Tony Leung Chiu-wai did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying Lai Yiu-Fai in Happy Together.
Happy Together is a beautifully told and shot film about two Hongkongers in a difficult relationship while abroad.
The two Hongkongers being Leung and Leslie Cheung as Ho Po-Wing. A homosexual relationship really notable for the time because it doesn't really make a big deal about, in fact at all in terms of the storytelling. That aspect isn't the focus of the film in the least, that is simply the starting point, the point examining it as a complex and difficult relationship. We have the two sides of the relationship. On the side we more often follow is Leung in the role of Lai, who is more easily described as the "responsible" one who seems to have any intention for the future. We see the two initially in the throws of a more intimate relationship. Leung and Cheung do have fantastic chemistry in these moments where you get the sense of a primal attraction between the two in a moment, that is essential as an underlying constant though not the only aspect within their character. At the same time though there appears to be a discontent where we get the two shades of the idea of the relationship where Cheung portrays a blithe attitude right down to Ho's repeated "let's start over" as though the relationship can be just reset when needed, Leung's performance accentuates the burden of such an attitude as both men seemingly only have each other, as difficult as that is, being so far from their home as they are in Argentina within the opening of the film.
Leung's performance is honestly more often silent, despite being the narrator of the film, however within the narration of the film, his work is fairly straight forward as this man just recounting his life, no fuss or overemphasis, just a man explaining what is happening to him. What Leung's work then is breathing life into this situation and this relationship, while so infrequently stating every aspect of the relationship. Where the greatness of the work, and the film, is that this idea never seems underwritten or underdeveloped even when the amount of words is often limited. That is found in the strengths of the central performances particularly Leung's work as Lai. Leung's initial scenes are of that exasperation towards the state of this relationship, this constant back and forth between Ho seeming interested towards him then in a moment later will be equally dismissive of him. Leung presents Lai as just dealing with what he has and often struggling with the difficulties of this state. The frustrations initially more so the exasperation towards Ho's immaturity before they break the first time and Lai a job at a nightclub. A nightclub he soon sees Ho visiting with a different man. Leung is amazing in his portrayal of all the thoughts storming through his head in a moment of this notice. The complex anxiety is so remarkable in Leung's performance because it isn't just jealousy or anger, there is so much more within the need of the companionship one moment just as there is the distress of it the next.
They renew a relationship although no longer one of extreme sexual intimacy or even necessarily attraction just of intimacy as they live together but don't sleep together. Leung's performance helps to realize the strange sort of logic of this state the two exist in as it is obviously Ho is willing just to "Start over" once again, but that isn't the case for Lai. Rather Leung shows still an override stress about his interactions with Ho, and even the discomfort in being in the same place. Leung at the same time though still shows that powerful need for attachment, and really the moments of the intensity of the loneliness when completely alone. Leung's performance is so articulate in creating the detail really in the interaction between the two characters. He can't quite leave Ho, he needs Ho, but he also in a way can't stand what Ho represents and what Ho's behavior really does to him. This is remarkable because again it is all in Leung's silent portrayal of the interactions that we see this. When together they are in this state of distress together. Leung portraying just the frustration of having to be in this constant of needing this person yet also wanting so much not to need this. In his moments of lashing out and really just trying to ignore Ho, Leung shows Lai in a way trying to contain his own emotion that in a way is this constant pester of him. Leung presenting a man stuck in a painful purgatory of the relationship, as a relationship he knows he doesn't truly desire, but still not one that he feels he can entirely give up either.
As Ho is recovering from an attack, Lai continues on attempting to resolve some path to return home to Hong Kong, where we have these essential moments where Lai receives one too many calls at work from Ho. Leung's performance in these scenes though are of this perfect kind of resignation where his voice is this unfortunate assuaging of Ho on the other line, while his face is just that of a man going through the motions of fulfilling the needs of Ho in the moment. There is no passion in his eyes, just rather a man trying to deal with this relationship that he is deeply attached to even if he in many ways he really doesn't want to be. This is in stark contrast to a relationship that develops with the slightly ambiguous Chang (Chen Chang), a fellow worker at a restaurant that Lai works for. Chang within the scheme of the film and the scheme of Lai's life seems this breath of fresh air as this slightly eccentric but also just outgoing and optimistic young man. Leung initially portrays the reactions to Chang as just this minor interest, but no more than that, as he still depicts the pained fixation on whatever emotional state Ho might be in at one time another, however always calling Lai to make sure he knows. With Chang, who genuinely seems to just enjoy life and Lai's companionship, even in just a friendly way, Leung is terrific in portraying basically the weight upon his soul that eases in these interactions. It is still a very subtle performance, and in his subtle work does he reflect this sense of natural calm and potent warmth these two men share, that lacks the pained challenge of the contentious relationship with Ho.
The final act of the film, which in typical Wong Kar-wai fashion is not about the expected, and it typically is about the beauty of silences, depends greatly on Leung's performance to create the emotional anchor. His performance throughout these scenes barely says a word beyond his narration, as Lai goes off on his own to first visit Iguazu Falls before heading to go home to Hong Kong, finally cutting himself off from the difficult relationship with Ho and also leaving the potential relationship with Chang behind. Leung's performance is able to articulate in really just these silent moments of contemplation suggesting the state of Lai that suggests growth yet still struggle with his condition, which really is just the human condition. His work is exceptional in that it has such a power to it in both very specifically realizing Lai's particular circumstances while also making them wholly empathetic in just anyone facing the idea of loneliness against regression, growth into the unfamiliar or comfort within stagnation. Leung's work reveals that no matter the decision there is no ease in the choice and we come to know what Lai's mental state is as he leans to the new, even if there is a different kind of pain in that new. This is no better reflected than the final shot of Lai in the film as he rides the bus alone but back in Hong Kong. It is outstanding work from Leung as it isn't a simple note of distress in Leung's performance but so much of the memory of the experiences he's been through in this moment. He's going through so much more than a simple thought, and such poignancy is in this complexity that is all in this singular silent moment.
97 comments:
LOVE this performance, I'm so glad he got upgraded.
Louis: Your thoughts on the "I'll take it to the end of the world" scene?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlPsE0gKTd4
Tahmeed: I actually asked Louis this before, he gave them here: https://actoroscar.blogspot.com/2020/08/alternate-best-actor-1950.html
'Low key beautifully shot scene with just the natural vibrancy of it. Otherwise a wonderfully warm, yet heartbreaking scene brought home by Leung's obscured, yet so potent reaction.'
Love this review, adore this performance and glad that the film seems to have only strengthened on rewatch. Your thoughts on Wong's direction here, and Doyle's cinematography?
Also one thing I absolutely adore about this film is how naturally it shows their deeply unhealthy relationship as well as a more wholesome and healthy one with Chang, but offers no easy answers in either regard.
Louis: Did Cheung and/or Chen go up for you?
Louis: Can I have your thoughts on the opening to Attack on Titan Season 4?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtjQVqXUPHo
Well deserving upgrade. It's been common for me to see a lot more from performances in Wong Kai-wai films upon rewatch because his direction and cinematography is so good you might overlook what the actors are doing. Leung would be a 5 for me for In The Mood for Love as well.
Louis: Could you check out Under The Skin with Samantha Morton.
Hoooly mother of God, I did not expect this upgrade, but I'm so happy to see it. Absolutely well-deserved. Probably Leung's best performance in my opinion.
Random but since AOT was mentioned and I've seen there's a few anime fans on here I'll give my top ranking for this season's cast. The entire forth season so both part one and two.
1. Yuki Kaji - Eren (All time great work)
2. Yoshimasa Hosoya - Reiner
3. Marina Inoue - Armin (I think the greatness of her work is the consistency)
4. Takehito Koyasu - Zeke
5. Ayane Sakura - Gabi
6. Romi Park - Hange
7. Yui Ishikawa - Mikasa
8. Kishou Taniyama - Jean
9. Hiroshi Tsuchida - Grisha (Little screentime, but his range is tremendous)
10. Mitsuki Saiga - Yelena
11. Kensho Ono - Floch (Doesn't get enough time but he's a joy every scene)
12. Hiroshi Kamiya - Levi (Didn't have much to do this season besides Savagery)
13. Hiro Shimono - Connie
14. Natsuki Hanae - Falco
15. Manami Numakura - Pieck
Oliver: I'd agree with your top 5. I'd probably rank Shimono's work a lot higher because of just how devastating his portrayal of Connie's breakdown was.
How would you rank all the seasons? Mine would be:
Season 3 Part 2
Season 4 Part 2
Season 3 Part 1
Season 4 Part 1
Season 2
Season 1
Louis: Which films did you find to be the most compelling depictions of toxic/unhealthy relationships.
Save that question until Nil By Mouth.
Just occurred to me that 1997 had a few films with toxic relationships as an element, like L.A. Confidential, Nil by Mouth and Happy Together.
https://twitter.com/oscarsclip/status/1458707984469561350
Wow, this might be the worst Oscars clip I have ever seen.
Louis: Have your thoughts on Robin Williams in Good Will Hunting changed at all.
The reevalutation I'm most waiting for is Robert Forster.
Matt: Agreed.
Louis: If you've seen them, thoughts on Princess Mononoke and Hercules.
Tahmeed:
Season 3 Part 2
Season 4 Part 2
Season 4 Part 1
Season 3 Part 1
Season 1
Season 2
Season 3 Part 2 (The absolute peak of the show and one of the only adapted anime arcs that I could say is genuinely perfect from beginning to end. There's so much going on here. It's a simple story premise but goes so far. Each character is brought to their limit. Erwin for once in his life finally choosing humanity over himself. Levi having one of the most emotional moments in the show during Perfect Game and Midnight Sun. Armin getting the character development he always needed. Reiner and Bertolt grappling with the fact they must kill their former comrades. Bertolt getting some of the best development for a side character I've ever seen in a single anime episode during Descent. Of course what tops it all off is Eren getting brought into his final arc near the end of season. It's brilliantly put together.)
Season 4 Part 2 (This is the part of the series where critiques will begin to get louder and some of them are justified while a lot just aren't. The biggest criticism from viewers is how they believe it's contrived to portray The Survey Corps and the Warriors as good friends who are working towards a common goal ignoring everything that was ever built prior. I really don't understand how everyone wishes the Survey Corps to give the Warriors so much shit for what they've done when they clearly came to understand the situation they were in after their time in Marley and also knowing their past. They put their hatred aside, not only to try to stop a common threat to humanity but also because they came to understand each other better, therefore a direct connection to the 'Children of the Forest' speech from Sasha's father. It's subtle writing that shouldn't be overlooked. Another critique is Ymir's backstory which I'll agree with her getting 'touched' by a parasite was pretty stupid lore. Anyways, the characters in this season are as great as they have ever been. Although Eren’s character arc was complete a while ago, we learn a lot about him this season which elevates his character to insane heights. Despite Eren's change seeming unbelievable and poorly written to some, this part of the season fixes any issue. The revelations in episodes 4 and 5 explain his motivations. His motives aren't for anything as silly as revenge, or even really about protecting his home, but to put an end to the cycle of hatred by wiping away the civilization that created it. I'll also stand by my firm belief that Floch is the most underrated character in the entire show. I see how someone could get behind and cheer for him as he goes against the alliance because of how passionate he is about his beliefs. Only a devil could save the world. So yeah, good shit all around. Eren is still a masterclass in character writing and the best thing about this season. Animation is much better this time around. There's a hundred different moments I could go into detail about. I wish some of the old tracks were used but there's still excellent tracks like Footsteps of Doom. So no matter what contrarians and manga readers who have read further along might tell you AOT is still good, very good, actually it's amazing.
Season 4 Part 1 (Loved this season and if I ranked it above Part 2 I'd be able to live with that but I can't quite do that because I feel Part 2 reaches greater heights as a whole. Besides Eren, I absolutely loved how Reiner and Zeke were written during this season. Brilliant character development and voice acting. I won't go into detail about everything but it's an amazing season.)
Season 3 Part 1 (Besides the final chapters which are yet to be adapted, this arc was the most critiqued by fans. I can't agree with that at all because this was also a well done season and absolutely necessary to push the theme of how it's no longer humanity against titans. This season was everything Levi and Historia needed. Their development was good.)
Season 1 (Excellent first couple episodes establishing the world. I felt the Trost district arc dragged on and was one of the weaker parts of the show. The Female Titan/Forest arc was outstanding though and made me fall in love with the show when I first watched it a few years back)
Season 2 (Warrior, Charge and Scream. Those are great episodes and the great stuff is some of the greatest stuff in the entire show. But the rest of the season like Historia/Ymir doesn't hold up as well for me considering how much has happened since then. Not a bad season but nothign stands out until THAT scene in Warrior in my opinion.)
In regards to Shimono I still have to rewatch the previous 5 episodes because I only watched through them once so far. His work will probably hit me a lot harder because the more I think about "Traitor" the more I realize how exceptional Marina, Shimono and even Ono were that episode.
Oliver: I actually actively hated Season 2 when it was first airing weekly. It took me a rewatch of the whole show up till Season 4 Part 1 to realize that THAT was where it took the next step beyond being just a very good action anime, by introducing higher emotional stakes and the show's lore. The way the show seamlessly changed genres every single season and did it successfully, is why I love it as much as I do.
Besides Michael, has anyone else seen Everything Everywhere All At Once? God the hype I have for that is insane.
Also in a (hypothetical) 2020s Happy Together directed by Barry Jenkins:
Leung’s equivalent: Andre Holland
Cheung equivalent: Jonathan Majors
Chang’s equivalent: Kelvin Harrison Jr.
Louis: Your thoughts on this interview with John Wayne and Maureen O'Hara.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3Go2Q6GF0o
Calvin:
Well regarding my reaction, it should be expected, and really I should give every Wong film a re-watch (except maybe Ashes of Time which I actively disliked), as like some Coen brothers movies for me, knowing the trajectory of the journey actually makes it easier to appreciate the journey fully. Anyway, what is it about Wong Kar-wai here when in prime form, which is the case here, that makes his work so special. And like In the Mood for Love, it is this fascinating combination between the lyrical and the tangible, blending the two in a way that I think strangely makes the tangible all the more that through the lyrical. And by that what I mean is I think Wong avoids what I believe can be too stylized by having just moments of purely people speaking or having a moment, like the opening sex scene, trying to get the car started or any conversation between the men. There's an essential grounding he brings in these moments, even the moment of the tape, or times in the kitchen that makes it real. Wong though makes it even more real in a strange way in lyrical beauty he brings, and what I think this is connecting the viewer to the image emotionally in such a powerful way, that connects even more fully with the character. I think what explores this idea most simply but most easily is the waterfall. Looking at a giant waterfall in reality it is a remarkable experience, but really often times when you see one in a movie, it is nearly meaningless. The image of the waterfall here is remarkable, just looking at it elicits emotion, the type of experience our central character is seeking, and we feel it too in this moment. And so often Wong is able to craft this uniquely visceral experience, that makes images truly tangible and experiences that, while truly never losing that human connection.
I mean what can be said of the lighting but such remarkable beauty is in every frame, with that achievement of Wong with Doyle in achieving that somehow has naturalistic lighting but with the blending with technical artificial illumination that is this combination that creates that emotional charge to every frame, that is too perfect for reality, yet also makes the frame so tangible through its beauty. That isn't even mentioning the variation in lighting choices, the blends used in the colors, or even lack thereof that create this gorgeous and striking variation. That isn't even mentioning the composition of the shots that are indeed just so perfect in the type of shot that earn the "every frame a painting"
distinction.
I could see it.
Anonymous:
no.
Marcus:
Not crazy about the metal-core style, and doesn't for me exactly naturally transition to the less intense verse of the songs. Otherwise kind of cool animation I suppose, though I still am at loss for any understanding of it.
Luke:
I mean give me a grace period here, I just updated Damon's review today.
And I'm not changing my typical policy when giving the rundown of thoughts on a current review year. In the results as usual.
8000's:
I mean what you do see there is just the natural chemistry the two had even in the excepted formality of the red carpet style interview.
Is Kinnear getting a re-review? I always thought he stood well above his film.
Glad Hopkins got upped to a 4 for Amistad, really need to rewatch that one too.
So, I watched What We Do In The Shadows some days ago. This movie really does live up to it's comedic reputation, as I was laughing basically through the entire runtime. Probably one of the best comedies I have watched in some time.
9.1/10
Cast ratings:
Taika Waititi: 4/5
Jemaine Clement: 4/5
Jonathan Brugh: 3.5/5
Cori Gonzalez-Macuer: 3/5
Cast MVP: Taika Waititi
I forgot to say that I also watched Everybody Hates Johan, a wonderful Norwegian absurdist comedy. I watched it at my local cinema (which basically was full). This movie is both hilarious and touching. I also really love it's wonderfully absurd visuals and energetic music. I wish it was a bit longer, as you do feel it's short runtime, but that's basically where my complaints end. I recommend checking this one out.
9.4/10
Cast ratings:
Pål Sverre Hagen: 4/5
Cast MVP: Pål Sverre Hagen
Louis: thoughts on the legendary scene of Dennis Reynolds reading Charlie’s campaign speech?
https://youtu.be/ROCKGuuviis
Could you read this article on CODA's Best Picture win and give me your thoughts? https://thereveal.substack.com/p/oscars-aftermath-catching-up-with?s=r
Tony: This article reminded me of a comment I read on Youtube that the ceremony taught an important lesson to CODA and Will Smith, sometimes losing Oscar can be much more advantageous than winning.
For CODA, the fact that it was only among the nominees for the best picture was the biggest victory. But winning an Oscar in the end will unfortunately catch the curse of Crash and Green Book, which will receive more negative reviews on top of its own qualities.
As for Smith, after he slapped, if he had lost, at least he could have escaped the embarrassment.
Does anyone know where to find Louis's rating and thoughts on Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman?
Robert:
I'll certainly give it another watch.
Calvin:
Classic scene from the fact that just Howerton's hilarious ad lib created such an essential element of Charlie's character, and of course the perfectly disjointed so called "speech" ("Philadelphia so do"). My favorite part actually might be Day's reaction though as he listens with pride and even mouths the words as though to him it truly was a great speech.
Tony Kim:
I mean the review itself is eerily similar to my own thoughts, from the unfavorable (to CODA) Running on Empty comparison to noting of the overdone horny quality of the parents.
On the point of the article, it got me thinking about the strangeness of Best Picture, which while there are technical winners in the producers of the film, no one thinks about that, and the actual achievement is muted against what happens to the film, which 9 times out of 10 (No Country/Parasite) the film becomes lambasted for winning. And the win itself though often represents zeitgeist rather than achievement in some way.
I'll say the idea of expectation I think in itself is a tiresome venture, in that whenever I hear the review "overrated" or "It wasn't THAT good", I find the forthcoming opinion less worthwhile because it so considers one's random expectation rather than the film itself as it is, who cares about the generalized expectation, just tell me what you think as it stands as just any film, not as a "great film".
Louis: Your thoughts on the following Blackadder scenes:
Court Martial
How did the war begin?
Going over the top
Louis: Also thoughts on the "We're your firing squad" scene.
Anonymous: Julia Roberts thoughts are right here.
https://actoroscar.blogspot.com/2015/04/alternate-best-actor-1990-results.html
Louis: your thoughts on Chocolat and Isaach de Bankolé's performance.
Rewatched the original Spider-Man after many years, and it really is absolutely perfect. I have been unkind about some of the cast, so here's some ratings updates.
Maguire-4(Now here's an interesting one. I actually didn't really see anything different this time around, I just never appreciated what it is that he's doing before. But I do now.)
Dafoe-3.5(Still don't like the costume, but I actually do appreciate how his performance plays into how ridiculous it looks. He's just a fun villain. Yeah, he maybe could have brought a little more actual menace, but whatever, I kinda don't care that much.)
Dunst-3(I've been mean about this performance in the past. I still think there's something to be desired from her, but I think that's really more down to the writing than anything else.)
Franco-2.5(OK, he's got some decent moments here and there.)
Roberston-4(I get more out of this performance every time I watch it.)
Simmons-4(Nothing new to be said. He's a complete hoot.)
Harris-3.5(Just a personal note, she reminds me SO MUCH of my grandmother it's ridiculous.)
Louis: What is your 2020s cast for Nicholas and Alexandra.
Louis: Your thoughts on Gunnar Fischer's work in The Seventh Seal and Wild Strawberries.
Louis: If you have read it, would you consider Plato's Symposium possible to adapt in cinematic form? If so, your cast for it?
Glad to see Williams get an upgrade.
Louis: Could Williams go up for Good Morning Vietnam?
Marcus: I think he's more likely to go for Awakenings.
Louis: Your thoughts on the Piano version of the Blackadder theme music in the series 4 finale.
I know 2009 is kind overflowing with requests, but I wouldn't mind seeing Williams reviewed for World's Greatest Dad
I didn't know that film was well received. I always assumed it would've been in the 30-50% range.
Louis: Thoughts on Flashheart's talk with the trainees.
Louis: Any possibility of Banderas and Hopkins going up for The Mask Of Zorro.
Also, looking back at the list of great performances that never came to be, I'm rather curious that Jack Nicholson in Kubrick's Napoleon didn't make the list. I assume there would've been too much uncertainty and maybe even miscast. Also if he was cast, would likely never see his performances in Chinatown and OFOTCN.
Louis: And what would you rather have: Kubrick's Napoleon or Barry Lyndon with Robert Redford in the lead role. I've come to the conclusion that I'd rather have the latter. Redford deserved to have that 1 5 star performance that he never achieved.
Robert: What are your thoughts on World’s Greatest Dad? I have a LOT of issues with it but I’d agree that Williams did quite well.
Louis: Why do you think Richard Attenborough never got an Oscar nod, and which performances do you think he could have been nominated for?
Luke: Redford is an easy 5 for me for All the President's Men, I hope there's some chance for an upgrade.
But yeah, he would have been MILES better than O'Neal in Barry Lyndon, and I don't even think he's that terrible in it.
Tahmeed:
Court Martial - (Perfect denials to the extreme by Baldrick, but greatest of George's incompetence with the confidence he brings in saying that his own client is guilty. In turn Atkinson's reactions are hilarious in his exasperation at their idiocy though what makes it so great is his kind of resignation towards the whole thing, and Fry's a cherry on top with his blustering corruption, and overdone sadness.)
How Did the War Begin - (Started off hilariously just with Balderick's terrible incompetence at making the simplest of questions the most complex. What's great though is it genuinely goes over the causes just with hilarious riffs to every part of it.)
Going Over the Top - (I mean where the show quite powerfully pulls the rug out from under you even though it is still hilarious, although in the comedy making the pathos even with George admitting to being scared, and Darling's regrets that are funny yet also heartbreaking. Manages to keep being funny, yet by being such joy seeing they're going to die, makes it all the more haunting with the slow dissolve of the meaningless as they're charged is replaced by nothing, then just the flowers over their remains.)
Razor:
Firing Squad - (Hilarious at being terribly punny at being so proper in their manner as though they are just good old boys.
Calvin:
I feel I must've given those during 88 supporting re-do.
8000's:
Wild Strawberries and Seventh Seal are honestly perfect companion pieces for a cinematography display. They are similar in the mastery of light and the control of every bit of darkness and light. The composition and framing of each is a kind of perfection. Where they differ is the choices of each creating different intense states. Seal's cinematography is a far grander scope, typically holding more area in the frame and more characters. Brilliant in the choices in creating the askew nature of death, and the extreme contrasts between the light of the people and the blackness of death. The shots have fittingly medieval-style paintings in terms of the dramatic style, whether it be the classic shot of the first play of chess or the final dance of death. Creating a beautiful and grand tapestry of a nightmare. Wild Strawberries though is all about intimacy, and memory within that intimacy. The shots are typically far more compressed in scope, yet just as potent in the realizations of this style that evoke memory, both the good and the bad with such beauty. This is the glow of remembering the sunny days of old, or the shadows of the mind. The shots standing focused on a professor caught within the frame forced relieve these states. Both are very different choices overall, and both are brilliant in their successes in these choices.
Anonymous:
I have, and I think as written for a straight adaptation, you could make a short film out of it, you'd have to unnaturally stretch it out to make a feature out of it. What you could do, which I think would be an interesting experiment, is take each adaptation of love (even using a straight adaptation as the framing device) to tell a short story based on each interpretation of love. I think you could create different filmmaker anthologies (which usually doesn't seem to work out) or have one filmmaker stretch their wings into their own anthology (which usually is the better choice) based on the different interpretations. Or you could expand it by getting more so into the characters themselves and make it more conversations than monologues.
Marcus:
Yes, but just slightly.
Luke:
Just goes to show how a melody denotes no mood automatically, and that a different arrangement of usually a joyful tune can be downright haunting.
Again the list of "Not starring" is so massive, I'm sure there are more than a few I missed. I think Nicholson produced exactly what Kubrick wanted for his Jack Torrance, I think with Napoleon he probably would've allowed a more nuanced Nicholson, so yes that could've been an interesting one.
They have already, slightly.
I wouldn't say Redford is precluded from the upgrade for The Candidate or All The President's Men. Anyway, Lyndon with ease, because that would've made it just about perfect for me given that Redford would've been genuinely charismatic, and wouldn't have just carried the same pout throughout the film. Would've actually been you know, a confidence man.
Anonymous:
I mean it is one of the most baffling mysteries around because they were quick enough to recognize him for his directing with Gandhi, so obviously they didn't have a personal problem with him. He's one of about 7 actors who won the Globe (when it was the only true precursor) without being Oscar-nominated, but he did it twice. In both instances he won for films that got a Best Picture nomination, it honestly just makes no sense for me in both cases, other than just some terrible luck on his part I guess. In turn, I imagine he was definitely close for The Sand Pebbles and Doctor Dolittle with those globe wins and might've been in the conversation for Seance on a Wet Afternoon.
Louis: have you watched the rest of the episodes of Winning Time? I ask because I wonder if you were annoyed by the 'style' of the show.
David Jones:
Nicholas II: Dan Stevens
Alexandra: Vanessa Kirby
Rasputin: Robert Pattinson
Count Witte: Gary Oldman
Kerensky: Nicholas Hoult
Lenin: Rory Kinnear
Trotsky: Barry Keoghan
Stalin: Harry Styles
Anonymous:
Also for Symposium:
Socrates: Mark Rylance
Agathon: Timothee Chalamet
Aristophanes: Bill Murray
Alcibiades: Benedict Cumberbatch
Eryximachus: Matthew MacFadyen
Phaedrus: Will Poulter
Aristodemus: Paul Dano
Apollodorus: Paddy Considine
Lucas:
Actually not overly so, I don't really see the point mind you of the bad 80's TV resolution shots, but they haven't been that grating for me. Don't think it really adds too much to the series though, which I otherwise I have enjoyed for the characters and performances.
Louis: Watching Murray deliver Aristophanes's soulmate speech would definitely be something special.
Luke: Honestly, the idea of Nicholson as Napoleon just sounds like a huge miscast.
Louis: Your thoughts on the voices of Ingrid Thulin, Bibi Andersson and Liv Ullmann.
Luke, any rating predictions for The Northman cast.
Anonymous:
Skarsgård - 5
Taylor-Joy - 4.5
Kidman - 5 (I've read from the early reactions that she gives the best supporting performance in the film)
Bang - 4.5/5
Dafoe - 4.5
Hawke - 4
Björk - 4
Louis: your cast and director for 1970s Tropic Thunder.
Luke: now that i think of it, any cast ratings predictions for Everything Everywhere All Af Once? I feel like that will have top notch acting all across the board as well.
Yeoh is an easy five from what I'm hearing.
Matthew: I’ve seen it and can give actual ratings
Yeoh: 5
Hsu: 3.5
Quan: 4
Hong: 4 (gets an extra .5 for one BRILLIANT line delivery)
Curtis: 4.5
Michael: awesome! How was the movie itself?
Rewatched the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies and I really like them all. The first one is actually my favourite by far. The second is great, but it's not at all the unassailable masterpiece of the genre everyone claims it as, in my opinion. The third one...look, yes, it's messy, but there's also a lot to like in there still. Speaking of which, Louis, I don't like to do this, but your 1.5 for Maguire there is, I think, massively harsh and unearned. In my opinion anyway.
I did ratings for the first movie, so I guess I'll do them for the other two as well.
Spider-Man 2
Maguire-4
Dunst-2(She's written HORRIBLY in this one, so it's not completely her fault.)
Molina-4
Franco-2
Simmons-4
Harris-3.5
Spider-Man 3
Maguire-3.5
Dunst-2.5
Franco-3(Somehow his best performance in the trilogy. I shouldn't like what he's doing, but I do.)
Simmons-3.5
Church-3.5
Grace-1(OOF)
Cromwell-2.5
Howard-1.5
Harris-3
Louis: How would you rank your most recent 5 male lead and supporting overall winners? (2017-2021)
Marcus: If I had to guess-
Lead:
Hopkins
Stanton
Dafoe
Cooper
Gosling
Supporting:
Pesci
Mendelsohn
Bridges
Cooper
Rockwell
I have to say that I kinda agree with Matt that Maguire's 1,5 for 3 is a little harsh. When it came to his moments with Aunt May and that final scene with Sandman, he actually did very well IMO.
I do disagree on Dafoe being a 3,5. I'd give him a 4 or even a 4,5. Perfect casting.
Also, something tells me Doyle is winning for Cinematography this year.
Louis: Seen any new or returning shows recently?
I wanted Louis to take 2016 just to see his analysis of Dano and Radcliffe before talking about a performance of Everything Everywhere All At Once.
Shaggy: 2016 is coming soon enough.
Luke: OH YEAH!
After the 70s and 80s though so probably late summer or Autumn/Fall.
Luke: Really? Well, so after 1997 I wanted the years 1972 and 1989 to come.
I've got nothing of much worth to add for modern movies out of lately, but I've been re-watching Season 2 of Better Call Saul (I'm marathoning for S6) and I genuinely can't believe how terrific Michael McKean was on each and every single scene. His work on "Klick" being nothing short of a masterclass.
Every day I only grow more bitter towards the Emmys...
Emi: Probably one of the most underappreciated performances in recent television.
Louis: Do you think Andrew Garfields’ appearance in NWH may have given him a boost in him getting a nom for Tick Tick Boom, or do you think he would’ve gotten in anyway? As in, NWH being the biggest film of 2022 increasing his exposure/publicity during the key awards month of December and onwards.
(Alright, he did co-star in Tammy Faye as well, but all the praise there went to Chastain/the makeup).
*film of 2021, though it technically made a lot of money this year as well.
Saw The Outfit. Big fan of it, especially for Rylance and Flynn's performances. Found Deutch to be a bit of a weak link, more that she didn't feel particularly period appropriate.
Everything Everywhere All At Once, I almost adored, instead I mostly adored it with some fairly minor reservations. It's one where I think in some points you get a little too much of a good thing, as this isn't a film where I disliked anything, there was just more of it than there needed be. Mostly this is I think it could've just been tightened by removing a bit here or there, that's a quibble. The slightly larger reservation is in the ending where it makes the same dramatic point twice, with two different characters, but it is the same point so it feels a little repetitious, and for me diluted the power of the second point (where I found the first extremely potent). I just wish the film had mixed the moments together, as I do think it made sense to have both they just needed to be implemented in a slightly more efficient way.
HAVING SAID THAT, this is such a fun, extremely creative and also emotional ride. It throws it all in, and again even if it throws in too much, I still liked it all. It is just unlike anything I've honestly ever seen in terms of the overall package, and is a genuine treat in so many ways (any film that includes considerable homages to both Ratatouille and In the Mood For Love ought to be).
Saving Quan (never thought I'd be saving Short Round).
Yeoh - 5
Hsu - 3.5
Hong - 4
Curtis - 4
The thing about Everything Everywhere...is that I'm hearing nothing but immense praise for it, but that was also the case for Swiss Army Man from the same directors, which I HATED. So I don't know how I'm gonna feel about this one.
Happy to see that Yeoh has gotten her first 5, Quan is being saved, and that high rating for Hong too.
Matt: I dunno, this one is getting WAY more raves than Swiss Army Man which was definitely way more divisive.
Also, In the Mood for Love homage? God I'm starving.
Damn, Quan had been in hiatus for nearly 2 decades.
Smith banned for ten years, doesn't really make much of a difference TBH, unless his future roles get cancelled or he simply doesn't get offered big roles anymore.
Matt:
There are some moments akin to Swiss Army Man, but the vast majority of it I'd say it is much more accessible on the whole (If extremely idiosyncratic as well).
I'm pleased we've had a fairly strong start to the year. I just hope The Northman is exceptional.
Reading about Quan's comeback in articles has moved me very much, and also gives me hope that perhaps someday John Lone will return (which is something I'm sure all of us, especially Louis, would love to see).
Ytrewq:
Tropic Thunder directed by Mel Brooks:
Tugg Speedman: Gene Wilder (though he'd have to be a hardboiled 70's detective type)
Jeff Portnoy: Dom DeLuise
Kirk Lazarus: Dustin Hoffman
Four Leaf: Don Ameche
Rick Peck: Christopher Walken
Damien Cockburn: Marty Feldman
Kevin Sandusky: Jeff Goldblum
Alpa Chino: Gregory Hines
Les Grossman: Gene Hackman
Matt:
I mean the memifcation (perhaps the most memed performance of all time) makes all most retroactively entertaining (and not just the Venom suit moments, he also has weird moments like his "they love me!"), but within the original context those moments are truly ridiculous and I I think that even within Raimi's purposefully heightened tone.
Marcus:
Lead:
Hopkins
Stanton
Dafoe
Cooper
Gosling
Supporting:
Pesci
Rockwell
Mendelsohn
Bridges
Cooper
Razor:
Watched The Dropout, and also watched the first episode of Tokyo Vice (which is the first thing Michael Mann has directed in some time), rather liked it actually even with its less than ideal lead.
Bryan:
I think he would've gotten in anyways, there was a lot of praise for him in that film to begin with, and I think he could've been second still honestly. The fact that Bardem got in means that the top four must've been pretty tight in terms of how secure their spots were.
8000's:
Thulin and Andersson voices are both similar though sultriness realized in a voice are they.
Ullmann - Gentleness in a voice couldn't be greater, and just that innate sweetness while being unique in a way that was all her own.
Louis: do you think Tom Noonan could be good as an old version of the Joker?
Possibly, he's an atypical actor, which means it could certainly work.
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