Saturday, 11 September 2021

Alternate Best Actor 2000: Sol Kyung-gu in Peppermint Candy

Sol Kyung-gu did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying Kim Yong-ho in Peppermint Candy.
 
Peppermint Candy opens with a man committing suicide via train, and flashbacks to show the episodes that brought him to this place.

Sol Kyung-gu so far has lead three films that I've seen and two of those three I found almost intolerable in their overall approach. THANKFULLY, Peppermint Candy doesn't fall into that for me, not that I love this film or even like it exactly, but even with its subject matter I found the whole film far less unpleasant than the severely misguided Oasis and Hope. Although to be fair, as much as I disliked those films, I liked Sol in both films despite that. He was never the problem, and that is abundantly clear from the opening scene of this film, that I must contend actually is quite striking on its own. This as Sol's Kim wanders about a gathering of old schoolmates having a reunion. Sol is quite fantastic in this scene in portraying in his face this man who has so much more on his mind than anything related to meeting old friends. There is just a seething depression within him and a palatable pain that you can sense even as he isn't exactly opening up to these people. That is what makes the scene so remarkable actually is that Sol shows the attempted internalization, that given the severity of the condition of his depression it is still noticeable. Even when he tries to act happy, by singing karaoke any smiles are these forced upon puppet motions of his mouth, and nothing genuine can be seen. Sol is excellent in the moments of the random outbursts, as he presents them as basically leaks from his dam of trying to internalize the despair. These outbursts being he most genuine truth of the man. This leading to when he suddenly is upon a train track waiting for his demise, Sol quite effectively drops all pretenses giving a powerful portrayal of the insanity of the man as he screams to be taken back. Sol in this moments showing a man with nothing left but his demons that he's yelling towards the world in some final act of futility. 

That opening scene is great, and from that I thought this might be among director Chang-dong Lee's superior works like Burning and Poetry, however the film then falls into a little bit of a repetitious state for the first two flashbacks. This as the first we see him attempting suicide with a gun and failing, while leaving in a state of destitution. To Sol's credit his performance is effective in portraying in a way a variation in the depression. This as he's not quite at the end that we see in the opening, and in a way he denotes this by making it more expression. This as Sol almost showing the man's anguish as still a cry for help, albeit futile, rather than his final state where his fatal purpose has realized itself within his more internalized state. We do have a slightly different moment thrown in where Kim is brought to his hospitalized and in a severe state old crush by her husband. We get a little bit of tenderness from Sol as he offers Peppermint candy. Although the scene overall didn't quite come together for me, Sol's performance is affecting in showing the man putting aside his own despair for a moment in order to try to provide comfort to another. His eyes still reflecting his own pain, but at the same time there is that attempt at tenderness. We follow that again through a different depressing scene of an earlier past where Kim is in a failing marriage defined by adultery. Although one instantly can question Lee's choice for misery upon misery, Sol's performance does deliver once again. This however in another alternative state of depression that he vividly realizes. This more so now a man in denial of it. This as he wears a face of contentment but his internalized manner suggests otherwise. A particularly potent moment being when he randomly says that life is good essentially. His delivery being forced and labored, and most of all with this intention of emphasizing the idea in his own mind, when the opposite is the truth. 

What proceeds then is largely Lee depicting more brutalities of life as we flashback to Kim's further time as a police officer which mostly involves brutalizing suspects, mixed in with further circumstances of the failures of his romantic life. These segments though do at least allow for us to see Sol's performance that has an understanding for his character. We see the less jaded man, though still in a perpetual state of not quite being able to achieve happiness. Sol is effective though in playing with kind of the weight of his life in these scenes a bit. This showing a bit more overt anguish at some of the brutalities he deals with, and a greater passion of the moments that border on potentially a better life for himself. Still negativity seems to intercede at every point, until we flashback again to his time as a soldier, where again his life seems defined by unpleasantness. Sol again though does impressively show a troubled, but less jaded man. This in reflecting how scared he is in the situation, and his lack of conviction in the violence involved. A situation that ends in a tragic point, but at this point in the film, one can't help but almost roll their eyes by how much you feel Lee's going for the most obvious of manipulations. Which, actually even that scene might've worked if the execution of it didn't feel so melodramatic in terms of the method in which the tragedy occurs. We only find contentment in the man as he is a realized student, and Sol's performance is impressive in showing the weightless man compared to the deeply troubled soul of the first scene. I wish though I cared as we find that Lee wants to make that unbelievably original point that it "was the system man!". Which honestly I'd be fine with if this whole thing felt more honest. The film though I feel struggles to escape the artifice of the presentation, in part because of how unrelenting it is in making its fairly obvious point. That theme, even the structure, and even with the exact same opening scene, which would be an amazing short film on its own, this could've been something special as film. Lee's choices in his writing though always feel contrived to create the situation, rather make it seem a natural reflection of life and in turn the power of the scenario is lost. Having said that, Sol's performance is one element that felt genuine in the film. While he seems trapped in the scenario, Sol's performance does create something remarkably in revealing a man mentally wasting away in reverse.

129 comments:

Luke Higham said...

I'm pleased you liked him here and happy that Duricic went up to a five.

Lucas Saavedra said...

1. Lee
2. Lavant
3. Sol
4. Cusack
5. Connery

Anonymous said...

The Hand Of God wins Young Actor at Venice.

Anonymous said...

Il Buco wins Grand Jury Prize.

Anonymous said...

The Lost Daughter wins Screenplay.

Anonymous said...

John Arcilla wins actor for The Missing 8.

Anonymous said...

Penelope Cruz wins Actress.

Anonymous said...

Jane Campion wins Director.

Anonymous said...

The Hand Of God wins Grand Jury Prize

Anonymous said...

Happening wins Golden Lion.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the Venice Winners?

Bryan L. said...
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Luke Higham said...

1. Lee
2. Lavant
3. Sol
4. Connery
5. Cusack

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

I mean those are the winners. Which has little to no sway on eventual awards prospects (TIFF's audience award is the only one that has any notable correlation whatsoever). So if anyone is doubting Cumberbatch or Stewart's chances based on that, they should stop immediately. The only minor indication might be that maybe Cruz has a little bit of potential, however that is even more based on her previous success with Volver and Banderas's nomination for Pain and Glory.

Otherwise, I'll certainly seek those films out when I have the chance.

Anonymous said...

Louis what is your updated MCU ranking with the Disney+ tv shows included?

Emi Grant said...

Louis: I'm glad you finally watched a movie with Sol Kyung-gu that you didn't end up hating, I'm also glad I'm not alone with my problems on this film.

It's especially frustrating, 'cause the opening scene genuinely shows a VERY promising film about to unfold, but it seems as if Lee takes the intriguing 20 year-spanning flashback-based structure of the film and purposefully limits any development of the main character through the constant repetition you mention here. I have other issues with it, but that's the most glaring one for me.

Emi Grant said...

Louis: Your Top 10 Lee Chang-Dong directing moments?

Anonymous said...

Jean-Pierre Jeunet originally wrote Amélie with Emily Watson in mind (Amelie was going to be called Emily and was an English women who moved to France as a teenager)

Thoughts on this version of the film and Watson's potential performance?

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

1. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
2. Thor Ragnarok
3. Avengers: Endgame
4. Avengers: Infinity War
5. Guardians of the Galaxy
6. Dr. Strange
7. Captain America Civil War
8. Iron Man
9. Black Panther
10. Loki
11. The Avengers
12. Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
13. Spider-man: Homecoming (Only for the Keaton stuff)
14. Iron Man 3
15. Captain America: The First Avenger
16. Wandavision
17. Black Widow
18. Thor the Dark World
19. Thor
20. Ant-Man
21. The Incredible Hulk
22. Ant-Man and the Wasp
23. Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 2
24. Iron Man 2
25. Falcon and the Winter Soldier
26. Captain Marvel
27. Spider-Man: Far From Home
28. Avengers: Age of Ultron

Louis Morgan said...

Emi Grant:

1. Ending - Burning
2. Ending - Poetry
3. Opening - Peppermint Candy
4. Searching for the greenhouse - Burning
5. Greenhouse speech - Burning
6. The Arrest - Poetry
7. Police Poetry - Poetry
8. Going to Ben's House - Burning
9. First Poetry Class - Poetry
10. Meeting Ben Again - Burning

Anonymous:

I mean the film would've been very similar for me (overly twee), but might've had a central performance I preferred more. I wouldn't say that would be a major change because Watson's natural presence shares a similarly "innocent" quality with Tautou.

HTT said...

I said it a bit earlier today, but I don't think anyone noticed, but I just released a review of Yojimbo on my "The Cinematic Spotlight" blog, and it is my first film review ever, so I would appreciate if someone could give me some feedback.

Anonymous said...

I have to say, I'm a bit annoyed that people in the internet seem to have fallen completely for No Way Home's obvious nostalgia-bait to the point that it completely swallowed Eternals and (before it released) Shang-chi's hype.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Shouldn't surprise anyone that hordes of predominantly white Twitter "cinephiles" hyped up another inevitably basic film more than both of those two releases. It's annoying, but what can you do.

Calvin Law said...

Anonymous: it sucks to see two Asian directors getting big projects only for people to ignore it in favour of essentially Reddit: The Movie.

Calvin Law said...

Also we pretty much agree on this film and performance. It’s Lee’s weakest, but Sol is definitely the best thing about it.

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the scene where Dryden tells Lawrence about the Sykes-Picot agreement. I always liked Dryden's quote about lies and how Rains delivers it.

Anonymous said...

The Underground Railroad just lost the cinematography Emmy. *sighs*

Shaggy Rogers said...

Hey guys!
Tell us your ranks of 2000 nominees in each category:

Song
1. "I've Seen It All" - Dancer in the Dark
2. "Things Have Changed" from Wonder Boys
3. "A Love Before Time" from Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
4. "My Funny Friend and Me" - The Emperor's New Groove
5. "A Fool In Love" - Meet the Parents

Original Score
1. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
2. Malèna
3. Gladiator
4. The Patriot
5. Chocolat

Sound Mixing
1. U-571
2. Gladiator
3. Cast Away
4. The Patriot
5. The Perfect Storm

Sound Editing
1. U-571
2. Space Cowboys

Editing
1. Traffic
2. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
3. Gladiator
4. Almost Famous
5. Wonder Boys

Visual Effects
1. Gladiator
2. Hollow Man
3. The Perfect Storm

Makeup and Hairstyling
1. Shadow of the Vampire
2. How the Grinch Stole Christmas
3. The Cell

Costume
1. Quills
2. Gladiator
3. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
4. How the Grinch Stole Christmas
5. 102 Dalmatians

Production Design
1. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
2. Quills
3. How the Grinch Stole Christmas
4. Vatel
5. Gladiator

Cinematography
1. O Brother, Where Art Thou?
2. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
3. Malèna
4. The Patriot
5. Gladiator

Foreign Language Film
1. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (Taiwan)
2. Amores Perros (Mexico)
3. Everybody's Famous! (Belgium)
4. The Taste of Others (France)
5. Divided We Fall (Czech Republic)

Adapted Screenplay
1. O Brother, Where Art Thou?
2. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
3. Traffic
4. Wonder Boys
5. Chocolat

Original Screenplay
1. Almost Famous
2. You Can Count On Me
3. Billy Elliot
4. Gladiator
5. Erin Brockovich

Supporting Actress
1. Julie Walters
2. Marcia Gay Harden
3. Kate Hudson
4. Frances McDormand
5. Judi Dench

Lead Actress
1. Ellen Burstyn
2. Laura Linney
3. Joan Allen
4. Juliette Binoche
5. Julia Roberts

Supporting Actor
1. Willem Dafoe
2. Benicio del Toro
3. Joaquin Phoenix
4. Albert Finney
5. Jeff Bridges

Lead Actor
1. Tom Hanks
2. Geoffrey Rush
3. Russell Crowe
4. Ed Harris
5. Javier Bardem

Director
1. Ang Lee
2. Ridley Scott
3. Steven Soderbergh (Traffic)
4. Stephen Daldry
5. Steven Soderbergh (Erin Brockovich)

Picture
1. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
2. Gladiator
3. Traffic
4. Erin Brockovich
5. Chocolat

And what are your ranks?

8000S said...

The Dark Knight (1950's)

Bruce Wayne: Paul Newman
The Joker: Richard Widmark
Alfred Pennyworth: Claude Rains
James Gordon: James Stewart
Harvey Dent: Montgomery Clift (in an universe where he never got the accident)
Rachel Dawes: Elizabeth Taylor
Lucius Fox: Paul Robeson

Unforgiven (1970's)

William Munny: John Wayne
Little Bill Daggett: Robert Ryan
Ned Adams: Woody Strode
English Bob: John Gielgud
The Schofield Kid: Jeff Bridges
W. W. Beauchamp: Roddy McDowall
Strawberry Alice: Angie Dickinson

Tim said...

1) Lee
2) Lavant
3) Sol
4) Cusack
5) Connery

Tim said...

Shaggy: note that it's been some time for some of these films (and this in general ist not really one of my favorite years



Visual Effects:

3) Hollow Man
2) The Perfect Storm
1) Gladiator


Sound Editing:

2) Space Cowboys
1) U-571


Sound Mixing:

5) The Patriot
4) The Perfect Storm
3) Cast Away
2) U-571
1) Gladiator


Editing:

5) Wonder Boys
4) Almost Famous
3) Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
2) Gladiator
1) Traffic


Score:

4) The Patriot
3) Chocolat
2) Gladiator
1) Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon


Costumes:

4) The Grinch
3) 102 Dalmations
2) Gladiator
1) Crouching Tiger


Production Design:

3) The Grinch
2) Crouching Tiger
1) Gladiator


Cinematography:

4) The Patriot
3) Crouching Tiger
2) Gladiator
1) Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?


Original Screenplay:

5) Erin Brockovich
4) Billy Elliot
3) Gladiator
2) Almost Famous
1) You Can Count On Me


Adapted Screenplay:

5) Wonder Boys
4) Chocolat
3) Crouching Tiger
2) Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?
1) Traffic


Supporting Actress:

4) Kate Hudson
3) Frances McDormand
2) Judi Dench
1) Julie Walters


Supporting Actor:

3) Albert Finney
2) Joaquin Phoenix
1) Benicio Del Toro


Lead Actress:

4) Juliette Binoche
3) Julia Roberts
2) Laura Linney
1) Ellen Burstyn


Lead Actor:

2) Russell Crowe
1) Tom Hanks


Director:

5) Steven Soderbergh (EB)
4) Stephen Daldry
3) Ang Lee
2) Steven Soderbergh (T)
1) Ridley Scott


Picture:

5) Chocolat
4) Erin Brockovich
3) Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
2) Traffic
1) Gladiator

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Sean: Hanks is a 5 for me in Cast Away, and I'm comfortable with a 4 for Crowe.

Tim said...

5 for Hanks of course (Wilson is a 5 too), 4 for Crowe

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Did you get a chance to see Flipped (2010)? The film isn't much, but John Mahoney is just wonderful.

Bryan L. said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the screenplay for O Brother, Where Art Thou?

HTT said...

Hanks is a 5. Dude made me cry over a volleyball. Crowe, I don't know. It isn't really my favorite film already, but I guess he's a 4 or a 4.5.

Oh, and Wilson is a clear 5.5.

HTT said...

Just dropped a review of Kiarostami's Where Is The Friend's House. I anyone wants to give me some feedback on that, just come to my The Cinematic Spotlight blog.

Bryan L. said...

1. Lee
2. Sol
3. Lavant
4. Connery
5. Cusack

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

1. Lee
2. Sol
3. Lavant
4. Cusack
5. Connery

Robert MacFarlane said...

Malignant has one of the most batshit third acts I’ve ever seen. The acting is wobbly outside of Ray Chase’s voice work, though given what it’s going for, it’s kind of to its advantage. Go in blind.

Calvin Law said...

Glad to see In the Mood for Love as the 2000 shot choice.

Luke Higham said...

Sean: He meant the screenshot in the background.

Matthew Montada said...

Robert: ratings for the cast?

Calvin Law said...

Matthew: Robert doesn’t do ratings.

Matthew Montada said...
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HTT said...

Sean: Is it only me who thought he was rather good in Ed Wood? Not a 5, but still.

HTT said...

Sean: Good because I would maybe say that's my favorite performance from him.

Anonymous said...

Jennifer Chastain is getting raves for Eyes Of Tammy Faye.

Luke Higham said...

Calvin: What are your rating and thoughts on Michelle Rodriguez in Girlfight and does it disappoint you that she never replicated her success after it.

HTT said...

Just dropped a review of The Apartment. I feel it's my best review so far, so I would appreciate some feedback. It's on The Cinematic Spotlight blog.

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

Any scene with Rains is gold in a way, and you don't get a smoother operation of a government man, who never is quite what he says he is, yet entirely is all the same. Rains speaking as though the treaty is nothing to him, though so eloquently speaks to the entirety of it.

Anonymous:

Not surprising given voters probably didn't even watch the series.

Tahmeed:

I did not.

Bryan:

Its screenplay really is just the Coens having fun, though I would say for me the best instance of the Coens "purely" having fun, and doing something they did I think less successfully in Hail Caesar (though I like that film too), which is a love letter, this kind of to film, though more so to Americana. This as its kind of playing on some tropes of 30's films, gangsters, chain gang escapees, musical sequences, however it more so is just this appreciation to anything you can name in terms of the visual imagery you'd find in a photo history of the 30's. Although this is truly realized in their direction and Deakins's cinematography, the screenplay does so through setting up these pieces, splendidly realized through various comic vignettes with memorable speak from the period, fashioned through the structure of the Odyssey, sort of. They are more so walking into tropes from here to there, that the Coens do bother to cohere more than a little, to create a more satisfying narrative rather than making it truly episodic, even though it is episodic in nature. As someone who finds the period, and the sort of "Legends" of the period itself fascinating, the Coens weave together to fashion just a proper entertainment in a way only they possible could.

Mitchell Murray said...

Hey everyone...it's been a while since I was last on here (the last couple weeks have kept me busy), but I did want to drop in and contribute my prediction - even though I have little to go off with the line up.

1) Byung-hun
2) Kyung-gu
3) Lavant
4) Cusack
5) Connery

Mitchell Murray said...

Also, I did wish to mention that the youtube series "Death Battle" released their newest episode today, and it's a big one - Batman Vs Ironman, in which they've included their most OP suits (Hellbat and Godbuster, respectively).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcSDxeBBolQ

Their next fight, meanwhile, is a similarly crazy one from what I can tell - Goku Black Vs Reverse Flash

8000S said...

Louis: Before Garson was cast in the role, the Madame Curie biopic was meant to star Greta Garbo in the role with Spencer Tracy as Pierre. Joan Crawford was also interested in playing the part.

I've also seen that some people in the Alternate History boards had an idea of a Yankee Doodle Dandy with Cagney playing General Pershin instead of George M. Cohan. While a biopic of Pershing would have likely been standard, what do you think of the idea of Cagney as Pershing?

Also thoughts on either Garbo or Crawford as Madame Curie.

8000S said...

*General Pershing

Calvin Law said...

Luke: I'd give her a solid 4. I think it's fine honestly, she clearly started off showing what she does well, then kind of staying in that niche through her career, could be worse things to happen.

Tim said...

your ranking of the nominated Screenplays by the Coens?

Anonymous said...

Luke, what are your rating predictions for the supporting requests and McDowell & Ogata.

Luke Higham said...

Echevarría - 5
Considine - 5
Phoenix - 5
MacLachlan - 4.5/5
Tobolowsky - 4.5
Irons - ? (He's either unintentionally hilarious, terrible or Hamtastic. So at worst 4 Wiseaus/a 1 and at best a 4.5)
McDowell - 5
Ogata - 4.5

I hope Isaacs goes up to a 5 as well.

Anonymous said...

Luke, aside from Björk, who else do you see getting a 5 for Leading Actress.

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: Gillian Anderson in The House Of Mirth. I would've said Burstyn awhile ago but she got 4.5s from the majority here.

8000S said...

Irons is the only thing bearable about the Dungeons and Dragons movie. I enjoy him there.

Louis: Laughton also once said that Mitchum would have been the best Macbeth. Curious on your thoughts on that idea of Mitchum doing Shakespeare. Maybe have Kerr or one of the De Haviland sisters as Lady Macbeth.

Luke Higham said...

Sean: I've yet to see The Yards, I went by word of mouth with my prediction. He's a 5 for You Were Never Really Here. It's probably my #3 or 4.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Could Michelle Yeoh possibly go up for Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.

Glenn said...

Luke, I think Irons is right up there with Raul Julia in Street Fighter. He gives a really entertaining performance in an ungodly trash fire.

Luke Higham said...

Sean: He's 2017 with the french release date. I actually meant #3 or 4 career-wise. He's my #5 for 2017 after Gosling, Stanton, Day-Lewis and Jackman.

Luke Higham said...

Sean: Give me some time to think about it though Mikkelsen is #1 with ease for me.

8000S said...

RIP Norm MacDonald

Louis Morgan said...

R.I.P Norm McDonald















8000's:

I mean sure as straight forward as it likely would've been for Cagney. Crawford I don't really see in that part, Garbo is easier to see, and I think would've aided a little more to the overly straight forward film.

Tim:

1. Fargo
2. The Ballad of Buster Scruggs
3. O Brother Where Art Thou
4. A Serious Man
5. No Country For Old Men
6. True Grit
7. Bridge of Spies

Luke:

Hmmm, maybe.

8000S said...

Louis: You forgot to give your thoughts on that idea of Mitchum doing Shakespeare since Laughton felt he would have been a great Macbeth.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Have you ever considered numerically distinguishing your all time favorite performances, as compared to other 5 star performances.

Bryan L. said...

RIP Norm McDonald

"Turd Ferguson. It's a funny name."

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: I really don't want to see him break the rating scale with his all-time favourites. It was bad enough seeing people do it with wrestling matches.

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

Certainly would've been interesting to see him try it, and given that when Mitchum pushed his range it was typically successful, I'd be optimistic on the results.

Anonymous:

No, nor will I ever.

Aidan Pittman said...

R.I.P. Norm Macdonlad

Bryan L. said...

Louis et al: Any thoughts on Christopher Nolan’s upcoming Robert Oppenheimer film?

Emi Grant said...

Bryan: Sounds like it's gonna be a blast.

Luke Higham said...

Bryan: After the sheer disappointment of Tenet, I've been dying for him to do a project like this for awhile now.

8000S said...

Louis: I remember your answer to the question on the idea that Golden Age Hollywood actors always played themselves and how you said that accents and mannerisms are not really what makes a performance good, but the acting itself. Sometimes it seems like to me that some people who praise DDL, Streep and Oldman is more for their ability for accents and mannerisms than their acting ability, but that's just me.

I also remember Brando and De Niro saying the same thing regarding Bogart and Gable, when Rick Blaine, Fred Dobbs and Philip Queeg are not the same charactee. The same goes for Gable. Rhett Butler, Peter Warne and P. J. Richardson are also not the same character, even if they have that charisma Gable was known for.

Bryan L. said...

Luke: I’m interested in seeing what Nolan has to offer to the biopic genre, considering how tired they usually are.

Bryan L. said...

Emi: CaryGrantgetout.gif

Tim said...

as i recall, i was the only one outside of Matt who was genuinely positive on Tenet. From that point: I'm hesitant.

On the one hand, he once wanted to do a biopic about Howard Hughes which he himself called his best writing at that time.

On the other hand, Do you all know Patrick Willems' video on him? In it he explained well how Nolan became a more skillfull Director with each film. What he doesn't mention there is that in the meantime (interestingly congruent with the ideas of Tenet really ...) he got worse as a writer, both meating between 06 and 09, nowadays becoming more interested in concepts and and getting his directorial ideas on the screen.

With Tenet, while not one of my favorites from him, we at least got that, i had fun with the sheer bombast factor.

Now, a biopic about a scientist, i hope he rewrites the Script a bit more. Maybe he should just stop writng alone?

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Oppenheimer's a great subject for a biopic. The biographical aspect makes me hope that this is more 'Dunkirk' than 'Interstellar' as far as quality goes, at least it might reign Nolan in.

Matt Mustin said...

Oppenheimer's a fascinating figure, but Nolan hasn't really done a character study in a while, so we'll see.

Louis Morgan said...

Bryan:

Thrilled at the choice, one Oppenheimer is a fascinating figure for a biopic, two it gives a lot of hope that it will bring Nolan back to something truly character based once again after shirking it more and more in the past set of films. I would love to see him return to The Prestige style form in that regard.

Bryan L. said...

Louis et al: Cillian Murphy is rumored to be part of the cast as well, though it’s not certain if he’s playing Oppenheimer himself or someone else. Hope it’s the former though.

Louis Morgan said...

Bryan:

I could see him as Oppenheimer, or as Edward Teller (which would be more in line with Nolan's typical roles for Murphy), which could also be a very potent role.

Mitchell Murray said...

Question for everyone here: What would be some of your favourite voice actors, or simply performers who've done a great deal of voice work?

At the risk of labelling the more famous ones, some I quite like would be as followed:

Tara Strong
Phil LaMarr
Mark Hamill
Clancy Brown
Grey DeLisle
Robin Atkin Downes
Nolan North
Graham McTavish

Matt Mustin said...

Mitchell:

Mark Hamill
Frank Welker
Mel Blanc
Tara Strong
Steve Blum
Laura Bailey
Phil LaMarr
Alan Tudyk
Harry Shearer
Clancy Brown
Tom Kenny
Billy West

There's a few.

Louis Morgan said...

Well, regarding The Card Counter, what the hell critics? This is what you laud? I honestly might've preferred Adam Resurrected. See with First Reformed, as much as I didn't respond to it outside Hawke's performance, I could see what people were responding to. Here, I don't get it. The story telling is incredibly sloppy, bizarre and unintentionally funny lines throughout, shoddy character development, its attempts at thematic depth wonky at best. This as the whole central card counting conceit, revenge plot, and past of the main character have the thematic cohesion that might even cause David Mamet to say "hey Schrader you might want to focus a bit". The screenplay is bad, but the directing by Schrader might be his worst. The shot choices, the song choices, the editing, all felt oddly amateurish or really were just bad, particularly how he depicts certain flashbacks, which I couldn't believe I was actually seeing with how poorly it worked as a gimmick.

Haddish - 2
Sheridan - 2(Honestly his presence at this point feels like the original actor dropped out last minute, and they pulled some random guy from the street.)
Dafoe - 3

Lucas Saavedra said...

Louis: your thoughts on the cast of The Card Counter?

Matt Mustin said...

I was concerned about The Card Counter the second I read what the character's name was.

Mitchell Murray said...

Matt: Can't believe Blum and Bailey skipped my mind (Really liked her as Chun Li and Serana).

Also, just so I don't forget him later, Christopher Sabat

Emi Grant said...

Mitchell: He's not strictly just a voice actor, but Will Arnett won my heart over with his work as Batman and Bojack Horseman. I genuinely wanted to throw roses at the screen after "Free Churro".

Anonymous said...

Louis: Why do you think a lot of critics (like in the AFI list) consider Raging Bull to be Scorsese's best film? It seems like most regular people who've actually seen his films seem to prefer Goodfellas the most.

Michael McCarthy said...

Anonymous: it probably has a lot to do with peoples’ attitudes of “I liked _____ before he was cool.” A lot of people also say Mean Streets is Scorsese’s best film, which is almost objectively wrong.

Matt Mustin said...

Michael: That could be it, but at the same time, nobody is gonna say his best film is Who's That Knocking at My Door.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Anonymous: My take is that it also has something to do with critics overcompensating for the fact that it lost Best Picture. Which really annoys me, because Ordinary People was a deserving winner in its own right (and the better film if you ask me).

Calvin Law said...

Just saw Dune. Really mixed on it overall, some great moments, but felt a lot that was lost depth and emotion-wise through adaptation. I expect to be in the minority on it though.

Calvin Law said...

And personally, I don’t think saying Raging Bull is his best film is that much of a ‘too cool for school’ take if I’m honest. It’s in my top 5 and can easily see an argument for it being #1.

Anonymous said...

Calvin: Your ratings for the cast for Dune?

Calvin Law said...

Chalamet: 4.5
Ferguson: 4.5/5
Isaac: 3.5
Brolin: 3
Skarsgard: 3.5
Bautista: 2.5
Henderson: 3
Zendaya: 3
Dastmalchian: 2.5
Chang: 3
Duncan-Brewster: 4
Rampling: 3
Momoa: 4
Bardem: 3

RatedRStar said...

Mitchell: I'll stick with video game voice actors that I am familiar with,

Robin Atkin Downes
Nolan North
Yuri Llowenthal
Laura Bailey
Mark Hamill
Kirk Thornton
Robbie Daymond
Ashly Burch
Jennifer Hale

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

I mean they're entitled to their opinion, and the artistic merits involved with Raging Bull I do think are extremely evident, particularly in terms of what Scorsese is doing with his direction. I don't think it is a stretch to say you think it his best even if I don't agree.

Lucas:

Haddish - (Didn't make it to being a natural dramatic performer in this performance at the very least. Her whole performance, while trying, doesn't quite seem to match the intended tone with the right naturalism. She's okay when just speaking the most basic exposition but when you are supposed to sense connection or character she honestly seems a little lost or at least uncomfortable with making those moments work. Her chemistry with Isaac is totally absent, however I will say the writing doesn't benefit her in the least with how thin the role ends up being overall.)

Sheridan - (Again he has such a non presence these days it is impressive by how bland he is at times. Sheridan has some of the funniest lines, unintentionally "Man did you check out Google Earth", and he can't help them with his lifeless delivery. Sheridan doesn't internalize anything here. He just gives a wholly surface and a wholly dull performance every step of the way. You get no real sense of a desire for revenge or anything else from his character. He's just some boring kid no more, and probably a lot less.)

Dafoe - (For a favor style of performance, as his character is a complete afterthought that is solely built on quick, and I mean very quick, snippets of Dafoe's naturally dynamic presence.)

8000S said...

Mitchell:

Frank Welker
Mel Blanc
Peter Cullen
Mark Hamill
Nolan North
Clancy Brown
Scott McNeil
Brian Drummond
Kevin Conroy
Steve Blum

Calvin Law said...

Have to say I don't really have high hopes for The Tender Bar either, Sheridan as the lead + Clooney on his recent form...yikes.

8000S said...

Louis: I know that Warner and Albee thought of Bette Davis and James Mason for the Taylor and Burton parts for the movie adaptation of Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf, but recently I thought of the idea of Claire Trevor as Martha. How do you think Trevor would have fared in the role?

Also, how about Trevor replacing Bennett for the Lang noirs she made with him?

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Mitchell:

Ron Perlman
Kevin Conroy
Jeff Bennett
Mark Hammill
Grey Griffin
Mel Blanc
Tim Curry
Tom Kenny
Kevin Michael Richardson
Nolan North
Clancy Brown
Fred Tatasciore

Calvin Law said...

Watched Blue Bayou. Gets a bit unwieldy in the third act and some of the supporting character beats really didn't work for me, but really clicked with it for the most part and damn if it didn't pack a huge emotional punch. Can see this really hitting hard for the American diaspora crowd.

Matthew Montada said...

Calvin: your ratings for the cast of Blue Bayou?

Calvin Law said...

Chon: 4.5/5
Vikander: 4
O’Brien: 2.5
Pham: 4
Kowalske: 3.5
Curtis-Hall: 3
Cohen: 1

Bryan L. said...

Louis: Your 1940s and 1970s cast & director for The Card Counter.

8000S said...

Another 1940 leading performance that also is likely to get a 5 much like Stewart (The Shop Around the Corner) and Robinson (Dr. Erlich's Magic Bullet) is James Cagney in City for Conquest. Amazing chemistry with Ann Sheridan and the ending scene is brilliantly performed by the two. Also a notable film for featuring a young Anthony Quinn, Arthur Kennedy and Elia Kazan, of all people.

Matthew Montada said...

Everyone’s thoughts on the Nightmare Alley teaser trailer?

Here it is: https://youtu.be/k-qVV8zyVmI

Calvin Law said...

Looks great, I’m in 100% in.

Emi Grant said...

The fact that there's some source material Guillermo is going off of, gives me hope. The whole thing looks intriguing, and I'm hoping for this to be Mara's most substantial role in years. I'm in as well.

Louis Morgan said...

The source material is there, and already proven by the 47 version. So even if Del Toro is just going to basically do the same thing, with the beautiful aesthetic suggested by the trailer, I can't complain too much, plus some juicy roles aplenty particularly for Cooper and Blanchett.

Emi Grant:

The least juicy major role of the source material, but she could definitely make an impact.

Marcus said...

Louis: Would Franco/Gadon be in your top 30 favourite TV performance list? Noticed that they weren't on the list given in Gandolfini/Hardy's review for The Drop.

Marcus said...

Louis: *For 11.22.63^

Matthew Montada said...

Well guys, i just finished watching The Card Counter. Louis, needless to say, you are a literal saint. How Paul Schrader managed to make something this bad is beyond bizarre.

Here is my Letterboxd review: https://boxd.it/28XDQh

As for my ratings for the cast:
Oscar Isaac - 2.5
Tiffany Haddish - 2
Tye Sheridan - 1.5
Willem Dafoe - 2.5

Bryan L. said...

I was at least hoping The Card Counter would have a worthwhile central turn from Oscar Isaac, since Schrader's films usually have some good acting going on in them.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Have you seen The Eyes Of Tammy Faye? If so, ratings and thoughts on the cast.

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

Well Trevor made her bones playing often very acidic characters so I could easily see her there. Trevor would have been a major improvement over Bennett in the Lang noirs.

Bryan:

I don't think I'd want to see a premake of the film.

Marcus:

No, though I do like those performances a great deal.

Anonymous:

I have not.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Do you think Dafoe could be a Supporting contender for Nightmare Alley.

Luke Higham said...

And having seen the trailer, this really looks to be Bradley Cooper's year and a double nomination is definitely on the cards. And Blanchett looks superb and is well overdue to get a 2nd five.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

I think it would be tough for him to contend with that role (In academy terms, I think from the trailer he could potentially be making a major impression even with his likely limited screentime, not a spoiler by the way), and I'd say, just on paper, Jenkins probably has the best shot out of the supporting roles in terms of what the Academy will probably favor.

Anonymous said...

Louis: I think Jenkins is more likely to get nominated for The Humans anyway.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Thoughts on the trailer for The Humans.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Uh, it depends on what one will be the bigger contender honestly, and just from this venture I would put my money on Nightmare Alley, as it will be a tech player at the very least, The Humans looks primed for the Indie Spirits though. He probably has a bigger role in The Humans, however the role for Nightmare Alley has the potential to give him some very meaty moments, and potentially overtly showier than The Humans...so we'll see. I think though if say Dafoe gets the ink as the supporting actors goes in Nightmare Alley, then I imagine the push will be for the Humans.

Anonymous:

Well such chamber pieces I can really love, or really not love to say the least. So I'll see it no matter what, and look forward to see where I fall on it.