly dislike those two performances as well and it took time for him to grow on me as an actor too. So I can understand. There are a great deal of Tom Cruise performances that I like/love now.

RatedRStar said...

Happy Birthday Luke

Luke, Tahmeed and 8000s: Thank you very much, gosh I am 30, my hair is not grey yet, my Emo hair shall remain =D.

Luke Higham said...

Thank you 8000S and Daniel. :)

Calvin Law said...

Happy birthday Luke and Daniel!

I am very interested to see if Winkler can win this year because it is VERY different kind of work than what we’ve become accustomed to from him on the show, but in a great way. Kind of funny that honestly Fuches probably had the most lighthearted storyline this season overall.

Luke Higham said...

Thank You Calvin :)

RatedRStar said...

Thank you Calvin =D xx

Calvin Law said...

Louis: your thoughts on the scenes of Fuches being taken in by the family after being shot? I thought those were some of the funniest moments of this season with how they were played so over the top and sincerely as a ‘redemption’ possibility only for Fuches to so swiftly turn it around.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Calvin: The pompous 50’s-Western-epic-styled score really helped those scenes.

Bryan L. said...

Happy Birthday, Luke & Daniel

RatedRStar said...

Bryan L: Thank you xxx

Louis Morgan said...

Luke & Daniel:

Happy birthday Gentlemen.

Calvin:

Absolutely hilarious due to just how overly idyllic it is, and how the family is so loving towards him, despite finding him with a bullet wound, particularly the especially beautiful daughter immediately in love with Fuches for no identifiable reason is just perfect. For the punchline of Fuches still refusing to give up his grudge.

RatedRStar said...

Louis: Thank you very much Louis

ruthiehenshallfan99 said...

Happy birthday, Luke and Daniel!

Luke Higham said...

Thank You Louis, Bryan and RuthieHenshallfan99. :)

RatedRStar said...

ruthiehenshallfan99: Thank youuu =D

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on the Blonde trailer.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Looks amazing though as in it "Looks" amazing visually speaking, but little else can be parsed from that teaser. The films delays upon delays for release, despite having been completed awhile ago, leave me with much concern, although to be fair Jesse James also struggled to find its release as well. I hope like that film, it is the masterpiece that struggled to get free, not a misguided misfire.

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the Scene d'Amour music piece from Vertigo.

Mitchell Murray said...

Luke: That final shot was so evocative of Monroe...it's no wonder they included it.

Should the film pick up similar praise, it would also be interesting to compare "Blonde" with "My Week with Marilyn" - and by extension, the work of de Armas and Williams (Whose performance is good but limited by the movie's overall scope). One thing that may help de Armas is that even though Williams' is closer to Monroe in appearence, de Armas is perhaps closer to her in general screen presence.

Tim said...

your thoughts on Tom Hanks' recent statements that he and any other straight actor "would not play a gay character nowadays as it would not be authentic"?

let's just say ... i disagree. I will not elaborate further as i may start becoming mean

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

One of the greatest pieces of film scoring ever composed, in one of the greatest scenes of all time. This as every aspect realizes the emotional state of the moment which is that of such intensity, however more so the idea of love via obsession to achieve the fantasy of a false love in two different ways. Although you can take Hitchcock's choices with Burks, or just Stewart's acting to feel, this alone, but it is combination of those so potent elements with Herrmann's score that makes the scene as powerful as it is. Herrmann's working being such an absolutely haunting piece that feels a kind of memory of the love initially, that builds into the obsession of it when Scottie's love seems to be resurrected in front of him. The score though in its rising is perfection, because it isn't a perfect romantic piece, even in the reunion, there's that sadness even as it becomes more upbeat. Extraordinary work.

Louis Morgan said...

Tim:

To focus solely on Hanks's perspective, I'd disagree based on firstly that the idea presupposes that an actor's personal life must be known for casting to even be allowed, which seems frankly odd. It is also coming from someone who played other roles with highly specified backgrounds of experience such as a military man or a mentally challenged men. Those are also unique experiences that define a person. However Hanks is an ACTOR, therefore he is trying to empathize with the idea and depict in a way so others can empathize as well. Now this shouldn't be taken that there isn't a more reasonable idea of trying to give opportunities to other performers, personally I'd probably rather see say Ben Whishaw play the part, but as with most changes there can be too much of a push to change with a hammer that disregards nuance. I will say bluntly all actors aren't created equal in terms of acting talent, the best person for a part may be based on that qualification. Like all the non-Guatemalan parts Oscar Isaac has excelled in because of the talent rather than his non-existent background as a Jewish folk singer. Moving towards giving more appropriate opportunities is good, but to reject the very notion of the idea of acting is playing someone who can be very different than you is an over-correction.

Also though it does seem odd for Hanks to talk about authenticity, when he seems to be playing Colonel Tom Parker as Peter Lorre and Sydney Greenstreet's bastard child.

Mitchell Murray said...

Not sure if this is fully related, but I just learned a few days ago that Kevin Conroy is gay.

Does knowing that suddenly change my preception of him/his voice work? Not in the slightest. Did Conroy's sexuality influence his many performances as Batman? Not particularly; Batman obviously isn't gay due to his relations with Selina and Talia, but he's also a billionaire orphan who miraculously wields every known martial art and gadget to fight supervillains, all the while dressed as a flying rodent with kevlar. My point? The character has many avenues which an actor - regardless of personal background - can research and convey. In Batman's case at least, his sexual preference is not his most defining or important trait, so it shouldn't matter if the actor playing him doesn't share it.

Matt Mustin said...

Mitchell: I do NOT like the way you have worded that, dude. The story Conroy wrote was actually explicitly about how he related to Batman *because* he is a gay man.

Aidan Pittman said...

A bit behind now, but happy late birthday Luke and Daniel!

Michael Patison said...

Mitchell: I wrote a whole long thing about how much I don't think you understand what he wrote and how your comments could, if read in the wrong way, even come off as vaguely dismissive of people with life experiences different to your own. That didn't post, so I'll just say this. Bruce Wayne is in the closet about being Batman. Conroy was in the closet about being gay. If there's nothing in those dual secret identities that informed Conroy's work then I must need some new eyes.

Matt Mustin said...

Mitchell: Actually, the more I think about it, the more "it shouldn't matter if he doesn't share it" is really really bothering me, because that is very specific wording that sounds a lot like "I don't think he needed to share it", which...just think about that.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

That position sure is an interesting one to take by Hanks. For one, I 100% agree that only trans performers should play trans characters, and that Jared Leto's performance in Dallas Buyers Club is just offensive in every conceivable way. I just don't think cis actors are capable of replicating that very specific lived experience, and any effort itself wouldn't come close to reality.

On the question of sexual orientation, when I think of the numerous straight actors who did deliver great performances as gay men - William Hurt, Heath Ledger and Raul Julia come to mind - they obviously were capable of empathizing with that experience and showing it in their work. I'm all for more representation for disadvantaged groups though, and I'd rather there wouldn't be any trade-off between authenticity and quality of performance, which are both important.

RatedRStar said...

Aidan: Thanks very much.

Louis Morgan said...

Well finished Under the Banner of Heaven, and honestly it's just a bit of slog. There's definitely a story there, but needed to be tightened considerably either into a feature or a shorter miniseries. The main problem is the writing that is just repetitive in its message of "Mormonism bad mmmmmkay", and worse than that, its method comes off of unnaturalistic preaching rather than natural discourse between characters. Every conversation that broaches the matter comes off as the writer speaking rather than the characters having naturalistic dialogue. Worse though is it just doesn't find much variation in its message, it just keeps saying the same general idea again and again with some extremely heavy handed direction only exacerbating it all.

1. Sam Worthington
2. Chloe Pirrie
3. Andrew Garfield
4. Daisy Edgar-Jones
5. Christopher Heyerdahl
6. Rory Culkin
7. Wyatt Russell
8. Gil Birmingham
9. Denise Gough
10. Seth Numrich
11. Billy Howle
12. All the History of Mormonism performers which felt like mediocre history channel recreations for the part.

Luke Higham said...

Thoughts on Garfield, Pirrie and Worthington.

Luke Higham said...

Thank You Aidan. :)

8000S said...

Louis: In case you haven't, your thoughts on Burks and Metty's work on Vertigo and Touch of Evil respectively.

Also, it looks like Toland actually did shoot some plates for Notorious. Makes you wish he had done a Hitchcock movie with him as the DP, doesn't it?

Mitchell Murray said...

Michael and Matt: Look, I'm sorry if how I phrased my comment regarding Conroy came off the wrong way. And for full disclosure, I have not read Conroy's article "Finding Batman", so perhaps theres information that I could've been more informed on.

To reiterate, my whole point was that Conroy being gay shouldn't reduce one's view of his work, or turn people away from his casting in the first place. He made for a great Batman as a gay man, so no...it doesn't matter that Conroy isn't heterosexual. He and every non-straight actor should have the right to be cast/judged fairly, in roles they can play well and empathize with, regardless of how close their personal lives align with the character. If there's something offensive in that sentiment that I'm just not aware of, then help me understand it because I think we're on the same page overall.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Thoughts on the rest of the Under the Banner of Heaven cast (#4-11).

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Had the choice between watching Jurassic World Dominion or rewatching Top Gun: Maverick with my dad.

TG: Maverick totally holds up, hope it stays on the year end top 10.

Marcus said...

Louis: Are there any films you refuse to watch on principle?

Perfectionist said...

Tahmeed: Your ratings for the TG: Maverick cast??

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Perfectionist_ad: Realized I didn't give them before, but they are:

Cruise - 4
Teller - 3.5
Powell - 4
Kilmer - 4
Connelly - 2.5
Hamm - 3
Pullman - 3
Barbaro - 3
Parnell - 3.5
Salahuddin - 3

Luke Higham said...

RIP Jean-Louis Trintignant

Anonymous said...

I know it's too early to tell, but screw it, I'm rooting for Top Gun Maverick to receive Oscar nominations for best cinematography, editing, sound, song and visual effects.
If the Academy continues this insistence on including popular films in the best picture category, I'd rather see it on the list than White Noise, She Said and Canterbury Glass.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

RIP Jean-Louis Trintignant

Calvin Law said...

RIP Jean-Louis Trintignant

Anyone else see Cha Cha Real Smooth? Really disliked it myself.

RatedRStar said...

RIP Jean-Louis Trintignant

Robert MacFarlane said...

Can corroborate Calvin, Cha Cha Real Smooth is absolute crap.

RIP JLT

Tony Kim said...

Louis and to anyone else here who've seen Barry S3 - how would you rank the season, from favourite to least favourite?

For me, something like:

Limonada
Starting Now
710N
Candy Asses
All the Sauces
Crazytimeshitshow
Forgiving Jeff
Ben Mendelsohn

Fine episodes, all.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Tony:

starting now
limonada
candy asses
710N
crazytimeshitshow
all the sauces
ben mendelsohn
forgiving jeff

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your top ten performances in movies about boxing?

Maciej said...

RIP Jean-Louis Trintignant

Tim said...

R.I.P. Jean-Louis Trintignant

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis: your 10 best Stephen Tobolowsky moments?

Mitchell Murray said...

Just curious - has anyone here seen Brian Rowe's oscar breakdowns on youtube? I'm finding him to be an accurate and generally detailed in his commentaries, and for anyone who's interested, here's his video regarding Robin Williams winning in 98'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4CurqVty58

Also, this will be the last time I'm commenting here for a good while. The upcoming weeks will give me a chance to stay off the internet, something I'm looking foward to since I know many of us don't have that luxery. And with recent comments, it may be a good thing that I won't be able to provide my input - not that it's always been terribly important or insightful, honestly. So for the meantime, I again apologize to those I've unintentionally offended, and wish everyone here the best in their lives.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Garfield - (I'll say most of the actors barring Pirrie and Worthington suffer to a degree from the ham-handed writing and repetitive storytelling. This as what Garfield is doing here is dynamic in creating the sense of the internalized conflict in the man as a devout Mormon being forced to face the questionable elements of his faith. This as Garfield brings that sense of presence of the religious man with conviction and the pain of being challenged. Naturally seguing that towards some sense of understanding then conviction to stand against the violence done in the name of his specific religion. That is all well performed, it is unfortunately put on repeat continually with his work so it does become overly familiar at a certain point. Still a good performance from him even with the weak writing at times.)

Pirrie - (Her performance I think was probably the most interesting even if the series often treats her as an afterthought. This in that she brings so much nuance in her work suggesting such a tremendous initial trauma, just as she portrays this intensity of optimism of a woman who wants to desperately turn her life around to the point of trying to be blind a little bit to her own life becoming even darker than it was. There Pirrie is quite effective though in balancing the sense of internalized conflict while also playing the different sides to different people in maintaining the loyalty just as she also doesn't really believe in it at all.)

Worthington - (As per usual for Worthington when not playing "leading man", Worthington is quite good here and gives the most complete performance in the series that never falls within repetition. This as he's good in portraying a man seemingly well put together and just living his life as he can. This though slowly seguing towards a more natural desperation of the man as he deals with one thing not going his way after another. This before Worthington shows the man struggling all the more though in portraying the man rock bottom desperation before finding his strange deranged inspiration. This that Worthington though realizes as with a real depth in creating the sense of the man attempting to find purpose while also being constantly penetrated by the intensity of his desperation.)

8000's:

I feel I probably have at some point.

And yes, it is a shame Toland didn't work with every great filmmaker from the period honestly.

Anonymous:

Well quick thoughts then.

Edgar-Jones - (Manages to give depth to the victim and manages to give a moving portrayal of the woman navigating the patriarchal world best she can.)

Heyerdahl - (Manages to give the right balance in portraying the cheerful Mormon father with the more tyrannical nature of the fierce father, and also the old man becoming concerned with his sons going off on a deep end.)

Culkin - (Actually thought he portrayed the fanaticism particularly well by putting in these pointed, even comical, breaks in it at times, showing his character nearly reading from a script in his performance as the devotee but in fact just a pawn.)

Russell - (Could've been a great performance if there was just less of it. This as he's very good in portraying the demented smiling zealousness of his increasingly insane character. The problem is his character is at a deep end and the show just keeps showing him at that deep end. It gets a little tired, and less would've been more here.)

Louis Morgan said...

Birmingham - (A shame there's the last episode where he gets some terribly written speeches that feel far too written, and Birmingham sadly struggles with them a bit. He's good though before then in the scenes of his character more naturally prodding Garfield's character to face the truth, while also portraying the right dogged conviction of the investigator.)

Gough - (Mostly just fine in portraying the sensitivity in being both out and in a situation. That's until her last scene where she goes way over the top, with again delivering an unnaturally written speech.)

Numrich - (Given the nature of the role could've been terrible, he's just okay, so I guess that's a win in a way.)

Howle - (Feel a bit sorry for him because basically he's forced throughout the whole series to deliver all the exposition that just comes off as written as a diatribe from the series creator, rather than this character sharing his feelings. In turn Howle's work becomes very one note and just goes on and on with that same beat. Again, it isn't what is being said that's the problem, it's how it is being said, it just never comes off as a person sharing these thoughts in a tough situation, rather it feels like someone writing an editorial.)

Marcus:

Snuff films and Avatar 2 (In the theater anyways).

Tony:

starting now
710N
limonada
candy asses
all the sauces
crazytimeshitshow
Forgiving Jeff
Ben Mendelsohn

Anonymous:

1. Joe Pesci - Raging Bull
2. Robert De Niro - Raging Bull
3. Sylvester Stallone - Creed
4. Barry Fitzgerald - The Quiet Man
5. Renato Salvatori - Rocco and His Brothers
6. Kirk Douglas - Champion
7. Carl Weathers - Rocky
8. John Wayne - The Quiet Man
9. Michael B. Jordan - Creed
10. Maureen O'Hara - The Quiet Man

Ytrewq:

Well truly any time he tells a story, but without that:

1. Insulin - Memento
2. Ned's intro - Groundhog's Day
3. Phil gets a little too familiar - Groundhog's Day
4. "You captured their stunt Doubles" - Spaceballs
5. New age healer - Seinfeld
6. In placement - Memento
7. "Let's not spoil it" - Groundhog's Day
8. Air travel argument - Silicon Valley
9. Hateful speech - Mississippi Burning
10. Don't Miss - Silicon Valley












R.I.P Jean-Louis Trintignant, still don't understand with all that international love for Amour, how he received so little of it.

Anonymous said...

Louis what would you say are the ten best director swang songs aka last films by directors?

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis, thoughts on the trailer for Prizefighter?

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Kind of an interesting question as the last films either can be one of no particular note, a sad example of where a career ended up, a stylistic shot in the dark, kind of the retiree style low key final film which are also a respectable way to go. The sort true final mark great film is typically the rarity.

1. Three Colors: Red (Krzysztof Kieslowski)
2. Once Upon a Time in America (Sergio Leone)
3. A Fish Called Wanda (Charles Crichton)
4. Before the Devil Knows You're Dead (Sidney Lumet)
5. Sleuth (Joseph L. Mankiewicz)
6. Yi Yi (Edward Yang)
7. The Dead (John Huston)
8. The Stranger (Satyajit Ray)
9. Madadayo (Akira Kurosawa)
10. Family Plot (Alfred Hitchcock)

Didn't count Charles Laughton or non-feature films.

Ytrewq:

From that looks pretty rote, with some bad cinematography. Crowe and Winstone look like they could be having some fun, but otherwise nothing about that looked terribly inspired even in a well worn sort of way.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: To add to that list, Elem Klimov's Come And See.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Also I've just finished watching the first season of Fargo. What else to say really, even though that's just the beginning, the whole Fargo universe is already becoming one of my favorite ones in fiction.

Cast ranking with ratings:
1.Martin Freeman
2.Billy Bob Thornton-5
3.Allison Tolman-4.5
4.Colin Hanks
5.Oliver Platt
6.Bob Odenkirk
7.Glenn Howerton-4
8.Kate Walsh
9.Joshua Close
10.Byron Noble-3.5
11.Keith Carradine
12.Adam Goldberg
13.Russell Harvard
14.Susan Park
15.Keegan-Michael Key
16.Jordan Peele
17.Kelly Holden Bashar
18.Shawn Doyle
19.Barry Flatman-3
20.Kevin O'Grady
21.Joey King
22.Atticus Mitchell
23.Liam Green
24.Stephen Root (shockingly wasted)
25.Rachel Blanchard
26.Gordon S. Miller
27.Bruce Markinson
28.Tom Musgrave-2.5

Lucas Saavedra said...

Louis: your thoughts on Larry Hankin and John Pirruccello in Barry?

Bryan L. said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the forgiveness fable scene from "ben mendelsohn"? I like how Fuches clearly takes the wrong lesson from it once he hears it involves revenge.

"But it could be..."

Robert MacFarlane said...

Louis: Without getting too far into politics, are there any movies or performances that you have a very different perspective now than you did a decade ago due to how your world view changed? I feel like there's a lot of movies I liked that I'm afraid to revisit for one reason or another.

8000S said...

Louis: Are you sure? I tried to search and couldn't really find any thoughts about the cinematography of those movies.

Louis Morgan said...

Lucas:

Actually almost forgot Hankin's appearance, kind of wish he hadn't been so brief upon reflection. Either way Hankin is wonderful in being this completely sulking creature almost of an intense depression and does his small bit rather wonderfully well.

Pirruccello is nearly a reprise of his performance in Twin Peaks, though slightly more competent than CHAD, and again is quite good in just being a properly pathetic yet purely slime ball cop. A lot is presence of course with his face just having something about him that seems just so perfectly hateable in the right way.

Robert:

Not overly so, because I've always taken the perspective that films should be looked at often as a time capsule as sorts, and while one can retroactively criticize a film for not meeting current expectations, I think in a way that isn't using what film provides in part which is a window to the time it was made in. In part one can learn by seeing where progressions were made, as film often times represents what were society's expectations/standards at that time. It would be like criticizing Shakespeare for not giving the common folk enough to do in his plays, which isn't accomplishing much, rather one can recognize where society has grown by now allowing the common people to lead stories, just for a simple example.

This is further cemented to me just because I don't believe a film need to provide a moral compass. I can disagree with a film and even still like it, if I feel it provided its perspective in a compelling or captivating way. For example I don't think a cop should be torturing people like Dirty Harry, but that's a great thriller. I think much of Oliver Stone's conspiracy in JFK is pure bunk, but that's a great film.

A counter to that could be what a film could do to people who "can't handle it" in taking in a film's content. But to counter that potential argument, there are white supremacists who repurpose the Believer and American History X, two films that are pretty blunt in refuting that viewpoint. Or take something like Pepe the Frog, where people managed to turn a completely harmless cartoon into a symbol of hate. My point is for artists to essential to watch what they produce as it can be harmful, isn't necessarily productive when pieces of art can so easily be taken as the complete opposite of intention.

And sorry for the long response, but I do think it is a complicated issue, on a slightly separate note, I do actively bemoan the idea that it seems like context is getting lost. For example listening to the It's Always Sunny podcast they often speak to how they wouldn't be able to do this or that, and in part it seems like some are starting to note separate the intention of a character from that of an artist. An artist writing about Hitler doing hideous things does not endorse those hideous things, and that too should not be something that is lost whether in comedy or drama.