Friday 25 June 2021

Alternate Best Actor 2015: Géza Röhrig in Son of Saul

Géza Röhrig did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying Saul Ausländer in Son of Saul.
 
Son of Saul follows a concentration camp prisoner, who works cleaning the gas chamber, attempting to properly grant a funeral to one of its victims.

The film itself takes a literal forced perspective similar to the film Keane. This as much of the film is a reverse first person POV, though the film occasionally "cheats' the concept by showing more. Much of the film is either the face of the back of our protagonist with the rest of the narrow frame typically out of focus. Röhrig's performance therefore is an unusual challenge given his physical expression is so specific, while also being contained by the nature of the film given that his Saul is obviously attempting to survive his conditions, therefore is muted by nature. This is as we see from the opening of the film where we follow Saul as he walks aside an entry of new prisoners, and following them to their murder soon afterwards. Röhrig's expression in this sequence is almost fixed. This sort of state of his eyes almost like statue in the specificity of the man committing to his duties with this specific kind of detachment. Röhrig is effective in this expression both suggests the mundane nature of this to the man at this point, yet still conveys the horror of the experience nonetheless. This even in the way his face wavers so little suggests it almost be molded into place by pain. 

The amount of dialogue Saul has is almost as limited as his early expressions, this being a man of few words within his place, and even Röhrig's delivery again emphasizes the man's state of being a prisoner of mind as well as body. This as every word that comes is as a kind weak defeated whisper befitting a man where death is a threat and presence at all times. Röhrig's performance as the film goes on then becomes more so defined by subtle changes within that original fixed state. His performance becomes this wavering then of that as he goes through a sort of change in seeing the boy die that reminds him of his son. Röhrig's performance creates this hint of life upon Saul's brow as though there is something that has realized itself after being dormant in the state of petrified terror for so long. From here on his performance then is of having moments of a more human reaction in his endeavor for his "son's" burial. This as he seeks out a rabbit to perform the funeral. There is a bit more force in the man suddenly, a quiet sense of determination that just barely glints from his expression. He isn't quite powerful within that conviction but there is some sense of life to him as limited as that might be. This in turn seemingly making the horrors more realized again though as the man now more closely reacts them. 

This as we see Saul witness his attempt in turn gets his potential Rabbi killed, the horror of the moment being openly expressed if still withdrawn all the same. When facing more direct threat from the Nazi captors there is this shift in Röhrig's performance to this extreme passive note. The way he looks down and seems to diminish the slightest sense of a threat in order to avoid summary execution. The state similar to that of the beaten dog just cowering to avoid any further punishment, punishment that he has likely endured without mercy for some time. Röhrig's work maintain this kind of specific gradual emotive state. His performance works in crafting this state's variation that always remains limited, yet is justified within the limitation. He grants the sense of the man's state, the sense of the horror of his place, and the minor change through the scenario. This until the finale where we get a classic director's key change, as Saul smiles in a key moment, and I should be heartbroken, but I wasn't. Now I have to admit at this point the film came off as a strangely clinical exercise for me, despite the obvious power of the subject matter. The reason why, I can't immediately speak to. Perhaps it is the reverse POV, which perhaps is just slightly too narrowed, or perhaps it is the titular conceit, that sadly never was raised from that through the film itself, for me. Although this film has been praised as a masterpiece, I can only speak to my own experience of watching the film, which was filled with some clinical admiration, but far less emotional admiration. Is Röhrig to blame? I mean did feel far more invested in Damian Lewis's portrayal in Keane, that uses similar film-making techniques, and actually has a similar conceit. I don't quite think so, as Röhrig's work is all logical, and I think it is more so the film that oddly left me cold. Prepare for "Louis Bingo" as Röhrig's performance for me falls into the "Director's film" leading turn, that serves that vision, and is justified within that vision, even if that vision left me personally dispassionate. 

92 comments:

Luke Higham said...

Boy, thank god I changed my alternate request to Ben Mendelsohn when I did 5 years ago.

Louis: Thoughts on the direction.

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Stephen Patterson said...

1. Plummer
2. Dano
3. Mitchell
4. Rohrig
5. Munther

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

1. Plummer
2. Dano
3. Mitchell
4. Rohrig
5. Munther

Louis: Has Lewis gone up for Keane?

Mitchell Murray said...

1) Plummer
2) Dano
3) Mitchell
4) Rohrig
5) Munther

Calvin Law said...

Shame. I love this film a lot, but I get feeling left cold by it too.

1. Plummer
2. Dano
3. Mitchell
4. Munther
5. Rohrig

Anonymous said...

I'm surprised you listed Honey as one of your favorite characters since you don't care for the play or the performance.

Has your estimation gone up for either of those categories?

Robert MacFarlane said...

Louis: I remember you said even a decade ago that you found Ethan Hawke underrated, but by now would you say he’s become a “must watch” actor, even if it seems like the film will misfire?

Shaggy Rogers said...

Hey guys!
Tell us your ranks of 1980 nominees in each category:

Song
1. "Til It Happens to You" - The Hunting Ground
2. "Simple Song #3" - Youth
3. "Writing's on the Wall" - Spectre
4. "Manta Ray" - Racing Extinction
5. "Earned It" - Fifty Shades of Grey

Original Score
1. The Hateful Eight
2. Sicario
3. Carol
4. Bridge of Spies
5. Star Wars: The Force Awakens

Sound Mixing
1. Mad Max: Fury Road
2. The Revenant
3. Star Wars: The Force Awakens
4. Bridge of Spies
5. The Martian

Sound Editing
1. Mad Max: Fury Road
2. Sicario
3. The Revenant
4. Star Wars: The Force Awakens
5. The Martian

Editing
1. Mad Max: Fury Road
2. Star Wars: The Force Awakens
3. The Revenant
4. Spotlight
5. The Big Short

Visual Effects
1. Mad Max Fury Road
2. The Revenant
3. Ex Machina
4. Star Wars
5. The Martian

Makeup and Hairstyling
1. Mad Max
2. The Revenant
3. The 100-Year-Old Man Who Climbed Out of the Window and Disappeared

Costume
1. Carol
2. The Revenant
3. Mad Max: Fury Road
4. Cinderella
5. The Danish Girl

Production Design
1. Mad Max: Fury Road
2. Bridge of Spies
3. The Revenant
4. The Martian
5. The Danish Girl

Cinematography
1. The Revenant
2. Sicario
3. Mad Max: Fury Road
4. Carol
5. The Hateful Eight

Foreign Language Film
1. Embrace of the Serpent (Colombia)
2. Mustang (France)
3. A War (Denmark)
4. Theeb (Jordan)
5. Son of Saul (Hungary)

Animated Feature Film
1. Anomalisa
2. Boy and the World
3. Inside Out
4. When Marnie Was There
5. Shaun the Sheep Movie

Adapted Screenplay
1. Carol
2. Room
3. Brooklyn
4. The Martian
5. The Big Short

Original Screenplay
1. Ex Machina
2. Spotlight
3. Straight Outta Compton
4. Bridge of Spies
5. Inside Out

Supporting Actress
1. Jennifer Jason Leigh
2. Rooney Mara
3. Kate Winslet
4. Alicia Vikander
5. Rachel McAdams

Lead Actress
1. Charlotte Rampling
2. Cate Blanchett
3. Brie Larson
4. Saoirse Ronan
5. Jennifer Lawrence

Supporting Actor
1. Tom Hardy
2. Sylvester Stallone
3. Mark Rylance
4. Christian Bale
5. Mark Ruffalo

Lead Actor
1. Leonardo DiCaprio
2. Michael Fassbender
3. Bryan Cranston
4. Matt Damon
5. Eddie Redmayne (missed the opportunity Razzie, what a shame)

Director
1. George Miller
2. Alejandro G. Iñárritu
3. Lenny Abrahamson
4. Tom McCarthy
5. Adam McKay

Picture
1. Mad Max: Fury Road
2. The Revenant
3. Room
4. Spotlight
5. Bridge of Spies
6. The Martian
7. Brooklyn
8. The Big Short

And what are your ranks?

Shaggy Rogers said...

2015 damn! I forgot to take out 1980.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

The direction is the foundation of the film. Nemes's main choice being the forced POV, and honestly laying so much of the film on the sound design, which other than the opening "shower" scene didn't creative the level of immersion that I think was designed, in my view anyways. I honestly do think it might've benefited from a literal slight expansion of the frame, or at least limit the out of focus. This as in a way it became a exercise to me in the approach, rather than pulling me into Saul's perspective which I think was the intention. I honestly think the biggest mistake for me was in the writing clashing with the direction as I think if it was more so a "day in the life" of horrors, rather than trying to rig the plot element of the "son" as the crux. This as the main choice I think limits the emotional connection the plot choice demanded. Though again I think the overarching choice, while not necessarily a mistake in itself, I think could've had a more effective execution.

Tahmeed:

I mean he probably should.

Anonymous:

Not even remotely. I think the character has great potential in itself, I've previously noted my subjective rejection of the play which has nothing to do with Honey, and my problem with Dennis's work is entirely her performance.

Robert:

Yes, even in his "paycheck" films he always tries, and in his passion projects, he's always trying to do something interesting or unique.

Anonymous said...

Thoughts on Edward Albee and Tennessee Williams as playwrights?

Also is Juliette Binoche one of your top 10 actresses?

Emi Grant said...

1. Plummer
2. Dano
3. Mitchell
4. Munther
5. Rohrig

Mitchell Murray said...

Shaggy: My thoughts on the acting fields have been well engrained at this point, but I'll reiterate them here...

Actor:

1) Fassbender (5)
2) DiCaprio (5)
3) Damon (4)
4) Cranston (3.5)
5) Redmayne (1.5)

Actress:

1) Ronan (5)
2) Larson (4.5)
3) Blanchett (4.5)
4) Rampling (4, though she's the most likely to be upgraded)
5) Lawrence (3.5)

Supporting Actor:

1) Stallone (5)
2) Hardy (5)
3) Rylance (4.5)
4) Bale (3.5)
5) Ruffalo (2.5)

Supporting Actress:

1) Mara (5)
2) Lee (5)
3) Winslet (4)
4) McAdams (4)
5) Vikander (4)

Side note - Banks (Love and Mercy) would be placed above Winslet.

Matt Mustin said...

Louis: Do you think there will ever be a definitive film/series focused on George Washington? Of all the American historical figures, it seems weird that he doesn't have one yet.

Mitchell Murray said...

Matt: As far as casting for Washington, I think it will be incredibly hard to top David Morse. As far as a specific film or series - well, that would be a challenge in it's own right.

Tim said...

Shaggy: once again not seen 100% (there is not a single year where i have


Animated Feature:
2) Anomalisa
1) Inside Out


Visual Effects:
5) The Martian
4) The Force Awakens
3) The Revenant
2) Mad Max
1) Ex Machina


Sound Editing:
5) The Martian
4) Sicario
3) The Revenant
2) The Force Awakens
1) Mad Max


Sound Mixing:
5) Bridge of Spies
4) The Martian
3) The Force Awakens
2) Mad Max
1) The Revenant


Editing:
5) Spotlight
4) The Revenant
3) The Force Awakens
2) The Big Short
1) Mad Max


Score:
5) Bridge of Spies (mostly because i just do not remember a thing about it)
4) The Force Awakens
3) Carol
2) Sicario
1) The Hateful 8


Costume Design:
3) The Revenant
2) Carol
1) Mad Max



Make-Up:
2) Mad Max
1) The Revenant


Production Design:
4) The Revenant
3) Bridge of Spies
2) The Martian
1) Mad Max


Cinematography:
5) Carol
4) The Hateful 8
3) Mad Max
2) Sicario
1) The Revenant



Original Screenplay:
5) Spotlight
4) Bridge of Spies
3) Straight Outta Compton
2) Ex Machina
1) Inside Out


Adapted Screenplay:
4) The Martian
3) Carol
2) Room
1) The Big Short ( i guess i have to be the one nutball here who likes it)



Supporting Actress:
3) Rachel McAdams
2) Jennifer Jason Leigh
1) Rooney Mara



Supporting Actor:
5) Christian Bale
4) Mark Ruffalo
3) Sylvester Stallone
2) Mark Rylance
1) Tom Hardy



Lead Actress:
4) Jennifer Lawrence
3) Cate Blanchett
2) Brie Larson
1) Charlotte Rampling


Lead Actor:
2) Leonardo DiCaprio
1) Matt Damon
( i really should watch the other 3 some time ...)



Director:
5) Tom McCarthy
4) Lenny Abrahamson
3) Adam McKay
2) Alejandro Inarritu
1) George Miller




Picture:
7) Spotlight
6) Bridge of Spies
5) The Martian
4) The Big Short
3) Room
2) The Revenant
1) Mad Max Fury Road

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Tim: Surprised to see The Big Short above.... all those films, but glad we have the same #1.

Louis Morgan said...

Matt:

Well it is doubtful they'll make one today, due to his slave holdings, though his relationship with that, which was complex, would actually be ideal for a nuanced look at history that rarely is a simple good vs evil narrative.

Historically though I have no idea honestly. I guess perhaps because it would demand a considerable budget, as to depict his life should depict much warfare, and Revolutionary War films were never favored (though well made material on the subject usually do well enough, just ask Hamilton).

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: I don't think anyone's touching Jefferson either, although that's for very good reasons as well.

Louis Morgan said...

Tahmeed:

Yeah Jefferson's 100% no chance, though I think you could do Washington without compromising history, it would just take a talented creative team.

Anonymous said...

Louis who would you cast as every US president without reprises?

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Anonymous: Would love to see Clint Eastwood play Biden.

Mitchell Murray said...

To Louis' point about good vs evil narratives in history, I think a prime example of that is LBJ...

He was a man who bullied and strong armed his way through every interaction, whose uncouth behaviour bordered on harressment, and who was - in the words of Biographics' Simon Whistler - "a prize winning asshole". At the same time, however, he truly devoted himself to those he favoured, and his domineering temperment helped a lot of civil rights legislature to be passed into law. From what I've researched, it would be very difficult to label him as wholly good or bad; Honestly, he seemed to be a dispacable man who still accomplished a number of good things, and that's something not many films or series have/could fully explore.

Mitchell Murray said...

Incidently, if anyone here hasn't heard of "Biographics", its a very good history channel on youtube. I'd greatly reccomend seeking it out, as it covers pretty much every figure/time period/event you could think of.

Here's a link to their video on LBJ:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBb9zMEoRHY

Michael Patison said...

1. Christopher Plummer
2. Paul Dano
3. Jason Mitchell
4. Geza Rohrig
5. Ulrik Munther

Michael Patison said...

I think LBJ is odd. To start, he never would've gotten anywhere if not for vote-rigging in his first Senate election. He was, for lack of a better term, a bastard. It's possible, however, this was not because he was a bad or mean guy, but because he knew how his stature and demeanor could be used to bend his political adversaries to his will. Does that make him bad? Maybe.

I also think that to say he did "good things" is an understatement. There's considerable argument to be made that he presided over the single most socially progressive administration of the century, and one which is possibly only second the FDR's in its economic progressiveness.

Cards of the table, tough: I'm a Texan.

Mitchell Murray said...

Michael: I just find LBJ endlessly fascinating because there's such a contrast between how he acted personally, and what he ended up doing culturally. From what I've gathered, I find he was as unquestionably loud, crass and uncomfortable to be around as he was ambitous, devoted and empathetic towards the impoverished.

Again, the video I linked above is a good synopsis of his life/character.

Mitchell Murray said...

Also, let me offer another understatement that I'm sure every history buff here could attest too...1960's America was a god damn s*it show.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Hmm...

George Washington: Mathias Schoenaerts
John Adams: Alfred Molina (PSH would've been ideal)
Thomas Jefferson: Ryan Gosling
James Madison: Stephen Dillane
James Monroe: Richard E. Grant
John Quincey Adams: David Warner
Andrew Jackson: James Woods
Martin Van Buren: Jeroen Krabbe
William Henry Harrison: William H. Macy
John Tyler: Tom Noonan
James Polk: Cillian Murphy
Zachary Taylor: W. Earl Brown
Millard Fillmore: Rory Cochrane
Franklin Pierce: John Cusack
James Buchanan: Jim Broadbent
Abraham Lincoln: Liev Schreiber
Andrew Johnson: Oliver Platt
Ulysses S. Grant: Joaquin Phoenix
Rutherford B. Hayes: Nick Offerman
James A. Garfield: Chris O'Dowd
Chester A. Arthur: Angus Sampson
Grover Cleveland: James Cosmo
Benjamin Harrison: Brian Cox
William McKinley: Jim Carter
Theodore Roosevelt (Young): Robert Pattinson
William Howard Taft: Ian McNiece
Woodrow Wilson: William Hurt
Warren G. Harding: Bill Murray
Calvin Coolidge: Clark Gregg
Herbert Hoover: Ted Levine
Frank D. Roosevelt: Tom Hanks
Harry Truman: Colin Hanks
Dwight D. Eisenhower: Mark Rylance
John F. Kennedy: Chris Pine
Lyndon B. Johnson: James Cromwell
Richard Nixon: Willem Dafoe
Gerald Ford: John Carroll Lynch
Jimmy Carter: Billy Crudup
Ronald Reagan: Kevin Kline
George H. W. Bush: Richard Jenkins
Bill Clinton: Sam Rockwell
George W. Bush: Steve Zahn
Barack Obama: Daveed Diggs
Donald Trump: Michael McKean
Joe Biden: Sam Waterston

Robert MacFarlane said...

I'll say this: I really, really wish Biden would show some LBJ-level arm-twisting right about now in regards to two insubordinate idiots ruining everything.

Bryan L. said...

Nick Offerman playing anyone named “Rutherford” just seems right.

Robert MacFarlane said...

I actually think Ehrenreich could be a good JFK.

Calvin Law said...

That upcoming biopic of Reagan with Dennis Quaid is going to be hellish.

Anonymous said...

I dont see the moral complexity of it at all, Washington was a slave owner and did close to nothing about it in his life.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Looking upon his personal history with a completely modern perspective will likely lead one to that conclusion without historical context. And it is easy to feel morally superior yourself, as one who was not born within a system was slavery was the norm of that society, ingrained into your ideals and was tied directly towards your own financial livelihood. We'd all like to believe ourselves to have been a John Adams, who was a outlier not the norm in terms of bluntly showing his opposition to abhorrent practice at the time, but we have no way of knowing that. Washington's view of slavery did weigh on him over time, to what was a progressive act (at the the time) for a slave owner in his releasing of his slaves at his death and his financial support for them as well. It is totally fair to say that was not enough, or was too little too late, but for context in the time it grants more complexity to the issue than he was just someone who owned slaves and loved it. Nor was he a Thomas Jefferson who made grand statements about slavery, but totally hypocritically never took any action to free his own slaves.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

A little off-topic, but I got my F1 visa to the US approved today :). Will be starting uni in August hopefully.

Tim said...

Congrats, Tahmeed!

Tim said...

Louis: your thoughts on this scene?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Iy8J5YjV0

Bryan L. said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the screenplay, direction and production design for The Hateful Eight.

Anonymous said...

Why do you think Montgomery Clift is kind of forgotten in pop culture when compared to Brando and Dean?

Mitchell Murray said...

Tahmeed: Great to hear!

Random question, by the way - What would be some of your favourite Anime characters of the shows you've seen? Here's some that I could mention in no specific order...

Mob and Reigen - Mob Psycho 100
Edward and Alphonse - FMA: 2003 Series
The 4 principle leads - Yu Yu Hakusho
Killua - Hunter X Hunter

Thomas said...

1. Plummer
2. Dano
3. Mitchell
4. Munther
5. Rohrig

Louis: Could you delete the previous comment.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Thanks Tim and Mitchell :)

Mitchell: Here are some of my favorite anime characters-

Elric brothers and Roy Mustang- FMA and FMAB
Korosensei- Assassination Classroom
L- Death Note
Mob/Reigen- Mob Psycho 100
Vegeta and Piccolo- DBZ/DBZA
Mashiro/Takagi- Bakuman
Makishima- Psycho-pass
Ryuji- Toradora!

Anonymous said...

Luke: If the second review is either Courtenay or Hardy, are we still allowed to change predictions?

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: I think so.

And congrats Tahmeed. I hope you have great success for the next few years.

Louis Morgan said...

Tim:

Face off is such an insane movie, and it truly isn't a proper 90's action picture if you don't have an actor treating it like the greatest drama (Joan Collins). This even against Cage and Travolta being totally insane, which Cage does better, and you can see that here. It isn't totally "clean" but the fact that he so goes for it, is something in itself.

Bryan:

I was planning on giving it a re-watch during this time, so hold on.

Anonymous:

For two reasons. One is he didn't have the same longevity, with a resurgence like Brando, but his tragic demise was also drawn out as compared to Dean. He was too old to be recognized as an icon dying young, but was too young to find the full respect in his lifetime. He was slightly before his time, where Brando and Dean hit right at their time.

The other reason though is he never had a role that became embedded into pop culture, as Vito Corleone, Jim Stark, Stanley Kowalski, and to a lesser extent Terry Malloy have been, and remain as such. Private Prewitt is the closest, but even then he's overshadowed (in terms of pop culture consciousness) by the lovers on the beach. Although he was in films worthy of remaining in that consciousness, they simply never did, keeping him from doing so as well.

Tahmeed:

Congratulations.

Matt Mustin said...

It's weird about the lovers on the beach in From Here to Eternity, because that scene is deservedly famous, but I think that love story is the least interesting part of the film.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Thanks Luke and Louis.

And yeah, it is a shame that Clift doesn't get anywhere close to the credit he deserves. It's ridiculous how he was snubbed by that AFI list, when he was a better actor than most of the ones they picked.

Matt Mustin said...

Clift was a tremendously soulful actor.

Anonymous said...

Louis thoughts on the new Shang-Chi and Halloween Kills trailers?

Matt Mustin said...

The Shang-Chi trailer is why I don't watch trailers anymore.

Louis Morgan said...

Matt:

Very much agreed.

Anonymous:

I'll be honest with the second trailer it is really just Leung that is keeping my interest with the film, not that it looks bad or anything but it looks like a Marvel movie.

Halloween Kills looks pretty bad, just from that anyways. With further reflection on all the sequels, I really think there was enough juice in the idea for one great film, we got that...in 1978, now it is just silliness to extend ever diminishing returns. From what I can tell the film seems to entirely be, "Let's see what new creative ways Michael can kill people". Also, when watching the previous films, I hated how Laurie ran off once the fire trap set off, and based on how they wrote that character there it felt entirely unbelievable that she wouldn't wait to see the ashes. The fact that he survives because she didn't wait, only makes that choice even more ridiculous.

Mitchell Murray said...

Say what you will about the "Friday the 13th" franchise, but at least the better films of that series had a certain campy fun, as well as a gradual increase in production values (definitely in regards to the 2009 reboot).

The "Halloween" franchise, meanwhile, had a much better foundation with the original (and great) film, but has just been slowly draining the life out of it ever since. Most of the subsequent entries are just so boring and devoid of surprises, and even the 2018 reboot doesn't escape that sadly.

Mitchell Murray said...

On a more random note, I just finished season 3 of "My Hero Academia" and have just started watching the 2007 mini series "Afro Samurai".

I may also move onto "Psycho Pass" and the proceeding seasons of "Attack on Titan" rather soon.

Calvin Law said...

Congratulations Tahmeed!! That’s wonderful. Best of luck ahead.

Marcus said...

Louis: In your opinion, what separates the best of Marvel (like Civil War) from the rest of their aggressively passable efforts?

Also, on another note, how do you think the 2010s X Men and Deadpool films compare to Marvel's films?

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on these scenes from The Naked Spur.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA1pcNFRhXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQBrfPjwAfQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rVMT0xklto

Louis Morgan said...

Marcus:

I will preface that most, really if not all, MCU films diminish on re-watches for me by their nature, and it becomes the point that I never seek them out because of this. A better MCU film comes down to three things I think though.

1. Actual emotional stakes. All attempt this, but the strength of each decide the quality. As the more "tacked on" the element feels the less effective the film is overall. So for me the better films are Iron Man, Dr. Strange (Redemption arcs), Winter Soldier & Civil War (Cap/Bucky friendship/divided loyalty), Black Panther (Killmonger). Against the weakest Spider-men (Uhhh, being Iron Boy?), Captain Marvel (Learning to be awesome?), Ant-Man (Forced father/daughter conflict?) Even the first two Thors, which I think fail in a lot of ways, do resonate a bit more for me just because of the Thor/Loki dynamic.

2. The Jokes are actually funny. Hence why Pre-self aware GOTG is better than self-aware GOTG, or Thor Ragnarok because we get a boatload of Waititi goodness.

3. The action scenes matter, or at least have a build. I honestly fail to understand why creating the story within action isn't the norm, but so many Marvel action scenes (even in something like Endgame) are stuff stuff stuff stuff then it ends. This element actually is the rarest quality, and is mot present in the Winter Soldier, aka why it is my favorite MCU film.

Well there you have homogeneous product which are always never THAT bad (though the Spider-man Far From Home feels so hollow it does feel that bad to me despite not being incompetent in a more traditional sense.) again the heterogeneous product that goes from greater than any MCU film (Logan, Deadpool) to far worse than any (X-Men Apocalypse, probably Dark Phoenix, and New Mutants from the few bits I saw.) Comfort for a likely safe win, against the gamble for potential greatness, but also dire consequences. It's a tradeoff, and on the whole, I don't think either situation ends up being the perfect scenario, but I'd rather live in a world where both approaches exist.

Bryan L. said...

Louis: Oh for sure, in regards to The Hateful Eight.

Your updated top ten directed & acting scenes from the MCU?

Bryan L. said...

Tahmeed: Congrats mate!

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

I mean Ryan's amazing there, and Stewart delivers his best western turn...to the point I think I'm probably going into great detail on those scenes, for both of them....when I get back to 53.

Aidan Pittman said...

Tahmeed: Congrats!

Anonymous said...

Louis: Are you gonna watch the Loki series? Well I had to ask y'know.

Matt Mustin said...

Anonymous: I watched the first couple episodes of Loki (under influences that prevented me from fully appreciating them, so I'll start again sober) and I just have to say that I was not prepared for how amazing it is visually.

Matt Mustin said...

Louis: Wait, Stewart's best Western turn...including Liberty Valance?

Louis Morgan said...

Bryan:

Acted:

1. Thor talking to Rocket - Infinity War
2. Dad Talk - Spider-Man: Homecoming
3. Cap and Tony on the Accords - Civil War
4. Killmonger's vision - Black Panther
5. Drax without pretense - Guardians of the Galaxy
6. The Tape - Civil War
7. Loki revealing his plan - Thor
8. Meeting Howard - Avengers: Endgame
9. I am Iron Man - Iron Man
10. The Ancient one's final moments - Dr. Strange

Directed:

1. Elevator - Captain America: The Winter Soldier
2. Portals - Avengers: Endgame
3. Nick Fury Assassination attempt - Captain America: The Winter Soldier
4. Zola - Captain America: The Winter Soldier
5. "Star Spangled Man" - Captain America: The First Avenger
6. Killmonger entering the throne room - Black Panther
7. The Tape - Captain America: Civil War
8. Meeting the grand-master - Thor Ragnarok (Though Waititi's overall choices of emphasizing the comedy in the film, in his own style in general, is a generalized great directing choice.)
9. Dusting - Avengers: Infinity War
10. Thor arrives in Wakanda - Avengers: Infinity War

Matt:

Ahhh, yes forgot about that one for some reason, I think perhaps because he's playing a fish out of water in the west there, but yes that's technically his best western turn. Though the greatness of that film is in part how unique it is as a western, particularly for a Ford western.

Anonymous:

I've seen it so far, again not per my own volition, though so far I'm enjoying it the most out of the three Marvel shows, though I do have reservations.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Shiva Baby is honestly scarier than Hereditary

Calvin Law said...

Shiva Baby rules. My #2 of the year so far.

Mitchell Murray said...

Louis: Also, I've decided on a replacement for my request of Patrick Huard (Bon Cop, Bad Cop), and it's a performance I think is a safe bet; Someone who I've yet to see any major criticism of on this blog, someone with a rather unique screen presence, and someone who despite not being in his film very long, still ends up being a memorable aspect of it...

David Bowie in "The Prestige"

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Calvin, Bryan, Aidan: Thanks guys.

Omar Franini said...

1. Plummer
2. Dano
3. Mitchell
4. Röhrig
5. Munther

Bryan L. said...

Louis: Your ranking of the HBO original movies you’ve seen?

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Given their reputations, which 10 films have disappointed you the most during the bonus rounds as well as outright.

John Smith said...

1. Plummer
2. Munther
3. Dano
4. Mitchell
5. Rohrig

Anonymous said...

Louis: How do you reckon Strong beat out Cox for the Lead Actor Emmy? Don't get me wrong, they were both excellent, but Cox had the more awards friendly role and arguably a stronger submission ("Hunting" vs "This Is Not For Tears").

ruthiehenshallfan99 said...

Watched Nicholas Ray's Knock on Every Door. Starts out strong but never picks up and gets pretty preachy. Thankfully, Bogart makes it slightly more tolerable than it otherwise is.

Bogart: 3.5
John Derek: 1/1.5 (Sinks any and all hopes of this movie being good with how incredibly bland he is. Charisma vacuum to be sure.)
Macready: 3 (good enough. not much to say about him)
Allene Roberts: 2 (All of her scenes are with an even more bland Derek. I was gonna make an incredibly morbid joke, but that's honestly inappropriate)

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Finally got around to Bo Burnham's Inside, and yeah. Devastating stuff.

Lucas Saavedra said...

Louis:why did you remove the shot from High and Low from the background?

Robert MacFarlane said...

I watched Josie and the Pussycats, and let em tell you: Between that and A Knight’s Tale, audiences and critics didn’t know when they had a good thing on their hands. Also, Tom Hiddleston owes an enormous amount of royalties to Alan Cumming for how much his Loki emulates the latter’s performance here, hair style and approach combined.

Louis Morgan said...

Bryan:

1. The Sunset Limited
2. Citizen X
3. You Don't Know Jack
4. The Gathering Storm
5. Bad Education
6. Recount
7. The Life and Death of Peter Sellers
8. Behind the Candelabra
9. 61*
10. All the Way
11. Game Change
12. The Burning Season
13. Into the Storm
14. Phil Spector
15. Stalin
16. 7 Days in Hell
17. The Wizard of Lies
18. Conspiracy: The Trial of the Chicago 8
19. Clear History

Luke:

Again, at this point I try to set aside expectation with any film, to diminish potential disappointment. This as even something A Brighter Summer Day, might've been hurt slightly only because I heard "greatest of all time" talk about it, and even trying to separate that when finally viewing the film. I guess that would be a disappointment, but then again, I think it more so caused by the expectation, that I wasn't trying to create.

Anonymous:

The importance of submissions have severely decreased, if not ceased to matter, since the switch over to the popular vote rather than committee. Dinklage would never have won for Hardhome over Jonathan Banks for Five-O in the old system.

I think Strong won in part as a makeup for not recognizing him at all for season 1 (You know the year they nominated Kit "Muh Queen" Harington instead).

Lucas:

First time I noticed it was gone myself, sadly the software I use to edit the backgrounds has been glitchy and has been randomly cutting off the ends when I save.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on 61*, 7 Days in Hell, Conspiracy: The Trial of the Chicago 8 and Clear History with ratings/thoughts on the casts.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Yeah, Banks losing the Emmy that year still pisses me off. Dinklage didn't deserve most of his Emmys, although that is entirely on the writers rather than him.

Luke Higham said...

Tahmeed: 2 years on and I despise Benioff and Weiss.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Luke: I might have been feeling a bit too much schadenfreude when they got fired from their Star Wars gig.

Anonymous said...

What is your top 15 Nina Hoss acting moments?

Anonymous said...

Dinklage losing for season 6 when that was easily his best season after the show outpaced the books while winning for 5, 7 and 8 when he had nothing to do in them and was overshadowed by his co-stars will never not be funny.

Now if his four wins were for the first four season, that'd be pretty cool.

Mitchell Murray said...

Tahmeed: Thanks to your comment, I now have another German word to add to my vocabulary...which is currently about 10 or 12, to be honest.

Emi Grant said...

Remembering Banks losing for Five-O just straight up ruins my day...in spite of having watched all of Succession now and really liking it, I'm still pissy about BCS's Season 5 snubs.

Matt Mustin said...

They also consistently ignore Rhea Seehorn and only nominated Michael McKean for a guest spot, so I don't know what they're thinking with that show.

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8uTeCpBXTw

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Speaking of Conspiracy (Which I don't think came up with the list I was looking at for reference because of a BBC co-production factor), would be my actual #1.).

Anyway, 61 is basically an entertaining anecdote. Jane and Pepper are both fine in relatively limited roles. 7 Days in Hell isn't that funny, but everyone is fine in their little bits. Harington actually proves a little bit of a knack there by playing it so straight. Trial of the Chicago 8 isn't particularly compelling, everyone is fine in limited versions of the real people. I think that version was on perhaps the right idea, but I don't think it hit it either. Clear History is an odd not quite Curb Your Enthusiasm film for whatever reason. Typical bits from most, as I recall best parts were Michael Keaton being Keaton and Schreiber having some fun with a wacky accent.

Anonymous:

Hoss:

1. "Speak Low" - Phoenix
2. Fake Tattoo - Phoenix
3. Deciding to stay - Barbara
4. Not quite there - Phoenix
5. Looking for him - Phoenix
6. "random Search" - Barbara
7. Re-meeting her "husband" - Phoenix
8. End of her friend - Phoenix
9. Embrace for a goodbye - Barbara
10. After surgery - Phoenix
11. Suggestion for a "con" - Phoenix
12. Home visit - Barbara
13. Meeting with Reiser - Barbara
14. Cycling - Barbara
15. Planning - A Most Wanted Man

8000's:

A little silly though there is definitely a cool factor to hearing Conroy live action, while also quoting Hackman.