Monday 7 August 2023

Alternate Best Supporting Actor 2009: Adel Bencherif & Niels Arestrup in A Prophet

Adel Bencherif nor did Niels Arestrup receive Oscar nominations, despite the latter winning LAFCA, for portraying Ryad and César Luciani respectively in A Prophet. 

Ryad and Cesar are two very different fellow prisoners that our lead character Malik (Tahar Rahim) encounters in prison. Cesar is the first, very unpleasant, force to greet him, as he and his gang of Corsicans almost immediately force Malik to perform a hit for them. Niels Arestrup, who won LA for this in I'm guessing a wish to be different as if they really wanted to recognize the prophet does it lead but I severely digress, is a very specific presence. Similar to his thuggish father from his previous collaboration with Jacques Audiard, The Beat That My Heart Skipped, he is rather unpleasant, to say the least. And I'll say Arestrup is effective in being unpleasant, as just his very innate expression has this kind of toxic quality about the man, he seems on the edge of hate always, and that is where he exists. He is only occasionally a bit more pleasant. This is in stark contrast to Ryad, where Bencherif immediately makes Ryad an approachable man. Even as a prisoner, Bencherif's performance exudes this easy warmth about him and you sense in his first interactions with Malik that this is a man who would rather find friendship with Malik, than an ally, if not a servant, to be used as is the case with Cesar. 

As the film progresses we quickly have change with both Ryad and Cesar with their relationship with Malik that defines both Arestrup and Bencherif's performance. The former we see as the hostile old man where Arestrep is penetrating with just how vile and convincing he is in his moments of physical abuse. There's this ease of the violence he portrays that is particularly off-putting. Though in this I do ponder if perhaps Arestrep limits Cesar in a way, because bluntly, you hate Cesar completely without reservation, even when he becomes lonely when the other Corsicans leave, I didn't care. And along with his previous work, I do kind of wonder if he's too vile in both roles, only because you hate him, and that's about it. It should be reaffirmed that he's quite good at making you hate him again through his delivery and manner that is always hectoring, always has this slimy ease about him, but I do kind of wonder if there had been some sort of false misguided sense of fatherly manner there could've been even more with his character. And again it is very specifically a fundamental choice in Arestrup's performance that Cesar's humanity is rarely a sight except for pathetic self-pity and much of the time it is just him being a hideous man. So it isn't a case of him being ever less than good, I can't help but ponder if there was an even greater character possible however. I mean in the ending when he has lost all power, it is satisfying because he's been so despicable, but I can't help but wonder if it could've been even more complex by the end. 

With Bencherif, he is just wonderful in the role of portraying the consistent humanity of Ryad in the early moments of friendship with Malik. He and Rahim have great really just genuinely assured chemistry between each other. There is no sense of anything but the truth in how they speak to one another, which is what makes their interactions so special. And we see this only advance when Ryad gets released early because he has terminal cancer. The actors are so good there doesn't need to be a big thing about it because you just immediately accept this friendship as something pure and true within this brutal world. And the two are great together in their interactions because there is such strict understanding between the two, even as Ryad becomes sort of the reluctant partner as Malik becomes the more ambitious criminal of the two. Bencherif's performance is great as really this shadow of Rahim's, where he personifies every moment of hesitation or reservation. His work reinforces humanity again and again, with every delivery and reaction of his, whether it is fear of some of their criminal tasks or the joys of their successes, Bencherif is the amplification of that. Not by big swings as a performer, but rather this sincere consistency within his work. Bencherif's approach is just to bring this reaffirming life that makes him particularly tragic when we see the eventual wear of his cancer upon him. This is even in the most humane moments such as when Malik has dinner with Ryad's family. The two just are incredible together because it is just a simple friendship, and the two are as men in this criminal underworld as they would be in a happy life. And that is when Bencherif physically shows the sense of his impending demise, there is such a quiet yet heartbreaking reaction on his end, that grows throughout his performance this sense of what is coming for him. His final scene is one of the most moving in the film because Bencherif has just made you come to care for this man, and seeing his final wasting away moments is heartbreaking. And his whole performance is remarkable as he provides a fundamental contrast within the overall world, of a man in the darkness, but still having this innate light that defines him. 
(Arestrup)

55 comments:

Shaggy Rogers said...

RIP Arthur Schmidt

Louis Morgan said...

RIP Arthur Schmidt

Anonymous said...

Louis, thoughts on the songs from The Princess And The Frog.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Glad you enjoyed The Princess and the Frog. Could I have your thoughts on 'Never Knew I Needed' by Ne-Yo from the film?

RatedRStar said...

RIP Arthur Schmidt

Louis Morgan said...

Tahmeed:

Julius Caesar Directed by Robert Eggers:

Julius Caesar: Robert Pattinson (As I think young to older would make most sense to cover both the rise and fall)
Pompey: Damian Lewis
Crassus: Ralph Fiennes
Octavian: Levi Miller
Sulla: Ciaran Hinds
Marius: Sam Neill
Cleopatra: Brilliant unknown.
Brutus: George MacKay
Cassius: Barry Keoghan
Mark Antony: Paul Mescal
Cornelia: Morfydd Clark
Calpurnia: Anya Taylor-Joy

Calvin Law said...

You've made me appreciate Bencherif's work even more than before, that final scene is indeed so potent and moving.

Tony Kim said...

RIP Arthur Schmidt and William Friedkin

Louis: Your past roles for Bob Odenkirk, Jesse Plemons, and Aaron Paul?

RatedRStar said...

My winning request is Conrad Veidt - The Thief Of Bagdad

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

1. Schneider
2. Melamed
3. Francella
4. Bencherif
5. Irani

RIP William Friedkin and Arthur Schmidt.

Lucas Saavedra said...

1. Schneider
2. Melamed
3. Francella
4. Bencherif
5. Irani

Matt Mustin said...

1. Schneider
2. Melamed
3. Francella
4. Bencherif
5. Irani

Matt Mustin said...

RIP William Friedkin

Matt Mustin said...

RIP Arthur Schmidt

Tony Kim said...

Louis liking Princess and the Frog but not Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs is something I didn't see coming, thought for sure it would've been the other way around.

Louis: Thoughts on Krasinski and Rudolph in Away We Go?

Matt Mustin said...

Tony: He'll probably give those in the results.

Omar Franini said...

1. Schneider
2. Francella
3. Melamed
4. Bencherif
5. Irani

Luke Higham said...

Omar: What did you think of Vincere.

BRAZINTERMA said...

Hello Louis and folks!
In my final installment of The Academy Awards marathon... here's my mega-ranking of best director Oscar winners, from worst to best:

96º Vincente Minnelli
95º Sydney Pollack
94º Tom Hooper
93º Frank Lloyd (Cavalcade)
92º Anthony Minghella
91º Tony Richardson
90º Oliver Stone (Born on the Fourth of July)
89º Robert Benton
88º Ron Howard
87º Elia Kazan (Gentleman’s Agreement)
86º Frank Borzage (Bad Girl)
85º Carol Reed
84º Joseph L. Mankiewicz (A Letter to Three Wives)
83º Norman Taurog
82º Sam Mendes
81º William Wyler (Mrs. Miniver)
80º Frank Lloyd (The Divine Lady)
79º Richard Attenborough
78º George Cukor
77º Leo McCarey (Going My Way)
76º James L. Brooks
75º Kevin Costner
74º Lewis Milestone (Two Arabian Knights)
73º Barry Levinson
72º Danny Boyle
71º John Ford (How Green Was My Valley)
70º John G. Avildsen
69º Robert Redford
68º Steven Soderbergh
67º Delbert Mann
66º Frank Capra (Mr. Deeds Goes to Town)
65º Ang Lee (Life of Pi)
64º Woody Allen
63º Warren Beatty
62º Leo McCarey (The Awful Truth)
61º Ang Lee (Brokeback Mountain)
60º Joseph L. Mankiewicz (All About Eve)
59º Jane Campion
58º John Ford (The Quiet Man)
57º Robert Wise (The Sound of Music)
56º Frank Capra (You Can’t Take It With You)
55º Fred Zinnemann (From Here to Eternity)
54º Frank Borzage (7th Heaven)
53º Fred Zinnemann (A Man for All Seasons)
52º Daniel Kwan & Daniel Scheinert - DANIELS
51º George Stevens (Giant)
50º Damien Chazelle
49º Robert Zemeckis
48º William Wyler (The Best Years of Our Lives)
47º James Cameron
46º George Roy Hill
45º Billy Wilder (The Lost Weekend)
44º Kathryn Bigelow
43º John Ford (The Informer)
42º Alfonso Cuarón (Roma)
41º John Schlesinger
40º Clint Eastwood (Million Dollar Baby)
39º Guillermo del Toro
38º Franklin J. Schaffner
37º Robert Wise & Jerome Robbins
36º Michel Hazanavicius
35º Victor Fleming
34º Oliver Stone (Platoon)
33º Alejandro G. Iñárritu (The Revenant)
32º Steven Spielberg (Saving Private Ryan)
31º Martin Scorsese
30º Chloé Zhao
29º Bob Fosse
28º Bernardo Bertolucci
27º Alejandro G. Iñárritu (Birdman)
26º William Wyler (Ben-Hur)
25º Lewis Milestone (All Quiet on the Western Front)
24º Milos Forman (One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest)
23º Roman Polanski
22º David Lean (The Bridge on the River Kwai)
21º William Friedkin
20º Alfonso Cuarón (Gravity)
19º Elia Kazan (On the Waterfront)
18º Jonathan Demme
17º Michael Cimino
16º George Stevens (A Place in the Sun)
15º Billy Wilder (The Apartment)
14º John Ford (The Grapes of Wrath)
13º Mike Nichols
12º Peter Jackson
11º Frank Capra (It Happened One Night)
10º Michael Curtiz
9º Mel Gibson
8º Joel & Ethan Coen
7º John Huston
6º Clint Eastwood (Unforgiven)
5º Bong Joon Ho
4º Francis Ford Coppola
3º Milos Forman (Amadeus)
2º Steven Spielberg (Schindler’s List)
1º David Lean (Lawrence of Arabia)

How to make this journey was long and tiring, but I think it was so worth it. Now I can settle down and just watch the films of future winners.

BRAZINTERMA said...

Louis: I want to thank you. Ever since you did your mega-rankings over 10 years ago it has motivated me that one day I would be able to do the same.

Tony Kim said...

Matt: OK, I see.

Louis: Any thoughts on Cary Elwes' recent reinvention as a character actor, and are there any "over the hill" actors whose careers you wish would have a similar minor renaissance?

J96 said...

BRAZENTERMA, and everyone else, what are your top 25 losers for Lead and Supporting Actor and Actress, Director, Pitcure, Song and/or animated Feature

Here is mine off the top of my head:

ACTOR

1. Brando "Streetcar"
2. Pacino "Godfather Part 2"
3. O'Toole "Lawrence of Arabia
Nicholson "Chinatown"
Welles "Citizen Kane"
Washington "Malcolm X"
Bogie "Casablanca"
Newman "The Hustler"
De Niro "The Deer Hunter"
Gable "Gone with the Wind"
Olivier "Rebecca"
Keaton "Birdman"
Hoffman "The Graduate"
Stewart "It's a Wonderful Life"
Freeman "Shawshank Redemption"
Clift "From Here to Eternity"
Steiger "The Pawnbroker"
Burton "Virginia Wolf"
Hurt "Elephant Man"
Mortensen "Eastern Promises"
Poitier "Defiant Ones"
Holden "Sunset Blvd."
Neeson "Schindler's List"
Huston "Dodsworth"
Crowe "Beautiful Mind"

J96 said...

RIP Arthur Schmidt and William Friedkin.

8000S said...

Louis: One thing that I always found interesting about Clouzot is how he was hated by the French New Wave, who loved Hitchcock, who basically was his Hollywood contemporary.

How do you explain their dislike of Clouzot and love for Hitchcock?

J96 said...

ACTRESS

Swanson "Sunset Blvd"
Burstyn "Requiem for a Dream"
Dunaway "Chinatown"
Rowlands "A Woman Under the Influence"
Bassett "What's Love Got to do with It?"
Close "Fatal Attraction"
Sarandon "Thelma and Louise"
Bancroft "The Graduate"
Goldberg "Color Purple"
Davis "All About Eve"
Winslet "Eternal Sunshine"
Sidibe "Precious"
Garland "A Star is Born"
Pfeiffer "Fabulous Baker Boys"
Blanchett "Elizabeth"
Hepburn "Breakfast at Tiffany's"
Moore "Ordinary People"
Davis "The Help"
Chastain "Zero Dark Thirty"
Spacek "Carrie"
Andrews "The Sound of Music"
Winger "Terms of Endearment"
Weaver "Aliens"
Fontaine "Rebecca"

SUP. ACTOR

Pacino "Godfather"
Jackson "Pulp Fiction"
Sharif "Lawrence of Arabia"
Fiennes "Schindler's List"
Rains "Casablanca"
Hackman "Bonnie and Clyde"
Steiger "On the Waterfront"
Hoffman "The Master"
Hayakawa "Bridge on the River Kwai"
Guinness "Star Wars"
Sheppard "The Right Stuff"
Clift "Judgement at Nuremberg"
Widmark "Kiss of Death"
Scott "Anatomy of a Murder"
Berenger "Platoon"
Schmidt McPhee "Power of the Dog"
Richardson "The Heiress"
Pesci "Raging Bull"
DuVall "Apocalypse Now"
Courtney "Dr. Zhivago"
Aiello "Do the Right Thing"
Abdi "Captain Phillips"
Hardy "The Revenant"
Affleck "Jesse James"
Wilder "The Producers"

SUP. Actress

Leigh "Psycho"
De Havilland "Gone with the Wind"
Lansbury "The Manchurian Candidate"
Anderson "Rebecca"
Thurman "Pulp Fiction"
Whinfrey "The Color Purple"
Blair "The Exorcist"
McCormack "The Bad Seed"
Tomlin "Nashville"
Sevigny "Boys Don't Cry"
Moore "Imitation of Life"
Blair "Marty"
Ross "The Graduate"
Pfeiffer "Dangerous Liaisons"
Moorehead "The Magnificent Ambersons"
Laurie "Carrie"
Foster "Taxi Driver"
Blyth "Mildred Pierce"
Holm "All About Eve"
Manville "Phantom Thread"
Weiss "The Favourite"
Jones "The Bachelor Party"
Blanchet "I'm not there"
Adams "Junebug"
Lange "Peyton Place"

Emi Grant said...

Brazinterma: I just wanna say, I highly approve of Tom Hooper being so low.

R.I.P. Arthur Schmidt & William Friedkin

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Brazinterma: Lean's a great choice for #1 for Lawrence. Stevens' win for A Place in the Sun being as high as it is, is also pretty inspired.

J96 said...

SONG

"The Rainbow Connection"
"The Look of Love"
"The Circle of Life"
"The Mystery of Love"
"Gonna Fly Now"
"Belle"
"Town Without Pity"
"The Bear Necessities"
"You've Got a Friend in Me"
"When She Loved Me"
"Be Our Guest"
"Ben"
"Kiss the Girl"
"Audition"
"Go the Distance"
"Somewhere Out There"
"Nobody Does it Better"
"Ordinary Love"
"Journey to the Past"
"Hold My Hand"
"Stand Up"
"I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing"
"That Thing you Do"
"Blazing Saddles"
"Listen"

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Down in New Orleans - (The intro version is very much kind of a variation on a theme of the Disney ballad of that sort, I guess to set up the purposeful subversion as it leads into the main version, which introduces Randy Newman doing Disney songs, which actually is a combination I quite like, one because Newman doesn't sing them himself, but also seemed to have brought more inspiration from him than say his later Toy Story themes for example. Anyway, we get Newman, therefore, bringing his sometimes R & B influences, though filtered through sort of Disney flourishes in terms of the instrumentation, though maintaining more so the Jazz band sources rather than orchestral. And it works as a mix here, in the introduction of the setting song, in its own way, effectively in terms of the lyrics, but has a fun sort of relaxed bounce to it, though while still building in its own Disney. A lovely merging of styles, that actually is logical to set unlike say Hercules for example.)

Almost There - (Lovely performance by Anika Noni Rose regardless, but again we get a strong variation on the "more" song, which is one of those songs, while again through that different style that Newman brings that is wonderful. Again you have building melodies, and a passionate central performance speaking passionate lyrics, but again with this subversion of the instrumentation which is very different but wholly works as such. Finding a balance as the sort of more just "fun" jazzy instrumentation again that always supports, that more direct passion of Rose's performance.)

Friends on the Other Side - (I mean Keith David singing is like Keith David talking, just goes down smoothly. I will say this song isn't quite perfect in terms of being exposition while also creating a song, I think in parts the former takes over a bit at the song's expense occasionally. Having said that, I do love how much Newman plays around again with atypical instrumentation, which creates a particularly lurid quality and is always helped by David's performance. It is also kind of all over the place where it goes from one part to another, but it always remains engaging even if imperfect.)

When We're Human - (I mean the peppy sort of sidekick-led song you'd expect with the up-tempo, even if the leads are included here, but again just manages to keep up the energy of it as it throws to each character giving their wishes, all just through the extremely to the point melody, that again is enriched by the atypical, for Disney, instrumentation, that creates just a lovely progressing song.)

Louis Morgan said...

Gonna Take You There - (I'd say the animation carries things more than the song does in the sequence, I do like the instrumentation specifically the chorus, but find the rest of it fairly repetitive. Not bad mind you, but doesn't stand out within the film's songs.)

Ma Belle Evangeline - (Interesting that the firefly talking to a nonexistent love interest gets the ballad, which I think is just *fine* as Disney ballads go. I think it isn't overly inventive with the style, there is a little bit, particularly the use of the trumpet which is quite nice in bringing the melody alive in a different way, but it is the type of ballad, that doesn't really build just kind of is, but is fine as is.)

Dig a Little Deeper - (I mean I can often support proper use of a Hammond organ, which Newman found a way that works, and illustrates the value of such a different style as the starting point. Although here showing a much better use of gospel style than Hercules, bringing a specific inspiration and really testifying to a moral truth in the lyrics which is well done in terms of expository singing. But on its own it's a good relatively straightforward song, just working in its simple melody, and repetition of the solo, the gospel choir, and the organ, before merging which is rather well done.)

Tahmeed:

Never Knew I Needed - (I will say stylistically it is completely out of whack with the rest of the songs, and I have never been a fan of the pop rendition that would be used over Disney credits, which this is similar to. Having said that, I like this more than most, because its own song, and even if different from the rest of the songs from the film, is a lovely tune on its own. And I can be weary of something heavily produced, but here I actually like its balance between vocals and the electronics and to be ultra-specific is very nicely mixed. But I think the lyrics have a great earnest quality, with the sampling I think not being overdone, but rather being used carefully to craft an impassioned pop song.)

Calvin:

Thanks, that always means a lot when I'm able to do that.

Tony:

Odenkirk:

Archie - A Fish Called Wanda (Country swapped)
Dale Harding - One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest
Joe Clay - Days of Wine and Roses

Plemons:

Private Pyle - Full Metal Jacket
Dillon - The Friends of Eddie Coyle
Robert Syverton - They Shoot Horses Don't They

Paul:

Paulie - The Pope of Greenwich Village
Biff Loman
Aaron Stampler - Primal Fear

Brazinterma:

You're welcome.

Tony:

I mean I will never stop saying "John Lone come back" but I'd want him back with a proper major role. I might've also said Mickey Rourke, but the man just cannot *not* burn bridges it seems. Otherwise, Griffin Dunne perhaps (though he is in things), more Michael Palin (shame Death of Stalin was just an exception), and how about some more Klaus Maria Brandauer.

8000's:

Well there is a tendency for hometown hate, you can find the same thing with Kurosawa among some Japanese critics, where I guess it is "cool" to hate the most famous director from your home country. I also think he was the most immediate "before" from the New Wave directors, so it was an easy target for them to say "We're not going to do *that*". And maybe a bit of leftover distaste for his activities during WWII, despite hardly being a simple matter (where several major contemporary French directors defended him), with Le Corbeau decidedly not being at all a propaganda film (though it is perhaps very fitting that he managed to tick off everyone with that film during the war).

Anonymous said...

Louis coming off a previous list where you named the biggest downgrades between freshman and sophomore efforts, how about the reverse, the bigger improvements?

Tony Kim said...

Louis: In your view, why do you think Cary Elwes didn't work out as a leading man quite as well as he's doing as a character actor?

Also, your thoughts on these alternate choices for C.C. Baxter?

Bill Hader
Tom Hanks in the 80s
David Hyde Pierce in the 90s

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Here's five anyways:

American Beauty -> Road to Perdition (Sam Mendes)
Following -> Memento (Christopher Nolan)
Guy and Madeline on a Park Bench -> Whiplash (Damien Chazelle)
Barking Dogs Never Bite -> Memories of Murder (Bong Joon-ho)
Swiss Army Man -> Everything Everywhere All At Once (The Daniels, slight cheat)

Here's five. Probably Leone and Cameron as well, but I haven't seen their first films.

Tony:

Elwes is an interesting case, because he never really was a leading man per se, at least in the sense of the *star*. We forget now that The Princess Bride didn't actually do amazing initially. In fact his far bigger hit was Robin Hood. But between those two films, he played way more character actor roles such as Glory, Hot Shots, Days of Thunder, Bram Stoker's Dracula, and didn't define himself as a leading man. And maybe, he kind of set himself up as just a working actor, and just ended up being seen as such so he didn't break out of it. And I think it probably didn't help that his two most prominent leading roles were in semi-similar roles, so again he was seen as a very specific performer as a lead, and more known just as a supporting actor. So falling into only character roles wasn't really a leap exactly, because he never fully became the leading star type, which sometimes happens.

Tony:

Hader I haven't seen do the romantic comedy gear (well at least Trainwreck didn't convince me) so not sure.

Tom Hanks is an easy yes.

Pierce certainly is a wonderful physical/comedic performer and does great as the romantic underdog, so sure even if he was never really the leading man.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis: Aside from the 1951 one, have you seen the other adaptations of Death of a Salesman? If so, your overall thoughts on them?

Also how do you think Plemons would've fared as Buffalo Bill?

Louis Morgan said...

Ytrewq:

I've seen the play but I haven't seen the Hoffman or Cobb tv versions beyond clips.

I mean I think Buffalo Bill is such a specific character it would be a challenge regardless, but I think Plemons would have as good of a chance as pulling it off as anyone by his ease in doing psychotic awkwardness.

Marcus said...

Louis: What would you say have been the most inspired acting Oscar nominees so far of the 21st century? (in terms of performance style, being from a less popular film, so on).

Louis Morgan said...

Marcus:

A few per category not in order:

Actor:

Gary Oldman - Tinker Tailor Solider Spy
Johnny Depp - Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl
Paul Mescal - Aftersun
Steven Yeun - Minari
Daniel Kaluuya - Get Out

Actress:

Ruth Negga - Loving
Isabelle Huppert - Elle
Marion Cotillard - Two Days, One Night
Charlotte Rampling - 45 Years
Quvenzhané Wallis - Beasts of the Southern Wild (and yes I don't even adore the performance as some do, but inspired regardless.)

Supporting Actor:

Heath Ledger - The Dark Knight
Robert Downey Jr. - Tropic Thunder
Ke Huy Quan - Everything Everywhere All At Once
LaKeith Stanfield - Judas and the Black Messiah (If also dumb in a certain sense).
Brian Tyree Henry - Causeway

Supporting Actress:

Maria Bakalova - Borat Subsequence Moviefilm
Jackie Weaver - Animal Kingdom
Melissa McCarthy - Bridesmaids (again even though I don't adore the performance)

And yes, some like Ledger and Quan were done deal by nomination time, but are still inspired in terms of where they began conceptionally so to speak.

Omar Franini said...

Luke: I haven’t seen the movie in years, but it’s very good. The story is interesting and both Timi and Mezzogiorno are terrific, she would be in my top 5 for best actress.

Louis: if you have time could you also watch Jerichow (Petzold+Hoss), Mademoiselle Chambon and 35 Rhums?

My winning request is Benoît Magimel in Pacifiction.

Anonymous said...

Louis what would be your cast and director for an 80's Oppenheimer?

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Would it be possible to review both Elite Squad performances whenever 2007 is covered.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Old news at this point, but do you have any thoughts on David Corenswet and Rachel Brosnahan being cast as Superman and Lois, or do you feel you haven't seen enough of either's work to say?

Also, do you think you can see Plemons as Killer Mannion/Arthur Jones and Longfellow Deeds?

RujK said...

Louis: Have you seen Fargo the TV show?
If you did, what are your thoughts and ratings for Billy Bob Thornton and Martin Freeman in the first season?

Matt Mustin said...

RujK: He doesn't give ratings but you can search for his thoughts on them, I don't know where.

Michael McCarthy said...

Tony: I don’t know anything about Corenswet (which is probably as it should be for someone taking this role), but Brosnahan is *perfect* for Lois.

Tony Kim said...

RujK: He's a big fan of Fargo, and has discussed those performances multiple times, like here: https://actoroscar.blogspot.com/2015/12/alternate-best-actor-1962-toshiro.html

I'd recommend Googling "site:actoroscar.blogspot.com freeman fargo" for stuff like that.

Michael: Agreed completely. Hopefully this leads to her becoming a proper movie star like she should be.

8000S said...

Louis: When it came to Kaleidoscope, Hitchcock wanted to use unknown actors, but Universal suggested David Hemmings, Robert Redford and Michael Caine for the role of the serial killer.

How do you think they would have fared in the part?

Not sure about Redford.

Louis Morgan said...

Omar:

I will try to get to those.

Luke:

We'll see.

Anonymous:

Oppenheimer 1980's directed by Philip Kaufman:

Oppenheimer: Donald Sutherland
Kitty: Stockard Channing
Groves: Gene Hackman
Strauss: Christopher Plummer
Jean: Jenny Agutter
Lawrence: James Brolin
Pash: Bruce Dern
Hill: Rene Auberjonois
Bohr: Donald Pleasence
Teller: Bob Gunton
Nichols: Ray Wise
Robb: Rip Torn
Einstein: George Coulouris
Rabi: Elliott Gould
Aide to Strauss: Timothy Bottoms
Truman: Jason Robards

Tony:

I haven't really seen enough from Brosnahan to say talent wise, but visually she is classic Lois to a tee. I've only seen Pearl for Corenswet, where I thought he was okayish in a very non-Superman type role. But again visually, looks the part, and I'll say I'm glad it wasn't Nicholas Hoult (for the same reasons I don't want to see Tom Hardy as Bond).

Yes I could see Plemons potentially in both roles as he certainly can do "soft" and psychotic. And while he might not be my first choice for Deeds, I could see it potentially.

8000's:

Hemmings is an easy see, as he always kind of seems like a serial killer, and Caine in Get Carter mode could be something quite impressive. I actually think Redford could work if the part was a narcissist psychopath.

BRAZINTERMA said...

RIP Robbie Robertson

RujK said...

Tony Kim: Thank you

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

RujK: He didn't give them ratings, but it's pretty safe to assume both have recieved unofficial 5's, especially Thornton.

RatedRStar said...

RIP Robbie Robertson

8000S said...

Louis: I once saw a 1960s Drive fancast with Jimmy Stewart as Bernie Rose.

What are your thoughts on that casting idea? I mean, he did play a villain in After the Thin Man and post-WW2, he began to take on darker roles.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Your updated thoughts on Nick Mohammed and Juno Temple in Ted Lasso? Both of their arcs were sabotaged by the writers (especially Nate's), but I think they did the best they could. In hindsight, a lot of the overwriting this season for Keeley seemed like an overwrought attempt to get Temple an Emmy if that makes sense.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis: Your past roles for Paul Giamatti?

Louis Morgan said...


8000's:

I will accept no substitutes for Jackie Gleason, he IS the ideal Bernie Rose for 60's. Having said that, yes Stewart could certainly go darker and pull off the part. Since I'd say I've only ever seen him struggle with poorly defined tones and play superiority (and even then he still gave a strong performance).

Tahmeed:

Mohammed I think was indeed severely sabotaged by the writing, because as was done in Barry season 3, as Annie Wilkes would say "He didn't get out of the cockadoodie car". And that is where season 2 and Mohammed left Nate, was bitter and kind of vicious in his bitterness. Season 3 didn't keep that for even a moment, even the negative press conference was really the end of season 2 Nate. So this left Mohammed really giving a limp performance in many ways, that just was muddled by poor writing. Because suddenly he wasn't where he was, so his villain side suddenly was meaningless so they played false, and we just kind of got a weak rendition of season 1 Nate. And I don't think he was really at fault, the writing just made him repeat notes that weren't terribly interesting. Particularly his love interest, which was severely undercooked, where we just got him doing awkwardness again. Or his scene with his father, where Mohammed tried but it was really way too easy of reconciliation as written. There was genuine raw emotion in his scenes with his dad in season 2 or even when he kisses Keeley in season 2. All of that is wiped away in season 3 in the writing, so Mohammed just instead does kind of a reprise that rings false, again because the writing was false.

I agree that they might've wanted to really give Temple meaty material and in turn, kind of just made Keeley seem a waste of time. It WAS DUMB, to take her out of the stadium. So instead you get those solo scenes with everyone in that subplot where I think Temple was *fine* but was struggling to give life to those moments in terms of either comedy or romantic tension. It all seemed forced in one way or another, again the writing is what brought down the performance, I think Temple tried, but it just never felt honest. Like the whole romance with Jack, could've been something but you kind of preemptively knew it was a setup for failure so it was hard to believe any of it. And again I think Temple is fine but just turning the wheels of performance in a way. I do think she was best in her scenes with Waddingham, Dunster, and Goldstein...almost like they should've kept her located in the same spot the whole time. With the latter two, the scenes though honestly were too brief and too rushed, I think she was good in bringing a bit more depth to them in her reactions, but again just not enough was given to them to make them something truly special. Instead, Temple was oddly spread all over in terms of plots, and in turn, none really resonated, and her performance never felt complete in a way.

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