Sunday 1 October 2023

Alternate Best Actor 1958: Gary Cooper in Man of the West

Gary Cooper did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying Link Jones in Man of the West. 

Man of the West is in many ways Mann's Unforgiven, about a reformed outlaw having to face his past. 

Gary Cooper is an actor who I've long have a troubled history with in this endeavor, as while I have liked some of his performances, I've often failed to see the "strong silent type" nature of him as a performer, particularly not to the extent he is known for in popular culture, even beyond what Tony Soprano thinks. With Man in the West, I can say I've finally seen that Cooper fully, and in a way that makes sense as the part in itself is playing off the very idea of Cooper, as he plays a "man of the west" seemingly moving on from the old days, as we meet him coming into town, and embarking on a train, looking very "civilized". And regardless Cooper has of course his great stature, that does have a certain presence, in itself, however early on the film there is more than that when a random passerby starts asking him questions about who he is and what he's doing. Cooper's reactions in this scene are what I personally was always waiting for, where he conveys much, while still keeping the cool. And Cooper does portray that, his face of stone in many ways, but there are the elegant cracks of the man clearly trying to ignore this push for him to reveal more of himself than he is willing to give up. Cooper portrays the man hiding his old-self seemingly as he's moving onto a new life as a man simply looking for a schoolteacher for a town. 

Unfortunately such notions are short lived as a series of events, including the train being robbed and Cooper's Link, along with two other passengers, former saloon singer Billie (Julie London), and grifter Sam (Arthur O'Connell) being left behind. Cooper is terrific in the action sequence because we see moments of instinctual reaction, such as reaching for a gun that isn't there along with a certain conviction and calm of someone who is used to such situations. And we see after the train takes off, Cooper expectedly takes charge and that Cooper's presence is in its ideal form as indeed a titular man. The film takes its turn when Link comes across his old home, that remains still his old gang hideout, unfortunately still the remnants of the gang and technically his family. Led still by Link's uncle Dock (Lee J. Cobb) and other men, some known to Link or at least related to him. And Cooper is in his "strong silent type" prime in the scene of meeting the group, where Dock wavers between familial connection and threat, and the rest all look to Link with some suspicion, while giving nothing but hostility towards Link's companions. Cooper though is terrific in playing the sides of the scene between the understated sense of the distress of being in this place again, though also an attempted calming manner towards his companions, while also still having  a strong force of personality. It is never the simple silence here, and Cooper plays the shades here with a genuine intensity. 

Cooper manages to play the layers of the situation, holding it together with a sense of underlying tension of the man emotionally having to deal with these reflections of his past, but also just immediate tension of the danger they pose to his companions, and to his attempted existence as a reformed man. Cooper is able to balance between the sense of the man dealing with what's going on in every reaction, as there is this quiet emotional turmoil Cooper does exude within his eyes of the man facing something he's so long wanted to avoid, while also still providing some sense of comfort as trying to be "the hero" by being the one thing standing between the gang and Billie and Sam. Cooper being on one hand the new man who has reformed himself, and has his moments of talking about his new life where Cooper, perhaps playing more so into his expected presence, with a quiet warmth and certainty of the good of his existence. Even speaking to the fact that the town who took him in knew him, and forgave him, Cooper brings this respectful gratitude of a man who has found a new path in life. However with every moment that the gang, particularly Dock, brings up his old life, Cooper says so much in every reaction. Cooper conveys the quiet shame of it and the quiet sense of being caught within the sway of the old amoral man's ways at one time. No longer is that the case, but there's a real vulnerability in these moments, even a retiring sense of defeat at times of having to admit who he is, that shows the shades of Cooper I frankly always wanted to see as a performer. 

The plot of the film interestingly is kind of the opposite of Mann's great the Naked Spur, where James Stewart played the hero trying to hold a group together, a group all with different degrees of nefariousness disrupting the journey in someway, as they attempted to make a trek comparing that to this where Cooper's Link is the one trying to disrupt the journey this time around. And I have to say I love Cooper in portraying this side that insidious was never really a note that he was called to play, yet he does so here, even if it has heroic connotations. The first moment being getting one of the most boastful youngest members, who had forced Billie to do a striptease at gunpoint, Link prods to get him to attack in order to take at least one man out, and Cooper's performance is remarkable. His delivery is truly cutting as he speaks. There's just venom coming off his lips as he accuses the man of cowardice until the man attacks and Cooper has vicious moments in the fight. Far beyond the physical moments, but rather again in his eyes you see real hate, and perhaps the bandit of old, before he holds himself back from finishing the man off himself. And Cooper continues to truly realize these darker aspects, even within the overall good of the reformed man, throughout every scene that makes him truly dynamic as Link takes on each man, not just as the normal hero, but a killer like them in so many ways. But the darkness isn't just in the attacks in this film, as there is another shade that I think penetrates the film even deeper, and perhaps is in some ways even more influential. 

As someone who has great affection for all of the Mann westerns that he has seen, some more than others, however, regardless each are fascinating in subverting the genre, in little ways and bigger ways. This film might be the most extreme because of just how downright sad the film is in the depiction of the old west, or at least in what is left of it. And Cooper's performance helps to personify it. The reaction to being sent to rob a town that Dock thinks has money, yet is a nearly abandoned ghost town, is that of sad resignation of the nothingess of that lie. Something we see earlier in the film that Link verbalizes, again in a scene where Cooper displays an impressive emotional range in the sense of anguish he brings as a man unearthing his pains in the moment. But there is more, one of the saddest moments, is outside of our central characters, rather the tragic tale of two bystanders who get in the way, that is made all the more tragic because of how accidental it is, and there's something truly powerful in Cooper's brief and blunt, yet potent "I'm sorry" to a victim who he had not wronged, but who had suffered just for no reason particularly at all. And the ending of the film isn't really the righteous hero succeeding you might think, as a terrible thing happens that Link had been trying to stop the whole time, and while some may reject this choice, I think actually it speaks so strongly the film's presentation of this world as truly cruel and cruel in a way that feels so pointless. And Cooper is great in his reaction to this moment, because it is just with a blunt guttural disgust, and his final confrontation with the man behind the act. It is not a moment of heroic justice but rather Cooper presents it as a final wiping away of the grime of his past. Cooper delivers a terrific performance here, that I have no reservations or hesitations in calling it his greatest performance that manages both to be the ideal of his expected presence while also artfully subverting "the strong silent type". 

51 comments:

8000S said...

Louis: Rating and thoughts on Lee J. Cobb and Julie London.

Also thoughts on Ernest Haller's cinematography.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Always love these kinds of reviews where an actor proves why they were considered great. I've yet to fully love a Cooper turn, but I did think he was very good in High Noon and the parts of Ball of Fire I've seen, so I should see this soon.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your thoughts on these scenes https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=unxfWJPJF1k https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv1vctjcf0w

Lucas Saavedra said...

Louis: what are your ratings and thoughts on the rest of the cast?

ruthiehenshallfan99 said...

One of my favorite westerns of the 50s and probably one of the most intense of that period (also deserving of a new blu ray, the current one could use some work). I'm very mixed on Gary Cooper as a whole, but I think he gives his best performance here.

Marcus said...

Louis: Which currently working female directors do you think are likely to become Oscar winners in the next 10-15 years?

Louis Morgan said...

8000's & Lucas:

Cobb - 2.5(Cobb always has presence however this is an instance where his instincts all added up in the wrong way. The problem is here, he's just honestly too much to be taken fully seriously leaving the menace of the character lacking, as all the other bandits are far more intimidating than him. And Cobb just kind of goes about just being sort of boisterous and staying there, until the very end where that is only just extremely pathetic. I think this is an example of a great role that Cobb actually wastes, as I think one could've made this a far more complex performance. There were ways to make him seem more paternal towards Cooper and the rest. He could've been more quietly evil and genuinely terrifying as the master manipulator. There were so many more interesting ways to take this part than the way Cobb chooses which is just as a loud thug.)

London - 4(Very much playing the Trevor style role, and while I wouldn't say she's great, I do think she is good in bringing a low key charisma to the role that suggests her typical way of getting by, though with this internalized sense of frustration of someone suffering a life of dealing with the same advances from men constantly. She is effective in creating the moments of tension within the gang projecting the sense of horror within someone who is trying to keep it together, and the moments of finding this comfort with Cooper, that she portrays even with a degree of pathos as someone finding her only comfort in what in itself will never be her future.)

Lord - 3(Effective pompous sleazeball work, makes you hate him in the right way, to make his eventual take down most satisfying.)

Dehner - 3.5(I think in many ways he picks up where Cobb lacks in bringing a more genuine menace in his steely eyed glances towards Cooper. Although he doesn't have too much on the whole, I think he makes good use of every bit he does have in creating the more honest threat to Cooper throughout. Especially like his delivery of what he thinks of Cooper's character, which he puts as bluntly as possible, showing not even a slight sign of any old affection to the man he clearly sees as a traitor.)

Dano - 3(Effective sleazeball works on the pathetic side of things, brings the right fearful manner that makes some of his actions particularly despicable with just how pathetic they are.)

O'Connell - 3.5(Interesting in that his character might be a villain in most pieces however it ends up having sympathy for technically a wretched man. O'Connell brings the sort of more grandiose showman style of the conman, but along the way also makes the fear of the character within the situation very genuine, to the point that you do feel sorry for him as he ends up caught in this situation.)

The cinematography is frequently striking work within the Mann style and I'd probably say is his best color western effort in terms of the camerawork. As often is the case for Mann his work isn't about the beautiful shot, and that is what gave his films a different appearance than the contemporary westerns in comparison. And a lot of the work is lower key though certainly vibrant here in colors, and very effective in terms of the directness of the work in terms of capturing the action and character moments in often tighter shots that are terrific in terms of maintaining tension and amplifying action. However there are some beautiful shots where the two do decide to look out the horizon as westerns do, however it is at a literal different angle where height is emphasize more than broad vista, and where the horizon is beautiful however the way it is presented it is more ominous at times than grandiose. The framing of the final shots of the confrontation are perhaps the most dynamic example of this, as it isn't ugly, but it is eye-catching in a very different way from the westerns by Ford.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

I mean again seems an ongoing theme, but I'm fine with repeating my praise for Griffith's performance. As in the first scene you see him manage to do what are theoretically ridiculous villain things though with some actual nuance in his performance, where you see that desperate drive for the approval of Kreese as he brings Johnny in. And I always love the way Griffith plays the fight scenes as though Silver is living his best life when in combat. The second scene is the true achievement as he manages to do the sheer mania of his Karate Kid 3 performance, and make into something genuinely menacing rather ridiculous, as he goes about his plan into the most extreme version of his insanity.

Marcus:

And I assume the ones who aren't already, and remembering the international film Oscar doesn't go to the director.

Greta Gerwig (may happen this year if the Oscars buy Barbie as original campaign nonsense).
Marielle Heller
Nicole Holofcener
Debra Granik
Ava DuVernay
Lisa Cholodenko
Valerie Faris
Céline Sciamma
Tamara Jenkins
Charlotte Wells

Louis Morgan said...

With Dumb Money, I quite enjoyed Craig Gillespie's previous film that was aping other filmmakers in I, Tonya, I found this time it was less successful. While Gillespie is taking many cues from great filmmakers like Martin Scorsese and David Fincher, he unfortunately also takes a few from the terrible Adam McKay. But in general this sort of fusion of styles doesn't quite come together, particularly the humor here which I thought largely fell flat. Really the scenes that worked were those that stuck most closely with our central unlikely protagonist and his singular vision. There are some moments that allude to more in terms of commentary on the stock market and the pandemic, but it never quite dives towards anything truly insightful. It definitely isn't a bad film, but it is one that took a potentially great story, and made only an okay film about it.

Dano - 4
Woodley - 3
Davidson - 2
D'Onofrio - 2.5
Ferrera - 3
Offerman - 3
Ramos - 3
Stan - 3
Rogen - 3
DeHaan - 3
Herrold - 2
Ryder - 2
Brown - 2.5
Burton - 2.5

8000S said...

Louis: What do you think of Brennan in Cobb's role, given that he worked with Mann in The Far Country?

And while I wouldn't want to replace Cooper, Mitchum would have been cool in his part, wouldn't you say?

Luke Higham said...

Thoughts on Dano.

Tony Kim said...

Louis, your thoughts on these Sopranos scenes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RWeJZ5OX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh0YwKda7Fs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XztDEh5UWkw

Shaggy Rogers said...

Hey guys
Talk about your bets on:

Louis' Top 5 Best Original Screenplay
1. Ryûzô Kikushima, Hideo Oguni, Shinobu Hashimoto and Akira Kurosawa - The Hidden Fortress
2. Agenore Incrocci, Furio Scarpelli, Suso Cecchi d'Amico and Mario Monicelli - Big Deal on Madonna Street
3. Yasujiro Ozu, Kogo Noda and Ton Satomi - Equinox Flower
4. Paul Dehn, George St. George and Donald Downes - Orders to Kill
5. Ingmar Bergman - The Magician

Louis' Top 5 Best Adapted Screenplay
1. Alec Coppel and Samuel A. Taylor - Vertigo
2. Orson Welles - Touch of Evil
3. Andrzej Wajda and Jerzy Andrzejewski - Ashes and Diamonds
4. Satyajit Ray and Santi P. Choudhury - The Music Room
5. Reginald Rose - Man of the West

Anonymous said...

Louis: Thoughts on the rest of the Dumb Money cast.

Anonymous said...

Luke, what is your top 5 prediction for Best Actor 1958 overall.

Luke Higham said...

1. James Stewart in Vertigo
2. Chhabi Biswas in Jalsaghar (The Music Room)
3. Toshiro Mifune in The Rickshaw Man
4. Alec Guinness in The Horse's Mouth
5. Eli Wallach in The Lineup

Anonymous said...

Luke: What about top 5 for Actress, Supporting Actress and Supporting Actor?

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: I'll just do Supporting Actor for now.

1. Welles in Touch Of Evil
2. Quayle in Ice Cold In Alex
3. Ives in Cat On A Hot Tin Roof
4. Andrews in Ice Cold In Alex
5. Björnstrand in The Magician

Tony Kim said...

Louis, your thoughts on the ending of Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind?

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BRAZINTERMA said...

Hello Louis and folks.
Let's talk about our predictions in the main categories:

ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
American Fiction
Killers of the Flower Moon
Oppenheimer
Poor Things
The Zone of Interest

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
Anatomy of a Fall
Barbie
The Holdovers
Maestro
Past Lives

SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Emily Blunt - Oppenheimer
Viola Davis - Air
Jodie Foster - Nyad
Julianne Moore - May December
Da'Vine Joy Randolph – The Holdovers

SUPPORTING ACTOR
Sterling K. Brown - American Fiction
Robert De Niro – Killers of the Flower Moon
Robert Downey Jr – Oppenheimer
Ryan Gosling - Barbie
Mark Ruffalo - Poor Things

LEAD ACTRESS
Annette Bening – Nyad
Lily Gladstone – Killers of the Flower Moon
Sandra Hüller - Anatomy of a Fall
Carey Mulligan - Maestro
Emma Stone - Poor Things

LEAD ACTOR
Bradley Cooper – Maestro
Leonardo DiCaprio – Killers of the Flower Moon
Colman Domingo – Rustin
Cillian Murphy – Oppenheimer
Jeffrey Wright - American Fiction

DIRECTOR
Justine Triet - Anatomy of a Fall
Martin Scorsese – Killers of the Flower Moon
Christopher Nolan – Oppenheimer
Yorgos Lanthimos - Poor Things
Jonathan Glazer – The Zone of Interest

PICTURE
Anatomy of a Fall
Killers of the Flower Moon
Oppenheimer
Poor Things
The Zone of Interest
American Fiction
Barbie
The Color Purple
The Holdovers
Maestro

And what are your predictions?

Shaggy Rogers said...

Anonymous: I was going to leave it for the next post, but since you asked this question, you decided to bring it forward.

Louis' Top 5 Best Lead Actress:
1. Jean Simmons - Home Before Dark
2. Kim Novak - Vertigo
3. Susan Hayward - I Want to Live
4. Virginia McKenna - Carve Her Name With Pride
5. Jeanne Moreau - Elevator to the Gallows

Louis' Top 5 Best Supporting Actress:
1. Sylvia Sims - Ice Cold in Alex
2. Kay Walsh - The Horse's Mouth
3. Barbara Bel Geddes - Vertigo
4. Irene Worth - Orders to Kill
5. Marlene Dietrich - Touch of Evil

Shaggy Rogers said...

I made a mistake. In the Adapted Screenplay ranking, I remove Man of the West and replace it with Ice Cold In Alex

Marcus said...

Louis: I asked you this on the last post, what is your top 10 original film songs of the 2010s decade?

Louis Morgan said...

I liked the Caine Mutiny Court-Marshall. Focuses on the strength of the source material and the acting to sell it. Friedkin doesn't really hide the staginess, but rather seeks to present the value of what could be found on the stage. With a keen eye in terms of emphasizing monologues/reactions at the right time with some careful/limited but effective overt visual choices throughout the film. This isn't a big time swing for his final film, but a fine modest effort, and a fine modest success.

Saving Clarke.

Sutherland - 4
Lacy - 3.5
Raymund - 3.5
Reddick - 3.5
Riley - 3.5
Pullman - 4

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on the cast.

Emi Grant said...

Clarke ain't having too shabby of a year, huh...

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Your category placement for Clarke.

Luke Higham said...

RIP Terence Davies

RatedRStar said...

RIP Terence Davies

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

Brennan I think would've made a lot more sense, particularly just in terms of the age of the character. Also if he went full Westerner he would've been great.

Yes Mitchum would've certainly worked.

Luke:

Dano - (Just a reliably sincere turn from him, that brings just a quiet energy of care but also passion. It isn't pushing him too much as an actor, but Dano brings the right off-beat energy here, without going too off-beat either.)

Tony:

I will say when watching the series, which I didn't really take note of what episode I was on, the season finale moments would come and be a bit surprising to say the least, as part of just the whole series they're ending to something that doesn't end. Obviously I wouldn't have this thought if I watched them when they were released.

Anyway on their own:

Season 2 - (Interesting sort of two sides as you see the happy family gathering, over the scenes of kind of the underbelly of the evil that the characters perpetrate, seeing the two sides that come together with Tony seemingly at his apex as he lights up triumph. Additionally an unusual song choice that seems pitch perfect though.)

Season 3 - (Kind of the least Junior scene from Junior, though I do think it works as his celebratory mood for himself. Though similar again it is a hypocritical scene of the romantic view around the utterly pointless death and existence of Jackie Jr, and again you see the veneer that can only hide so much.)

The last clip is a good scene in itself, though does fall a little bit into the quick flip of the show given the falling out between Tony and Carmela was just kind of dropped at a certain point. Regardless particularly well acted scene in terms of looking very much like a family in the moment and the breaking of that with the quietness of the situation.

Great ending in the simplicity of the conversation, and the idea specifically of holding onto the concept of what might be, even if it probably won't work out.

Anonymous:

Woodley - (Fine supportive wife turn)

Davidson - (Hmm the character seems suspiciously like he's comedian Pete Davidson. I think the role would have benefited a lot from someone who seemed much more genuinely like a character, as I feel a lot of the scenes between Dano and him fell flat because Dano was playing a character Davidson was doing shtick.)

D'Onofrio - (Speaks to the weakness of the script that it's hard to tell how we're supposed to feel about his character, he's just kind of there.)

Ferrera - (In some ways a continuation of her Barbie performance very much playing "any woman", again but delivers in earnest.)

Offerman - (Does pompous well as to be expected.)

Louis Morgan said...

Ramos - (Does a fine bit as "any man" with some decent bits with DeHaan there.)

Stan - (Needed more of him I think, but does do smarmy well, if it's too limited here.)

Rogen - (Fine, though just really functional.)

DeHaan - (Effective punchable face work from him again this year.)

Herrold - (Hmm, I'm thinking her vapid work in Bodies Bodies Bodies wasn't a choice as she delivered her lines the same way again here. Really didn't think her or Ryder's scenes together worked, as they are so broad without being funny.)

Brown & Burton - (Seemed like a place for some genuine heart yet the two seemed a bit more caricature like where I think something more sincere would've been better.)

Luke:

I'd put Clarke in lead, though I think you could argue for a pure ensemble.

Sutherland - (He's good in more of bringing the idea of the paranoia alive and just sort of peeling it away in each appearance. Creating effectively the sense of the man getting sort of lost in his words and mind. I'd say he's not quite as heartbreaking as Bogart, who brought a real sadness beneath all the of the man, Sutherland, certainly brings desperation, however you don't feel as bad for this Queeg, even though you technically are just taking everyone's word for it, you didn't see unravel. Sutherland is wholly good though to be sure in portraying the specific neurosis of the characters and the way the man gets lost in the talking to himself in a way that sort of builds up the situation in his mind.)

Lacy - (Brings the right sort of humble foolhardy quality of the man that grants you a sense of the man who did what he did for the right reasons even if might've been manipulated. Lacy brings a nice sense of just sort of the man who intellectually isn't able to work on the level of those around him but within it brings a sense of honesty that defines him despite the situation he finds himself in.)

Raymund - (Brings the right sort of quiet official intensity as the prosecutor type just bringing in it as directly as possible, wouldn't say sort of goes above and beyond in parts of this ilk, but she's good.)

Reddick - (I mean he was always great at projecting authority with such ease, and that comes great use here. Just instantly commands the scene and is just ideal as a figurehead.)

Riley - (I liked his performance quite a bit as you see only this side of the character making him seem potentially more petty in his complaints, though Riley plays it well as ambiguous of either someone who is genuinely frustrated, or someone who is petty in his frustrations.)

Pullman - (A bit of shame we don't get the full Keefer, because he's so good in only two scenes of bringing Keefer to life. Though instantly he brings this smug manipulative assurance to the part and you instantly sense the full extent of the man doing his best to control the situation to see his way out on top. Pullman's little smug smile brings such a sense of the man's sort of sinister qualities beneath it all as the man who's just playing around with his things as he sees fit.)

Marcus:

1. "Skyfall" - Skyfall
2. "Glasgow" - Wild Rose
3. "When A Cowboy Trades His Spurs for Wings" - The Ballad of Buster Scruggs
4. "Oblivion" - Oblivion
5. "Sparkle" - Your Name
6. "Star Spangled Man" - Captain America: The First Avenger
7. "Audition" - La La Land
8. "The Hide and Seek Song" - Ready Or Not
9. "You're Welcome" - Moana
10. "I'll Never Love Again" - A Star Born

Louis Morgan said...

RIP Terence Davies

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast of Oblivion. Where would you rank Andrea Riseborough in Supporting Actress.

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on this cast for a Japanese version of Gone Baby Gone.

Tsutomu Yamazaki in Affleck's role
Yoko Tsukasa in Monaghan's role
Takashi Shimura in Freeman's role
Toshiro Mifune in Harris' role
Machiko Kyo in Ryan's role

RatedRStar said...

TBH Lee J Cobb would have been well cast on paper simply because, up until now he has never given a poor performance, its such a shame because he is usually very good in every role I have seen him in.

RatedRStar said...

Louis: If you ever did a face reveal lol, The Hide and Seek Song would be perfect haha.

RatedRStar said...

Louis: Have you ever seen The Trip series with Steve Coogan and Rob Brydon?

Luke Higham said...

RatedRStar: Speaking of Coogan, do you have any intention to watch the Jimmy Savile series.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Luke: That sounds kinda interesting, but something like this would need some top level writing to work.

RatedRStar said...

Luke: He is very well cast actually, I could easily see Coogan doing a good Saville, in the same way that Stephen Merchant did a good killer performance as Stephen Port, I might watch it, he certainly could do a great impression of Saville.

Matt Mustin said...

Steve Coogan is actually a much better actor than he maybe sometimes gets credit for.

RatedRStar said...

Matt Mustin: I agree, I actually think he is a great mimic and should get a film biopic role because he would nail it.

RatedRStar said...

Aside from Laurel and Hardy of course lol, maybe a James Mason biopic perhaps.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Will you be seeing Passages?

Tony Kim said...

Louis, regarding The Sopranos, do you think you could see John Turturro as Tony B?

Also, your thoughts on the episodes Marco Polo and Cold Cuts?

Matt Mustin said...

How are you all watching The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial?

Bryan L. said...

Matt: It's currently available on Paramount Plus.

Mitchell Murray said...

Forgot to mention it at the time, but I watched "The Outlaw King" a few nights ago. It was...alright.

As much as I find "Braveheart" problematic and innaccurate, I will concede it has the budget and vision of an epic. With this movie, you can see more limitations, and perhaps more of a straightforward scope in presentation. That's a shame, honestly, because Robert the Bruce is a very interesting figure, and this is a very important period in Scottish history. Side note: I recently did some digging, and apparently the Murray clan in Scotland dates to the mid 13th century. Therefore, there's a good chance some of my ancestors participated in the rebellions led by Wallace and Bruce.

Performance wise, Pugh is an easy MVP and actually is offered more screen time than I was initally expected. Pine more or less does the bare minimum; he isn't bad, but he's not firing on all cylinders either. Dillane and Johnson are both fine. Howle is distractingly bad.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

I saw it awhile ago at this point, I didn't bring it up because I don't think there's much worth discussing, Cruise control, Freeman is doing standard sage Freeman, Riseborough is slightly more interesting but not much more on the whole in terms of playing a relatively thin manipulative note. Kurylenko is just kind of there. Not that I even hated the film, I thought it was fine and got by just *enough* on visuals, but isn't anything more than that.

8000's:

I mean theoretically yes on all of those, though I feel with Mifune the Harris role would need to be even more substantial.

RatedRStar:

Only some random clips.

Anonymous:

At some point.

Tony:

I could definitely see it, particularly I think in being more innately intimidating. The real key though would be chemistry with Gandolfini, as that was what I thought was most lacking as I never believed them as long time friends even separated by time.

Marco Polo is a terrific episode built solely on really family interactions, and just the hilarious bit of Phil being a troll with his car. The rest though works in just exploring the relationship really between Tony and Carmela as seen specifically through her parents and the very different way her mother and father act towards Tony. Kind of a genius move in terms of making Tony seem wholly affable against the snobbery of Carmela's mom's friends, though also shows the reminder that within Tony's world he's so respected but out of it, far less so. The birthday sequence granting him the unlikely underdog status and in there you see the charm of Tony, and believe how he wins back Carmela through the sequence. Tony B.'s stuff I found least interesting, including him being constantly annoyed during the birthday party.

Cold Cuts has a lot of great bits, honestly probably the most I like Tony B is talking about The Legend of Sleepy Hollow randomly, and also as we see Christopher becoming the bullied kid, again showing how he's treated by Tony in the long run. And while I didn't always love the amount of time spent with Janice always, a great use of her in the episode in exploring Tony's anger which we see otherwise in his beatdown, but in the final scene you see just how insidious it is of just really wanting to cause pain more than anything.

Mitchell:

Speaks I suppose to the use of budget, because adjusted for inflation, Braveheart and the Outlaw King had the same budget.

Tony Kim said...

Louis, your thoughts on the Sopranos episode In Camelot?

Also, your top 10 Treehouse of Horror segments?