Monday 18 April 2022

Alternate Best Actor 1997: Ray Winstone in Nil By Mouth

Ray Winstone did not receive an Oscar nomination, despite being nominated for BAFTA, for portraying Raymond in Nil By Mouth. 

Nil By Mouth is a striking directorial debut by Gary Oldman (and currently his only film) about a dysfunctional family in South London. Notable in his approach, and I think often the pifalls of lesser films covering similar material, is that Oldman doesn't pile misery upon misery, though there definitely still is misery, but shows the variety still even in a deeply troubled life. 

We see this in the character of Ray, played by Ray Winstone in what was his breakout role that led to him consistently working from then on, who in the earliest scenes of the film is one of the "good old boys" hanging around a club with his pals, listening to bawdy stories and of course drinking. Winstone's performance isn't instantly alarming in his portrayal he portrays this natural state well. This man just looking for the easy joys of life with just this sense of a temper lying beneath that state. We see this just in his briefest moment with this wife Valerie (Kathy Burke), and when someone accidentally bumps into him. In both interactions he's not immediately horrendous but in his delivery he brings the sort instinctual switch to intensity. The way he falls into a near violence even in a moment of just slight inconvenience. He doesn't suggest the man is about to truly break out in that moment, but the threat of it is still there. Winstone doing so well in making it the innate suggestion that seems to be the man's natural state of being. Of course this is within seeing the moments of the man just hanging around where Winstone is effective in calming enough to show the man being able to functionally have fun so to speak and hang around with the guys. He's on an edge of the cliff but he isn't always off of it.

The first immediate sign of trouble with Ray is when we see him with Valerie's drug addict brother Billy (Charlie Creed-Miles). Although their initial interactions are pleasant enough, just as we see some of Ray's interactions with Valerie. This is where the film truly excels and it speaks to both Oldman's direction and the strength of the ensemble how real they all are together. They just naturally suggest this life of the working class group whether they're home or out and about. There is the ease in their interactions that speak to a long history together as a group, even if there is very much a struggle within this as well. We see this when Billy, in need of any drugs, steals from Ray, and we get the first immediate outburst of Ray's anger. The ease of it in Winstone's performance is key as there isn't an escalation of it, it is Ray going all in terms of just how vicious it is. Winstone doesn't portray it as controlled or exacted, but rather this messy anger that pierces through in every direction. All of this becomes all the more apparent in his moment where he confronts Valerie over having played pool with a man. Winstone is many things in this scene, and all of them absolutely brilliant in terms of performance. The first foremost being downright terrifying in the visceral intensity he brings in the moment. This particularly as his voice so quickly goes from asking her about what happened to full on yelling in a moment. Winstone doesn't hold back for a moment and in that it is horrifying to watch. What I think takes this performance further than just a portrayal of a brute, even if it is that, is how vulnerable Winstone's performance is in the moment. The anger and jealousy is unquestionably there, but in Winstone's eyes and even in his yelling is a desperation of someone nearly crying in heartbreak just as he goes about mercilessly beating the woman he supposedly loves. 

Winstone's performance as the terror of Ray is that of a disturbing ferocity in the man, and so terrifying because of the lack of sense in his eyes in the moment. Winstone shows a man so far gone as he goes around yelling at his family that there is nothing but violence that is defining the man in the moment. Winstone shows the pivotal lack of sense of it, and the horror of the man just attempting to claw his way back towards his wife, who he beat so brutally, without a hint of compassion or care. Just emotions pouring out of the man in this feverish terrible pitch that he makes a proper mess. It is a mess of a man that is Ray who really only stops when he himself is beaten by a larger man for his behavior and left coughing up his own blood. Winstone's performance even in the moment is important because there is almost this shut off, even beyond being knocked unconscious of the rage of the emotions having a temporary release. Winstone doesn't portray it as Ray finally reflecting but rather being forced to stop his parade of anger via blunt force trauma. As powerful of a physical presence as Winstone is in terms of portraying the terror that is Ray when angry, his most remarkable scene is actually an extremely quiet one. We find Ray with one of his mates recounting his own past. Winstone's delivery of this entire scene is just flawless, from the way he opens in speaking the terms as though he is just talking about his life as he would at a pub. This with these natural little friendly asides he brings, but in that Winstone reveals such pain in the man. This as he speaks to his father the loveless drunk, and Winstone delivers every word with such a rich sense of the history behind it. In the moment showing in Ray the boy who never was loved by his father, and was so desperately looking for any love in the moment. This even recounting his father being close to death with such a somber description that is of a man so deeply scared, yet in the moment makes every word of this revelation feel so natural, as though he was just casually speaking to you. It is amazing work because he bares Ray's soul in the moment, yet doing it in a way that feels wholly authentic to the type of troubled man that is Ray. 
 
The last two scenes of the film one would "assume" that we see a "better" Ray as he goes to Valerie to apologize and to ask for forgiveness. In the scene Winstone is great because there is nothing false whatsoever in this apology. He shows in each moment such genuine love he has towards Valerie in the moment and the pleas are of someone who does deeply care for his wife. Even as Valerie counters that she cannot bear his anger and doesn't want to see her life as just misery. Winstone's reactions are potent because he shows that in the moment Ray is absolutely listening to everything that Valerie is saying, and in no way is this a purposeful manipulation. Winstone rather shows that really within all of it there is that stunted emotional state of the man who never received love and in turn only knows how to express his emotions in a few ways. In this moment we do see in his eyes the man looking at the woman he loves, even letting a bit of understanding that she is right in her rejection, yet it is all really of that of a child looking on and seeing his chance for honest affection moving on from him due to his uncontrolled temper. The final scene of the film is fascinating, a coda that takes place some time after Valerie then rejection of Ray, as we now see the family back together, except Billy who has been arrested. The atmosphere of the family again is so vivid, and within it there is the right ambiguity particularly with Winstone's performance. In this moment of joking and seeming love, he is pleasant enough in that moment. At the same time though Winstone's face still is that of a troubled man. Although maybe Ray will be on his best behavior for now, or even a bit, there is still the feeling that it probably is only a matter of time before his broken nature gets the best of him. This is a great performance by Ray Winstone. It is a terrifying visceral turn of an abuser, but there is so much more nuance here. Winstone's complex performance giving both a convincing sense of the horrors that the man can inflict, but also the deep seeded vulnerabilities that aren't antithetical to those horrors but rather help to define them.

109 comments:

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Glad you loved him as much as you did, terrifying performance.

Louis: Your ratings and thoughts on the rest of the cast, and your thoughts on Oldman's direction.

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on The Alamo as a missed opportunity. As much as I like Wayne as an actor, not sure if he was cut out for directing. John Ford was the ideal choice for such a film.

Luke Higham said...

So pleased. 100% deserves the five.

Marcus said...

Top 10 prediction:

1. Crowe and/or Pearce
3. Hall
4. Winstone
5. Duvall (if he gets upgraded)
6. Leung
7. Holm
8. Fonda
9. Skarsgard
10. Day-Lewis

Matt Mustin said...

Louis: Thoughts on Oldman's screenplay?

Michael McCarthy said...

I’ll have to give this another shot at some point, it didn’t do all that much for me when I watched it. Have you seen “Face” by Antonia Bird Louis? It’s also a 1997 film and I actually prefer Winstone’s supporting performance in that to his work here. I definitely recommend getting to it before you finish the year, it’s also got a very strong lead performance in Robert Carlyle.

Matt Mustin said...

In anticipation of Better Call Saul season 6 tonight I binge watched season 5. Incredible, probably the best season so far. Season MVP Rhea Seehorn, but Dalton and Odenkirk are right behind her.

Matt Mustin said...

Loved the Better Call Saul premiere. Rhea Seehorn MVP.

Emi Grant said...

Matt: SAAAAMMMEE. Episode 1 was terrific, Episode 2 was great too. I just have one or two minor quibbles with the latter. Still terrific TV all-around.

Louis: Your thoughts on both episodes? (once you get around to them)

Calvin Law said...

Love Winstone in this one.

As for BCS, agreed, Episode 1 pretty much perfect, few nitpicks with the second Episode but loved it too. Everyone in the cast was on point, but yes, especially Seehorn. Also, in reference to that first episode title, could totally see Odenkirk and Seehorn in a contemporary Day of Wine and Roses.

Michael Patison said...

I need to get back into BCS. I watched the 1st season back when it first aired and never came back to it.

Shaggy Rogers said...

Louis: What are your Top 10 best actors or actresses debuts as directors?

Anonymous said...

Louis, is moving Shaw to Lead for Pelham 123 a possibility in future.

Calvin Law said...

Louis: thoughts on the Broker trailer?

Unknown said...

John Smith:Louis, can have your top 25 moments from the last dance. One of my all time fav dock. Probably the best edited doc of all time

John Smith said...

Which films did you find to be the most compelling depictions of toxic/unhealthy relationships.

This is annons question from Skarsgård reciew

Luke Higham said...

Looks as if Ezra Miller's career is over.

Calvin Law said...

They clearly need help but also the sheer number and extent of those incidents is just crazy. Definitely a career ender I think.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Serves them right tbh.

Matt Mustin said...

Miller clearly has some kind of mental illness and that is all I will say about it.

Matt Mustin said...

I watched The Sweet Hereafter. The second Atom Egoyan film that I've really loved, after the masterpiece that is Exotica (talk about a hidden gem). I found it very quietly moving with an excellent sense of place, a terrific score and great acting.

Holm-5
Polley-4
Greenwood-4.5(Egoyan really knows how to get the best out of him)
McCamus-2.5(He's a great actor, but this character doesn't really work)
Rose-4
Watson-2.5
Chaykin-3
Khanjian and Pastko-3
Banks-2.5
Morgenstern-3.5

Mitchell Murray said...

Matt: I can think of very few films that were simultaneously so beautifully crafted yet also incredibly haunting.

I'm also glad to see my fondness (and by extension, request) for Greenwood isn't without predicence; I found him quite convincing as a normal guy jaded through tragedy, and he does effectively support the bus crash scene.



Louis Morgan said...

Tahmeed:

Burke - 5(Although one of the shorter in terms of screentime lead performances, however, I do feel she is lead despite the technical brevity. And regardless anyways this is an amazing performance, and from what I've seen quite atypical to what is usually asked of Burke as a performer. Burke is just bluntly real here in a way that is painful to watch, in a way that speaks to the visceral power of this performance. When she is hit and wounded, the real terrible distress of this is in every inch of her work. There is far more than that here I think it is important again to note the way it isn't all just misery as powerful as that element in her performance is alone. Her performance is wholly authentic feeling in the moments of just hanging around, dealing with her drug-addled brother, or speaking with her mother. In the less intense moments, Burke is still fantastic in creating just a real sense of who this person is and the life she is living. The early scenes of this calmer manner in a way make the later scenes all the harder to watch as Burke makes her feel so tangible. In turn, she is absolutely heartbreaking in her moments immediately after the beating just creating this state of horrible pain and distress. This is the way Burke so meekly wants to avoid even talking about it as it is so harmful to her even beyond the immediate physical pain. Her big scene with Winstone is outstanding work in that she shows the strength of the woman, however, the strength comes really from such a place of stress and really despair. She conveys the real sense of what the relationship should mean to her against what it actually is to her in the moment.)

Creed-Miles - 4(The least of the leads, he is lead as well as I'd say the first half of the film is his story, but in no way is that an insult. He is very good in showing the man very much going along in this sort of daze of his state. This as he doesn't even think hard about the moments of joy or violence because he is just looking for the next time that he can shoot up and get high again. Creed-Miles though is effective in creating the articulated state of the man as just this unpleasant constant.)

Louis Morgan said...

Morse - 4.5(She's terrific in bringing the no-nonsense manner to the character that feels very honest in the way she is so to the point. Her performance consistently creates the sense of someone who has been through so much of everything that has gone on in the film already and has a sense of it. Morse still shows properly that she is hurt just as much as anyone else in seeing what happens to her son and daughter, but the way she portrays this devastation speaks towards this sort of thick skin to someone who has long been within this kind of world.)

Foreman - 3.5(Quite good in portraying the "tough guy" best friend who really is only good at facilitating toxic behavior by talking a big game at all times. He does find a bit of nuance actually in the scene where he tries to defend Ray when Ray is rightfully punched as proper toady in every sense, but his reactions to Ray's revealing story is terrific work.)

Oldman's direction I think speaks towards the likely influence of "Kitchen-sink" filmmakers, and I think Oldman's work here can be compared, without fault, to the like of someone like Mike Leigh. I'd say in a way Oldman's work is less refined, but in a way, the lack of refinement helps to create a particular feeling of honesty in the work. Oldman I think carefully avoids melodrama and theatrics consistently throughout, going for an extremely lived-in aesthetic. Oldman punctuates his scenes carefully, and I like that he doesn't really relish the pain. He shows it powerfully but he never pushes a moment harder than he needs to. For example, hearing the result on Burke's face, and her cries are enough, we don't need to see every hit to understand and feel the moment. Equally, though I think the club and at-home scenes are so good because Oldman makes them feel just real. Again in the way that there are moments of genuine joy, the way he handles the final scene, in particular, is stellar. This as he doesn't add a lot, he shows a potential loving family, ambiguous still, but he rightfully adds no need for extra dread or hope. It is just as they are which is just right for the truth of his material.

Louis Morgan said...

Matt:

Oldman's screenplay I'd say does show signs of a "first screenplay" in terms of the structure of the film where it does go from Billy's story then it goes to the married couple. That isn't very refined, but it goes to show that the strength of a film, even writing, isn't about having an airtight structure of it (though that can help particularly if the scenes are weaker), but sometimes just what is written is enough. Where Oldman excels even with the structure, or lack thereof, is creating such a real sense of these people in every conversation and interaction. He goes further though in making the whole world, no side friend, or person is just that, they instead build a little more in terms of giving you a real sense of these people. Additionally, the key moments of dialogue are absolute knockouts of writing with Winstone's and Burke's monologues. Both I think find such powerful truths to the situations while skirting obvious theatricality. They are dramatic monologues that cut deep, but they never for a moment feel less than the reality of these people. It is essential to mention that one break in terms of typical structure, the ellipses of the last scene is a brilliant stroke of writing because it shows the way this kind of life does just go on and how when it seems like things are final, that isn't always the case. He creates the perfect kind of ambiguity for that moment.

8000's:

I mean the fact that there isn't a great film made about the Alamo yet, or even a good one, does seem a bit strange, so it obviously a missed opportunity. I honestly think that might've been the ideal epic for Anthony Mann, just because I think he'd be more willing to make a more complex tale out of the story. Something I think is essential just because having the mix of characters is more than just icons would be needed. There are some of these ideas in Alamo, but they get mostly covered up for the main message that is perpetuated for the story, a message that you could still include even with a more complex story overall. It's a bigger shame as it seems the elements were more or less there in terms of the cast mostly and production design, but it did need a surer hand at the helm (though I actually don't think Wayne's direction is THAT horrible of a directorial debut, given that it is a debut at an epic scale).

Louis Morgan said...

Emi Grant:

I managed to watch the first episode which I thought was great, in its opening that was just fantastic with a great choice of song, to just getting right to in terms of setting the pieces for every character in the most intriguing and dynamic directions. I might be a little bit until I see the next episode and Cusack's review may also be delayed due to several annoying (though nonserious) events.

Shaggy:

Discounted Welles as he was an actor/director at the start of his film career and only considered those established as actors first, also feature releases only.

1. Night of the Hunter (Charles Laughton)
2. Henry V (Kenneth Branagh)
3. The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada (Tommy Lee Jones)
4. The Kid (Charlie Chaplin)
5. Henry V (Laurence Olivier)
6. This is Spinal Tap (Rob Reiner)
7. Sling Blade (Billy Bob Thornton)
8. Promising Young Woman (Emerald Fennell)
9. Nil By Mouth (Gary Oldman)
10. Frailty (Bill Paxton)

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

I'm not overly concerned because he's out of winning contention either way.
John Smith:

Well let's say a top ten (Although there certainly are more than 25 great moments in the doc), and #1 is a cheat as it is a series of moments.

1. Jordan taking it "personal"
2. Bird and Reggie Miller's very different reactions.
3. Recounting Steve Kerr's clutch moment
4. The final finals
5. Collecting Rodman
6. Jordan v. Isiah Thomas
7. Describing the Pistons's "Jordan Rules"
8. Father's Day win
9. "Yeah Okay" - Ron Harper
10. Olympic game "Trick"

Toxic Relationships (Stick with romantic, just a memorable set not necessarily the definitive set):

Vertigo
Badlands
Phantom Thread
Gone With the Wind
Sunset Boulevard
Double Indemnity
Gaslight
Happy Together
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Nil By Mouth

Robert MacFarlane said...

I saw Everything Everywhere All at Once.

Thinking this might be what Get Out and Fury Road was for me in those years. Gonna take a lot to dethrone it from #1.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis: Would Gilbert Gottfried be the best person to play Vizzini in 2010s The Princess Bride? Now that I've imagined it, I can't see any other candidates, really.

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Ford's direction in 3 Godfathers, as well as Hoch's cinematography.

Lucas Saavedra said...

Louis: your thoughts on the last episode of Winning Time, if you've seen it?

Luke Higham said...

Calvin: Is Hopper Lead or Supporting in Out Of The Blue.

Tim said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51NIQ0xx4aA

Louis: your thoughts on these scenes? you most likely haven't seen the movie, but may know the scene itself. But i think if you don't, it might actually be better

Louis Morgan said...

Second episode of Better Call Saul was also amazing, Seehorn MVP of both particularly with that ending (which managed to make me not mind the return of the worst characters of the series), but also have to mention Mando for amplifying the intensity of his scenes all the more with his performance. Love where every story-line seems to be going at the moment.

Calvin:

I mean looks very intriguing to say the least, and looks like it what Kore-eda does best in intimate family dramas, though like Like Father Like Son and Shoplifters dealing with a very atypical situation.

Ytrewq:

I don't know about the best, but certainly would've been an interesting choice.

8000's:

Ford's direction I'd say is largely straight forward Ford western direction for the most part. That is wholly efficient and to the point in just creating the westerns setting and general atmosphere of the film which is actually typically nearly comic. Where I think his direction goes further though is in the final moments of Wayne's journey, where things get to speak a bit more to the central allusions, and it becomes more stylized. There Ford's work is rather remarkable in creating this more biblical quality that he touches upon in a way that I rather like because he segues to in this kind of mythic nearly unexpected kind of fashion.

Hoch's cinematography is actually very similarly minded I would say in that sense. In that it is naturally vibrant work per the western with the right sense of place you'd expect, with enough grandeur and the like in the lighting and composition choices. Again though in the last act is where the film and Hoch mixes it up a bit to do something a little more unexpected and succeeds in being more dramatic in this approach.

Lucas:

I quite enjoyed the episode, and though I would've liked to have seen Burnham's take on Bird, I thought the full introduction of Bird was the proper payoff for all the build up we got. Also enjoyed the payoff in form of all the disparate elements of the Lakers coming together in their mutual exasperation towards the Celtics.

Aidan Pittman said...

Saw The Northman, which is absolutely wild and I really dug it for that. Didn't find it as enthralling as The Lighthouse but Eggers' abilities are still more than present here in how he brings that insanity to life.

Skarsgård - 5
Taylor-Joy - 4/4.5
Bang - 4
Kidman - 4
Hawke - 3
Novak - 4
Björk - 3
Dafoe - 3.5

Robert MacFarlane said...

According to Screentime Central, both Buscemi and Beale are above 40% in Death of Stalin.

Luke Higham said...

Saw The Northman yesterday. As with Eggers previous films, absolutely loved it. The direction is again impeccable and the cast is great from top to bottom.

Skarsgård - 5
Taylor-Joy - 4.5
Kidman - 4.5
Bang - 4
Hawke - 3.5
Novak - 3.5/4
Björk - 3.5
Dafoe - 3.5/4

BRAZINTERMA said...

What are Louis' TOP 10 Supporting Actress, Actress and Director predictions for 1997? My predictions:

SUPPORTING ACTRESS
10º Debbi Morgan - Eve's Bayou
9º Gwyneth Paltrow - Hard Eight
8º Sigourney Weaver - The Ice Storm
7º Heather Graham - Boogie Nights
6º Jurnee Smollett - Eve's Bayou
5º Joan Cusack - In & Out
4º Joan Cusack - Grosse Pointe Blank
3º Emily Watson - The Boxer
2º Sarah Polley - The Sweet Hereafter
1º Julianne Moore - Boogie Nights

LEAD ACTRESS
10º Joey Lauren Adams - Chasing Amy
9º Parker Posey - The House of Yes
8º Jodie Foster - Contact
7º Lynn Whitfield - Eve's Bayou
6º Katrin Cartlidge - Career Girls
5º Helen Hunt - As Good as it Gets
4º Helena Bonham Carter - The Wings of the Dove
3º Samantha Morton - Under the Skin
2º Kathy Burke - Nil By Mouth
1º Pam Grier - Jackie Brow

DIRECTOR
10º Gary Oldman - Nil By Mouth
9º David Lynch - Lost Highway
8º Peter Cattaneo - The Full Monty
7º Bruno Barreto - Four Days in September
6º Quentin Tarantino - Jackie Brown
5º Atom Egoyan - The Sweet Hereafter
4º Paul Thomas Anderson - Boogie Nights
3º Wong Kar-wai - Happy Together
2º Hayao Miyazaki - Princess Mononoke
1º Curtis Hanson - L.A. Confidential

Louis Morgan said...

Watched the Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent, which has very flimsy directing, flimsier editing, and everything that isn't Cage and Pascal's bromance is pretty bad. Although that bromance is a lot fun, anything else it tries, the action plot, the pseudo attempts at depth are complete failures....but I did enjoy what I enjoyed, again that's only what Cage and Pascal are doing.

Horgan - 2.5
Haddish - 2.5
Barinholtz - 2(Is there a film where he gives a good performance? Or at least a different performance?)
Mastronardi - 2.5
Harris - 2.5
Sheen - 2
Leon - 2.5

Will be Watching the Northman later this weekend.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Could I have your thoughts on this song from the 2008 film 'Race'? It's honestly my Best Original Song win for that year.

https://youtu.be/Xve5_f6QwY8

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Is Pascal Lead or Supporting.

Louis Morgan said...

Tim:

I don't know for some reason Carell being completely silly just never quite fully clicks for me in film.

Robert:

Yeah when seeing that I probably will move the two over when returning to 2017.

Tahmeed:

Well a sweet spirited song to be sure. Has just a nice gentle quality in its overall more ballad like overtures.

Luke:

It's a substantial role, but I think he's definitely supporting Cage in the scheme of the story.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Louis: I remember when I saw the movie, I thought “Wait, everyone on the blog thought those two were Supporting?”

Bryan L. said...

If I recall, the main argument at the time of The Death of Stalin reviews was that the perspective wavered too much for there to be a true focal point(s) amongst the characters. I guess it’s now another case solved by Screentime Central.

Matt Mustin said...

BRAZINTERNA: I think Polley is lead, actually.

Robert and Bryan: I never quite bought the supporting argument for them, really.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Same, the film is primarily about Beria and Khrushchev's machinations against each other, and the two get a lot more focus than every other 'player' so to speak.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your director and cast of The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent in 1970s, 1980s and 1990s.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Anonymous:Peter Sellers as Cage's equivalent in the 1970s would be interesting to see.

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on these clips with Kazuo Miyagawa and Yuharu Atsuta.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRyq5gNRF3U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0_iThToEzk

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

UWMT 1970's directed by Douglas Hickox:

The Actor: Vincent Price
The Fan: Peter Sellers

80's directed by Arthur Hiller:

The Actor: Marlon Brando
The Fan: Danny Aiello

90's directed by John Dahl:

The Actor: Dennis Hopper
The Fan: Nicolas Cage

Robert MacFarlane said...

The Northman is pretty easily my favorite Eggers.

Luke Higham said...

Robert: Any thoughts on the cast.

Marcus said...

Louis: Your favourite Method actors? (or those that use it for most of their performances)

Louis Morgan said...

I loved just about every bit of the Northman, and Eggers is now one of my top directors working. His ability to craft such lurid and distinct atmospheres for every one of his films is simply astonishing at this point. Can't wait to see the next world he will craft, as every one of his films has delivered a world I haven't seen in a film before, which is quite an achievement in itself. I adored this film that was both built structurally within expectation, but done in a way that certainly is wholly its own. My only minor quibble would be I think the "Hamlet's hesitation" could've been articulated a little better (I understood the why, I just think it could've been realized slightly more clearly.), but again my only minor quibble. I found the film absolutely captivating and exhilarating throughout.

Kidman - 4.5
Bang - 4
Taylor-Joy - 4.5
Hawke - 3.5
Björk - 4
Dafoe - 3.5
Sigurðsson - 3.5

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on the cast. Can't wait for Skarsgård's review.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: And assuming that it probably won't be in Oscars contention next year, thoughts on the cinematography, production design, costume design and Makeup & Hairstyling.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Lastly, did you re-watch The Batman on HBO Max. If so, is Pattinson being saved.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Apparently, Nosferatu's his next project. Might see another Dafoe collab though I'd like to see Nicolas Cage play the part tbh. Redemption for Vampire's Kiss.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Is anyone familiar with Skarsgård's work in Big Little Lies? I wasn't that impressed by his Succession performance as a Zuckerberg stand-in, so I'm glad to hear he's great in The Northman.

Luke Higham said...

Damn, 2022 has had one hell of a start.

Matt Mustin said...

Luke: Cage is doing his own Dracula movie with Renfield, and Eggers' Nosferatu is all but confirmed to be dead.

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

Well you can see why Miyagawa was a great cinematographer just in the intelligence in which he describes his technique, but also his ability to ascribe purpose to his choices within the film. You can garner from a real sense of the collaboration he shared with Mizoguchi and why they were such an impressive team. Also great tidbits on Mori finding his way with Mizoguchi's desires (which isn't surprising that he'd be the type who wants something very specific from his actors), and also just such wisdom in describing how lacking in visuals lesser television could be where indeed the only genuine info is conveyed through dialogue.

Atsuta on the other hand obviously describes some very different techniques though Ozu, in his own way, is as specific with his visual choices as Mizoguchi though just in a very different way. Although interesting to here Atsuta talk about it more almost as though he was very much working under Ozu's direction, where with Miyagawa speaks more so as a peer collaborator.

Marcus:

Well unfortunately the definition is a touch too broad at times, as many can fall under the banner though there are those who use tenets of it, while others who go full Day-Lewis.

Luke:

Well let's let anyone else who wants to see it first, so wait just a bit more first as one performance in particular requires much spoilage to properly talk about it.

I haven't re-watched The Batman yet, but I will sooner than later.

Well again give me some time to marinate on that. I also wouldn't say it has no chance in terms of techs given that Blaschke did get his nomination for The Lighthouse (And this is kinda his most accessible film....kind of).

Also it sounds like Eggers's next project is not clear, as there is talk of something set in the Elizabethan era, and then I guess maybe abandonment of Nosferatu and a Rasputin miniseries.

Tahmeed:

I have to say he probably is like the only actor who was miscast on Succession, as Skarsgård is a type that couldn't be further away from a Zuckerberg type just by natural presence. I think all his aloof dialogue would've probably been perfect coming out of Jesse Eisenberg (though I get why that would not have happened) but definitely an Eisenberg type.

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on this voice for Catwoman for the Japanese dub of Batman TAS?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmCHWqza4AU

Not gonna lie, it's kind of a perfect Japanese voice for her.

Also, for an Akira Kurosawa Batman, what do you think of Machiko Kyo for Catwoman? Mifune obviously has to be Batman.

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

Certainly hits the right marks of the sort of energetic femme fatale, playful, but with a certain edge is the ideal Catwoman.

I could see Kyo there, and in turn then Kagawa for Talia (her performance in Red Beard shows she had an intensity that she wasn't allowed to tap into frequently enough). And yes of Course Mifune as Batman, therefore Shimura as Gordon, Nakadai as the Joker, Yamazaki as the Riddler, Mori as Two-Face, and Daisuke Katō as The Penguin.

8000S said...

Louis: Also, Chishu Ryu for Alfred?

Bryan L. said...

Skarsgaard has been on the periphery of breaking out as a film actor for awhile now, with him appearing in movies but not fully making a mark yet. Seems like The Northman might do the trick.

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

Naturally.

Anonymous said...

Louis: If Pat Morita was still with us, do you think it'd make sense for Mr. Miyagi to have an actual presence on the show? I don't think he'd tolerate the 'feud' between Daniel and Johnny at all.

Anonymous said...

Louis: By show I mean Cobra Kai, of course.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Honestly I don't think you could have the show if Mr. Miyagi was around.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis: your cast for a British version of Better Call Saul.

Louis Morgan said...

Ytrewq:

Well with the Breaking Bad (UK) returning cast members of:

Saul: Peter Capaldi
Mike: Ray Winstone
Eladioesque: Ciaran Hinds
Gusesque: Mads Mikkelsen
Tucoesque: Burn Gorman
Hectoresque: Stephen Rea

And the new cast members of:

Laloesque: David O'Hara
Kim: Cara Seymour
Howard: Jeremy Northam
Nachoesque: Jonjo O'Neill
Charles: Tom Conti

Tim said...

i just saw a film called Hope Springs for the first time. David Frankel has often dissappointed me, especially because i do really like The Devil Wears Prada, but this one honestly is okay. Some odd moments regarding the soundtrack in the beginning, but other than that really enjoyable and more honest than one would maybe expect.

Tommy Lee Jones really surprised me, he kind of played against type, but was still very effective. Meryl Streep though ... played the dramatic moments well, but whenever she was supposed to be happy or giddy she just overdid it. There is a scene where she smiles happily that comes off as utterly creepy.


Streep - 2
Jones - 4
Carell - 3

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

And Forster is now a 5 :)
Loved all the updated reviews, Louis.

Luke Higham said...

Magnifique. :)

Calvin Law said...

Great re-review!

Louis: on the note of Jackie Brown, your thoughts on this scene? https://youtu.be/9-dChVJf51w

Louis Morgan said...

Thank you gentlemen.

Calvin:

I'll say on re-watch appreciated Jackson (who I think might give his most underrated performance, at least as his Tarantino collaborations go), and even De Niro all the more, where I think I got more of what he was going for as Louis as basically a guy who is half out of it most of the time. And this is a scene why, as you do get a sense of their earlier time together in the ease the two have of this friendship even in the strange circumstances they're talking about. Jackson is also great in articulating Ordell's ego as he outlines his various women with pride, but also essentially showing his downfall by surrounding himself with semi-incompetents, he can't quite trust.

Matt Mustin said...

Is Jackson's rating upgraded at all then?

Louis Morgan said...

Matt:

Yes, he's a strong 4.5 for me now.

Calvin Law said...

Glad to see it. I absolutely love Jackson’s performance in it and he strikes just the perfect balance between being hilarious and also very menacing. That scene is a great microcosm of it, as is their final scene together.

Marcus said...

Louis: Will you be rewatching The Apostle and The Sweet Hereafter, or are Duvall and Holm's ratings settled.

Louis Morgan said...

Calvin:

Agreed. Love every line delivery of Jackson's in that last scene with De Niro, especially "Our ass used to be beautiful", as while it is darkly funny, there is some genuine pathos in there for their friendship. Also have to say, given he claims his next film would be his last (Not that I believe that exactly), I'd love for it to be another adaptation as I think it could force Tarantino to change things up in the right way.

Marcus:

I'll be re-watching Sweet Hereafter for Greenwood's review anyways, I will try to re-watch the Apostle before I'm done with the year, but it will probably be during supporting.

8000S said...

Louis: I've recently read that by the end of WW2, Kurosawa had Setsuko Hara in mind for a Joan of Arc type of movie that he never got to make, although he would get to work with her in No Regrets of Our Youth and The Idiot.

He also supposedly wanted her for Kyo's role in Rashomon. Honestly, I can't imagine anyone but Kyo in that part.

Thoughts?

8000S said...

Louis: Also glad to see that Forster is now a 5 for Jackie Brown.

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

I mean any and all abandoned Kurosawa projects are fascinating, and Hara in such a role sure why not. In terms of her in Rashomon, Kyo was obviously perfect so I can't imagine anyone else in that role. Hara doesn't seem the first choice based on her other work, which is of course great in a very different way, but then again it isn't as though I saw her tested in a role then falter, so to hand wave the possibility wouldn't be quite right. I mean to go back to a earlier point if you had only seen Kyoko Kagawa's work in Sansho, The Bad Sleep Well and High and Low, you'd never think she could play a seductive psychopathic murderer, but she excelled at it in Red Beard, so untested you never know. And there might be an example of such a shift for Hara, I don't know, as like every prominent Japanese performer, despite watching a decent amount of classic Japanese cinema at this point, I've barely scratched the surface in terms of total output.

Matt Mustin said...

I watched Pompeii (2014). I think this is the kind of movie the phrase "guilty pleasure" was created for, because it's world-class stupid and quite bad, but perhaps because of those things I LOVED it.

Harington-2.5(The character is a copy of a copy of a copy and as such there's not much room for Harington to do anything with him, and he has no chemistry with his love interest (which is bad, because the romance is meant to be the center of the film), but I do think he has screen presence. Obviously used to much better effect as Jon Snow, though.)

Browning-1.5(A block of wood, and again, no chemistry at all with Harington.)

Akinnuoye-Agbaje-3.5(Honestly tempted to go to a 4 only because his last moments in the film are genuinely awesome.)

Sutherland-Wiseau (Absolutely hilarious and I loved everything he did. Unfortunately for him he's clearly supposed to be menacing, and BOY, is he ever not.)

Harris-2.5 (Wasted)

Pingue-1.5 (I guess he's supposed to be kinda like Peter Ustinov in Spartacus? Whatever, it doesn't work.)

Roiz-2 (Dull)

Oh, hi, Carrie-Anne Moss, are you in this? Oh, Ok, bye then.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Decided to rewatch Jackie Brown tonight myself, and I honestly had no idea what I was thinking when I thought 6 years ago that it wasn't one of Tarantino's best.

Grier - 5
Forster - 5
Jackson - 5
De Niro - 4 (everything he did clicked for me this time around)
Keaton - 4 (brings so much to what should basically be a throwaway role)
Fonda - 2.5
Bowen - 2.5
Tucker - 3

Calvin Law said...

Loved the Barry premiere, hilarious, also very tense and dark, and love the pace it's going along at. Thought everyone was on point, though I might go with Carrigan with episode MVP.

Tim said...

who do you think could have (as Sean Maguire) delivered the "one of the guys" aspect in contrast to Skarsgaard better? Chazz Palminteri maybe?

Luke Higham said...

Louis: On The Apostle, I wouldn't worry too much about re-editing Duvall's review at this moment in time. I think it's still decent as written.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis: what would you say are the best scenes of nominated 1997 lead actor performances except for Duvall?

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Loved the Barry premiere as well, so glad it's finally back. Carrigan and Winkler were dynamite.

Louis Morgan said...

Loved Barry's premiere though it's been so long I kind of forgot it was only a half hour. Fantastic episode though and impressive how it can still be so funny in such dark and intense situation, especially the final one. I think I'd go Winkler MVP, though everyone was great.

Tim:

Bill Murray or Michael Keaton, the latter who I think would've been kind of perfect for the part.

Ytrewq:

Well I don't have a fuzzy memory on Duvall, I'm sure even on re-watch my favorite scene of his would probably be either talking down Thornton or leaving at the end.

Damon: Actually probably his famous scene with Affleck.
Hoffman: Wanting credit.
Nicholson: Seeing his publisher.
Fonda: Facing the home invaders.

Matt Mustin said...

Fantastic Better Call Saul tonight. That's all for now.

Lucas Saavedra said...

Louis: what are your thoughts on the last episode of Winning Time and your MVP for the the first 8 episodes? My favorite of the cast so far would be Adrien Brody

Emi Grant said...

Another excellent episode for BCS. Hard-hitting stuff.

Calvin Law said...

Incredible episode. Dare I say it, perhaps one of my favourite BCS episodes ever. MVP...we know who it is.

Louis Morgan said...

Amazing Better Call Saul episode, and yes the MVP is obvious.

Lucas:

Another enjoyable episode, I think where the series does well is just articulating where everyone is coming from and finding what there is in the minor conflicts throughout around the attempt at the great achievement, particularly in terms of realizing the various dynamics, here I think doing quite well in the whole coaching hierarchy situation.

Probably between Brody and Reilly for me at the moment.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on The Last Of The Mohicans score.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

It doesn't make my top five because the most memorable bit of the score, "Promentory" the part that makes one say "That's a great score" is not original so I have to disqualify it. The rest of the score though is definitely good on its own terms, though the slightly more electronic I don't think fits as well, but still enough of this powerful sort of spiritual yet kind of rustic quality that befits the material so well.

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the voices of Sidney Poitier, Harry Belafonte, Juano Hernandez, Percy Rodriguez, Ossie Davis and Woody Strode.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Do you think Irrfan Khan would have been a good choice to play Gandhi in the 1990s/early 2000s?

8000S said...

Louis: Also, thoughts on this article?

https://www.sheilaomalley.com/?p=53880

Marcus said...

8000S: It's kind of difficult to view Wayne in the same light after finding out about his behaviour in the 1973 Oscars.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis:Is Kurt Russell 4.5 or 5 for Bone Tomahawk?

Luke Higham said...

He's a 4.5 for Louis.

Anonymous said...

Marcus that has been overstated (Dusted off to defend Will Smith, which a 50 years supposed off-screen incident to defend modern day action is odd to begin with), after all to say one was "going to assault" is already presumptuous unless their fist was little stopped from hitting someone. If say he got on stage as was about to strike that's different, but that's not what the claim is. It is something also that was just "claimed", not recorded. It comes from Littlefeather herself, who was giving a speech at the time, so it is not as though she would've been watching Wayne backstage, so whatever claim would be second hand knowledge. If there's evidence of Wayne attacking someone in public (let alone a woman), then the claim has some merit, but as is, it is hearsay at best.

Matt Mustin said...

That Oscars incident may or may not have happened, but Wayne was a despicable human being regardless of that

Louis Morgan said...

Tahmeed:

Yes I think he could've fit a certain area of his life.

8000's:

Sidney Poitier - (Weird comparison perhaps but actually William Shatner, in that both had a habit of the atypical emphasis, Poitier just did it a bit smoother.)

Belafonte - (Young, sweet and smooth, older, raspy though in a Nat King Cole sort of way.)

Rodriguez- (Just an intensely powerful voice.)

Davis - (An interesting off-beat kind of voice that had a natural character to it.)

Hernandez - (Naturally dignified sounding.)

Strode - (An interesting sort of straight forward voice though had this nice combination of softness and intensity like Charles Bronson actually.)

Didn't have time to read the whole thing, but from what I did read it seems to be in terms of his acting, part of the appeal was indeed in star presence, and the representative quality of a type. Although I would disagree to the extent of that his best performances did show an actual acting range within the romantic comedic lead who doesn't want to fight (The Quiet Man) or the deeply wounded violent man (The Searchers). Then his best work within his more expected presence "Liberty Valance" and "The Shootist" both exhibit emotional range, while also showing the power of that presence at its height.