Friday, 9 July 2021

Alternate Best Actor 2015: Jason Mitchell in Straight Outta Compton

Jason Mitchell did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying Eric "Eazy-E" Wright in Straight Outta Compton. 

Straight Outta Compton is a good biopic that follows the forming and fallout of the hip hop group N.W.A. 

Jason Mitchell plays the leading member of the group Eric Eazy-E, who I think has the most complex role in part because the man died before the production of the film, while also having nothing to do with the production of the film unlike Dr. Dre and Ice Cube, who were both producers of the film, played by Corey Hawkins and O'Shea Jackson Jr. (Ice Cube's real life son) in the film. Now that isn't to dismiss Hawkins or Jackson who both deliver strong performances that deliver the right charisma representative of their real life counterparts. Jackson is particularly impressive in evoking his old man's style and personality even beyond the ideal casting of himself. They are both good in presenting these versions of the men, which I wouldn't say are quite idealized but obviously the amount of negativity the filmmakers could display around them was limited to some degree. Eric Eazy-E on the other-hand was technically fair game, and in turn we get a particularly dynamic character as brought to life by Jason Mitchell. Mitchell carries himself in his first scene, where we see Eric working as a drug dealer, with, for the lack of a better word, the remarkable kind of swagger. This with just exuding a kind of confidence that is particularly notable, as his stature doesn't in itself create this, but he manages to carry himself with a dominating quality nonetheless. 

Mitchell's performance captures the right intensity in presence but also really the right id that defines the man's manner even away from his criminal activities and with the forming of the group. Mitchell carries himself with a consistent kind of energy and style within conveying that style of Eric. This as even when he is questioned about his lifestyle it is just with a smile of acceptance towards what he does. There is no reservation there, but in a certain sense Mitchell creates the sense of power of the man's personality because of that lack of hesitation. This same spirit though we see more productively in action as he becomes the front man for the group. Mitchell, as does Jackson and to certain extent Hawkins, bring a magnetic stage presence. What is particularly strong about their work is that they manage to extend it beyond just what we see of them off the stage. It is rather basically there most striking qualities amplified. With Mitchell, he owns every song, and every moment on stage with that swagger now used for a less dangerous purpose, or at least somewhat less dangerous purpose. This creating the right kind of "front man" power to his presence of someone seemingly wholly in charge of himself and most everyone around him. This naturally even creating the sense of Eric's ego growing, which the film naturally accentuates as a divide between him and his friends, amplified by their manager Jerry Heller (Paul Giamatti) who quickly plays favorites once they get big. 
 
I think the film actually works largely best in the early scenes of the rise of the group, particularly through through that magnetism in their stage performances, and the sense of camaraderie found in the chemistry between Mitchell, Jackson and Hawkins. It gets a little less engaging as it gets to the infighting caused by essentially their agents and other studio heads. Mitchell though to his credit doesn't go overboard in portraying the moments of intense ego in Eric as he feuds with the rest of the guy. It is rather well conveyed as the same type of dismissive bravado that we saw when he went face to face with a potentially violent fellow drug dealer. This making an essential later scene where he buries the hatchet with Ice Cube work. This as we just are granted that sense of camaraderie between the actors again, making it a short but poignant scene. Speaking of short but poignant, Eric finds himself diagnosed with AIDS and a short time to live. These scenes I think are just a touch rushed due to needing to cover all the characters' reactions, making the time devoted to Eric in this limited. Having said that, Mitchell is great in the scene of the diagnosis in just conveying the immediate heartbreak and disbelief over the situation. It's a powerful scene and makes Eric 'untimely death appropriately tragic even in its relative brevity. The few scenes Mitchell has within this context are pointed in showing just the immediate onset of grief as time is basically stolen from him without mercy. It is a remarkable end to what is otherwise a consistently strong and confident turn that brings to life every aspect explored within the film about Eric Eazy-E.

132 comments:

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the rest of the cast.

Michael McCarthy said...

I also love how Giamatti’s performance in this is basically the good version of the one he gave in the other 2015 music biopic he was in.

Matt Mustin said...

He's my favourite of the cast, but I'd give Hawkins and Jackson 4.5's as well.

Tim said...

your thoughts on this films screenplay?
Also, did you see the theatrical version or the Extended Cut (just out of curiosity, it doesn't change a lot about the overall impression one has about the movie or it's individual aspects)

Robert MacFarlane said...

A shame the dude torched his own career, he's a damn good actor.

Anonymous said...

What would you say is the top 10 "runs" of actresses giving consistently great performances?

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

I'd give him a 5. It's kind of funny that you mentioned that the living members of NWA got a more positive portrayal, because that was also one of my (many) issues with Bohemian Rhapsody.

Louis: I found another link for the AOT opening, could I get your thoughts on it?

https://youtu.be/LKP-vZvjbh8

Matt Mustin said...

I do have to mention that I liked this movie, but I think the screenplay nomination is a little weird.

Anonymous said...

Matt: Especially over The Hateful Eight.

Lucas Saavedra said...

Louis: your cast and director for a 1970's version of 'The Post'(2017)?

Calvin Law said...

Great performance, shame about the guy.

Anyone else watched Black Widow? I was really digging the first half or so then it just completely falls apart. Good central dynamic though.

Matthew Montada said...

Calvin: your ratings for the cast of Black Widow? Also, i plan on watching it this weekend hopefully.

Calvin Law said...

Johansson: 3.5
Pugh: 4
Harbour: 3.5
Weisz: 3 (wasted)
Winstone: 2.5
Fagbenle: 3

Acting was fine throughout, it's the writing and editing I had issues with in the second half specifically.

Matthew Montada said...

Calvin: what about your rating for Kurylenko?

Calvin Law said...

Matthew: She does virtually nothing in terms of acting.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Hawkins and Jackson are 4's for me.

Giamatti - 3.5(Indeed similar to his other musical biopic performance from 2015 though the megalomania angle is a bit more of a slow build. Giamatti is good actually by not giving it away right away, effectively seeming just like a supportive manager with a passion for the guys at first. He then gradually shows the selective choices of the man, and the more potent greed and ego of the man as the film goes on.)

Everyone else is good if technically somewhat underused.

Tim:

I've only seen the theatrical cut. The screenplay is an example of doing the straight forward musical biopic well. This as just crafting believable interactions within the development of the group. There is the occasional over tipping of the hand "Bye Felicia" scene of telegraphing the inspiration, but even that is never too overdone. What works best though is just the scenes of the guys interacting that feels a whole lot more honest than something like Bohemian Rhapsody. It falls a little bit into "Then this happens" structurally which I think weakens the third act because it can't quite juggle the balls efficiently enough between the guys. Still what helps it is its "then this happens" scenes are typically pretty well written in terms of conveying character through dialogue and the situation. Not a perfect screenplay, I also think it actually could've had more fun with the the other "minor" players in their stratosphere, but as the standard musical biopics go it is far better than most.

Tahmeed:

One of the most unintentionally hilarious scenes from the past few years is Roger Taylor and Brian May telling Freddie they need to go home at his party. As though as rock stars they have a 9 pm curfew or something.

Not quite sure the operatic mixed rock theme entirely works for me, though I would say its fine. Now this is one where I do have a vague knowledge of the show, just by osmosis, so I think I have mild understanding of the images presented for once, might take something away honestly from my usual experience with the anime intros you guys send my way.

Lucas:

Hmm. I'm thinking Alan J. Pakula.

Ben Bradlee: Jason Robards
Howard Simons: Martin Balsam
Ben Bagdikian: James Whitmore
Katherine Graham: Joan Fontaine
Robert McNamara: Gregory Peck
Daniel Ellsberg: Ben Gazzara

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Attack on Titan is probably the most Western anime currently airing, so there's no wonder it crossed over so well. It's pretty bereft of the typical tropes you might find elsewhere, so it's a pretty common 'gateway anime' so to speak.

Tim said...

there is one advantage the extended cut had for me (and even that might just be me remembering it wrong) In the scene where the police forbids them to perform Fuck Tha Police and they do it anyway. In the theatrical version, i had no idea what the hell was going on. They perform, and suddenly somebody starts shooting.
Whereas in the Extended Cut, we actually see people going right up to the stage holding up police badges before they start shooting. I'm pretty shure that was not in the first version

Anonymous said...

What is your top 10 Frasier episodes?

Michael McCarthy said...

Calvin: I also saw Black Widow, and I might go as low as a 1.5 for Winstone. I really couldn’t stand a thing he was doing.

Anonymous said...

What is your top 10 comedic film actresses?

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Walsh's direction for High Sierra and The Strawberry Blonde?

Mitchell Murray said...

Tahmeed: If "gateway" is refering to the first Anime one has watched - well, I'm a little disappointed that in my case, that was the first season of "Naruto".

I know throwing shade on the series got old a while back, but I struggle to see the greatness of a show that's so ill paced and structurally flawed.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Fuck yes, Messi finally has an international trophy.

Hoping for England to bring it home tonight as well.

Luke Higham said...

Tahmeed: Happy for him.

For the team yes, for the fans, they can fuck right off. Booing the German and Danish national anthems has made me support Italy unfortunately.

Anonymous said...

Luke, in your opinion, who’s the best football (soccer) player of all-time?

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: That's very difficult because Pele, Maradona, Ronaldo and Messi all have a claim to that title. If I had to pick 1, probably Pele due to hs 3 world cup wins, most goals scored and played in an era where South American club football was held in greater regard than it is today.

Luke Higham said...

By the way, I've nothing against England. If they win, great. If not, could care less. I've been heartbroken (2004, 2006, 2010) so many times over the years that I'm just not feeling the buzz as much as I would like to.

Also, Italy are by far the best team of the tournament in my opinion.

Shaggy Rogers said...

Hey guys
Say your Top 5 director, lead actress and supporting actress in 2016

Director:
1. Martin Scorsese - Silence
2. Makoto Shinkai - Your Name
3. Park Chan Wook - The Handmaiden
4. Denis Villeneuve - Arrival
5. Damien Chazelle - La La Land

Lead Actress
1. Isabelle Huppert - Elle
2. Amy Adams - Arrival
3. Kim Min hee - The Handmaiden
4. Natalie Portman – Jackie
5. Sonia Braga - Aquarius

Supporting Actress
1. Taraeh Alidoosti – The Salesman
2. Felicity Jones – A Monster Calls
3. Imogen Poots – Green Room
4. Lily Gladstone – Certain Women
5. Greta Gerwig – 20th Century Women

Robert MacFarlane said...

Shaggy:

Director

1. Scorsese for Silence
2. Jenkins for Moonlight
3. Shinkai for Your Name.
4. Larrain for Jackie
5. Villenueve for Arrival

Actress

1. Natalie Portman in Jackie
2. Annette Bening in 20th Century Women
3. Amy Adams in Arrival
4. Emma Stone in La La Land
5. Hailee Steinfeld in The Edge of Seventeen

Supporting Actress

1. Greta Gerwig in 20th Century Women
2. Lupita Nyong'o in Queen of Katwe
3. Zoey Deutch in Everybody Wants Some!!
4. Viola Davis in Fences
5. Felicity Jones in A Monster Calls

Louis Morgan said...

Watched Black Widow as well, actually really liked the first act, felt like a spiritual sequel to The Winter Soldier, felt the second act was a little too jokey at times, but still worked. Third act though was very clunky from some odd editing, to a lame villain, and some wonky effects at times. Didn't think it became bad, but I wish they could've gone for something lower key as bigger and louder does not mean better.

Johansson - 4
Pugh - 4
Harbour - 3.5
Fabenle - 2.5
Weisz - 3
Winstone - 1.5

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the cast.

Shaggy:

Director

1. Martin Scorcese- Silence
2. Makoto Shinkai- Your Name
3. Damien Chazelle- La La Land
4. Denis Villeneuve- Arrival
5. Taika Waititi- Hunt for the Wilderpeople

Actress

1. Emma Stone- La La Land
2. Amy Adams- Arrival
3. Isabelle Huppert- Elle
4. Hailee Steinfeld- The Edge of Seventeen
5. Anya Taylor-Joy- The Witch

Supporting Actress

1. Nicole Kidman- Lion
2. Taraeh Alidoosti- The Salesman
3. Viola Davis- Fences
4. Lupita Nyong'o in Queen of Katwe
5. Abbey Lee- The Neon Demon

Bryan L. said...

Shaggy:

Best Director

1. Martin Scorsese - Silence
2. Damien Chazelle - La La Land
3. Mel Gibson - Hacksaw Ridge
4. Taika Waititi - Hunt for The Wilderpeople
5. Denis Villenueve - Arrival

Best Actress

1. Natalie Portman - Jackie
2. Emma Stone - La La Land
3. Amy Adams - Arrival
4. Isabelle Huppert - Elle
5. Ruth Negga - Loving

Best Supporting Actress

1. Felicity Jones - A Monster Calls
2. Taraeh Alidoosti - The Salesman
3. Nicole Kidman - Leon
4. Jena Malone - The Neon Demon
5. Abbey Lee - The Neon Demon

Luke Higham said...

Perfectionist: It's his best work by a mile.

Bryan L. said...

Perfectionist: His performance definitely isn't getting the amount of respect it deserves. Then again, I don't think Silence as a whole has received its' full due yet.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

1. Ham Radio
2. Seat of Power
3. Author Author
4. My Coffee With Niles
5. Chess Pains
6. The Ski Lodge
7. Halloween
8. The Innkeepers
9. Are You Being Served?
10. Travels With Martin

Unknown:

1. Maggie Smith
2. Frances McDormand
3. Olivia Colman
4. Madeline Kahn
5. Diane Keaton
6. Irene Dunne
7. Claudette Colbert
8. Paulette Goddard
9. Cloris Leachman
10. Audrey Hepburn

8000's:

Raoul Walsh I'd say deserves more credit, that is more often given to Howard Hawks, as a particularly dynamic and efficient filmmaker. This with his notable ability to take on two very different films, genre wise, in the same year, and excels with both. Walsh's best work is marked by really a taut filmmaker, in that his storytelling really is notably efficient for the time, and he gets to the point without rushing. This being a strict understanding for story and character. This is true of both Blonde and High Sierra. Walsh is not a workman though even if his style isn't obvious. This is through his way of adapting himself to the material a la William Wyler. This in High Sierra he grants almost a kind mythic cursed tone to High Sierra, take the moody opening of Bogart's arrival or his final scenes. There's a quietly emotive quality of a man doomed in his fate that he accentuates through silence, setting and the overall mood. He doesn't ever allow the style to overwhelm his overall efficiency, but it beautifully compliments the work. This is against Strawberry Blonde, where he is notably a lot lighter, but is as good in the way he realizes a screwball comedy. This though in that he still pays attention to period detail and mood, even if he he keeps it light and the focus is more so on the interactions. His shooting of every Cagney/De Havilland scene is just wonderful work in terms of finding the comedy, charm and even a rather alluring quality. He never just simply does reaction shot reaction, or flat shot, he plays around with it, never to show off, but to keep the interactions dynamic and fluid. It is great work, and shows how to do a comedy of its ilk, which I'll contend is one of the very best of the era.

Perfectionist:

It does not, but Silence in general is a film I see so many talk about in such a disappointing way, which typically boils down to "but dis ain't a gangster movie", which I always found moronic anyways since Scorsese's always has had a varied filmography. It's a film that would've been widely declared a masterpiece in the 70's, but today honestly I think some who are exposed to it struggle to deal with a film that doesn't spoon feed you answers while asking real questions. I love the film so much anyways, and I'll gladly accept critical debate, however the typical criticism I see is the most brainless style "it's boring or slow" that even the critical takes are disappointing.

Louis Morgan said...

Tahmeed:

Johansson - (Shame in a way that this is her swansong as I fully feel she cracked the character entirely at this point. This being another confident though emotionally resonate turn from her worthy of mention along with her Endgame work. Interesting for me though she's fully turned from one of my least favorite popular actresses, to some one I am excited to see do next through her tenure as the character.)

Pugh - (Entirely unsurprising to me, though I'm glad she's getting the recognition she's deserved for her less mainstream performances. Makes do with the Russian accent while also just giving a properly charismatic and endearing performance. This is even giving her way too many joke lines total, yet I felt Pugh kept her head up even with those. Wonderful work and worthy as setting herself up as Johansson successor.)

Harbour - (Side note, they might've almost cracked the de-aging code, or perhaps Harbour and Weisz needing less of it might've helped. Either way his early scenes is strong work from Harbour in delivering on a real emotional heart. Afterwards he's mostly used for broader comedy, which he definitely delivers on consistently, going just over board enough with his accent, while also occasionally earning those brief glimpses of poignancy again.)

Fabenle - (Really rather forgettable, to the point I was like "this is really a guy who can get anything?"._

Weisz - (Almost entirely functional, but she does deliver on that function, and at least is able to hint at a bit more.)

Winstone - (The part as written is pretty lame, and really needed a better establishing scene that he gets. Winstone really doesn't help evoking Branagh in Tenet in mostly just accentuating sleaze with the accent that borders on goofy at times.)

Matt Mustin said...

The thing that really pisses me off about the Silence takes is that people didn't see it because of the subject matter and then saw The Irishman and went "Ugh, ANOTHER gangster movie?"

Luke Higham said...

Thank you for the kind words Perfectionist. :)

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Silence is strangely underrated when it comes to Scorsese flicks. I've seen more people tout The Irishman as his masterpiece of the 2010s- and while that's a great film too with a trio of powerhouse performances, there's no question to me which is the greater cinematic achievement.

Bryan L. said...

Louis: What do you think must've happened to Jim Bridger at the end of The Revenant? The main reason I ask is because I wish we had gotten a better conclusion to his mini-arc than the one we got.

Hugh Glass clarified that Bridger was deceived by Fitzgerald and was just following orders when he (Glass) made it back to home base. Glass also seemed to be well-respected by many people in the company, including Henry, so maybe Henry may have been well inclined to believe him.

Bryan L. said...

Louis: Also, your thoughts on the opening battle scene for the film?

One detail I like from there is how well it establishes a character trait for Fitzgerald (selfishness), with him running around just trying to secure the pelts.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: In a 2019 interview I found, Courtenay revealed that he was approached for a role that ended up winning an Oscar for the actor who played it.

I'm guessing he's talking about Darkest Hour, how do you think he'd have fared?

Robert MacFarlane said...

Tahmeed: More likely to be Beginners or Bridge of Spies

Matt Mustin said...

Yeah, definitely not Darkest Hour.

Louis Morgan said...

Bryan:

Became the famed mountain man I imagine.

I love the opening battle scene in terms of the orchestrated chaos of it all, particularly the opening of it where you experience the ambush like the guys, most of whom are slaughtered, along with seeing basically the survivalist methods of Glass and Fitzgerald, who are both good at it, but in very different ways. This while just seeing the whole sale slaughter of most.

Tahmeed:

Yeah, I think it was most likely Plummer's Beginners role, as that is the only recent winner in his age range.

Anonymous said...

Thoughts on the title song from Fame and "I Sing the Body Electric"?

Calvin Law said...

If Courtenay took on that role I wonder if he'd have gotten the Oscar. Most likely I think, cause he does have the similar veteran status.

Matt Mustin said...

Calvin: Possibly, but he's also not as widely known as Plummer, which was the main factor in him getting it I think.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your top 10 acting moments for Elle Fanning and Rebecca Hall.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Any roles in the past few years you'd cast Jennifer Jason Leigh in? She's mostly busy with 'Atypical' these days (which is a solid show and she's very good in it), but I'd love to see her in more films.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Just watched Sexy Beast. Overall it's a pretty intriguing piece of work that's also great at building the tension visible in scenes like Don's arrival (though he could be the most hilariously cartoonish character played by Ben Kingsley) and for example the whole inside state of Gal throughout the movie. A worthwile choice for fans of "can I still do it like I used to?" trope.

Ray Winstone-8/10 (cuz 1-5 scale is just too limiting for me)
Ben Kingsley-5/10
Ian McShane-7/10


Also Louis, assuming that they will ever make a Jeffrey Epstein biopic in the future, which actors can you see playing the main role?

Marcus said...

Ytrewq: I don't think that's happening any time in the near or distant future.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Marcus:

They already made a movie based on Marquis de Sade of all people and also The Assistant and soon also She Said, both unofficially about Weinstein. The thinly veiled one about JE at some point wouldn't be a pipe dream imo.

Louis Morgan said...

Calvin:

Always an interesting question as in terms of Oscars Courtenay was technically more "overdue" at the time, given he had 2 nominations, however outside of Britain I don't think he still has the same kind of generalized recognition Plummer had, and Plummer was almost entirely what the film was recognized for. Then again though, who else would've won? Von Sydow, and Nolte, are both just maybes, Hill and Branagh feel definite nos, I don't think Brooks happens still since the problem was Drive not being recognized more so than just Brooks. Maybe Beginners would've been Courtenay's full fledged international comeback/pseudo-breakout, I definitely could've seen since I personally think Courtenay likely would've been just as good, if not better, in the role.

Anonymous:

Both songs I feel are the "throw everything at the wall" songs in the film in terms of the scale and the "lets not hold anything back" in terms of the instrumentation. I do like the main song even if technically more dated in terms of the amount of synth used. Its lyrics actually being pretty strong despite being so obvious in terms of spelling out the theme of the film. Has a nice build though in terms of the different segues throughout the song from the instrumental section and punctuation of the "Remember" chorus.

My favorite song in the film though is the grand orchestral piece that is I Sing the Body Electric. This as more so the climactic emotional piece in terms of the use of basically the entire cast as this more kind of reflective piece. Similarly structured though I like the mixing of the voices here actually, with the verses being punctuated between the very intense instrumentation, which again is grand in a way I love. This though effectively mixing between rock and traditional orchestra to basically create this merging of styles that serves to be a proper climax for the film.

Anonymous

Fanning:

1. Final Breakdown - Ginger & Rosa
2. Finally conspiring with Velementov - The Great
3. The Dead - The Great
4. The Pool - The Neon Demon
5. Last talk with Peter - The Great
6. Torture - The Great
7. Refusing to sleep with Jamie - 20th Century Women
8. Last scene with Roy - Galveston
9. After the fashion show - The Neon Demon
10. Repent - Live By Night

Hall:

1. Questioning about the past - The Gift
2. Going Personal - Christine
3. Final fight with Borden - The Prestige
4. Therapy - Christine
5. Bullet Catch - The Prestige
6. Describing her kidnapping - The Town
7. Meeting Borden - The Prestige
8. The Event - Christine
9. Random confrontation - Vicky Cristina Barcelona
10. Fighting with her mother - Christine

Tahmeed:

Ytrewq:

Well I wouldn't recommend doing a biopic but a film that touches upon such a type in some way, Tom Noonan.

Calvin Law said...

Louis: If Duvall had, say, won the Oscar in 1979, do you think Courtenay would've won for The Dresser? Strikes me as a possibility too.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Given Courtenay and Duvall tied the Golden Globe for Best Drama Actor, I definitely think he was 2nd in the vote tally.

Tim said...

your thoughts on this scene?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0D_qFIiqLQ

Robert MacFarlane said...

Perfectionist_ad_1280: I say this as someone who think everyone who frequents the blog slightly overstates Jordan in Gettysburg (though that might be my misgivings about how the role was conceptualized): I'd prefer outside the box wins to generic sweeping-the-board wins. You're right that most blogs would choose Fiennes. So what? My choice for the year is Sam Neill in The Piano. No one agrees with that one. Personally, I'm glad I have a unique choice. I'm glad Louis will pick someone like Hoffman in 2004 (my Carradine love aside), Carlyle in 1999, Macfadyen in 1995, etc. It's more interesting.

Mitchell Murray said...

Everyone: Even if you aren't familiar with the games, what would be your thoughts on the following trailers for "Street Fighter X Tekken"? I find myself rewatching them every once and a while, namely because of how well done the animation and music choices are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLQ1aCOSQos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grlck4PpWpw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghzBQn6QI6s

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis's own unique choices for each year is what sold me on this blog. I can't think of any other critic who'd prefer Clift over Brando in Streetcar, or think that films like Back to the Future or The Princess Bride were the very best of their respective years aside from other typical fare that gets that recognition.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Perfectionist_ad_1280: Out of curiosity, who would have been your Actor and Supporting Actor wins from, say, 2000 onwards?

Robert MacFarlane said...

Here's mine, so you get a sense of my tastes

Actor:

2000: Guy Pearce in Memento
2001: Jake Gyllenhaal in Donnie Darko
2002: Daniel Day-Lewis in Gangs of New York
2003: Johnny Depp in Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl
2004: Jim Carrey in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
2005: Ray Winstone in The Proposition
2006: Leonardo DiCaprio in The Departed
2007: Casey Affleck in The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
2008: Brendan Gleeson in In Bruges
2009: Peter Capaldi in In the Loop
2010: Jesse Eisenberg in The Social Network
2011: Michael Shannon in Take Shelter
2012: Joaquin Phoenix in The Master
2013: Oscar Isaac in Inside Llewyn Davis
2014: Oscar Isaac in A Most Violent Year
2015: Michael Keaton in Spotlight
2016: Joel Edgerton in Loving
2017: Daniel Kaluuya in Get Out
2018: John C. Reilly in The Sisters Brothers
2019: Antonio Banderas in Pain and Glory
2020: Delroy Lindo in Da 5 Bloods

Supporting Actor:

2000: Joaquin Phoenix in The Yards
2001: Ian Holm in The Fellowship of the Ring
2002: Robin Williams in Insomnia
2003: Peter Sarsgaard in Shattered Glass
2004: David Carradine in Kill Bill Vol. 2
2005: Kevin Costner in The Upside of Anger
2006: Steve Carell in Little Miss Sunshine
2007: Sam Rockwell in The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
2008: Heath Ledger in The Dark Knight
2009: Christoph Waltz in Inglourious Basterds
2010: [NAME REDACTED] in The Social Network (probably going to change this one)
2011: Brad Pitt in The Tree of Life
2012: Tommy Lee Jones in Lincoln
2013: Barkhad Abdi in Captain Phillips
2014: Ethan Hawke in Boyhood
2015: Sylvester Stallone in Creed
2016: Mahershala Ali in Moonlight
2017: Mark Hamill in The Last Jedi
2018: Russell Hornsby in The Hate U Give
2019: Timothee Chalamet in Little Women
2020: Ben Mendelsohn in Babyteeth

Anonymous said...

What would you say is the top 10 most naturalistic actresses?

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

I'll drop mine too:

Actor

2000: Guy Pearce in Memento
2001: Gene Hackman in The Royal Tenenbaums
2002: Adrien Brody in The Pianist
2003: Russell Crowe in Master and Commander
2004: Tom Cruise in Collateral (although Carrey is a very close #2)
2005: Byung-hun Lee in A Bittersweet Life
2006: Christian Bale in The Prestige
2007: Casey Affleck in The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
2008: Brendan Gleeson/Colin Farrell in In Bruges (TIE)
2009: Sharlto Copley in District 9
2010: Jesse Eisenberg in The Social Network
2011: Ryan Gosling in Drive
2012: Mads Mikkelsen in The Hunt
2013: James McAvoy in Filth
2014: Jake Gyllenhaal in Nightcrawler
2015: Jacob Tremblay in Room
2016: Andrew Garfield in Silence
2017: Ryan Gosling in Blade Runner 2049
2018: Ryan Gosling in First Man
2019: Robert Pattinson in The Lighthouse
2020: Anthony Hopkins in The Father

Supporting Actor

2000: Takeshi Kitano in Battle Royale
2001: Paul Bettany in A Knight's Tale
2002: Daniel Day-Lewis in Gangs of New York
2003: Sean Astin in The Return of the King
2004: Willem Dafoe in The Life Aquatic
2005: Edward Norton in Kingdom of Heaven
2006: Michael Caine in Children of Men
2007: Timothy Dalton in Hot Fuzz
2008: Heath Ledger in The Dark Knight
2009: Christoph Waltz in Inglourious Basterds
2010: Ben Kingsley in Shutter Island
2011: Albert Brooks in Drive
2012: Christopher Walken in Seven Psychopaths
2013: Bill Nighy in About Time
2014: JK Simmons in Whiplash
2015: Nicholas Hoult in Mad Max: Fury Road
2016: Ben Foster in Hell or High Water
2017: Patrick Stewart in Logan
2018: Bill Heck in The Ballad of Buster Scruggs
2019: Al Pacino in The Irishman
2020: Paul Raci in Sound of Metal

Louis Morgan said...

Perfectionist:

0% chance on that one. Jordan gives one of my all time favorite supporting turns, though I do think Fiennes is great.

Calvin:

Yes, The Dresser clearly had support, a best picture nominee after all, it definitely wouldn't have been Conti, I don't think it would've been Caine, and Courtenay was the favored one between he and Finney. So yeah I think he would've won in that scenario.

Tim:

A great scene, again a shame the show completely fell apart as there are a lot of great scenes in the first four seasons. And here you can see how it really fell, this as there is so much more depth in the Hound here, than the one liner spewer he solely became upon his return. This moment isn't about revenge for his brother, it is rather the sadness related to having really no one in his life, and his own family being his greatest abuser. McCann is amazing in the scene in just the way he delivers "the worse thing was it was my brother who did it" is absolutely heartbreaking as you see the man really examining his sad life.

Anonymous:

1. Liv Ullmann
2. Sissy Spacek
3. Setsuko Hara
4. Nina Hoss
5. Elizabeth Hartman
6. Frances McDormand
7. Holly Hunter
8. Melinda Dillon
9. Patricia Neal
10. Teresa Wright

Anonymous said...

Conversely, What top 10 actresses do you think are best at giving mannered turns?

Anonymous said...

Thoughts on the screenplay of Lincoln?

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

1. Marion Cotillard
2. Geraldine Page
3. Emily Watson
4. Frances McDormand
5. Vivien Leigh
6. Lesley Manville
7. Glenda Jackson
8. Tilda Swinton
9. Naomi Watts
10. Cate Blanchett

Unknown:

First I'll start with the flaws, actually just one. The ending actually is superior as written, it is Spielberg who accentuated Lincoln's exit on his assassination both in terms of his long walk out and William Slade's prophetic glance, it is not so over the top in the screenplay. But the opening remains unneeded and out of place. This as you cut it off, the dream towards Lincoln dealing with his personal crisis would work beautifully. Instead we get the artificial scene of the African American soldier who speaks to much as the figure of a forced modern perspective rather than a natural depiction of a man of the period questioning the status quo. This as his manner is just a little *too* pointed that it rings false.

The rest of the screenplay though is greatness in crafting this detailed account of Lincoln's methods to legally end slavery, offering an entirely unique perspective into a figure that has been well covered in other films. This as it gets int the political nitty gritty effectively both in terms of the actual dog fight style proceedings, with terrific detail in covering the figures within their such as the factions within like the radical republicans. It shows really what compromises need to be made both politically even personally to try to get something done. From the smallest level of the men offering the appointments, to the battles in congress and Lincoln's own maneuvering in dealing with the different groups. This in addition though in crafting a potent portrait of Lincoln's own personal problems, which isn't the first time Lincoln has been humanized, but we get particularly remarkable detail of those struggles here. This while still granting, even with a largely isolated story, the sense of the overarching struggle related to the civil war. Kushner's screenplay manages to pull these materials together natural in a captivating examination of history that feel prescient, while not feeling forced to be so, other than the aforementioned scene.

Calvin Law said...

My god, The Underground Railroad and Small Axe casts completely snubbed but Lin Manuel Miranda, Evan Peters, and trench coat chess boy get in.

Anonymous said...

*Reads nominees*
*Sees Emily in Paris*
*Jumps in volcano*

Anonymous said...

Not Ingram and Brodie-Sangster getting in over Heller and Camp/Melling

Robert MacFarlane said...

lol just watch WandaVision win it all

Anonymous said...

One of the most baffling nods in Don Cheadle getting in for guest actor. There are so many ridolcous acting nods this year

Matt Mustin said...

Don Cheadle being nominated for Falcon and the Winter Soldier is mind-boggling.

Anonymous said...

Also so many guest actors got snubbed while Don Cheadle got nominated for a cameo. 🤦

Anonymous said...

Seeing as Hawke was snubbed, I'm seriously thinking Bettany might win this (Grant and McGregor were lazy namechecks, and nobody cared about their shows, whose only nominations above the line were for them, Odom Jr. and Miranda will probably split votes)
Meanwhile Bettany is in a Limited Series nominee that overperformed.
It's still weird that he's more likely to win than Olsen though.

Anonymous said...

Wandavision got three writing nominations and The Mandalorian got 2 writing nominations. lol

Anonymous said...

I mean, WandaVision did submit like, all but one of its episodes in Writing, so I kinda saw it coming

Matt Mustin said...

Also, Jessie Buckley should have been nominated, but you all know that.

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Louis Morgan said...

Well the Emmys always make the Oscars look great by comparison, this year it seems they might've upped the ante.

So ridiculous are they, it is hard to even get upset over, though the lack of Edgerton and Hawke for the sake of Miranda is more than a bit much.

Matt Mustin said...

Well, leave it to Mr. Cheadle himself to have the perfect reaction to his nomination. "I don't really get it either."

Matt Mustin said...

They seem to really love Giancarlo Esposito too.

Calvin Law said...

Cheadle's nomination leads me to believe that really, they don't watch the shows, they just vote for who they like.

Matt Mustin said...

Calvin: Yeah.

Calvin Law said...

Also, Farhadi's A HERO is getting raves out of Cannes and I could not be more excited. Obviously they love his films over there, but I'm even more hyped now.

Tim said...

your thoughts on Eberts Reviews of The Green Mile (especially the comparision he makes in the last two paragraphs there) and The Usual Suspects?

Anonymous said...

Remember when the emmys nominated Ellen Burstyn for a performance so short that the entire performance was shown in the nominee clip?

Calvin Law said...

Amazon really did The Underground Railroad dirty. Very few people I know have actually bothered to watch it because of its release all at once strategy rather than building up interest in it with weekly releases. The snub of its performances definitely has contributed to it. Honestly just can’t believe it.

Anonymous said...

Your top 20 Glenda Jackson acting moments?

Michael McCarthy said...

Calvin: They basically did to The Underground Railroad what the oscars did to Selma.

Calvin Law said...

Michael: Holy shit, you’re right. Ugh.

Anonymous said...

Also, they clearly watched The Queen's Gambit, but decided to go with Ingram instead of Johnston and Heller, and Brodie-Sangster instead of Camp (who got a SAG nomination!) and Melling????

Michael Patison said...

They did Underground Railroad really dirty. I forgive it all, though, because of the Ted Lasso haul.

Anonymous said...

It almost seemed like they only watched 4 limited series, Hamilton and then voted for The Underground Railroad in series and directing because of Barry Jenkins. It's telling the only nominees in directing and writing were those 6, and that other contenders like It's a Sin and Small Axe were completely (or, in Small Axe's case, a single cinematography nod) snubbed.

Louis Morgan said...

Calvin:

Yeah the Emmys clearly didn't watch it, but Amazon did it no favors by releasing it in such a way, as is very much NOT a show to be binged.

Tim:

Regarding his Green Mile review I entirely agree with it I think, and well written it is, as his reviews typically are. This just in terms of identifying the virtues of the piece, and correctly describing it as Dickensesque in terms of the detail granted via the length. I also agree of his description of film acting where it is indeed a collaborative effort in terms of what we are responding to in the final product.

His Usual Suspects review is pretty brief and if you break it down he really only lobs two maybe three criticism for the film he rates so lowly. The one and a half seemingly disliking the twist, though I think more so disliking the twisty nature of the film. I think that falls though into the question does plot matter? Or does how the film is around that plot? I'm come to believe it is the latter, and I really think Usual Suspects exists more so in the style of the unraveling than the actual importance of who everyone is or isn't.

The other criticism honestly is a little illogical, mind you I don't even love the film or anything, that calling the interrogation scenes monotonous while listing a long list of different moments, though saying they form a pattern, however I'd argue is the film really that long for such a complex pattern to become monotonous? I don't think so. Kind of a weird review honestly, just seems like Ebert didn't dig mainly for what it was, and that at times can be the most difficult think to verbalize in a way.

Calvin Law said...

3 writing nominations for Wanda/Vision is ridiculous.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: After Colman, McDormand and Hopkins's wins at BAFTAs and the Oscars, would you say the former have become the most important/accurate precursor for acting Oscars, as opposed to just being biased towards the Brits?

Also, on that note, how much do you think Mulligan's winning chances would have improved if she wasn't idiotically snubbed by the BAFTA committee?

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Perfectionist: My male acting wins for the 90s:

Lead Actor

1990: Jeremy Irons in Reversal of Fortune
1991: John Turturro in Barton Fink
1992: Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven
1993: Daniel Day-Lewis in The Age of Innocence
1994: Tim Robbins in The Shawshank Redemption
1995: Morgan Freeman in Seven
1996: William H. Macy in Fargo
1997: Guy Pearce in L.A. Confidential
1998: Edward Norton in American History X
1999: Richard Farnsworth in The Straight Story

Supporting Actor

1990: Joe Pesci in Goodfellas
1991: John Goodman in Barton Fink
1992: Gene Hackman in Unforgiven
1993: Ralph Fiennes in Schindler's List (although a rewatch of Gettysburg could give it to Jordan)
1994: Martin Landau in Ed Wood
1995: Angus Macfayden in Braveheart
1996: Edward Norton in Primal Fear
1997: Kevin Spacey in L.A. Confidential
1998: Billy Bob Thornton in A Simple Plan
1999: Alan Rickman in Galaxy Quest

Calvin Law said...

Liked the Loki finale enough especially for its main 'reveal', and overall I'd say I really dug the season overall, not flawless but a really strong blend of fun and gravitas I found lacking in the other series so far.

Cast Ranking:

1. Richard E. Grant
2. Tom Hiddleston
3. Sophia di Martino
4. *SPOILER*
5. Wunmi Mosaku
6. DeObia Oparei
7. Tara Strong
8. Gugu Mbatha-Raw
9. Sasha Lane
10. Jack Veal
11. Eugene Cordero

Mitchell Murray said...

Calvin: Rating and thoughts for Strong?

Side Note: This goes without saying for her, but someone whose voiced the likes of Raven, Harley Quinn and even a young Ben 10 has my admiration.

Razor said...

Calvin: I'm guessing Owen Wilson would be at #3?

Louis Morgan said...

Loki was easily my favorite of the Marvel shows. Not perfect, however by the far the most consistent in my view, particularly in terms of crafting a cohesive and forward moving narrative, which seems a little odd given it is the one dealing with multi-verses and time travel that should lend itself to be messier, but nonetheless it was.

My cast ranking:

1. Tom Hiddleston
2. Sophia Di Martino
3. Richard E. Grant
4. Owen Wilson
5. ?
6. Wunmi Mosaku
7. Tara Strong
8. Gugu Mbatha-Raw
9. DeObia Oparei
10. Jack Veal
11. Sasha Lane
12. Eugene Cordero

Tahmeed:

Yes, in close races in particular it can often be the deciding factor, like Alan Arkin and Tilda Swinton as well.

Yes I think that would've been possible, she just needed a slight tip I think for the "undecided voters" so to speak. I imagine though whatever the final total was, it was probably close.

Razor said...

Louis: Thoughts on the cast of Loki and the score.

Lezlie said...

Hey all! Haven't commented in years but I always read when I can :D

Is it just me who thought that a certain someone went maybe a tad bit too broad with their performance in the Loki finale?

Louis Morgan said...

Razor:

Hold off on that for a little bit.

Lezlie:

Well given my point of reference for that character is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em4nEE3U4qw

(Warning link is a spoiler)

I found that performer positively subtle, though I also found him entertaining anyways. I do expect that performance to be divisive.

8000S said...

Louis: Thoughts on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wrCxo_42eg

Anonymous said...

Finally saw Black Widow. The first two acts were good while the third was incredibly silly.

Johansson-4
Pugh-4
Harbour-3
Weisz-3
Fagbenle-2
Winstone-1

Shaggy Rogers said...

Hey Louis and guys!
Tell me your TOP10 of the best multiple story movies.
Some observations:
- The film cannot have a lead (whether individual or collective), all characters are supporting characters; and
- The plot must not revolve around more than 3 characters. So don't count: Pulp Fiction, Amores Perros (aka Love Dogs), Snatch, City of God and 21 Grams.

1. Magnolia
2. Lord of the Rings: Return Of The King
3. Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
4. Nashville
5. Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
6. Babel
7. American Graffiti
8. Grand Canyon
9. Traffic
10. Happiness

Anonymous said...

You once gave a listing of your favorite actors that are great at externalized and internalized acting and gave examples of 2 roles that highlight both.

Could you do the same for actresses?

Matt Mustin said...

I ADORED the Loki finale, and I loved the show overall.

Cast ranking

1. ??? (Possibly my favourite performance in the entire MCU, quite honestly. Loved every single thing they did.)
2. Owen Wilson (His best performance, I think)
3. Sophia Di Martino
4. Tom Hiddleston
5. Richard E. Grant
6. Tara Strong
7. Wunmi Mosaku
8. Sasha Lane
9. Gugu Mbatha-Raw
10. DeObia Oparei
11. Jack Veal
12. Eugene Cordero

Lezlie: Don't know how else it could've been played, to be honest.

Matt Mustin said...

Couple of notes on my ranking. Depending on the day, Grant and Hiddleston could swap places. Also, I feel conflicted about Gugu Mbatha-Raw because she's definitely not bad, but I'm a little confused as to why she played it the way she did.

Calvin Law said...

I thought Mbatha-Raw was fine, I just thought the role didn’t really utilise her talents properly.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Calvin: You mean like 90% of the roles she's gotten since her breakout year?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone here watched Secret Sunshine?

Jeon Do-yeon is always amazing but this is definitely her best performance. I thought Cotillard was undeniable for me in 2007 but I'm definitely considering giving her my win

Emi Grant said...

Unknown: I have. It's one of the two Lee Chang-Dong films I've actually liked, and Jeon Do-yeon is absolutely devastating on it. She was so good there I found her unrecognizable on some of her other roles, because she delivers so much with that performance.

I'm a little unfamiliar with many of the performances for Best Actress on 2007, but Jeon Do-yeon seems undeniable for me as well.

Calvin Law said...

Unknown: Yep, amazing film, amazing performance. I have her tied with Tang Wei now but honestly I should probably just go ahead and give her my win.

Robert: Yep!

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Should probably check out Secret Sunshine since Burning was one of my favorite films of 2018.

Calvin, Emi, Unknown (and anyone else who's seen the film): What rating would you guys give Song in that film?

Calvin Law said...

Tahmeed: A solid 4, he's good as always but the film is all about Jeon.

Emi Grant said...

I concur with Calvin. It's all about Jeon and Lee Chang-Dong's direction.

Luke Higham said...

Can we all agree that 2007 Lead Actress is gonna be amazing.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Because you have seen both, how would you compare Hamilton and John Adams in terms of how they cover similar historical material, and which one is more historically fair to those involved? Asking because I've heard Hamilton practically got the Thomas More treatment like in A Man for All Seasons/Wolf Hall.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Anonymous: Haven't seen John Adams, but Hamilton does have its fair share of artistic liberties while getting most things right about the man. For one, Miranda admitted he cut out most of his feud with John Adams because it's impossible to sympathize with him on that, and second, his position on slavery was a lot more complex than what was portrayed.

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

Always enjoy Dafoe in interviews, he has a low key enthusiasm towards acting that is rather infectious while managing to avoid any overly intense sense of pretense about it.

Anonymous:

Did I, or was that one for comic/dramatic performances?

Anonymous:

John Adams is the most fair. It is one of the most accurate historical series/films in general, with inaccuracies mostly being slight timeline things. John Adams doesn't shy away from the strengths or the weaknesses of the title characters, giving time to his achievements, while also showing his failings with things both politically like Alien and Sedition acts and personally regarding his relationship with his 2nd son.

Hamilton, for a musical/play, is actually pretty accurate with most of the liberties pertaining to natural dramatic choices in terms of limiting the amount of characters and only being able to cover so much. Having said that leaving his relationship with Adams is a natural choice for a narrative in following Hamilton, because one would most likely be on Adams's side in that situation, so in a sense it makes sense why Miranda essentially left it out. Although the show is obviously in Hamilton's corner, it doesn't go overboard in my mind, both in that it still does cover his faults, a sense of arrogance (though it is largely depicted as a sense of self-confidence) and his personal faults namely the Reynolds situation.

Now Hamilton in John Adams gets a pretty negative treatment, doesn't help that he's played by Rufus Sewell who usually plays villains, however I think it is more situational, in that his relationship with John Adams's administration makes him look at his worst, but it is also a situation where he was.

Bryan L. said...

Louis: Your 1980s, 1990s & 2000s cast/director for The Revenant.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Do you think Diggs actually made the choice to make Jefferson more likable than intended? Because as written, the show itself is pretty critical of him (although that might have more to do with the historical reevaluation of his character).

Also, could Burton go up for Becket? It's honestly a performance that has grown on me as one of the best portrayals of an entirely moral character, especially as a counterpoint to his work in Virginia Woolf.

Tim said...

your Joel Schumacher ranking?

Mitchell Murray said...

Random question: Is anyone here familiar with the "Clone Wars" series?

I'm about halfway through the first season (episode 14), and already finding it to be very well done and highly enjoyable.

Anonymous said...

Who would you cast as Jean Brodie in 1990s,2000s,and 2010s?

Mitchell Murray said...

Also, for those that are familiar, what would be your thoughts on the following rock songs?

Breaking Through - The Wreckage
From Heads Unworthy - Rise Against
This is the Planet Earth - Audionetwork (Julian Emery and Adam Noble)

Louis Morgan said...

Bryan:

The Revenant 1980's directed by Werner Herzog:

Hugh Glass: Harrison Ford
Fitzgerald: Klaus Kinski
Henry: Liam Neeson
Bridger: Tim Roth

The Revenant 1990's directed by Mel Gibson:

Hugh Glass: Mel Gibson
Fitzgerald: Willem Dafoe
Henry: Angus MacFadyen
Bridger: Christian Bale

The Revenant 2000's directed by Peter Weir:

Hugh Glass: Russell Crowe
Fitzgerald: Robert Carlyle
Henry: Damian Lewis
Bridger: Michael Pitt

Tahmeed:

Yes, I think Jefferson could've been as easily portrayed as smarmy as written, but instead Diggs charms you like a superstar, which I think was the right call.

Maybe.

Tim:

1. Phone Booth
2. The Lost Boys
3. Falling Down
4. Veronica Guerin
5. A Time To Kill
6. The Phantom of the Opera
7. The Client
8. Batman Forever
9. Flawless
10. Batman & Robin

Anonymous:

90's: Emily Watson
00's: Kate Winslet
10's: Emily Blunt