Saturday, 8 August 2026

Alternate Best Actor 1990: Al Pacino in The Godfather Part III

Al Pacino did not receive an Oscar nomination, despite being nominated for a Golden Globe, for portraying Michael Corleone in The Godfather Part III.

The Godfather Part III marks the only time Al Pacino did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying Michael Corleone despite the film’s rather considerable success with the academy despite its far less than glowing reception even at the time of its release. The film almost immediately reveals one of its fundamental flaws which is the characterization of Michael. We ended with Michael in the last film as the man who successfully destroyed all his enemies, yet alienated his entire family either entirely or into a cold submission and we saw the man fully in power yet wholly alone. Cut to this film he seems to have reasonably strong connections with his family, he’s making jokes at family functions, even his ex-wife Kay (Diane Keaton)’s reactions to him aren’t nearly as strong as you’d think they should be. This is not the man we were left with, or as Annie Wilkes might say to Michael’s terrified brother “He Didn't Get Out of the Cockadoodie Car!”. This sequel gives us something it never earned, and it doesn’t earn here. Yes you can say people change, people soften as they get older, but that’s bluntly a cheat, particularly when you never give any proper backstory to in any way explain these changes. Michael simply is a whole lot nicer and less cold, why? He just is. I will say this isn’t on Pacino, it is explicitly written this way, but it feels like such a waste, as to try to give where Michael was left in Godfather Part II a final reckoning could’ve been something special, which this film sadly is not. 

So Pacino’s stuck in a strange spot as Michael because he needs to suddenly portray the Michael he was in the earliest scenes of The Godfather but now is operating as the Don. Pacino does have a certain charm in moments, has charisma on screen obviously though it is unbelievably weird that he’s acting this way. Pacino though has an onscreen power, he does exude that power, but it is not the Michael we have known. It is something else, and in that something else Pacino does deliver in a general sense even in a disappointing sense. The aforementioned scene with Kay is another example of this where you have good acting from Keaton and Pacino in terms of really conveying the complicated history, however still what is written isn’t frankly extreme enough to where the two were left once again. You see old love, old frustrations but not really the old hatred that should be there. Again I do put it more on the writing as Pacino and Keaton have a great specific chemistry that just isn’t utilized perfectly. There’s probably one of the biggest wastes in Michael’s relationship with his children, both portrayed poorly but written just as poorly. Like why not get a real proper dynamic actor for Anthony, who truly challenges his dad about Fredo, instead of just seeming slightly upset, then let’s go swiftly towards the end. It lets Michael off the hook, and more so Pacino just presents Michael as either a slightly concerned or disappointed dad, not much more than that. 

A truly baffling element is in the character of Sonny’s illegitimate son Vincent (Andy Garcia) who everyone in the family thinks is awesome despite being a complete hothead who Michael embraces after biting a man’s ear like a lunatic. Pacino has good moments involving the relationship in presenting the quiet assertive wisdom particularly the scene where he talks about Sonny, where Pacino’s delivery captures an old burdened love as he switches to an impassioned warning. But all of this doesn’t add up into the why. Maybe because Vincent does things, albeit randomly, where Michael here, unlike the first two films, is frequently passive, which again could work if it was a point of the narrative, but it’s not. Instead we get Michael more so the slowly reacting mentor where in that role do we have what is probably the most remembered scene of the film, in that it has the one frequently quoted line from the film. The line being “Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.” The whole scene of Michael unraveling the plot is another non-Michael like scene given his calculations were far more internalized in the previous films. Pacino’s performance of the scene is entertaining though it is also far more modern Pacino than classic Michael, as he goes for the more overt in both his specific more outward intensity and his physical movements. One can say the moments depict his buildup to his diabetic attack before we get the attack however it looks far more to me like Pacino’s more grandiose style of performing that he became known for and is far cry from his original work as Michael. I won’t say it’s bad because it is remembered for a reason, but it is yet another aspect that doesn’t feel like a continuation of the character. 

The closest we get to this is when the Corleone all go to Italy to see Anthony’s first major Opera performance. In a moment that is initially a performative function related to his dealings with the Vatican Michael is challenged by a devoted Cardinal to confess his sins. Pacino is genuinely amazing in what is an amazing scene where he begins with this just nearly disinterested delivery of a man who has put himself separate from notions of sins or damnation as he tries to quantify his reasoning to ignore. When the Cardinal calmly persists though, Pacino’s portrayal of Michael confession is excellent in the way we get a little in each delivery, as he begins admitting to his killings almost matter of factly, before it becomes a bursting dam of the truth and his sorrow as he admits his complicity in the murder of his brother. Pacino delivers the real intensity of his shame as his whole manner is a man facing down into his shame and truly suffering as he speaks words that have seemingly been kept locked away for so many years. Although one can still argue maybe Michael would never feel remorse, but this scene at least realizes some honest potential of what came before. The same goes for his later scenes with Keaton, which I think logically they’d never really come to any terms, but Pacino and Keaton do find such a natural way into the combination of a stilted bitterness of separation and old affection between them. And within the finale we do get a strong singular moment as he witnesses the death of his daughter, where Pacino’s performance expresses the sheer uncontrollable grief in his reaction where Pacino presents it as a man barely being able to comprehend the reality of it all and just delivering a most primal scream. A moment that actually does wholly feel like Michael as one bit of consistency since he did love for his kids…albeit in his own way. These moments are highlights of the film and where Pacino does shine. He still doesn’t come close to his two performances but he makes use of the few good moments he’s given to work with. Pacino is not the problem with this film, he does what he can even when frankly Coppola is sabotaging him with so many wonky script choices. Pacino doesn't suddenly make it a good film but he’s trying to make something out of it. In the end it’s not a proper finale for Michael Corleone but Al Pacino delivers a good performance within that failure.  

105 comments:

Robert MacFarlane said...

Is Garcia still a 3? Because I thought he was just as awful as Sofia.

Louis Morgan said...

Apologies to anyone who wanted to re-predict the lineup, totally forgot Pacino was part of the Glover lineup, I'm afraid I got caught up in the 70's legacy sequels and wanted to finish the trifecta.

Robert:

No, re-watching it I was struggling to see much of value in his performance while noticing some really bad moments in there, particularly his initial reaction in the silent scream scene.

Robert MacFarlane said...

It made me appreciate what Caan was able to do as Sonny, because JESUS Garcia sucks at flying off the handle.

Matt Mustin said...

I don't know how good an actor Garcia actually is, honestly. I like him in Ocean's 11, but there he's entirely a foil to Clooney and the gang, which he does OK with. But like he's meant to be overshadowed there.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Always found Pacino very good here, if decidedly not the Michael at the end of Part II (what were they thinking with his hair?). The moments you've singled out are terrific, but I can't even rewatch any individual scenes outside of them.

Michael Patison said...

Really need to rewatch the trilogy. I remember finding the meeting with the Cardinals interesting, but I was never pulled in by any single character, unlike the previous installments

Anonymous said...

Louis: Thoughts on this film's cast now that you've rewatched it?

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis: Your cast and director for a 1990s version of Godfather trilogy?

Luke Higham said...

It's been a long time since I've watched it in full but didn't care much for it's aesthetic. Didn't feel like it was set in the late 70s.

Also, this is what Michael was originally meant to look like before they went with the spiked haircut.
www.reddit.com/r/Godfather/comments/1d7yvss/part_iii_michael_corleone_original_design/

Tim said...

i actually like this movie a lot, but even i never liked Andy Garcia, his accent makes many of his lines almost unintelligible

Tim said...

your thoughts on this films Direction and Cinematography?

Perfectionist said...

Could Pattinson get double nominations at the Oscars. I think he could be making it in for both Primetime and Dune.... What an exciting actor man!

Matt Mustin said...

Perfectionist: The Odyssey is way more likely than Dune I think

Luke Higham said...

Regarding Pattinson, has anyone ever been reviewed 4 times in the same year.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Perfectionist: This has to be the best 10 year period any actor had in a while.

Tim said...

Matt: I think they should campaign for Leguizamo if they're smart, especially since Pattinson is having such a banger year, and i think he's definitely getting in for Primetime at this point

RatedRStar said...

The voice that Robert Pattinson is using in that trailer, is literally Chris Hansens voice, its incredible, I am worried that he will get a Jake Gyllenhaal snub where we will be screaming that he wasn't nominated for Primetime.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

I am glad Primetime seems to be more in the vein of Nightcrawler instead of being a celebration of Hansen. I am quite curious how they'll handle the Bill Conradt aspect of it, as the real man has never expressed an ounce of regret for it.

Matt Mustin said...

John Woo made me cry.
Bullet in the Head cast:
Leung-5
Cheung-5
Lee-3.5
Yam-4

Matt Mustin said...

Also not sure on the placement for Lee. I have him in Supporting right now. He's one of the three main friends, but it always feels like there's some distance between him and the other two.

Calvin Law said...

I have Lee in supporting as well, though the ending of the film does make me question my placement a bit (I also think he’s not quite on the level of those two but it’s more because he’s deliberately more of a one note character).

RatedRStar said...

So I requested Jacky Cheung, mostly because of his Best Actor nomination at the HK awards, but also his big breakdown where after seeing the photograph he turns into a monster, helped as well by the excellent horroresque direction.

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Robert MacFarlane said...

Can you review Patric next?

Anonymous said...

Louis : Your thoughts on this deleted scene https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNkbGTt91GQ

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on HOTD Season 3 and cast ranking.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Which version of Pygmalion's ending do you prefer, i.e. the original text by Shaw, or the more ambiguous/happy endings depicted in the '38 adaptation and My Fair Lady?

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on the Paper Tiger trailer.

Calvin Law said...

Tahmeed: The Shaw ending undoubtedly is very harsh and hard to pull off and I kind of understand why directors have been hesitant to do it, though personally have always thought the endings in the adaptations felt like a bit of a cheat to me, but I do think the Asquith does pull it off much better at least (and Leslie Howard quite artfully manages to at least allude to that darker edge whereas Rex Harrison just doesn't at all).

Calvin Law said...

Louis: what do you think is missing from Warlock to make it a great film? I just watched it and I don't know...the whole concept of deconstruction the western hero and the trio of characters in conflict with one another is so intriguing but it just never quite comes to life as it should, even though the performances are stellar. It's frustrating because it feels like it could've been an all-time great film in other hands.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Keaton - 3.5(Has good moments with Pacino as mentioned in my review, and her reactions at the end are also very remarkable. Unfortunately the film fails to use Kay just as it does so many other things.)

Shire - 4(The one character I would say does feel like a fully reasonable continuation of where we left her at the end of 2, where it makes sense that she would’ve become even more so supportive of Michael and part of the criminal empire. And I think Shire is good with the cutting moments she is given, though I have to admit her “see” gesture towards every time she supported Vincent I found unintentionally comical, though it’s more so because nothing in the story is actually showing us why Vincent should be so supported. Shire though I think brings the old sense of vulnerability with a new edge of someone getting her hands dirty and one of the few script things where it does feel completely on the right track with Shire certainly game.)

Wallach - 2.5(Yeah on re-watch what the hell is he doing in the early scenes? He’s fine when he becomes the evil don, albeit not terribly interesting either. Those early scenes though it is one thing to play genial or falsely genial but Wallach comes off like a fluffy teddy bear in the strangest way he’s just trying to be ever so kind in a way no one should believe.)

Mantegna - 3(One of the few forced errors is that Joe Spinell died before the film could’ve been made so the sense of history between him and Michael would've been far more interesting. Mantegna I don’t think is terribly great but I think he’s also perfectly serviceable as a pompous thug who pretends he’s not a thug. Nothing great but he really doesn’t get much other than to be, frankly rightly, offended that no one cares that Vincent is hassling him.)

Hamilton - (Sir I have met Tom Hagen, and you sir are no Tom Hagen.)

Fonda - 2.5(Her character seems out of a totally different movie, and the home invasion scene being out of a different script adds up. Anyway thankless role, which she’s fine but still totally thankless.)

Coppola - 1(The role is also bad but literally Coppola doesn’t have a single moment where she seems natural. Everything she says and does feels stilted in some way, particularly, and most painfully her final line delivery and her final physical acting of her fall that looks out of a bad high school production.)

Vallone - 3.5(Pretty excellent actually in both of his big scenes. Great facilitator in his scene with Pacino where he really finds such an artful combination of genuine disbelief, pain for the victims, even proper judgement for Michael, but still empathy for the man’s soul. His reaction then to his becoming pope is just a moving reaction of a humble man who still can even feel taken aback by how others genuinely appreciate him.)

D’Ambrosio - 2(Why is he such a non-entity? And performed by a non-entity?)

Louis Morgan said...

Tim:

Coppola’s direction I’d describe almost a TV director’s version of a followup episode to the visionary director of the first two, not that it’s like a tv movie, but just that he takes sort of the general vibes of the original two but reconstructed in a way that never feels like it is truly attempting to find new ground, like the job of the series director who is not a series creator or show runner. The use of score, cinematography, editing style,is all kind of that vibe. Although the production design is oddly lackluster particularly when the original so vibrantly crafted multiple decades this film struggles to capture one decade that wasn’t even that long before the film was made…though maybe that was the problem. It just goes along though with Coppola not really going for the next level the way he did with the first two films. In terms of those elements where he got closer, he gets closer but never as well. You get kind of the general feeling but not enough of it nor as remarkably. You also get complete breaks in the style to something entirely out of a generic action thriller from the period like in the home invasion scene with Vincent or the helicopter attack, neither scene feels The Godfather and Coppola direction does nothing to help with that. Even the Joey Zasa hit scene, which I think overall is better and the closest to what feels like a proper Godfather kill scene, has the use of the Uzi that always takes me out a little bit even if theoretically period appropriate, but at least the sense of the Italian celebration harkens at least minorly successfully to Vito’s first hit. Contrasting that though you have the final hits this time which go from fine but not remarkably of Al Neri killing the Cardinal or the totally ridiculous glasses kill, or the final attempted hit, where I think you do have an effective choice with the silent scream, however that came right after not only allowing one’s daughter to give that performance as she does but including it all in a way that did her no favors. I’ll end on a positive note, which is that Coppola’s best work is probably when he’s being the least flashy with certain interpersonal moments, namely how he stages the Cardinal scene, that’s great work without qualification, but such moments are few and far between.

It does feel like a cruel joke that after being hideously snubbed by the cinematography branch for the other two films Willis got a nomination for the least of his efforts. Willis is part of achieving the general vibe of the older films aforementioned as he delivers again on that specific low light look, albeit never nearly as dynamic but moments of his obvious skill do come up occasionally. At the same time he can’t make the helicopter scene look like a Godfather film any more than Coppola can and even his work becomes pretty generic looking in that scene. Contrasting that his work in the Zasa scene is far better with the lighting of the ceremony at the same time. He has some moments as the “prince of darkness” here but even those seem minor compared to what he did in I and II, and there is that inconsistency this time around.

Robert:

Sure.

Anonymous:

Rightfully deleted. I think just not having Vito and Michael talk gives you their distance initially without having this scene which I think actually tries to spell it out, just practically it also removes a little bit of Vito’s mysterious air in a way by openly saying the strangers line. The Genco scene particularly would’ve slowed down the film for a character who in the scheme of the film main film doesn't matter and I wouldn’t say the actor’s performance is *quite* there, though Brando is good in the scene to make it work just on its own emotional merits. It remains better as a deleted scene as a tidbit to the character who would be more prominent in II.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

The series I think continues to skirt consistent greatness despite hitting well on the spectacle and character elements are all good enough, even though certain moments I wish there was just a little more meat to them while also wishing certain moments didn’t feel like wheel turning for a character aspect that could take maybe 2 episodes that instead takes the whole season like Aemond taking the Harrenhal haunted house ride this time. Still even that I thought was decent albeit just a little thin. Rhaenyra’s arc felt just slightly rushed, not all rushed, and frankly was masterful compared to a certain heel turn at the end of GOT, it’s like 70% of the way there, which is enough to be good even though not great. Most of the aspects felt on that level are usually no lower, some definitely higher. It’s not a masterpiece show, but the flash delivers, and there is just enough beneath that flash to give something to care about.

1. Freddie Fox
2. Tom Glynn-Carney
3. Gayle Rankin
4. Phia Saban
5. James Norton
6. Steve Toussaint
7. Emma D’Arcy
8. Tom Bennett
9. Ewan Mitchell
10. Tommy Flanagan
11. Matthew Needham
12. Olivia Cooke
13. Phoebe Campbell
14. Jefferson Hall
15. Kurt Egyiawan
16. Kieran Bew
17. Amanda Collin
18. Benjamin Evan Ainsworth
19. Sinoyu Mizuno
20. Abubakar Salim
21. Matt Smith
22. Bethany Antonia
23. Clinton Liberty
24. Fabien Frankel
25. Dan Fogler
26. Abigail Thorn

Tahmeed:

I don’t think there’s a perfect ending because the Shaw ending I think has the problem of Freddie being such a non-entity of a character, even if the implication of some romance with Henry also makes no sense. Somewhere in between would probably be the most satisfying as a narrative ending that is also true to the nature of the piece, though I will agree with Calvin, how one pulls off the new ending also is important as yes Howard/Asquith’s version works far better due to the greater ambiguity allowed in his delivery and the overall direction.

Calvin:

I agree as the overall idea is so fascinating and the cast is game, and I do love the ending. I think maybe Dmytryk’s direction is a little straightforward and someone else could’ve really given a greater atmosphere, or just that the screenplay is almost there but just needed to push a little here or there to achieve unquestioned greatness.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on your top 10.

Lucas Saavedra said...

Louis: Could you also include your thoughts on Freddie Fox and Tom Bennett's performances in season 2 of HOTD on your thoughts on their performances?

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Samantha Morton's voice.

Matt Mustin said...

Cold Storage cast ratings:
Keery-4(There's just *something* about his screen presence)
Campbell-3.5
Bacon-3
Redgrave-2.5(Kind of a pointless role in the grand scheme of things)
Manville-3
Neeson-4(Thought he brought the perfect sardonic touch to this, which really sells so much of the black comedy, and is a nice contrast to Keery's sort of confused earnestness.)
Torchia-3
Heffernan-3.5
Spokes-2

Harris Marlowe said...

Anyone else here been watching the new season of Ted Lasso?

Perfectionist said...

That's some downgrade for Garcia lol. Either way, the top comment on this movie's letterboxd, is pretty much the perfect encapsulation of what it is.

Lucas Saavedra said...

Louis: Where would you rank Harry Collett, Ellora Torchia, Joplin Sibtain and Archie Barnes in your House of the Dragon season 3 cast ranking?

Shaggy Rogers said...

Michael Haneke has retired.

Maciej said...

RIP Tony Jay

Robert MacFarlane said...

Uh, Tony Jay died 20 years ago

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

What I'd give to have Tony Jay unleashing his voice on us for 20 years longer...

Maciej said...

Crap, got a news on facebook feed about his death. Guess I was not awakened enough to realize the date.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Louis: Did you watch X-Men 97 this year?

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Fox - (Interesting to see him go from two classic “shit heels” of the highest order in Slow Horses and The Great to here as maybe one of the most, or the most honorable character on the show, which complicating the greens by having a character with clear heroic qualities was a great choice. Fox in season 2 didn’t get to do too much however brought some nice undercurrents of these qualities even briefly as the man who speaks towards the ideals with genuine conviction if also this quiet awareness of how others fail to live up to them. In season 3 he runs with them bringing such a consistent power in just offering someone who isn’t all about himself and is trying to do the right thing in this constant struggle. Bringing such an earnest warmth with the moments with his nephew but also such a decided burdened urgency of a man who knows he’s in a losing scenario and is trying to find a way out, along with others. Fox finds a real power in creating such genuine complexity of the situation and was a consistent highlight by bringing it not as a man who doesn’t know any better, but rather in his nuanced reactions showing as a man who does know the nature of the world he is in by conveying the struggle to try to do the right thing even as it only puts him closer to danger.)

Glynn-Carney - (I’ve liked him up until this point and found him quite effective here as the lowly King so to speak in bringing that mess of a state of the man trying to still brandish his privilege but finding again and again that in his current situation no one really cares. Glynn-Carney brought a real power in those moments of the humbling and I liked even maybe some potential bits of depth to the man in certain moments of conveying so well the man needing to swallow his pride to survive. A quality he bottles up until the last episodes where he explodes with this increasingly gleeful mania which Glynn-Carney conveys almost as this sudden complete separation of reality of a man taking ownership of this surprising upswing in fortune that he can’t help but laugh and play into the insanity of it.)

Rankin - (Although certainly was effective in playing the creep witch note finds a lot to go with in the nuances she gets to play with this time around finding an interesting combination within moments of ambition and manipulation, but also these quiet scenes of more earnest desperation and maybe even a little warmth. Rankin makes the most of her final monologue in particular in bringing a real gravity towards a speech that could’ve sounded just a little silly however Ranking attaches genuine emotion to every bit of the explanation and manages to grant a reality to the fantastical element.)


Saban - (Where mostly she just needed to play the note of flighty in the previous two seasons, here she delivers a great deal in finding a real emotional nuance in creating the growing despair of her character. She’s particularly good in creating these moments within even her meek manner where she very much cuts through the truth of a moment, not so much because she has any power in the situation literally, but rather finds the power within embracing the certain hopelessness of believing in some sort of actual future. Saban finds a cutting quality in every moment where she just states the truth with the sense of a burden of the truth where the acceptance of it makes it something truly remarkable.)

Louis Morgan said...

Norton - (Norton utilizing his considerable talent for not an amazing role on paper but manages to make a meal out of it. Norton largely does so just through his considerable presence to deliver on just the larger power needed for the character with just a remarkable sneer he brings in the man loving getting the best of the larger force in his mind. Norton thought as naturally finding the certain petulance in his character’s very peculiar manner with smells and even his petulance towards his nephew. Norton not only manages to not fall into the obvious but manages to own these moments in a way to make them sing when such moments usually can be tiresome. Norton just brings such a potent edge to his work that he manages to elevate every little bit he gets.)

Toussaint - (Continues honestly as just the solid presence that his character is supposed to be consistently. This time is no different and offering just a notable impact in each moment he is granted to cut through the nonsense of others.)

D’Arcy - (A continuation of conveying the consistent emotional frustrations of power essentially, the jump again I think was almost there towards the heelish turn, and D’Arcy helped to round the edges off of the jump by bringing this almost misleading conviction not so much of someone who truly believes what they are saying rather they are saying it with this pressured need to believe it and sell themselves as something far beyond themselves.)

Bennett - (In both seasons an entertaining lout particularly in season 3 where I enjoyed the fact that he just plays him constantly as the idiotic drunkard who just wants to be able to drink with his buddies. Plays him well with a consistent simplicity that works as contrast to someone lacking in higher thought such as his downplay of the people he’s every betraying as “eh they're not that bad” as someone who truly doesn’t think things through. Something he delivers on even in the finale less so as this cunning plan but rather truly someone going “eh screw it who cares”.)

Mitchell - (Dealing with fairly repetitive material however I did like that he utilized the scenes to go from the cold calculating killer to this genuine emotional despondency of the boy just looking for some warmth from his mother. Finding enough balance between the creep basically and the boy just looking for the most meager affection.)

Flanagan - (Just having fun fittingly as the guy there for the blood and violence with his whole point being there to die in glorious battle. Flanagan has the right amount of fun with it but with a reasonable degree of expected presence fitting to the style of the series. Flanagan expectedly feels right at home in every regard and each of his brief appearances were most welcome.)

Lucas:

Collett and Barnes were both good with what they had but I didn’t rank them because they had so little to do. Torchia towards the bottom, Sibtain middle, bottom. The former very one note work I felt, Sibtain totally functional but not a deep role.

Robert:

Haven’t gotten to the last episode yet. But without having seen that I will say the season has felt consistently rushed, except for Apocalypse’s origin story, something that was evident to a degree with the Goblin Queen in season 1, however this time almost every episode felt like it was running through a storyline that definitely could’ve had more opportunities or complexities. Where season 1 gave breathing room, this season felt like it was trying to check one too many boxes as quickly as possible. Having said that there still had been plenty of good in there in terms of individual character moments, certain action set pieces and a lot of the visuals, but would’ve preferred a season that had taken a little more time.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: As of now, do you still consider Considine's work as the best in the show.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Understand if you haven't found the time lately, but could you give your thoughts on Community season 2 and cast ranking whenever you get the chance to finish it.

Matt Mustin said...

The Last House cast ratings:
Lee-4
Moura-4
Chung-3
Sosnowski-3
Ho-3.5
Barbosa-3.5

Matt Mustin said...

Everybody posts their ratings for movies from the current year. Why can't I?

Matt Mustin said...

Also, not for nothing, but sticking "No offense" on the front of that didn't make it come off any less rude, oddly enough.

Emi Grant said...

X: Wtf is your problem?

Anyone can post their ratings for anything if they want to.

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on this fun analysis of Spider-Man 3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxvC647Yi0A

Robert MacFarlane said...

Anyway, the MCU X-Men cast is... mostly interesting? Driver is playing Mr. Sinister, Inde Navarette as Rogue, Christopher Abbott as Xavier. Got a newcomer as Storm. Might not be shit.

Matt Mustin said...

Adam Driver as Mr. Sinister is too perfect.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

X: On the contrary, I'm curious about most people's ratings for films they watch. It comes with the blog being a space to discuss acting - shocking I know.

Tim said...

Louis: your ranking for Christopher Nolan's final montages?

Shaggy Rogers said...

What also hindered Pacino's performance in The Godfather Part III was the legacy of Scarface; ever since then, he has never managed to shake off those aggressive tics and mannerisms of Tony Montana.

Shaggy Rogers said...

Hey guys
Can anyone tell me if Louis is on vacation? I’m not demanding an immediate return. I just want to know so I can take a break from my 1990 movies marathon and do other things.

Perfectionist said...

Shaggy: I don't agree with that. I don't think that's how that works, man.

Perfectionist said...

Matt: you took that well, man. I actually really like seeing your ratings for cast.

J96 said...

Louis, your thoughts on the rest of the cast? Particularly Matt Smith and Fabian Frankel?

Matt Mustin said...

Yeah, rewatch of Jacob's Ladder Robbins is definitely a 5 for me and I'm glad I requested him.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Considine still would be the #1 overall.

Tahmeed:

Not yet but I will get back to it sooner than later.

8000’s:

Overanalysis is frequently enough an amusing bit, that was also an amusing bit particularly over complicating the fact that Peter wanted cookies with nuts.

Serious side note, man I would’ve loved to see the Harry/Sandman only movie, as really the thematic tissue about revenge is totally there just jumbled and mangled via Venom.

Tim:

1. “I Believe We Did” - Oppenheimer
2. “You Want to be fooled” - The Prestige
3. “The Dark Knight” - The Dark Knight
4. “We Shall Fight” - Dunkirk
5. “Where was I?” - Memento
6. “Welcome Home Mr. Cobb” - Inception
7. “She’s Out There” - Interstellar
8. “Civilization will rise again” - The Odyssey
9. “You should use your full name, I like that name” - The Dark Knight Rises

J96:

Don’t really feel like going every single performance but:

Smith I think consistently isn’t nearly as good as he should be. He has a general presence and when he’s playing Daemon as the badass he works well enough. When he could have more nuance like his scenes with his daughter this season, I just don’t think he brings as much as he could to truly create a reasonable complexity within the character. He always bends a little too back to a straight narrow path in his performance that doesn’t make him the most interesting character when I think there is consistently potential for more than he finds. He also occasionally has some wonky deliveries in there, particularly his “I’ll handle this” on a Dragon that came off so silly.

Frankel proved he could be better in Task, however given the aging of so many characters he remained fundamentally miscast in the part, something that became all the more evident this season. Where the writing behind the character of the man basically being haunted by everything and devoting something to the only thing he’s good at, killing, had truly great potential but he was way too young looking. An older actor could’ve given far more reality to the years of the man living an unfulfilled life and could’ve brought so much more power to that downfall.

Lucas Saavedra said...

Louis: do you have any specific thoughts on Frankel in season 2 of HOTD since you had said he got better later on in that season? And did you watch the Larry David sketch comedy miniseries about american history?

Robert MacFarlane said...

Louis: How would you compare Criston’s arc to Syril Karn’s?

Harris Marlowe said...

RIP Hayden Panettiere and Screaming Mad George.

J96 said...

My Lord! Rest In Peace Hayden Panettiere. Just three years after her brother. Such a shame. She was a significant part of my childhood with A Bug’s Life AND Remember the Titans. The voices of Lilo and Dot gone suddenly in the same year? What is going on?????

Robert MacFarlane said...

Panettiere dying the day after D23 did a Kingdom Hearts cast reunion is too fucking eerie.

Tim said...

R.I.P. Hayden Panettiere

Matt Mustin said...

RIP Hayden Panettiere. Truly awful.

Luke Higham said...

RIP Hayden Panettiere

Anonymous said...

The Golden Globes sure knew how to milk every mid-tier Al Pacino performance into a nomination back then

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

RIP Hayden Panettiere and Screaming Mad George

RatedRStar said...

RIP Hayden Panettiere and Screaming Mad George

Shaggy Rogers said...

RIP Hayden Panettiere
I liked her in Heroes serie, to the point where she was an old crush of mine.

Perfectionist said...

As someone who likes most of the movies in Scream franchise, I always loved Panettiere's work in Scream 4. Her character was a fan favorite.

RIP Hayden Panettiere.

Razor said...

RIP Hayden Panettiere.

A said...

R.I.P. Hayden Panettiere.

Louis Morgan said...

Lucas:

He starts out as jilted lover which he played to such an extreme note that it became ridiculous as he felt more petulant than someone truly bitter. When he shifted to the man broken by PTSD he finally got onto something, I wouldn't say he became great and where it took him this season showed that again he was just too young for the part, however he went from actively bad to somewhat effective.

Robert:

They are actually quite similar in two men very much defined by a singular pursuit, in which both instances the focus of this pursuit either doesn't really care or in the case of Andor isn't even aware of him. Then the final act of their arc becomes the realization of that pursuit is totally meaningless in the grand scheme, though the difference is Criston doubles down that while he's aware of the meaningless that meaningless motivates his violence, whereas Syril seemingly has a genuine moment of clarity, albeit thrown off when he finally sees Cassian, though leading to perhaps the even greater moment where the man for a moment can see how much of a waste his life has been.

Louis Morgan said...

Ytrewq:

1990's The Godfather directed by Martin Scorsese (And as a challenge no repeats):

Old Vito: Joe Pesci (In The Irishman mode)
Michael: John Tuturro (Although trying to cast Michael shows just how perfect Pacino was to that role.)
Sonny: Ray Liotta
Fredo: Steve Buscemi
Tom: Viggo Mortensen
Clemenza: Paul Sorvino
Tessio: Robert Loggia
Woltz: Cliff Robertson
Barzini: Ben Gazzara
Sollozzo: Tony Lo Bianco
Connie: Illeana Douglas
Carlo: Vincent Gallo
McCluskey: JT Walsh

Matt Mustin said...

Pretty much loved the premier of Lanterns. Kyle Chandler is fantastic.

Marcus said...

Louis: A bit of a fun spoilers question, but what are your favorite film betrayals? (in terms of the execution).

Bryan L. said...

Louis: Your choice for Kay and Young Vito? For the latter, I think Mark Strong could be a good shout.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis: And to top it off, who would you have as Hyman Roth and Frank Pentangeli?

RatedRStar said...

Louis: Some people have been touting Jack Lowden as the next James Bond, I've heard he is great in Slow Horses, what you reckon?

Louis Morgan said...

Marcus:

Fredo - The Godfather Part II
Elsa & Walter Donovan - Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (And not that it's even all that surprising for the latter I've just always loved Glover's ultra smug delivery of "didn't I tell you not to trust anyone Doctor Jones?)
Ash - Alien
Dudley - L.A. Confidential
Zuckerberg - The Social Network
Robert Ford - The Assassination of Jesse James
Frank - Hot Fuzz
Vesper - Casino Royale
Laura - The Verdict
Ending - Le Trou

Bryan:

Kay: Madeleine Stowe
Young Vito: Robert Carlyle (I'll admit going with Pesci severely limits who can be a believable approximation)
Hyman Roth: Sam Wanamaker
Frank Pentangeli: Tony Sirico

RatedRStar:

He is indeed, however I'll say a great deal of his appeal on that show is his somewhat goofy hapless energy even though he's technically a Bond type. Essentially he played the pseudo parody now he'll be playing it straight, so it will be interesting to see how that translates, though he's certainly talented enough that he could pull off that switch.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Louis: Also in spoiler territory: What characters had the most upsetting fates in TV shows that you’ve seen?

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Robert: Shireen has to be up there for me personally, especially since it hasn't happened in the books yet (and probably never will, Martin seems incapable of finishing anything).

Anonymous said...

Any potential of moving James Caan in The Godfather to a 5?

Calvin Law said...

With regard to those Godfather recasting, I can't help but feel Jon Polito needs to be in there somewhere. Also would be a different character as well but I'd suggest Pat Morita as a sort of alternate take on the Hyman Roth character, watching Mr Miyagi reveal rageful depths would be quite something to say the least.

Calvin Law said...

Louis: thoughts on this modern day Jackie Brown recast?

Pam Grier: Regina Hall
Ordell Robbie: Wood Harris
Max Cherry: Kyle Chandler
Melanie: Jessica Rothe
Ray Nicolette: Paddy Considine
Louis Gara: Alan Ruck

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your thoughts on these deleted scenes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCZ7gqKRFwM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBfDy4gt9iM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aQod6tnHzM

Lucas Saavedra said...

Louis: What are your current thoughts on Spellbound (1945) and The Postman Always Rings Twice (1946)? You gave them both a 3.5 on letterboxd, but you were more negative when you previously gave your thoughts on them.

8000S said...

Louis: As a celebration of Madeleine Stowe's birthday, I rewatched 12 Monkeys.

Really, prime Stowe was something else. Beautiful face, beautiful eyes, beautiful voice.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Calvin: Chandler and Hall are perfect choices.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Since you've completed Peter Weir's filmography, how would you rank them.

Louis Morgan said...

The End of Oak Street very much wants to be a Spielbergian summer thrill fest, and it doesn’t totally fail as such. Unlike many a Bad Robot production it thankfully doesn't really have to answer any questions and is far more just premise based without truly any need to open the mystery box. Instead it is set piece based which is consistently decent enough, just enough thrills to be effective and essentially in many ways this is the film that the third Jurassic World film should’ve been, rather than the locust corporate espionage BS we got, where it is suburbs meet dinosaurs. I wouldn’t say the overall sequences are amazing but enough to make a watchable film, though it does suffer from stupid character decisions 101 which always are less than ideal. The attempts at any personal depth elements are pretty limited. There’s something in the parental relationship, aided by Hathaway really giving it her all, but the kids' stories are very thin, particularly a neighbor girl whose character is to exist, and a bully subplot that truly is absolutely nothing. This won’t be remembered as a classic ever, but I found it a decent enough time at the movies. Though I will say David Robert Mitchell should have his split diopter taken away from him permanently.

Hathaway - 4
McGregor - 3
Stella - 3
Convery - 2
Davis - 2.5
Byrne - 2.5.
Kuroda - 3
Byrd - 3

Louis Morgan said...

Robert:

Shireen - GOT
Adriana - The Sopranos
Donald Margolis - Breaking Bad
Seymour - Futurama
The Cast - Blackadder Goes Forth
Vic - The Penguin

Anonymous:

No.

Lucas:

My thoughts really haven't changed, they're both flawed but have enough moments in them to earn that rating.

Calvin:

He'd be a good fit for Pentangeli/Clemenza.

Hall and Chandler are ideal, could see the rest to be sure, though might pick someone with a bit bigger of an innate extroverted presence for Ordell though I do like Harris as an actor.

Anonymous:

Rightfully deleted as we don't lose anything by cutting them out in terms of the structure of the film despite Caan being good in them in showing a bit more vulnerability to Sonny in that state of desperation.

Luke:

Well I technically haven't seen his early, rather derided work. But regardless:

1. Master and Commander
2. Gallipoli
3. Picnic at Hanging Rock
4. The Truman Show
5. Witness
6. The Mosquito Coast
7. The Year of Living Dangerously
8. Fearless
9. The Last Wave
10. The Way Back
11. Dead Poets Society
12. Green Card

Lucas Saavedra said...

Louis: thoughts on the cast of The End of Oak Street?

8000S said...

Louis: Speaking of Stowe, how do you think she would have done as Jean Grey in an 80's X-Men movie?

Louis Morgan said...

Lucas:

Not too much to say because the character's are written as limited. Hathaway gets the most in conveying the gravity of the situation, finding moments of levity naturally and finding honesty in depicting the real sense of frustrations of her character before the narrative begins. She manages to really highlight anything she can get a hold of and delivers in anchoring the film.

McGregor on the other hand is a little going through the motions. There feels moments where he could go for a little more depth yet seems to hit a pretty surface note.

Stella is totally fine but doesn't have much to work with.

Convery really has some outright bad moments in there, and when not struggling with presenting emotional stress is just kind of bland.

Everyone else is a quick bit that is either just slightly too much or just enough in a thin role.

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

I mean sure, as the general look and the strong presence needed.