Monday, 19 May 2025

Alternate Best Actor 2017: Joaquin Phoenix in You Were Never Really Here

Joaquin Phoenix did not receive an Oscar nomination, despite winning CANNES, for portraying Joe in You Were Never Really Here.

You Were Never Really Here follows a hired gun as he gets involved with retrieving the kidnapped daughter of a state senator. 

Joaquin Phoenix is obviously an actor I have covered many times, and have covered him many times for playing men who are on some sort of extreme psychological edge. As Joe in this film this is yet another entry, yet an extremely unique entry within his oeuvre, and as I’ve written before, the great actor isn’t always about playing extremely different roles but rather finding compelling variation within similar roles. Within that idea Phoenix immediately crafts something quite different here as Joe than his earlier Freddie Quell or his later greatest hits rendition in Joker. It begins with his specific physicality and I will say while this is an expected element within Phoenix’s work in terms of an inclusion, it is completely different than expected in terms of execution. While Phoenix previously depicted Quell as the literally bent man unable to even physically stand like a healthy man, as Joe Phoenix reinvents that to create something I quite honestly wasn’t aware he could do, which is be physically intimidating. While Phoenix obviously bulked up for the role, it isn’t just that, rather the way he holds himself. Where Freddie was bent, here Phoenix reworks himself into that of essentially a lumbering brute, where all of the intensity he typically has is somehow all forced into himself as a singular shroud of protection. Phoenix wholly convinces at being someone you don’t want to reckon with, and while Phoenix has obviously been dangerous in other roles, it was usually as a live wire type situation, here, you can see him as a specific force. 

That brilliant physicality, which again just is wholly convincing and grants you something immediately new from Phoenix, it goes further as is common to Phoenix is a character dealing with trauma, but in this instance the reaction to that trauma is something quite a bit different. An overriding and callback to aspect of the character of Joe is his suicidal ideation, where throughout the film we see Joe play with methods of killing or harming himself. The film opens with a bag over his head to suffocate himself and soon afterwards, when visiting his elderly mother, he plays around potentially stabbing himself with a knife. Phoenix is incredibly disturbing in the way he handles these scenes, because there is no dramatic element to them either speaking towards intensity of the moment like say Riggs in Lethal Weapon, nor is it even say the way Freddie Quell is festering in his own anguish such as in the prison lash out scene from The Master. Rather Phoenix does something entirely differently by playing it as incredibly casually, which in terms is particularly off-putting. Phoenix portrays this unnerving comfort in Joe in these actions as though they are everyday occurrences for the man, because they are everyday occurrences. What Phoenix presents them as instead as his version, his very disturbing version, of playing with a stress ball, as he brings the same kind of matter of fact quality to these early moments, as a man who just uses that as part of his way of dealing with existence. 

There’s an idiosyncrasy within Phoenix’s approach here within his own turns but just performances in general, particularly within the revenge or vigilante genre. Phoenix makes Joe his own beast and even subverts your expectations of such a character in many ways. There is for example quite a bit of calm in his performance, and calm is usually something that denotes the badass in one way or another. While Joe has traits of such a type of character, the approach Phoenix takes ensures that you would never describe Joe as such. Part of it is the way this calm is more so the way he presents Joe as existing in his world as more so part of this near malaise of his existence that is burdened by unending trauma and violence. And in a way if you had a less intimate view of Joe, you could believe him as a badass when you see him interact with his liaisons, Phoenix delivers his lines with confidence of a man who knows the job and the routine. He has no questions or hesitations about it. Even when he goes about infiltrating the house where the senator’s daughter is being kept, Phoenix interrogates the runner for the house again as a man who is most efficient. Menacing even in his way of just so matter of factly requesting the information where the violence of the man is so innate in himself that Phoenix can barely raise a pulse in his questioning and getting set up to go in for the retrieval. Phoenix does command the space, but what he does is connect this to that same blasé manner towards his own suicidal tendencies, of a many with an eerie comfort towards death. 

That comfort to death extends to the particularly practical but also particularly brutal method of killing each time, which is largely with a hammer he buys at a hardware store. Where we see him go about his trade where Phoenix plays the sequence of killing all the men in the house with not exactly ease, but the same sort of approach someone might take to hammering down a ton of floor boards. It is absolutely routine for him, there is no weight in it, it is just what the man does. An approach that could seem like too little yet I found what Phoenix does here absolutely captivating in creating the idea of a man who in a way thrives with violence because internally he is filled with so much horror that to put it out externally is merely a continuation of that existence. As Joe is haunted by so many horrors of his own abuse as a child, the abuse of his mother by his father, death as a soldier, a mass grave in law enforcement, the man has more ghosts than people, and Phoenix is able to create this state within his performance. One where the horror is within his stare and even so within his consistency when he is killing or facing more death. Phoenix portrays someone so broken by his experience that he is a curiosity in himself and living still is also part of that curiosity. The only breaks whatsoever coming specifically from anyone who seems to try to present themselves to him in any way that isn’t violence. 

The moments where Phoenix breaks the state of Joe in any way are impactful through that consistency he crafts in his idiosyncrasy. As through his journey with his mother, we do see a loving if in no way untroubled son as he helps his mom out in her decrepit state. When he rescues the abused girl the first time, Phoenix says much in the moment where she first embraces him, then tries to kiss him. Where Phoenix in his subtle reaction creating how much any tenderness is more so a knife than what an actual knife would do to him, as he shows both surprise of the care and horror of her attempt to kiss him, stemming from her own mistreatment, where Phoenix reveals the broken psyche of Joe by how deeply each impact him, of course deeply within the malaise of Joe. The next break comes when after the initial rescue the plot gets murkier as the governor has her kidnapped again, trying to cut off all loose ends including Joe who barely escapes and finds that the men even went to his home and killed his mom. And there’s a powerful contrast between two scenes of when Joe sees his mother has been killed and when he “interrogates” one of the men who killed his mom. The former is again a rare moment of released emotion where we do see how much Joe still loves his mom even through the drama, and Phoenix is incredible in letting it eek out. It is amazing particularly since Phoenix often is so emotive, that it becomes so powerful in the way he artfully breaks the state of Joe’s mind only in these rare but impactful moments. And that is further emphasized by when, after wounding the man, asks the man if he killed his mom. Joe is back to his violence and state of perpetual trauma, and Phoenix is almost relaxed in the way he asks. Something that makes sense through Phoenix is realization of this particular state where more suffering is merely the norm. A powerfully shown element when Joe goes about weighing his mother in water and choosing her initially to join her in death by drowning himself. Phoenix’s portrayal creates the turning point of the man just going about accepting what he has been as there is comfort as he goes about his own death, until he sees a vision of the girl he did not save. Leading to the final act, where Joe seems to save the girl, who is him in so many ways, right down to how the plot realizes itself. However pivotal is the final release of his own defenses by seeing himself reflected in so many ways, and Phoenix doesn't suddenly go big. He’s remarkably small, still yet so incredible in the way he releases the emotions dormant, not as a pressurized valve, but rather this quiet erosion through the final scenes. Phoenix presents not a man with an understanding of any of it, or what to do with it, yet Joe cannot escape it. His final line delivery of repeating “it’s a beautiful day”, after being told so by the “rescued” girl, Phoenix is amazing in his underplay, of reaffirming, as an acceptance, yet in no way is it of renewed optimism or anything easy. Rather a man living within his fate of existence, as painful as it is, but speaking that it is what it is. I loved this performance by Phoenix, as much as it is a man on an extreme, Phoenix uncovers wholly new ground in crafting a different kind of tragedy and different kind of experience. Utilizing a more minimalistic and quieter choice, which pierce still so powerfully in creating captivating and unique portrait of a withdrawal of emotion rather than an explosion of it. 

102 comments:

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast and Ramsay's direction.

Luke Higham said...

Happy that Phoenix is now up to 7 fives.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Could you watch Lear On The Shore, The Merciless, Brimstone, Their Finest, The Ballad Of Lefty Brown and a re-watch of Get Out before finishing Lead.

I'm gonna assume you already intend to move Beale and Buscemi over to Lead.

Matt Mustin said...

One of his very best performances. I was very surprised by how quietly he played this.

Bryan L. said...

Fitting that this review is coming out the same time as Ramsay’s newest film is at Cannes.

Emi Grant said...

The film hasn't stayed with me at all, but this is undeniably one of Phoenix's greatest turns. Top 3 for me.

Tony Kim said...

Thoughts on the film's uses of "Angel Baby" and "The Air That I Breathe"?

Calvin Law said...

Fantastic film and glad you finally loved a Lynne Ramsay (though actually you seem to have liked Morvern Callar well enough). Thoughts on the 'I've Never Been to Me' needle drop scene where he 'comforts' the hitman in his final moments? That's one of my favourite scenes in the film alongside the infiltration of the house, and the water burial.

Calvin Law said...

And thoughts on Jon Bini's editing? One of the film's greatest assets in my opinion, especially for that infiltration sequence and actually making the ending, brisk as it technically is in terms of story progression, have a real impact.

Matt Mustin said...

Honestly this film would be my win in several categories most other years.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: I actually meant to say "I've Never Been to Me" for the second song, so you can disregard that part and just talk about the use of "Angel Baby".

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Carey Mulligan has been cast in The Magician's Nephew. Very atypical of her to star in a project like this. The only major IP she starred in prior was a sole Doctor Who episide (Arguably the best of the revived series).

Harris Marlowe said...

RIP George Wendt.

RatedRStar said...

RIP George Wendt.

Matt Mustin said...

RIP The great George Wendt.

Harris Marlowe said...

Louis, your thoughts on the cinematography?

Jonathan Williams said...

Louis: Thoughts on the trailer for Caught Stealing.

Luke Higham said...

Reinsve and Skarsgard are in serious contention for Sentimental Value.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Not that I’d ever advocate for actually doing this, but if you had to pick a year where you gave a tie for Best Picture, what year or years do you think you’d choose? The more I think about it, the more I’m tempted to do that for 2023 (Poor Things and Oppenheimer, naturally)

Robert MacFarlane said...

2001 would probably be my year for a tie. In fact, a four-way tie between Spirited Away, Mulholland Drive, Fellowship of the Ring, and A.I. Artificial Intelligence. Legit can't decide which one of those I love the most.

Emi Grant said...

Seconding 2001. Picking between Mulholland Dr. and Y Tu Mama Tambien is like picking a favorite child for me.

Also '66. The Good, The Bad & The Ugly/Persona. I hate having to pick one over the other.

Emi Grant said...

R.I.P. George Wendt

Shaggy Rogers said...

Hey guys
Update on my Top 10 prediction of Louis' lead actor in 2017:
1. Stanton
2. Gosling
3. Day-Lewis
4. Phoenix
5. Beale
6. Jackman
7. Song
8. Pattinson
9. Renner
10. Stan

PS: If Louis can watch Lear on the Shore, then Nakadai is #2

Robert MacFarlane said...

I think he might move Stan to Supporting since Screentime Central has him lower than he assumed.

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on The Ascent and The Rock, two pieces of music that Bruce Smeaton created for Picnic at Hanging Rock

Matt Mustin said...

Robert: Stan's a weird one because he probably shouldn't be lead but he still feels like he is, to me.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Matt actually, I think he drives enough of the story that he’s always felt like a lead to me despite his screentime.

Michael McCarthy said...

^That last anonymous comment was me, idk why Google signed me out

Michael McCarthy said...

^That last anonymous comment was me, idk why Google signed me out

Robert MacFarlane said...

I never felt the vibe he was co-lead, to be honest. It's not Gilhooly's story.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Of Ramsay’s four first films she takes varying approaches within the overarching idea of the specified perspective of the protagonist, with moments of warped reality if not fantasy with this film for me being the most effective realization of this idea. There’s a precise balance that Ramsay creates here between matter of fact reality, if not sheer brutality mixed in with moments of shifting reality. The usage for example of music is a blend between the score that creates more so the warping and the use of songs which Ramsay purposefully uses within the sound design as something in the background and realistically muffled at times. This dynamic being the consistent dynamic overall and an effective one in placing us oftentimes in both spaces of the mind of Joe but also the brutal world of Joe which aren’t precisely the same. That juxtaposition being something Ramsay runs with particularly effectively. As you have such striking contrast in terms of the extremes of those moments. From the lake scene that is beautiful to look at and purposefully has this calm in the realization of it. Against the infiltration scene that is depicted with some of the bluntest brutality ever seen in such a scene, and through essentially the cam footage, though wisely I think done in a still in a cinematic sense, makes such a scene that you have never seen before. Ramsay balances that brutality with the breaks within the world as it is, making them have such sharp punctuation by creating that captivating contrast. Moments of beauty, but also nightmare in the quick cuts to all that haunts Joe. Leaving you in a hellish state of mind as when escaping the bad thoughts, it is to a world of calm brutality, though with just the minor bits of respite that sing so powerfully in Ramsay’s impeccable realization of her style here.


Roberts - 3.5(Honestly this is a film that is not about the supporting cast, which is usually a fault, but in this instance I think it completely works in creating the specificity of Joe’s state of being. Roberts has arguably the most of a role as the struggling mother of Joe’s. And for her brief screentime Roberts brings a believable sense of this fussy attempt at pride while also being in many ways her own physical and emotional wreck. Roberts creates the end result of her own broken life in just a few scenes effectively.)


Samsonov - 3.5(Essentially an anti-performance in that I really feel the whole point of her character and turn is not to be any sort of plucky, vibrant or endearing sort of “cub” to Joe’s Lone Wolf. She’s instead is the same hollowness about her as we see Joe as he reckons with death. But this is a case where her limitation completely works, intentional or not, in creating essentially someone who is already a shell at such a young age and is convincing as such.)


Everyone else is “in the film” though serves their purpose no matter how limited, including Nivola, who I feel is there solely to make us think he’s going to matter more than he does.


I saw Their Finest back in 2017 (and Beatriz at Dinner for that matter) and I guess I just forgot to log them.

Louis Morgan said...


I’ve found literally no way in which to watch Lear on The Shore, which is a shame.


Calvin:

I liked Rat Catcher as well, Kevin’s the only one that I dislike, though this is easily my favorite.


I loved the editing as I was impressed how much it was able to be a slow burn, that also moved extremely well, and I think is a showcase of how to really approach this type of film. As never did I think I was spending too literal time in Joe’s mind, or too much, rather pacing magnificently in the cuts that make it not a detour each time but a flow with the same progression as the overall plot. Combined with just some standout moments as such, such as the infiltration scene again, which I thought was just about perfect in every standpoint, including the editing.


Tony:

The use of the song is like most where it is utilized within the scene very much without the typical cinematic flourish in the sound design particularly of the contrast of stomping through the house with it playing faintly in the background. In this instance creating two creepy juxtapositions really of any song could be playing at any time kind of thing, however first the setup of the governor’s obviously sleazy nature, then subverting it become a most unlikely soundtrack to seeing a most brutal death, along with Joe’s purpose suddenly being broken in a way as he’s forced to ponder with that song as he can’t even kill in this instance.


Luke:


I imagine in Gerwig she trusts, which is understandable. After all, what seemed like to many as a baffling commercial choice in the announcement stage for Gosling gave him an Oscar nomination.


Jonathan:

Aronofsky doing Guy Ritchie isn’t a combination I expected to see…or am particularly interested in. But hey you never know, last year had a Brady Corbert film I loved and the previous year an Alexander Payne film, so maybe this will be Aronofsky’s turn.


Harris:

Captivating work that I think finds a strong balance within the idea of creating an “ugly” film which should rarely be an excuse for a hard to look at film. In this instance oftentimes utilizing naturalistic lighting which naturally can have moments of random beauty mixed in with an innate harshness of reality. Playing around with this effectively between those moments of extreme closeup where we feel stuck in the right way, to the grander scope moments that occasionally have some overt beauty, but just as often isolate. Of course one scene out of that style is the infiltration scene, however that is an exceptional example of this idea, where it completely gives the vibe of security footage, but doesn’t lean on it, still creating captivating shots while also being that.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

As I've noted before, best picture/#1 is typically my easiest choice as it is feeling after watching the film where I just know in most years.

But to not dodge, 57, 74, 01, 03.

Shaggy Rogers said...

Hey guys.
The Cannes Film Festival is coming to finish, so tell us your predictions for this year's winners? My bets:

Palm D: Sentimental Value
Best Director: Bi Gan - Resurrection
Best Actor: Wagner Moura - The Secret Agent
Best Actress: Jennifer Lawrence - Die, My Love

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Your rating for Bill Nighy, I'll ask for thoughts on the results post.

Luke Higham said...

I completely understand your feelings about not being able to give Master And Commander the win in 03.

Anonymous said...

Luke, your Best Picture win for 2003.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Maybe it’s because I’ve been in a terrible mood the last few months, but I disliked the new Mission Impossible quite a bit.

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: I adore Master And Commander very much but I can't deny Return Of The King's overall achievement.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: For tomorrow evening, your first Oscar predictions for Picture, Director and Acting with thoughts on each.

Robert MacFarlane said...

I feel like I need to talk to someone else who hated Final Reckoning, because I'm legit getting angrier thinking about it. Like, my list of complaints grows every hour. Is this what Last Jedi haters felt?

Matt Mustin said...

I enjoyed elements of Final Reckoning, but the more I think about it, the more problems I have with it, and I wasn't in love with it to begin with. Thing is, I think it's more just fine than outright awful, but the problems are numerous and clear, and honestly considering the high bar these films have set, and especially considering how they're hyping this up as the Grand Finale, they just needed to do better than this.

Cruise-3.5(Dangerously close to coasting here, but he's still committed during the stunts, and he's still a solid lead, but he does seem to be getting a little tired here.)

Atwell-3

Rhames-3(WASTED)

Pegg-3.5

Morales-2.5(WASTED)

Klementieff-3.5

Czerny-3

Bassett-3

McCallany-2.5

McTeer-2.5

Offerman-3

Waddingham-3

Tillman-3

Whigham-3(Much to my annoyance, wasted, but he still brings something to it)

Davis-2.5

Saxon-3.5

Tulugarjuk-3.5





Matt Mustin said...

Could bump Saxon up if I think about it enough. Thought he was weirdly the most emotionally resonant part of the whole film.

Robert MacFarlane said...

I think Tillman and Saxon are the only performances to rise above "just fine" and into "actually good". McCallany and Offerman I think are outright bad. No one is given great material, though. Too much exposition to allow for depth. And the moments that are supposed to be emotional are unearned.

Also, Gabriel fucking sucks. Too boring of a villain to earn that level of a kill count. Morales isn't as bad as Dougray Scott in terms of performance, but I actually might say Gabriel is written worse.

Matt Mustin said...

Morales is absolutely fine, the problem is they gave him too much to do in the last film, and by extension, not enough in this one.

Robert MacFarlane said...

I hate the concept of Gabriel. Too competent and too untouchable, always makes for an annoying attempt to up the ante of stakes. He's just... not interesting. I'd say the series has only had three good villains anyway, but still.

Tony Kim said...

Rob: I'm assuming one of them is PSH. Who are the other two, Reno and Voight?

Robert MacFarlane said...

Tony: No, Cavill and Harris.

Emi Grant said...

Even as someone who enjoyed Final Reckoning, I wholeheartedly agree on Gabriel being lame

Tony Kim said...

Rob: Funny, Harris didn't leave much of an impression on me. What was your problem with the Phelps character?

Robert MacFarlane said...

Emi: I admit I sympathize with fans of the original show on the reveal he turned heel.

Matt Mustin said...

Tony: I don't even remember Reno being in one of them.

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Tony Kim said...

Matt: It's possible those two stuck out more in my mind simply because I was watching some of the first film on TV recently.

Bryan L. said...

Louis: Your 70s cast and director for this film?

Shaggy Rogers said...

The winners of the Cannes Film Festival have been announced. It Was Just an Accident won the Palme d'Or. Wagner Moura is the new name to keep an eye on.

Anonymous said...

If Louis ever rewatches Blade Runner 2049 I really hope Villenueve wins.

Tony Kim said...

Robert: Would you consider Kirby and Redgrave to be exceptions as well? Now that I think about it, if you count Klementieff in DR, the franchise's best villains are female.

Robert MacFarlane said...

I guess we're taking side villains into consideration, Kirby and DEFINITELY Klementieff would count.

Matt Mustin said...

Is Trespass Against Us 2016 or 2017?

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis: What do you think of Tim Curry in the following roles?

Mr. Scratch
Dogberry
Billy Flynn (amusingly he has played a character named like that in Criminal Minds, who is the opposite of Chicago's best defense lawyer in every possible way)
Stanton "Stan" Carlisle/Clem Hoatley/Pete Krumbein

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

I'll say Neon buying Sentimental Value, Secret Agent, It Was Just An Accident (and Life of Chuck) for that matter REALLY confuses things in terms reaction to the CANNES winners.

Picture:

One Battle After Another (Winner)
Sinners
Wicked For Good
Sentimental Value
Hamnet
The Secret Agent
Rental Family
After the Hunt
Drive Me From Nowhere
The Ballad of a Small Player

I don't think One Battle will be winning, but as long as it delivers in a general sense the PTA vein in the academy will get him in. Sinners has all the early momentum will be seen if it can maintain it to what extent. Wicked For Good seems likely as long as it doesn't fall on its face, though unless it surprises everyone not sure it will do as well or necessarily better than the first. Sentimental Value would be an even easier choice if it has won the Palm but even though it didn't still felt like it got the most buzz, plus Trier was, albeit only slightly, recognized previously by the academy. Hamnet has some early screening hearsay that creates pause but Zhao prestige follow-up with that subject matter still suggests possibility. The Secret Agent also from Neon might be too many, but also received much buzz and will be telling how much CANNES does mean at this point given all the success last year. Rental Family solely because of Searchlight being a great campaigner and it seems like maybe their best bet from their current slate. Guadagninio hasn't quite fully broken out with the academy but After The Hunt seems like a possibility particularly combined with Amazon. Drive Me From Nowhere fulfilling the required generic dull Oscar contender, though if the year has enough contenders something directed by Scott Cooper will be the first to go. And the Ballad of the Small Player is off of Berger and Netflix needing a player.

Louis Morgan said...

Actor:

Leonardo DiCaprio - One Battle After Another (Winner)
Wagner Moura - The Secret Agent
Jeremy Allen White - Deliver Me From Nowhere
Colin Farrell - The Ballad of a Small Player
Brendan Fraser - Rental Family

Mostly choices just to go along with the best picture lineup, Moura bolstered by his CANNES win, DiCaprio winning as a placeholder (as I think a miss is possible with what happened with Killers though I think that stemmed in part from him being the focal point of several criticisms of that film) however from the trailer seems fairly showy, Fraser and Farrell as a re-meet up, and White from general buzz for him combined with biopic role.

Actress:

Jennifer Lawrence - Die My Love (Winner)
Renate Reinsve - Sentimental Value
Rose Byrne - If I Had Legs I'd Kick You
Julia Roberts - After the Hunt
Jessie Buckley - Hamnet

Lawrence as placeholder winner but if she has the momentum I could see it. Will need to be a sweeper thing however. Reinsve if her film is a big deal also makes sense particularly as her profile grows. Byrne off sundance and Berlin buzz, though how much her film does will be a question mark. Roberts makes sense as a showy "return to form" potentially. And Buckley if Hamnet is in best picture, plus let's be honest it's Buckley.

Louis Morgan said...

Supporting Actor:

Stellan Skarsgard - Sentimental Value (Winner)
Sean Penn - One Battle After Another
Paul Mescal - Hamnet
Jeremy Strong - Deliver Me From Nowhere
Andrew Garfield - After The Hunt

Skarsgard is my least placeholder at the moment as he seems ripe for this kind of recognition particularly if the film is a big deal. Penn has the greatest early word evidently. Mescal obviously is growing in profile and playing Shakespeare seems ripe for more recognition. Strong for less interesting follow up nom, placeholder though in a way. Garfield could be lead, but seems possibly a juicy role and the academy likes him.

Supporting Actress:

Ayo Edebiri - After the Hunt (Winner)
Elle Fanning - Sentimental Value
Tilda Swinton - The Ballad of a Small Player
Teyana Taylor - One Battle After Another
Mari Yamamoto - Rental Family

Edebiri based on a role with potential and her own buzz growing. Fanning based on some individual mention and theoretical success of the film. If the film's a thing, Swinton seems like someone who should get a second nomination at some point. Taylor mainly based on the trailer, though that could also allude to too small of a part. And Yamamoto because I need to fill up this five.

Louis Morgan said...

Director:

PTA - One Battle After Another (Winner)
Ryan Coogler - Sinners
Joachim Trier - Sentimental Value
Chloe Zhao - Hamnet
Luca Guadagnino - After The Hunt

Louis Morgan said...

Forgot about Avatar, replace Drive Me to Nowhere with it, which my guess will do similarly to Way of Water.

Anonymous said...

Louis: ohh boy. I hope none of what you are predicting is true lol.

Robert MacFarlane said...

I think Conan O’Brien might be a Supporting Actor contender for If I Had Legs, I Would Kick You

Louis Morgan said...

Robert:

Seems primed for an Indie spirit at the very least. And if he gets snubbed, he'll have plenty of jokes to make about it.

Ytrewq:

Would be great fun as Mr. Scratch and could play around with both comedic and menace with great aplomb.

Ideal type for Dogberry as would have that messy energy down pat.

Flynn would be totally different but would've loved to have seen it as a more chaotic rather than a flirtation presence.

Don't quite see him as Stan in terms of portraying the false honest side.

Bryan:

Directed by Sam Peckinpah:

Joe: Warren Oates
The Governor: Gig Young
Mother: Ruth Gordon
Nina: Nastassja Kinski

Anonymous said...

@anonymous

You have that strong of opinions of films you haven't seen besides Sinners?

Harris Marlowe said...

If MBJ isn't nominated for Sinners I'll eat my hat. I'd say he's safely in.

Harris Marlowe said...

Louis, your screenplay predictions?

Luke Higham said...

I saw MI8, apart from the Submarine scene, I felt drowned by it.

Louis Morgan said...

Harris:

I think "safely" is a strong description for anyone at this venture, and given I feel Jordan would be hard to describe as in win contention, I wouldn't be surprised if he missed out to contenders that were particularly if the category becomes stacked (something we can't determine fully until the fall festivals), particularly given his role is semi action oriented, which are rare (but not completely alien) to leading actor nominations.

Original:

Sentimental Value (Winner)
Sinners
The Secret Agent
Rental Family
After the Hunt

Adapted:

One Battle After Another (Winner)
Hamnet
The Ballad of a Small Player
Die My Love
Deliver From Nowhere

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Do you think Stan would have made the Best Actor line up with just The Apprentice under his belt, or did the additional acclaim for 'A Different Man' help give that final push?

While competing performances are rarely good due to vote splitting, I do wonder if this was a case where voters could rationalize that they were voting for both performances at once.

Louis Morgan said...

Tahmeed:

Yes, but mostly because it made it so he could win the Globe therefore raised his overall profile in the race.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Do you intend to watch Bring Her Back later in the year. Sally Hawkins could be in the running for your Supporting Actress win.

Bryan L. said...

Louis: Your double features for 2017’s Best Picture nominees.

Louis Morgan said...

Regarding Mission Impossible. Wow, I usually think ego accusations are something that are jumped to too quickly in film criticism, but it is hard not to do with this bloated mess. Which seems weird given that Dead Reckoning underperformed a bit and had more criticism to it than either of the previous McQuarrie installments. But only ego can explain this needless bloated runtime where the amount you cut is immediately recognizable (the whole dud of a first act, the amount of time building the nuclear threat with the president, the amount of Ethan needing to have a “trust me” conversation, the convoluted Gabriel bits, the amount of looks to the point I might’ve applauded the troll if they had inserted ten more minutes of the team glancing at each other at the end of the film) and the amount of shirtless Cruise here. Forget all the STUPID retcons and all the waste in the opening, have instead, I don’t know, an actual set piece maybe. I mean if the films are designed around the stunts, why did they make it so hard to get to the stunts in this one? Once the film FINALLY gets to ripping off The Hunt for Red October and Cruise enters the submarine, the film finally came to life enough, even if the bloat continued and I did enjoy both of the major set pieces, particularly on a proper Imax screen, though I don’t think either were beyond belief to truly makeup for how long it took to get to them. What a needless overcomplication this one was and worse seems like Cruise/McQuarrie severely misunderstood what fans of the series care about. I didn't hate this, there was just enough that I liked, but I fully understand anyone who did with this one.

Cruise - 3
Atwell - 2.5
Rhames - 3
Pegg - 3
Morales - 2.5
Klementieff - 3
Czerny - 3
Bassett - 3
McCallany - 2
McTeer - 2.5
Offerman - 2
Waddingham - 2.5
Tillman - 3.5
Whigham - 2.5
Davis - 2.5
Parnell - 2.5
Gatiss - 2.5
Saxon - 3.5
Tulugarjuk - 3

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on the Submarine scene.

J96 said...

Louis, how do you rank the MI films, AND, do you having double feature pairings for any or each of them? I guess Hunt for Red October would be for MI8.

Matt Mustin said...

Louis: Thoughts on the Mission Impossible cast? I know there's not much to say about most of them.

Matt Mustin said...

Also, I watched The Great Escape. That is just a proper, good old-fashioned movie right there.

McQueen-4.5(Well, if you ever wondered why he became a star, just watch this)

Attenborough-4.5(Was he ever not great?)

Pleasence-4.5

Garner-4.5

Donald-3.5

Bronson-3.5(The accent is rough though, although he keeps it fairly consistent unlike someone else)

Leyton-3.5

Coburn-3(He's James Coburn, so he's still got that presence, but man that accent crosses three different continents within the same scene)

Messemer-3.5

McCallum-3

Jackson-3

Lennie-3

Robert MacFarlane said...

“Yes, this is what fans of M:I want: Continuity!”

No I don’t, bring back Ilsa you assholes

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

I'm sure I'll see it at some point.

Bryan:

The Shape of Water/Creature From the Black Lagoon
Call Me By Your Name/Happy Together
Darkest Hour/Dunkirk
Dunkirk/Darkest Hour
Get Out/Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Lady Bird/A Tree Grows in Brooklyn
Phantom Thread/The Heiress
The Post/All the President's Men
Three Billboards/Revanche

Luke:

I wish it wasn't so hard to get there...and I can't help but mention how much Cruise seemed to insist on showing off his physique, which felt just a little over the top in parts, particularly the torpedo entrance moment. But past that certainly impressive in its overall execution of really placing you just within the space and every second of the process. With the grand scale of it all indeed being quite impressive with a definite visceral quality in how tangible the space is filmed...but again the tissue to the scene being stronger would've made the scene stronger too.

Matt:

Cruise - (The Cruise control was a little off with this one, I don't know, he has fine moments but other times he really didn't quite hold the screen like he usually does as Ethan. I think part of it might be his chemistry here with everyone isn't as strong in places, as he doesn't get much time with Pegg for example, and he had WAY better "workwife" chemistry with Ferguson than Atwell. And even his hate chemistry with Morales didn't seem nearly as strong as what we got towards Harris or Cavill.)

Atwell - (Suffers even more now that she is essentially just the replacement writing wise for Ilsa, as she's no Ferguson. Also she doesn't have Vanessa Kirby to sell her biggest emotional reactions this time around...also where was Kirby at least?)

Rhames - (I hope he's doing okay, as the way they treated him here seemed quite strange to me otherwise. I still liked him and wish they didn't do what they did with it, but I thought Rhames did what he could with it.)

Pegg - (Fine but didn't stand out really here either.)

Morales - (Gabriel just is way too one note and Morales doesn't really find any variation in his own work either.)

Klementieff - (Did like her comedic bits when she had them particularly her scene with Pegg towards the end, but feel they could've had way more fun with her face turn.)

Czerny - (Eh used way better the first time though still does better with his exposition than certain co-stars.)

Bassett - (Does what she can but I didn't need her subplot.)

McCallany/Offerman - (Really hit false notes with their exposition.)

Waddingham/Gatiss/McTeer/Parnell - (Better than the previous two but don't really make an impact.)

Tillman - (NOW that's how you do it. Just brings as much flavor he can with every line he has and makes a wonderful impression in a role that could've been just a dull military type in different hands.)

Whigham - (Why? Not on him though, he's "in the movie").

Davis - (Not a particularly interesting new member.)

Saxon - (Okay, now this call back I did like. Saxon makes the most of getting a surprise call back by bringing this wonderful casual energy that brings with it so much earnest emotion in just playing each bit of his with this believable sort of contentment towards doing the right thing in his modest way. Really made me buy into his whole story instantly and found him so charming in just how relaxed he is.)

Tulugarjuk - (Liked her chemistry with Saxon and bought and invested in their relationship almost immediately. Brings a nice unexpected alternative energy that is appreciated given how deadly serious too much of this is.)

Louis Morgan said...

Also can we talk about the overuse of the bombs...it was a big deal in Fallout about containing those specific bombs, now suddenly Gabriel just has an infinite number of them? That just felt so lazy.

Matt Mustin said...

Louis: Well, they couldn't figure out how to escalate it after Fallout, (they just went "MOAR bombs, I guess?"), which suggests to me that that probably should've been the last one.

Calvin Law said...

As someone who liked the film more than you guys I will 100% concur the Whigham revelation is probably one of the stupidest and most unnecessary backstories I've seen in any blockbuster lately.

Matt Mustin said...

I wanted there to be SOME connection to Hunt, because in the last film Whigham played it as if there was , but they could've done better than that.

Robert MacFarlane said...

The Wigham reveal was insultingly dumb.

RatedRStar said...

I disliked Morales character in the first film and hate him here even more, also why was he suddenly playing a cartoon at the end, laughing and smirking like a Bond villain in the plane sequence when he had played it so one note earlier.

RatedRStar said...

Hayley Atwell kinda reminds me of Emilia Clarke in some ways, in that if you see her in interviews, she is so charming and full of life but when she acts its like shes forced to tone down all of that. I kinda wished she played it more tally ho rather than attempting to do a lesser Ferguson.

Tim said...

i didn't think much at all about the Whigham twist, mostly because it didn't go anywhere. Just as his entire character had nothing to do after that. "So, this is a thing now ... Bye!"

Louis Morgan said...

The Rehearsal's ending certainly was something else, and while maybe this was just one big scam I mean scheme for Fielder to get an advance piloting license on HBO's dime, I'll give him credit for crafting into a one of a kind, compelling, often hilarious exploration that I truly had no idea where it was going but couldn't stop from being captivated in each oddball if not unbelievable turn he took it in.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Do you plan to watch The Pitt?

Anonymous said...

Louis: What's your #1 TV show of the year so far?

J96 said...

Louis, thoughts on the trailer for Smoke on Apple TV + ?

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the finale's final scene, which I found rather melancholic.

Lucas: Can I get your take on the episode as well?

Harris Marlowe said...

Louis: What's your choice for the M:I entry with the best cinematography of the series, and why?

Matt Mustin said...

Harris: It's gotta be Fallout I think

Robert MacFarlane said...

I’d vote the first one myself

Tony Kim said...

It's either the first film or Rogue Nation for me.