Monday 2 September 2024

Alternate Best Supporting Actor 1988: Michael Keaton in Beetlejuice

Michael Keaton did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying Betelgeuse in Beetlejuice. 

Despite being called Beetlejuice, the film is in fact about a recently deceased couple the Maitlands (Alec Baldwin, Geena Davis) dealing with new living humans the Deetzs in their homes. 
Eventually the couple seeks help with the actual titular character, a "human buster" who specializes in getting rid of human infestations for ghosts. A character we only briefly see in the first act from behind seeing a new opportunity in the Maitlands as some sort of opportunity for himself. He appears more clearly as he performs a tv cowboy ad for the Maitlands selling his services like a bad used car salesman with phony energy right down to his western accent. He appears partially one more time to lure than eat fly as we get more of the craggy voice Keaton uses before he goes about devouring the protesting fly. He eventually appears past the halfway point when the Maitland's finally decide to potentially use him to scare out the new humans. 

And we have Keaton's full entrance, which has become such an iconic character for him that it is easy enough to forget he was mostly slightly off-beat lead before this performance, which is a complete transformation for him, not just for the rather extensive makeup. Keaton's performance is one all about energy as he just goes at the part of Betelgeuse full force for his technically brief screen time as the titular character, and goes all in. All in as a disgusting lout, where Keaton's whole manner is about as idiosyncratic as they come. From that voice again as a dead man, guttural to whatever comes out, though personally I think his funniest moments are when he shifts that up, and his physicality of the performance. There isn't a part of Keaton's body that he kind of just let's be, in the manner of which he stands with his gut forward, the way he saunters around as though to always be some kind of surprise, to particularly the way he cocks his neck around, with a kind of snake like demeanor even when he's not turning literally into a snake. His delivery to go along with this is rapid fire, in going from idiotic, to weirdly insightful, to accommodating, to crass, to complete perversion all in a matter of a few seconds as Keaton just plays around with the part fitting for a supernatural man whose had nothing but time to indulge himself, and seemingly make use of any mischief he can that amuses himself. Keaton's performance is just the ball of energy to what the film orbits, despite again not really being in the film all that much, but it doesn't matter because he is indeed captivating every second he's on, to the point he just infects everything with the Betelgeuse name because he is indeed so memorable. And part of this is of course just being funny by "taking the piss", for the lack of a better phrase, out of everyone and everything he sees. A favorite of mine being his rundown of his qualifications where Keaton goes to his most normal Keatonness if more refined, as he starts as a proper Juilliard actor, before quickly falling apart to every bit of viciousness of state in the black plague and just loving laughing at The Exorcist.

But even in that bit of comedy, which completely works as such, what Keaton also manages to do is create both an unpredictability in his performance and an unpredictability in the character. Although I wouldn't call it a full tone shift exactly, what Keaton is able to do is dance a bit in the darkness along with comedy to provide some sense of danger to the character even as he's more than a bit of a goofball. This is best represented when he is tasted by the Deetz's daughter Lydia (Winona Ryder) to save the Maitland's who are being exorcised, on the condition that she marries him in order for him to escape his current existence. All starting with the iconic line from the film "It's showtime", with such a perfect fiendish glee, along with his little dust off gesture before holding his arms as the ideal "I'm ready". And this is the showcase for Keaton who just is on throughout the sequence, from his fully creepy opening circus bit where he disposes of two of the guests, to the following purely hilarious voice change when noting "He won't do two shows a night", until being a different kind of creepy as he welcomes the Deetz's as his family before proceeding with the wedding. Something where again Keaton just is in this particular flow that is just so wonderfully specific in the amount of momentum he brings in every physical move, every vocal reaction to just everything, with particular highlights being his pondering his marriage before his casual yep, to his hilarious squeal when someone successfully says his name, to his callous yet sincere dismissing of his wife, whose ring...and finger he has. Keaton's great because he is the villain, he is the comic relief, he's even the hero all in the same scene. And as much as his screentime is limited, he does steal the show in with the character, which evidently he largely ad-libbed much of, and apparently even gave input into the specifics of his look. None of which is surprising given Keaton just is this role, in a way few actors are a role, where they instantly became a cinematic icon...which is no small feat.  

180 comments:

Matt Mustin said...

Iconic, simple as that.

Tim said...

"Nice fucking review!" *toot toot*

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Only around 15 minutes of screentime and he proved to be so iconic that they gave him a 94 episode cartoon a year later. I don't think any character has achieved more in that department.

Tim said...

your thoughts on Eberts's review for this film?

A said...

Have to admit, I was pretty shocked to see MacLachlan at #1 on your list.

Your thoughts on his performance in Twin Peaks?

Shaggy Rogers said...

I was eagerly awaiting this post. Finally a high evaluation of Louis Keaton's performance in a Burton film.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Has O'Hara moved up the Supporting Actress Ranking.

Luke Higham said...

And if so where would you rank her now.

Robert MacFarlane said...

The little tiny moment that bumps him to a 5 for me is when Lydia says she wants to die, his response is a genuine, confused "Why?" Just the tiniest spark of nuance to such a comical character. Also, it helps that much of his performance was ad-libbed. There really was not much in the original script for characterization outside Betelgeuse making off-handedly perverted comments. The only joke that survived that script was Otho's unwanted wardrobe change at the end. From what I understand Burton wanted a gifted improviser and gave Keaton carte blanche to play the role.

Louis Morgan said...

Note for the 2024 catchup, I'll give a ratings run down at the very end.

Tim:

Honestly he seemed stuck on the first few minutes of Davis and Baldwin being a normal couple and just wanted that movie, refusing to get that idea out of his head for the rest of the film. Not really giving enough credit for the inventiveness of the elements, he does praise but in the same way kind handwaves. But, I think the thing is, both he and Siskel just didn't find Keaton funny here, which it certainly is a "go for broke" performance filled with choices, so I *can* understand why someone wouldn't like his performance theoretically...but only theoretically.

A:

I'm fairly sure I gave thoughts on MacLachlan both in the original series and for the Return, back when the Return was running.

Luke:

Her placement is the same.

Lucas Saavedra said...

Louis: what would be your ratings and thoughts on the rest of the cast of Beetlejuice? Other than Baldwin, Davis and Ryder

Tony Kim said...

A: Just for future reference, if you want to see if Louis has given his thoughts on a performance already, I'd recommend Googling "site:actoroscar.blogspot.com [actor name] [film title]".

Deiner said...

Love him and the movie as a whole.

Jonathan Williams said...

Thoughts on the makeup, costume design and production design.

Bryan L. said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Hackman v. Hoffman in Runaway Jury?

https://youtu.be/8UReTO_2y6g?si=OvmMIPFPM071R748

Jonathan Williams said...

Louis: What did you think of the Nightbitch trailer.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Mickey's theme from Rocky III.

8000S said...

Louis: How do you think Welles would have fared as either Teddy Roosevelt or Bill Taft in a biopic?

Glenn said...

Luke: What are your current Oscar predictions.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Could I have your thoughts on this performance of "Purple Rain" by Prince at the Super Bowl?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lElCzhjiPX8

Bryan L. said...

Tahmeed: I happened to be watching that the other day. Definitely one of the best halftime shows. Plus, it was RAINING.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Bryan: It definitely is one of the best live performances I've ever seen...and now that I think about it, would probably be an excellent climax (or a framing device for his whole life if written by Anthony McCarten) for a Prince biopic.

Bryan L. said...

Tahmeed: “Prince has to think about his whooole life before he gets on that stage.”

Luke Higham said...

I'll leave out Picture for the time being but The Brutalist looks like the frontrunner to me at the moment.

Director
Brady Corbet - The Brutalist
Edward Berger - Conclave
Sean Baker - Anora
Denis Villenueve - Dune: Part II
Steve McQueen - Blitz

Actor
Ralph Fiennes - Conclave
Adrien Brody - The Brutalist
Daniel Craig - Queer
Colman Domingo - Sing Sing
Timothée Chalamet - A Complete Unknown

Actress
Angelina Jolie - Maria
Saoirse Ronan - The Outrun
Mikey Madison - Anora
Karla Sofía Gascón - Emilia Pérez
Julianne Moore - The Room Next Door

Supporting Actor
Denzel Washington - Gladiator II
Kieran Culkin - A Real Pain
Guy Pearce - The Brutalist
Stanley Tucci - Conclave
Edward Norton - A Complete Unknown

Supporting Actress
Danielle Deadwyler - The Piano Lesson
Zoe Saldana - Emilia Pérez
Tilda Swinton - The Room Next Door
Saoirse Ronan - Blitz
Isabella Rossellini - Conclave

Louis Morgan said...

Lucas:

O'Hara - (O'Hara doesn't actually play strictly into the type that makes I think a more dynamic presence because of it. It would've been easy enough to be this one note haughty yuppie type, but O'Hara never goes for such a simplistic note. Rather she frequently plays more self-deluded within her prowess and abilities as a decorator. Where the comedy within her performance is to her reactions that aren't typically one note and more so a variation in the way she accentuates minor concerns. As I think a different performer might've played just snobbish then scared, but O'Hara plays around it with multiple notions effectively in creating a character that is beyond the standard type.)

Jonathan

The production design is kind of the emergence of the full Burton where Pee Wee's Big Adventure still had specific Pee Wee related qualities, this is completely Burton where you get the combination between the Gothic and the surreal suburban. As even the idyllic version of the house is designed in its way, though of course far from the over designs by what it turns into that is distinct in its kitch. Combined of course with even the model, with the set model which is a great bit of work. Then the bizarre yet cohesive designs of the waiting room of the afterlife, which has such a unique impact as mundane in some sense but wild at the same time. Something that shouldn't work, but completely does.

The makeup and hairstyling is so much of the film, with the iconic creation of Beetlejuice himself to be enough worthy of its Oscar win, but that's nothing compared to the various forms of decay of the undead. There is just carte blanche with all the variations, some fantastical, some gruesome, but always striking and utterly convincing in whatever it is trying to do.

The costumes are about contrasts though really three different contrasts. As you have the homey Maitlands that are just the most normal costumes nearly ever got in a Burton film. The Deetz's and Otho, in part each have their own particular style from Goth Lydia, to the faux stylish of the wannabe decorators that instantly tell you much about them. But really this about the afterlife costumes which again are all over the place and all eye-catching in their own ways. And of course there are Beetlejuice's characters, from his ramshackled ones that are matching to his style, to his extremely iconic pinstripe suit that seems like perfect Beetlejuice and even his red tux. Every one of the costumes are memorable and help in his iconic status.

Bryan:

Shame about Hoffman's somewhat stilted southern accent, which leaves him just that much less than Hackman who dominates the scene more than he probably should. Still it's great to see the matchup between the two old buddies. And honestly it is probably the best scene in that film because it is mostly just having the two throw passion at each other, with Hoffman as the righteous indignation against Hackman who just owns his character's ability to own his methods and immorality. Hackman is such a great salesman for the nearly nihilistic worldview and just accentuates it with such blunt honesty rather than an overt villainy that makes every word he says sing in a way few could ever try to do as well as Hackman.

Jonathan:

Uhh...I would hope given Heller's track record that this all comes together in context, but just from this trailer alone it looks like it could be a complete tonal misfire and certainly didn't give me much hope as any kind of awards player. From this it just looks ridiculous but not in a good way. Not writing off the film entirely though, as maybe it is just hard to sell as a trailer...maybe.

8000's:

I mean he'd sure make a go of either, I'd say Taft would probably make more sense for his general type than Roosevelt...who frequently is a tough cast. Though a Taft biopic would be trickier than Roosevelt...which has so much material that you'd think someone would make a great one...someday.

Louis Morgan said...

I have to say in regards to Venice The Brutalist shot to the top of my most anticipated list for the rest of the year...particularly as I saw massive praise from people who hated Vox Lux.

Tahmeed:

I mean one of the few spine tingling live performances I could possibly name, from Prince's own performance of course, particularly how casually he says "Can I play this Guitar" before unleashing his talent, to the intended staging of the Silhouette making him truly larger than life, to the utter command of the crowd, to of course nature itself providing just that extra bit of epic through actual rain, just extraordinary...and indeed the ideal McCarten climax.

Luke:

Gorgeous elegy that has such a beautiful combination between somber and wistful through the mix of the strings and woodwind blending as this combination of happiness and sadness. Particularly the way it builds within the gentle piano before coming into each portion as such striking rise in the scoring that is magnificent.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: If you end up loving it, would it change your mind on seeing Childhood Of A Leader at some point.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: I'm not sure if it'll show up in your predictions but thoughts on Joker's reviews and do you have any intent on seeing it.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Not necessarily. The Holdovers didn't suddenly make Payne's misfires work.

It sounds like it's polarizing again, though with less raves to its name, which given how much the academy went for the first one, I wouldn't completely count it out, just like how you couldn't count out Vice despite it's mediocre reception because of how much they went for The Big Short. Though I do think it is more likely to be a "bottom of the ten" film, unless the reviews get even more negative in wide release. Additionally even if it fully falls by the wayside, I could see Lawrence Sher still making a play in cinematography based on the trailers, so I'll probably see it sooner than later.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: You wouldn't mind if I might possibly recommend it in December.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Speaking of Prince, what're your thoughts on his original song "Kiss"?

Jonathan: That trailer was odd in that Searchlight seems to not know how to market the film at all; it seemed like they were downplaying or almost hiding the basic premise.

Calvin Law said...

My current predictions:

Director
Jacques Audiard - Emilia Perez
Sean Baker - Anora
Brady Corbet - The Brutalist
Steve McQueen - Blitz
Denis Villenueve - Dune: Part II

Actor
Adrien Brody - The Brutalist
Timothée Chalamet - A Complete Unknown
Daniel Craig - Queer
Colman Domingo - Sing Sing
Ralph Fiennes - Conclave

Actress
Karla Sofía Gascón - Emilia Pérez
Angelina Jolie - Maria
Mikey Madison - Anora
Fernanda Torres - I’m Still Here
Zendaya - Challengers

Supporting Actor
Yura Borisov - Anora
Kieran Culkin - A Real Pain
Samuel L. Jackson - The Piano Lesson
Clarence Maclin - Sing Sing
Denzel Washington - Gladiator II

Supporting Actress
Joan Chen - Dìdi
Danielle Deadwyler - The Piano Lesson
Aunjanue Ellis-Taylor - Nickel Boys
Saoirse Ronan - Blitz
Zoe Saldana - Emilia Pérez

Calvin Law said...

Louis: would you regard MacKay in The Beast as Lead, Supporting or borderline/uncertain?

BRAZINTERMA said...

My predictions:

SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Joan Chen - Dìdi
Danielle Deadwyler - The Piano Lesson
Saoirse Ronan - Blitz
Isabella Rossellini - Conclave
Zoe Saldaña - Emilia Perez

SUPPORTING ACTOR
Kieran Culkin - A Real Pain
Samuel L. Jackson - The Piano Lesson
Clarence Maclin - Sing Sing
Edward Norton - A Complete Unknown
Stanley Tucci - Conclave

LEAD ACTRESS
Amy Adams - Nightbitch
Karla Sofía Gascón - Emilia Pérez
Angelina Jolie - Maria
Mikey Madison - Anora
Fernanda Torres - I’m Still Here (My heart bet)

LEAD ACTOR
Adrien Brody - The Brutalist
Timothée Chalamet - A Complete Unknown
Daniel Craig - Queer
Colman Domingo - Sing Sing
Ralph Fiennes - Conclave

DIRECTOR
Jacques Audiard
Sean Baker
Edward Berger
Steve McQueen
Denis Villeneuve

PICTURE
Anora
Blitz
The Brutalist
A Complete Unknown
Conclave
Dune: Part Two
Emilia Pérez
Gladiator 2
Joker: Folie à Deux
A Real Pain

Luke Higham said...

I don't have Jackson in my predictions at the moment because I've read in the reviews that compared to Deadwyler and Ray Fisher, his presence in the film is reduced to what he was in the play.

With Chen, I'm waiting for awards season to see how she fares.

I'm actually rather comfortable with the Lead Actor 5 being the Academy's 5.

Luke Higham said...

I've finally watched Napoleon: Director's Cut. Accepting that it's more in line with a Braveheart than Master and Commander, it's a strong epic once again from Ridley Scott though I do agree that a limited series would've been more satisfying. Vanessa Kirby gives her best film work to date, an exceptional performance that is close in making my Lead Actress top 5. Phoenix was more of a mixed bag. I liked the majority of his scenes with Kirby but on the battlefield, he doesn't exude all that much charisma to give the viewer belief that so many were willing to fight and die for him.

Louis: Before you finish the roundup, please check it out. I've been dying to get your thoughts and ranking on those two performances.

Jonathan Williams said...

Louis: What did you think of the Nickel Boys trailer.

Omar Franini said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Bonello’s score and the piece “Salon de thé”?

If you have time could you also give a watch to Sterben (Dying)? It was released online last week and it’s worth watching at least for the cast.

Tony Kim said...

Luke: Given that he reportedly did uncredited rewrites, did you notice anything particularly PTA-esque about it?

Luke Higham said...

Tony: Didn't take much notice of it at first, if it is true though I'm aware he did some work on Killers Of The Flower Moon.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis: Would you be interested in checking out Kaos?

Tony Kim said...

Luke: Yeah, I know about the KOTFM thing as well. Some of the more heightened scenes in that film (the paddling, "he's saving you, dumb boy") seems to come from his pen in retrospect.

Anonymous said...

Luke, ratings for the cast.

Luke Higham said...

Phoenix - 4
Kirby - 5
Everett - 4
The rest are a collective 3 to 3.5

Robert MacFarlane said...

I kind of loved Beetlejuice Beetlejuice. You can tell Burton was having fun again, the entire cast was infectious.

Matt Mustin said...

Robert: Who's your MVP?

Robert MacFarlane said...

I’m actually leaning towards Ryder and the neurotic pathos she brings (also being a very funny straight man).

Tony Kim said...

Robert: What would be your ratings for the Beetlejuice 2 cast, and are Keaton and Ortega lead?

Robert MacFarlane said...

Tony: I don’t really do ratings for performances, but gune to my head:

Ryder: 4.5
Keaton: 4
Ortega: 3.5
O’Hara: 4
Conti: 4 (biggest surprise)
Theroux: 3.5
Bellucci: 3
Dafoe: 3

Ryder the sole lead.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis and everybody: Your thoughts on this, specifically the accuracy of these voices?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DM4RMo0R2Vc&pp=ygUgamFtZXMgYXJub2xkIHRheWxvciBpbXByZXNzaW9ucyA%3D

RatedRStar said...

Ytrewq: Some are decent, some arent, but I have to respect that he is doing them on the spot so I think its fairly impressive.

I will always love that James Arnold Taylor voiced Tidus in Final Fantasy 10 and actually did a better job than he got credit for considering the wrongful hate he got for the infamous laughing scene.

Shaggy Rogers said...

Hey Louis and guys.
The Venice Film Festival 2024 is coming to an end, so tell us your predictions for tomorrow's winners? My bets:
Golden Lion: The Brutalist
Silver Lion (for Best Direction): Wang Bing - Youth (Homecoming)
Volpi Cup for Best Actor: Daniel Craig - Queer
Volpi Cup for Best Actress: Angelina Jolie - Maria

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Have you thought of any favourite songs you were introduced to through their uses as music cues? Just a top 10 is fine if there are too many to list.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Your modern cast and director for a more faithful adaptation of East of Eden?

Luke Higham said...

Tahmeed: Funny you should mention that, I heard Netflix are re-adapting it.

Louis Morgan said...

Regarding Beetlejuice Beetlejuice few films have caused me to flip flop between "I like this" and "I don't like this" as frequently as this film, within given scenes, within given moments. I'd say I preferred when it was doing its own thing and less nostalgic moments, however at the same time I preferred when it was doing practical's and not when it was doing CGI. Honestly comedy wise, at least verbal comedy, the film sometimes fell flat, visually it did better, with Keaton underutilized theoretically in that respect as his titular character is far more plot driven this time around. In fact the whole thing is more plot driven, however when more plot driven, with the random afterlife asides is when the film worked best for me, or when just Keaton was doing his thing...because who doesn't like Keaton doing his thing other than Siskel and Ebert. But even without Keaton there was one particular forward momentum element that I loved, and really loved where that also left Lydia and our titular deadman. I had enough fun overall, to say I had fun, even if there were moments that were groaners for me, and the extended Macarthur Park bit...just didn't work for me...though part of me loves Richard Harris having such a featured role in a 2024 film...I less enjoyed what it actually was particularly since Betelgeuse didn't do song possession originally...nor subtitles...not my favorite additions particularly since it kept us from more Keaton line deliveries. 

Also Bob deserved better... 

Ryder - 4
Keaton - 4
Ortega - 3.5
O'Hara - 3.5
Conti - 4
Theroux - 3
Bellucci - 2.5
Dafoe - 3

Robert MacFarlane said...

Oh, you were just as surprised by Conti as I was.

Louis Morgan said...

Calvin:

Borderline, but I lean lead since it is such a two-hander overall.

Jonathan:

From the reviews I'm guessing that the overt POV works, however just from the trailer alone I'm not sold as of yet.

Omar:

The score, which is very sparsely used, however impacts effectively in the way it too exchanges itself per period in its own though reflective of a common progression that bends and blends in its style naturally through time. "Salon de thé" is particularly reflective of this idea, almost trying to rediscover the more classical portion of the score, with the more dissonant wavering elements contrasting with bits of the classical in the piano's progression that rather wonderfully reflects the central idea within the film itself.

Sure.

Ytrewq:

I mean with TV, sure, but the same is true with several series I haven't gotten to.

Some great, some good, some okay, some eh...

Tony:

Across 110th Street (Jackie Brown)
Little Green Bag (Reservoir Dogs)
Nightcall (Drive)
Symphony No. 2 in E Minor, Op. 27 (Birdman)
On the Nature of Daylight (Shutter Island)
The Melanesian Chants (The Thin Red Line)
Fare Thee Well (Inside Llewyn Davis)
In Dreams (Blue Velvet)
Crying (Mulholland Drive)...safe to say Lynch caused my own Orbison obsession.
If I Can Dream (Elvis)...I'll give the film credit. I somehow had never caught that Elvis Ballad that one until then.

Robert:

Definitely, story wise, also my favorite aspect of the film.

Louis Morgan said...

Tahmeed:

East of Eden directed by James Gray

Young Adam: Harris Dickinson
Young Cathy: Daisy Edgar-Jones
Charles: George Mackay
Samuel Hamilton: Brendan Gleeson
Lee: Ke Huy Quan
Will Hamilton: Brian Gleeson
Older Adam: Edward Norton
Older Cathy: Samantha Morton
Cal: Dominic Sessa
Aron: Charlie Plummer

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your thoughts on these South Park episodes

Major Boobage
About Last Night
Butters' Bottom Bitch

8000S said...

Louis: Regarding Roosevelt, maybe you could probably do a trilogy of films about his life, since he's easily one of the most interesting Americans who ever lived.

Considering one of his opponents in a race to be NYC mayor was famous economist Henry George, who would you pick to play George?

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Your top 10 film soundtracks?

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on the Venice award winners.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Episode built mainly on the alternative animation which after the initial joke I actually got a bit tired of, though I do think Gerald's press conference is a pretty funny end to him.

About Last Night has semi-funny bit in Randy's overenthusiasm however becomes repetitious as does the worrying McCain supporters. The idea of the heist is funnier than I think is executed.

Butters becoming a pimp is funny enough on its own but does manage to go further with the concept than that in slowly getting more extreme along with the rather "deep cover" cop bit also doing the same.

Tony:

Entirely preexisting music soundtracks?

8000's:

There is indeed much to cover, again if only Herzog would get into his head to make Roosevelt's near fatal Amazon expedition.

David Denman

Luke:

A bit surprised by the win The Room Next Door, though tis the nature of the small jury system, given that the film has gotten positive but not extremely glowing reviews. Maybe this gives it enough momentum to do more...but not so sure given the "it's good not great" it's mostly gotten so far.

The main winners I see likely doing anything overall is The Brutalist (though curious to see who will be its US distributor) and Kidman for Babygirl...though I think that will probably be more likely a case of a sole passion nominee type deal as it doesn't sound like the film itself will be a major player.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Entirely or mostly, yes. If you have any favourite soundtracks that primarily feature original music, I'll ask about them separately.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Oh and speaking of music, thoughts on these original songs?

Prince - Kiss
The Byrds - Ballad of Easy Rider
Bob Dylan - Knockin' on Heaven's Door

Mitchell Murray said...

8000s: As the resident Teddy fanboy, I wouldn't be opposed to a three part trilogy either - before presidency, during presidency, after presidency.

Fun fact: We have recordings of Roosevelt's voice, and much like Lincoln, it was unexpected high and sing-songy for someone of his stature/personality.

8000S said...

Mitchell: Well, I'm quite sure I've shown those clips here.

But hey, goes well with Teddy's idea to speak "softly and carry a big stick."

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Mitchell: Yeah, I was not expecting a larger than life figure like him to sound like someone who I could imagine hanging out with Scrooge McDuck.

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Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the Napoleon cast and where would you rank Phoenix and Kirby for Lead Actor and Actress 2023.

Luke Higham said...

I'm glad you liked Everett more on the re-watch.

Calvin Law said...

Louis: is there any chance of Joan Chen going up for The Last Emperor for you? (I believe last time I checked she was a 4)

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Matt Mustin said...

Beetlejuice Beetlejuice is Burton"s best film in at least 20 years. Ryder is legit fantastic. Keaton hasn't lost a step. HILARIOUS how mean they were to Jeffrey Jones' character.

Matt Mustin said...

Ryder-4.5
Keaton-4
Ortega-3.5
O'Hara-3.5
Theroux-3
Conti-4
Bellucci-2.5
Dafoe-3

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on The Wild Robot's reviews.

Luke Higham said...

RIP James Earl Jones
Only after watching his Fences clip as well. Astonishing presence, all-time great voice, will be sorely missed.

Anonymous said...

R.I.P. James Earl Jones. One of the finest to ever do it.

8000S said...

R.I.P. James Earl Jones.

One of the greatest voices ever.

Jonathan Williams said...

RIP James Earl Jones

J96 said...

Rest In Peace King James Earl Jones. The Absolute GOAT! Oh the GIANTS we are losing.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

RIP James Earl Jones.

RatedRStar said...

R.I.P. James Earl Jones.

A said...

R.I.P. James Earl Jones.

Razor said...

RIP James Earl Jones.

Tim said...

R.I.P. Great King of the past

Matt Mustin said...

RIP the LEGENDARY James Earl Jones

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Does anyone know where I could find live filmed theatrical performances? I've been going down a bit of a rabbit-hole trying to find Jones's full-length performance in Fences, as just the few excerpts of it online leaves no doubt that it is monumental work.

Luke Higham said...

Unlikely, they performed that scene at the Tony Awards.

8000S said...

Louis: What's so interesting about Nakadai's character in The Human Condition trilogy is that it's more or less Kobayashi himself. Much like Nakadai's character, Kobayashi was a pacifist and a socialist.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Hearing about the PTA rumors actually makes a lot of sense, as the Josephine/Napoleon scenes, and anything related to them, do play as though they are a completely different movie, in fact in many ways something closer to Phantom Thread.

Anyway...

Phoenix - (His performance is a failing of the film though I don't think everything he is trying to do fails. In his scenes with Kirby, playing the stunted note of the man who has no sense with how to deal with women or pleasing them, Phoenix artfully hits his comedic note and plays well the internalized repression that often reveals itself as this messy aggression. The problem is this isn't a juxtaposition and Napoleon seems as lost, despite his evident military mastery, as when he's at home. Phoenix has no bravado, he has no charm, he has no charisma, he has nothing that would make you say, this guy is the leader of men, the man who his troops will sacrifice their lives, allow for further wars for. There is nothing that makes him Emperor material, and this is Emperor by sheer will, yet there is no will, just kind of a malaise that makes honestly not sense for the character, which is in writing as well, but isn't helped by Phoenix's performance. In the scene where he wins over his troops, or leads them in the final charge, both Phoenix seem like a bit of driftwood, not someone who can rewrite history.)

Kirby - 4.5(She does have the ideal spot in the film because she's only in the section that is intended for their relationship so there isn't that same kind of shifting quality. Kirby is very effective in the role regardless of how the relationship is placed within the film by bringing this specific command of her sexuality within her performance. Showing that extreme opposite from Napoleon and playing effectively between the moments of where she might seem to genuinely care about Napoleon, might find him reprehensible, or just completely manipulating him. I think Kirby effectively makes the element the most to something like Phantom Thread, because she doesn't make a singular choice to make the character only one thing. Kirby instead naturally shows the moments of her genuinely just manipulating him, being fed up with him or caring for him. She makes them all true, without compromising any one of them which is quite the trick to pull off, yet Kirby does it with ease. Kirby though manages to bring the right subtle depth within her moments to not completely forget one note for another note, she creates an elegance within the character that makes her singular even in a film that is constantly not exactly on sure footing. The only shame is the film doesn't entirely own up to the idea of the character being as dominant as she could be in the narrative, though again because she is in kind of a different film than much of the historical elements.)

Rahim and Needham are probably the best of the "incidental" performances, although both suffer because the characters aren't given enough to be something more than footnotes, and is an example where composite characters probably would've been better than constantly changing who Napoleon is working with, particularly given that Scott didn't care about historical accuracy.

Everett - (Everett I wouldn't actually say has that much more to do than the various parade of other Napoleon allies and enemies, but what he does do is own Wellington's personality as the pompous Englishman to such an extent that he elevates it by bringing some much needed alternative personality, rather than slightly burdened man that most of the side characters are. Everett wonderfully plays up a man with a bit more grace with his manner who enjoys the game and challenge, accentuating every moment of his glory in defeating Napoleon as just a joy to watch, because you see how he very much relishes it in his way.)

Glad it's well received, I suppose.

Louis Morgan said...

Tony:

Amadeus
Goodfellas
Pulp Fiction
Boogie Nights
The Royal Tenenbaums
Drive
The Holdovers
The Quiet Man
Reservoir Dogs
Inside Llewyn Davis

Calvin:

Hey, I mean you want me to watch The Last Emperor again, I'll take that as an excuse to do so.

Tahmeed:

I believe Broadway plays are recorded for archival purposes, so maybe they'll release it...some day.

Tony:

I would say in general I probably prefer non-Falsetto Prince, having said that has a nice a rhythm with the electric percussion and in a way the way Prince sings the song, with his particularly erotically charged lyrics here without technically being explicit, has this kind percussive quality that goes with beat as a punctuation with it directly. And nicely plays around with its style, in bringing in the other voices that is a fantastic touch along with the additional instrumentation, meanwhile the lyrics very playfully change every different topic that he can ignore.

The Ballad of Easy Rider is an interesting cover not cover, as it is The Byrds who covered Dylan, working with Dylan to some extent, and I think what you get for me isn't quite either exactly. As the instrumentation style almost feels like an attempt to be closer to Dylan than say their version of Hey Tambourine man, and the lyrics I'd say aren't exactly as good as the best of Dylan...which this isn't exactly either. Having said that, even if finding the lyrics a little "easy" here in the attempted poem, it has a pleasant enough "flow" to reference the song with the gentleness of it, that I still don't dislike it but not one I seek out.

Speaking of the undiluted real deal, here I love the lyrics speaking towards the film itself particularly effectively as the pathos of a man no longer having purpose and filled with shame as he's "Knockin on Heaven's Door". Beautifully written though instrumentally as it manages to be upbeat in the titular lyric in its way, but the backing of the voices, almost create this haunting counter to reflect the nature of the lyrics and get away with such an exciting lament.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Where would you rank Kirby in your top 20 for Best Actress 2023.

Louis Morgan said...

She would be supporting for me, even with the slightly expanded POV in the director's cut, and would be #6.

Jonathan Williams said...

Louis: What did you think of James Earl Jones in The Lion King.

Glenn said...

Luke, which films from 2024 do you see as Louis's best picture choice.

Luke Higham said...

Glenn: Nosferatu or The Brutalist. And I predict the former to get an instant 5 star rating.

Bryan L. said...

Louis et al: Thoughts on the trailer for The Apprentice?

Tim said...

Bryan: looks like a mixture of Cosmopolis and Spencer with a satirical edge. That is not a good thing.

Louis Morgan said...

Jonathan:

Gravitas incarnate in a singular voice, though what I think Jones does so well with it is as domineering as his voice is, he does deliver a natural sense of warmth, even playfulness in his early scenes with Simba, and even sells the betrayal. He creates a powerful father but not an intangible one.

Bryan:

Strong and Stan look promising enough, though the actual film looks like it could either way, as maybe biting in the right way, or biting in a way that just becomes repetitive or too obvious. We'll see.

J96 said...

Louis, your top 10 Best and Worst Original Screenplay Winners? And for the worst, who should have won instead?

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Dennis and Dee doing impressions on Always Sunny, and Howerton's one of CCH Pounder?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRB8JKMExtc&ab_channel=PaulieIASIP

Tony Kim said...

J96: For your first question, he gave 'em here - https://actoroscar.blogspot.com/2019/02/alternate-best-actor-2013.html

Louis Morgan said...

J96:

To update which have changed a little since then, also Parasite hadn't won yet.

Original Screenplay:

Best:

1. Chinatown
2. Citizen Kane
3. Pulp Fiction
4. Fargo
5. Parasite
6. Sunset Boulevard
7. Network
8. On the Waterfront
9. Dog Day Afternoon
10. The Apartment

Worst:

1. Crash (Good Night and Good Luck)
2. American Beauty (Magnolia)
3. An American in Paris (Ace in the Hole)
4. Interrupted Melody (Haven't seen the competition)
5. Guess Who's Coming to Dinner (Bonnie and Clyde)
6. Green Book (The Favourite)
7. The Bachelor and the Bobby-Soxer (A Double Life)
8. Lost in Translation (Dirty Pretty Things)
9. Coming Home (Autumn Sonata)
10. The Seventh Veil (Children of Paradise)

Tahmeed:

One of the greatest moments of the history of television? Hyperbole? Maybe, but Dennis would disagree. For the perfection of Howerton's impression, that I'm sure the scene was designed just to showcase that but hilarious beyond it particularly for Frank being so impressed then correctly describing her role on The Shield despite not knowing who she was.

J96 said...

Nice List Louis! So how would you do the same for Adapted Screenplay?

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Since you're not a fan of the Citizen Kane supporting cast outside of Cotten, which actors from that era would you have preferred in those roles?

Shaggy Rogers said...

Hey Louis
Two questions:
- When do you plan to return to the 1977 films?
- After 77, will there be another one that will be revised or will it go to Backlog Vol. 6?

Luke Higham said...

Shaggy: He'll probably put the next year on hold during December.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: I personally think you could move on after seeing Evil Does Not Exist, Monkey Man, Fancy Dance and We Grown Now.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: I've come to terms that you probably won't get around to this mini-series so can I have your thoughts on this scene.
youtube.com/watch?v=CFa4UNmdEhg&pp=ygUcY2hhcmxlcyBpaSBwb3dlciBhbmQgcGFzc2lvbg%3D%3D

Perfectionist said...

Everyone: might be a little late to ask this question, but what's your guys' most favorite performance from The Thin Red Line??? For me, it might still be Elias Koteas' Captain James Staros.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Perfectionist: I'd rank them (all 5's)

Koteas > Penn > Caviezel > Nolte

Matt Mustin said...

Perfectionist: Nolte is my favourite and my Supporting Actor win

Robert MacFarlane said...

Koteas for me. On rewatch I found his performance hitting me even deeper than the first time.

Tony Kim said...

Louis, what do you think of the trailers for La Cocina and Hard Truths?

Razor said...

Luke: Evil Does Not Exist is a 2024 film?

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Perfectionist: I'll rank them as well, for me it's Nolte > Caviezel > Koteas > Penn

Luke Higham said...

Razor: Never mind, didn't realize it actually had some 2023 release dates.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Given that Phoenix would probably back out half way through, do you have any other choices among modern actors for a Montgomery Clift biopic?

Louis Morgan said...

J96:

Best:

1. Amadeus
2. The Godfather Part II
3. The Godfather
4. L.A. Confidential
5. Casablanca
6. All The President's Men
7. The Bridge on the River Kwai
8. The Treasure of Sierra Madre
9. Schindler's List
10. The Last Emperor

Worst:

1. Cimarron (Little Caesar)
2. Gigi (The Horse's Mouth)
3. The Big House (All the Quiet on the Western Front)
4. The Descendants (Tinker Tailor Solider Spy)
5. The Big Short (The Martian)
6. Slumdog Millionaire (Frost/Nixon)
7. The Cider House Rules (The Insider)
8. Around The World in 80 Days (Giant)
9. Out of Africa (Kiss of the Spider Woman)
10. Coda (Drive My Car)

Tony:

Although I eased a bit on them after my cinema viewing.

Susan Alexander: Claire Trevor
Mr. Bernstein: Jack Albertson
Thatcher: Claude Rains

Luke:

Well all I can say is terrific delivery by Sewell in terms of bringing understated yet absolutely potent gravitas with a seeming ease.

Tony:

Well including "The Bear on Steroids" is quite the claim, unless we're talking season 3, then it would barely even be muscular...Anyway, falls into the intense concept in terms of both style and story, the question is does that reveal something within that, or it just the style. Regardless somewhat striking and certainly interested.

Well looks like quite the far cry from Jean-Baptiste's Oscar nominated turn directed by Leigh, and her performance certainly looks most promising. The film itself is on Leigh's methods, which means, does it ramble about, does it occasionally find something, or does it consistently find something like this best work. From the trailer, could be any of them.

Louis Morgan said...

Tahmeed:

Robert Pattinson maybe, James McAvoy if "old" Clift only.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Thoughts on Brando's rendition of "The dogs of war" from Julius Caesar, and any chance he could get upgraded for it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BORI9BIT04&ab_channel=EmersionX

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Luke Higham said...

Louis: Can I have your thoughts on these scenes from HBO's Rome.

youtube.com/watch?v=pqAled94R0w&pp=ygUScm9tZSBjYWVzYXIgYnJ1dHVz

youtube.com/watch?v=Jd8QcwLngVc&pp=ygUPY2Flc2FyIHJvbWUgaGJv

youtube.com/watch?v=CWdHSQ0Q9BY&pp=ygUWTHVjaXVzIHZvcmVudXMgZXJhc3Rlcw%3D%3D

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on Roland Emmerich making a Lawrence Of Arabia series.

J96 said...

Louis, your too 10 Best and Worst Supporting Actress Winners? Top 10 Best losers overall? Top 10 weakest nominees?

Louis Morgan said...

Okay moving back to the 70's now and the rating breakdown for the catchup:

The Beast:

Seydoux - 4.5

I Saw the TV Glow:

Smith - 2.5
Lundy-Paine - 4

Wicked Little Letters:

Colman - 3.5
Buckley - 4
Vasan - 3
Spall - 3

Rebel Ridge:

Pierre - 4
Johnson - 4
Robb - 2.5
Denman - 3
Cohen - 2.5
Jhé - 3

Dead Don't Hurt:

Krieps - 4
Mortensen - 4
Huston - 3
Dillahunt - 3
McKinnon - 3
McLeod - 3

Civil War:

Dunst - 2
Moura - 2
Spaeny - 2.5
Henderson - 4
Offerman - 3
Plemons - 4

Inside Out 2:

Poehler - 3.5
Hawke - 4
Tallman - 3.5
Lapira - 3
Hale - 3
Black - 3
Smith - 3
Edebiri - 3
Exarchopoulos - 3
Hauser - 3
Squibb - 3

Ghostlight:

de Leon - 4.5
Kupferer - 3
Mallen - 3

Laapataa Ladies:

Goel - 4
Ranta - 3.5
Shrivastav - 3.5
Kadam - 3.5
Kishan - 4

The First Omen:

Free - 4.5
Ineson - 3.5
Braga - 3.5
Dance - 3
Nighy - 3

Fancy Dance:

Gladstone - 4.5
DeRoy-Olson - 4
Whigham - 3.5
Wasilewski - 2.5

Young Woman and The Sea:

Ridley - 2.5
Eccelston - 2
Graham - 3
Cobham-Hervey - 3
Bodnia - 3
Hain - 3
Fleshler - 3

Sometimes I think About Dying:

Ridley - 4
Merheje - 3.5

Dying:

Eidinger - 4
Stangenberg - 5
Harfouch - 4
Gwisdek - 4
Zehrfeld - 3.5
Rosendahl - 3.5
Bederke - 3.5
Bauer - 3.5

Monkey Man:

Patel - 4
Pitobash - 3
Kher - 3
Dhulipala - 3
Deshpande - 3
Kalsekar - 3.5
Copley - 3

Anonymous said...

Louis: Thoughts on all the leading performances.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Can I have thoughts on your 5, 4.5s, 4s and 3.5s

Category placements for Buckley, Mortensen, Hawke, Deroy-Olson, Eidinger, Strangenberg, Harfouch and Gwisdek.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Ratings & Thoughts on the cast of Janet Planet?

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Category Placement for Okonedo.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis: It's a good thing that you don't seem to be very eager to watch The Instigators as a part of catchup, I saw it a few days ago and it cured me of the sleep disorders I never knew I had.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Do you intend on watching The Penguin.

Anonymous said...

Louis, have you saved anybody other than MacKay.

RujK said...

Hi, I have been rewatching The Return and was interested to read Louis' thoughts on MacLachlan's, Lynch's and Ferrer's performances in it, but I have been unable to find them- I used the "site:actoroscar.blogspot.com" system. Does anybody know on which post I could find these thoughts?

Omar Franini said...

Louis: I’m glad you loved Sterben, although I’m a bit surprised by the “low” ratings for Eidinger and Harfouch. The latter is an instant 5 for me just for the long conversation sequence, your thoughts on that scene?

I would also give Zehrfeld a higher rating than you, his presence and chemistry with Stangenberg is what makes her performance so great.
What did you think of the “bloody” dentist sequence?

Tony Kim said...

Luke: I strongly doubt Emmerich's project will ever get off the ground.

Shaggy Rogers said...

Louis: Your #6-#10 for Director in 1988.
And what are your Top 20 performances in Tim Burton's films? Just take out Ladau in Ed Wood, everyone knows that would be #1, just so it's not too obvious.

Luke Higham said...

The Life Of Chuck won TIFF People's Choice, a major upset.

Louis: Apologies for adding on to the workload but can I have your updated Oscar Predictions as well as for Animated Feature with reasons why.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous & Luke:

Here's some of the performances I will get to the rest.

Seydoux - (Seydoux I wouldn't say completely sheds her innate demure presence however kind of the way of seeding the emotions works ideally here in creating the person filled with emotions who is trying to purge them. And you have theoretically three sides to the character, though there are the two most dominant versions of the performance between the past and the present characters. The ideal cast in the past of the greater repression which I think Seydoux effectively brings the moments of breaking that state of demure just enough in the moments of her interaction with MacKay which builds towards the climax of that story most effectively. That is in contrast to the second story where the state of repression is a bit different in terms of the situation of the creation as more of the separation within her place as outside the comfort of her country theoretically and in the odd place of the large house alone. Although stuck in this certain uncertainty where the existential element that is also real exists and Seydoux's way of almost playing towards an emotion that she isn't certain about at any point creates a wonderful curiosity yet winning quality of this way of granting a reality within the science components unnaturally yet naturally discovering this connection with MacKay's character by beautifully the note of knowing him but not quite knowing why.)

Lundy-Payne - (The performance that for me better created the frame of mind for the film which is this specific kind of existential crisis, that is lost in malaise more so than outward freaking out. Where in this sense I felt Lundy-Payne hit the right balance in terms of creating this strange quality within the approach, in that Lundy-Payne presents the character as off-kilter though in a subdued way that manages to effectively create this extremely specific state of mind, however in way that was convincing. In that Lundy-Payne is very much presenting in the unique style of the film but still convincing as real emotion.)

Louis Morgan said...

Smith - (Smith on the other hand has that same awkwardness and stiffness you find in all of his performances. Something that I don't think always means he gives terrible performances depending on how much of that is needed for the part, or if the film has any idea how to use it, like I felt they did in D&D for example. Here, the performance I think does have purpose in creating that state of unwellness and being out of place. The problem is I think there was a more ideal balance here between genuine emotion and that sort of stilted break. His line deliveries here frequently took me out of the experience, rather than out of comfort within the reality of the film unfortunately. The stiltedness felt forced within his performance rather than his character, and consistently I wasn't brought into this sense as a broken person, rather Smith trying to play this note in a way that just came off awkward watching it rather as this awkwardness of someone who thinks they may be in the wrong reality.)

Ridley - (Two performances and two slightly stiff American accents, in "dying" I think it is less of a problem because it better serves the nature of the character who is very much lost within her own thoughts and just distant from the rest of the world. In "sea" her performance struggles to authentically hit the inspirational note it is searching for as it is so easy to become more so an idea than a person. Ridley falls right into just being this idea and not in a way that is successful. Her performance feels unfortunately like a platitude rather than a person, partially due the writing mostly giving her such to say, but never felt internalized life beyond the setup of the film. Far more impressive she is in dying because she does feel like an actual person in playing largely only internalization this time around and in a way that does largely succeed. Her performance is working largely with little reactions where she successfully creates the sense of her thinking about her extremely specific fixations rather than the more outward fascinations of everyone else. Ridley is able to make a natural effort of someone struggling to make an effort, more comfortable, though awkward from the outside looking in when she is within her own mind constantly rethinking the same thing. Ridley is convincing in this state, though I would say how the film then allows her to explore that isn't as compelling as it could be, not on her, just the writing never quite finds a truly successful way to explore the character in a more dynamic way.)

Louis Morgan said...

Gladstone - (Another impressive performance from Gladstone that successfully explores a bit of a different side of her presence in playing a harder edged character than in her two performances last year. Gladstone's performance is particularly successful in terms of creating the rich sense of history within her character from the warmer more optimistic manner with her niece and the more challenging scenes we see when interacting with her extended family where she brings that undercurrent of potent frustration. Gladstone effectively balances this certain dogged conviction with also a sense of a pained exhaustion within her plight and circumstances. Neither seems to negate the other creating a more nuanced portrayal of the role where it could've been easy enough to have become some kind of ideal or just a one note state of anger. Gladstone balances the notes well to create this greater sense of the woman beyond what I feel is even written within the character by being able to so much granting depth to every note that she performs. As the film proceeds even to the more melodramatic elements, what holds it together is Gladstone consistently honesty within her own work that elevates those elements.)

Ranta - (Her performance is much more the lighter note of the piece in terms of dealing with less of a conflict and more so a detour. She brings an appropriate earnestness in terms of that sense of discovery that delivers on the more limited aspects of the role well enough.)

Goel - (Very much dealing with the harder edge of the film though her performance still is largely light up until the climax. She's quite effective though in bringing a weight in her discoveries which are a bit different from her counterpart. As she doesn't portray them as just simply joys to be found, but rather this sense of hope within the discoveries. There's the weight of sort of the situation she has escaped from in her reactions to grant a greater sense of the relief of her situations in comparison. She's particularly good in the final sequence of the film where she brings the real sense of devastation to every word of revealing her situation, and brings the right raw emotion when needing to face off with seemingly the unsympathetic police inspector and her supposed husband.)

De Leon - (Well I hope more filmmakers take note of her talents, as she once again comes in with such sheer charisma here and just dominates a scene like few performers do. Of course this time more than a little different in playing the passionate former professional actress than from Triangle of Sadness, but makes as immediate of an impact here. Beautifully playing a mix between this sense of genuine inspiration within her passion while also having just this blunt honesty within her performance to make it appealing. What I think she does better than anyone is handle the more melodramatic scenes with a convincing approach. She doesn't go so hard to become over the top at all, finding instead the balance of the real emotion within the big emotions that keep it from going off the rail. Offering in any of the moments she does have in this regard a balance to keep them as something more believable.)

Jonathan Williams said...

Louis: Do you think Tom Hiddleston may contend for a best actor nomination.

Louis Morgan said...

Will get to all other requested thoughts, but starting with the Oscar predictions.

Best Picture:

Life of Chuck (Winner)
Anora
The Brutalist
Dune Part 2
Blitz
Conclave
Emilia Perez
A Real Pain
Sing Sing
The Nickle Boys

Director:

Sean Baker - Anora (Winner)
Brady Corbet - The Brutalist
Denis Villeneuve - Dune Part II
Steve McQueen Blitz
Jacques Audiard - Emilia Perez

Okay, so maybe jumping the gun with Life of Chuck as the winner (winners truly are placeholder choices at the moment), but the Academy likes to usually put a feelgood after a feelbad, and if Oppenheimer was the latter, this could be the former...even if unorthodox in its methods. Either way, American Fiction even with its weak studio campaign wise proved that don't second guess TIFF, that audience is the academy it seems, so it must be a player at the very least. Anora as a TIFF runner-up there only further proves its potential, particularly with academy being more aware of the Palm than in the past. The Brutalist seems like a Tar, might not win things but the prestige factor is too powerful to deny the nominations. Dune, most definitely given the former was embraced, though I think it could underperform slightly, but maybe some voters will want to get Villeneuve in after his snub last time. Blitz sounds like catnip until it is not proven to be so. Conclave delivers on the prestige thriller hard enough I guess. Emilia Perez's Tiff runner-up status is harder to ignore it, particularly when it's Netflix's best pony by a mile, though its critical reception and divisive nature makes me think this is probably big nomination time, maybe small winner time. Also covers the "idiosyncratic" non-English pick for the director's branch. A Real Pain, as a small movie that can slightly, a little like Past Lives but with an acting nomination. Sing Sing definitely needs some momentum to stay afloat, but I think if enough see it, it probably is in. Nickle Boys, sure, as The Zone of Interest type pick, but I think it could also miss out in the end.

Luke Higham said...

Jonathan: If that happens then I'd rather it be at the expense of Chalamet than Domingo.

Louis Morgan said...

Actress:

Saoirse Ronan - Outrun (Winner)
Mikey Madison - Anora
Nicole Kidman - Babygirl
Angelina Jolie - Maria
Karla Sofia Gascon - Emilia Perez

Ronan, sure, and the winner only if the momentum is spread out, like how Chastain won for Tammy Faye. As Madison might be a bit too unknown to win but if she's leading, a leading film, she should be in for the nomination. Kidman won the Volpi Cup, which is no guarantee of an Oscar nomination but she's somewhere there's definitely passion for her to even get a single nominee spot. Jolie only as a follow up to Stewart and Portman, might be the weakest of all three in terms of the reception but why doubt the trend for an Academy comeback? And then Gascon for the hard push by Netflix I'll imagine with a clear narrative to sell the nomination on.

Actor:

Colman Domingo - Sing Sing (Winner)
Ralph Fiennes - Conclave
Adrien Brody - The Brutalist
Timothee Chalamet - A Complete Unknown
Daniel Craig - Queer

There is a problem here as Domingo, Brody and Craig are all A24, which does raise doubts, but at the moment this seems like a tight five. As Domingo, Fiennes & Brody all have the films, the reviews and the career moment it would seem. Craig has the revies and the career moment...less so the film it seems as a contender. Then Chalamet seems like a good traditional bet, as the acting branch loves the biopic, especially a musician. What also helps is no one else seems like an extremely viable choice at this venture anyways.

Louis Morgan said...

Supporting Actress:

Danielle Deadwyler - The Piano Lesson (Winner)
Saoirse Ronan - Blitz
Zoe Saldana - Emilia Perez
Felicity Jones - The Brutalist
Selena Gomez - Emilia Perez

Deadwyler sure, though it sounds like maybe her film isn't quite there as a major contender. But has the personal reviews, and a makeup snub narrative that helps. Ronan if she is supporting seems likely here if Blitz is a thing. Saldana sounds like fraud but viable fraud. There is passion for both her and Gomez, and if Netflix does their magic again, Perez could be huge on the nomination side. And Jones, if The Brutalist is big, as she also has gotten personal ink that is promising. Maybe someone from Chuck, as the performances were praised but didn't see anyone singled out in my cursory examination.

Supporting Actor:

Guy Pearce - The Brutalist (Winner)
Clarence Maclin - Sing Sing
Kieran Culkin - A Real Pain
Denzel Washington - Gladiator II
Tom Hiddleston - The Life of Chuck

Pearce too has the ink, and in apparently a juicy villain role, maybe win potential. Maclin has the praise, though the fact that he's playing Clarence Maclin maybe is a hurdle, though maybe for the win rather than the nomination. Culkin sounds like major fraud, but they've bought it before, he certainly has the reviews and career momentum. I mean I think Gladiator II would need to be a full disaster for me to fully doubt Washington, given he nearly always gets in if he's in any kind of contention.

And that leaves Hiddleston, who apparently is the main character, in a role that is spread out with younger versions so he doesn't have a leading screentime...at least that's what has been said. If that's the case, sounds viable as a supporting nominee then, particularly since the Tiff winner typically also gets at least one acting nomination. Maybe it will be Hamill instead, as again, I saw praise for the performances but didn't see singled out choices.

Louis Morgan said...

Animated Film:

The Wild Robot (Winner)
Inside Out 2
Flow
Memoir of a Snail
Wallace and Gromit: Vengeance Most Fowl

I think Robot can win, as the bigger critical hit has bested the Pixar box-office sequel smash before. Flow and Memoir if Moana 2 flops critically (which based on its production history, maybe it will be too episodic) and sure on Wallace and Gromit again...hopefully this will not be like Chicken Run 2.

Louis Morgan said...

Tahmeed:

I mean certainly possible, as you see how great Brando could be pre "Can do no wrong" attitude, in this scene, which I think he brings such complication to his Antony, where his follow-up speech to the crowd is the genius of a true politician, you see within Brando's take a fiery emotionality that the man keeps in check to a degree to wield his heartbreak as weapon, in this scene Brando shows it as just as raw as possible and just the grief and anger of a man who has lost his friend and wants revenge.

Luke:

I could potentially watch Rome at some point given its length/reputation.

Sounds terrible if it were to happen which probably is doubtful.

Buckley, Mortensen, Eidenger are all definitely leading. Stangenberg is on the border for me, though I'm leaning supporting at the moment.

Gwisdek, Hawke, Harfouch and Okonedo are definitely supporting.

I mean I liked The Batman, more Farrell is never a bad thing, and Peacemaker was actually good unlike the majority of the Marvel+ shows.

Ytrewq:

Yeah I'll admit "entertainments" that are flops usually interest me the least.

Anonymous:

Keith Kupferer for Ghostlight. Should note the 3 is for Katherine Mallen Kupferer.

Omar:

I'll admit I was being a little conservative with the ratings for the film, just to try not to let my enthusiasm for the film get the best of me, but I probably went too far as I certainly have nothing but good things to say about all three of those performances.

The first scene is incredible confidence I think in the script and actors to just be the cross cutting of the conversation with the same shot consistently for each. And it is incredible because the actors and script are up to the task. And it's also one of the reasons I didn't mind the length at all, as the length of this scene is essential in the way it slowly unravels to bring out just how much of a distance there is between mother and son, as the mom reveals her act near his infancy. The moment is so painful with just what she reveals, yet is so powerful because of how honest it feels as someone without anything to lose in her mind unburdening her pain, even if it means uncovering such a horrible truth. I especially love towards the end as she tries to make a kind of light through the swerve towards music just as her son is nearly broken by the revelation and it clear what's left of their time together will not be as a loving relationship.

The second scene speaks to the successful tonal shifts as the scene is darkly comic in the insanity of the impromptu drunk dentistry of which both bring the chaotic energy of two completely gone and deciding to engage in probably one of the more foolish ideas when drunk. The two's chemistry indeed is fantastic, and pivotal to making the scene work, because it doesn't seem weird within their characters because of the strange messy joy they find even as they are both bloody and mad. And you see how each gets the other "off" in more ways than one in matching the insanity of each other.

Side note I'd like to start a futile campaign for Best Original Song for the choral section of the Dying symphony.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Pleased to hear it, wasn't sure whether you'd check it out. Considering there's only so much you can see, which of these shows do you have intent on seeing and those that you do not care about: (I'm aware of Mad Men and Boardwalk Empire)
Six Feet Under
The Shield
House
Mad Men
Homeland (Only the first two seasons are really necessary)
Outlander (Tobias Menzies is the main reason to give it a go and I'd recommend stopping after his departure as I lost interest in it after)
Hannibal
The Handmaid's Tale
The Americans
The Crown (The first four seasons are great and would stop after)
Big Little Lies
Killing Eve
The Boys
The Man In The High Castle
Mindhunter
The Last Of Us

Luke Higham said...

I thought about putting The Terror (I know, another Jared Harris/Tobias Menzies production) on the list but it's still a self-contained limited series in my book.

Robert MacFarlane said...

I watched the first 5 years of Outlander (or six, I forgot the first season was in two parts). Menzies is actually better in his contemporary role as the poor husband. His evil rapist general character is pretty similar to Isaacs in The Patriot in terms of acting choices.

Balfe and Heughan make it work more than the pulpy (derogatory), making-this-shit-as-we-go-along plotting. Also, if you thought Game of Thrones overplayed the sexual violence card, this show throws the gauntlet. Like, every season starts off lulling you into thinking MAYBE they won’t do it this year, but then says “Nah, need that shock value”.

If you do make it to season 3 or 4, prepare for the single-worst prestige TV acting via Sophie Skelton. You’ll end up writing an apology to Wallis for Peaky Blinders.

Mitchell Murray said...

Pretty late to this one, but I finally caught up with "Poor Things". I should mention that I have some co-workers who watched the film partway through, and basically hated it. Given some of it's post-oscar commentary online, it may have fallen victim to people seeking it out based on the awards, not knowing what kind of movie it is.

So I went into "Poor Things" having some expectations but not being spoiled for the most part. Having watched it finally, my current take on the film is.....I "get" it, I just don't "love" it. A lot of that comes down to taste, and my apparent limit for sexual content/nudity in film. But from a technical perspective, it's undeniably impressive in it's costumes, set design, music and intriguing - albeit not always comfortable - ideas of self identity and body autonomy. Between this and "The Favourite", I'd easily prefer the latter for it's more grounded, history based story and generally better pacing. Nonetheless, I can say I enjoyed "Poor Things", even if I'm hesistant to rewatch it.

Tony Kim said...

Mitchell: What were your thoughts on the performances, esp. Stone, Dafoe, and Ruffalo?

Luke Higham said...

Louis: I meant to say I'm aware of The Wire and Boardwalk Empire.

Luke Higham said...

And when you get to 2018, I really want you to prioritize some of the limited series you've missed from that year, mainly The Terror, Les Misérables and A Very English Scandal.

Mitchell Murray said...

Tony:

Stone - I can honestly take or leave the first 15-20 minutes of her performance; she's not bad, I just see her acting more than I see her character. But past that point, it's a very strong turn from Stone that realizes the arc of Bella and the film's tone quite well. I found her to be charming as usual, but in a different sort of way in showing Bella's utter lack of fear and shame. She just takes everything as it comes, and slowly gains the agency/perception to make sense of her world and change it. Stone makes that journey logical and entertaining, and is overall very effective here.

Ruffalo - A risky performance in many regards, from the accent to the demenour to the silliness of Duncan's behaviour. But Ruffalo honestly, surprisingly nails this one, and is simultaneously convincing when he needs to be, and incredibly funny. Not sure if I'd voted for him above RDJ, but at the same time, it's very likely my favourite Ruffalo performance.

Dafoe - At first glance, this performance seems entirely in Dafoe's wheelhouse, and maybe it is. But in the same way an actor should never be criticized for a good showing, Dafoe shouldn't be taken for granted for playing to his strengths. As a mad scientist, he is properly eccentric and passionate. What really worked for me, though, was the twisted sort of tenderness Dafoe showed in Godwin, through his odd paternal/creator relationship to Bella.

Youssef - Very much provides a nice grounded counter to the other character's eccentricities. Moreover, Youssef fully sells Max as this slightly nieve young man with a good heart, and his fascination/love for Bella.

Luke Higham said...

I forgot that Damien Lewis was in season 3 of Homeland so watch it until he departs.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: If you need any mini-series to fill your year-end lists then I would recommend Ripley (Andrew Scott for Lead Actor) and Mary & George (Tony Curran as James I is a very strong contender to make your top 3 for Supporting Actor and Nicholas Galitzine really surprised the hell out of me).

Anonymous said...

Luke, your pick for the Ballon D'or this year?

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: Haven't really watched anything since the Euros but I'll probably go with Rodri. I'll be really irritated if they give it to Jude Bellingham, I find him massively overpraised.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Anonymous: Pre-Euros and Copa, I'd have gone with Vini Jr. But all things considered, it probably should be Rodri, Man City and Spain aren't half as good without him.

J96 said...

Louis, your thoughts on the Emmys?

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous & Luke:

Colman - (Good if a bit samey within some of her performances. I think she struggles more by needing to be between the tones, which is the problem with the film overall. As she's supposed to be comic in a fairly broad way, but also dramatic in terms of the depiction of the character's insecurities. Colman is fine with both notes, however she can't make them fully cohere, which is less on her and more so on the overall direction of the piece that fails to make up its mind when it comes to overall intention.)

Buckley - (I mean I think any praise for Buckley from me might seem silly at this point, but regardless still another good performance from her. In this instance though she just excels in playing almost entirely within the serious notions of the role, particularly in depicting the slowly fed up quality and the real desperation in reaction to her mistreatment. There are a few comic moments, which I think is where Buckley does better than Colman in terms of making them bits of temporary just throwing caution to the wind rather than losing the character.)

Pierre - (Just a rock solid leading man turn, where he brings just the right sort of stoic power to the performance without becoming boring. He brings the right quite yet potent emotional undercurrent even while overall playing the role in the intended sort of calm cool way, with certain earned breaks in it....which I'll say his strong presence was also displayed on the still underseen Underground Railroad, but I'm glad this film got far more people to notice him.)

Johnson - (Owns this kind of sleazy role with such considerable ease, and shows it how it is done. As Johnson plays up the horrible Sheriff just enough to make an impact but doesn't over do it to the point of a joke. Putting on the right moments of balance to grant some real menace at times, and showing the sort of edge to the character's more sincere mechanizations of his corruption. Johnson is able to have enough fun to not be too self serious, which is one danger, but also doesn't have too much to become just a silly archetype....unlike say Cohen in the same film.)

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Shield, The Americans, Mindhunter all are ones I need to get to at some point.

I'll admit any of the dramas that are said to fall off a cliff I'm not overly eager to watch, unless the drop off point is genuinely satisfying. Like for Outlander, Big Little Lies, Killing Eve, and The Man in the High Castle. Less so the Crown because it is historical it probably would bother me less.

Six Feet Under is from the writer of American Beauty so that's all I have to say on that.

Hannibal I did see a couple random episodes of, and didn't exactly love them.

From what I've heard about The Handmaid's Tale being a gauntlet of misery does give me pause...and I'll be honest I've always felt such tonal stories I think are probably a better fit for film.

I hated The Boys comic so much I've struggled to give it a try...even though everyone says it's much better.

And Last of Us...I'm sure it is great, but zombies tend to suck my interest out of it...especially if combined with a bit of "humanity is the real villain".

Mad Men I have liked what I've seen so maybe.

House is a no, as what I've seen, I liked Laurie but definitely seemed to be network procedural style...unless I just happened to see the wrong episodes.

Robert:

That final statement sounds like a most terrifying prospect.

Luke:

I should note I don't really try to "fill out" those lists, I do them for fun even more so than I do this for fun given that TV awards as a prospect is logistically impossible. I just try to watch what interests me/is said to be great.

Louis Morgan said...

J96:

From What I've seen some good to great winners, though I kind of feel Colón-Zayas probably won for season 3, though she was good in season 2. I don't invest much emotion in the Emmys overall to begin with, but nothing seemed completely unearned.

Except I will say I hope Crudup is truly great in The Morning Show, if he needed another win there, given how amazing Asano was.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Fair enough though I definitely would recommend Mary and George. It had a lot more bite to it than I thought it would be and it's a period of history that has never been covered on film before.

Luke Higham said...

Think of it as more of a male equivalent to the power dynamics of The Favourite.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Out of the films you love, are there any that would stand out as being idiosyncratic, not because they are maligned, but because most people don't feel passionately enough about them one way or the other? And which of your favourite films would you say are the most obscure?

Louis Morgan said...

Tony:

Though you said not maligned, I do need to mention Ryan's Daughter as one in terms of a film that just completely works for me that is maligned by many.

Often though I think more frequently my off the beaten path favorites, are more underseen than I think people are less passionate about, as I've found most who actually see The Human Condition, The Hill, Harakiri or The Proposition often are also pretty passionate it about them.

I'd say in terms of ones where my passion is greater than sort of the mainstream cinephile take probably: First Man, The Quiet Man, Chariots of Fire, Silence, Barton Fink, Stalag 17 and my love of the Vinterberg/Mikkelsen films would probably qualify.

J96 said...

Louis, your top 10 Best and Worst Supporting Actress Winners, and with the worst, who should have won instead?

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Your 10 favorite Shakespearean monologues, and your favorite cinematic rendition of each one?

Oliver Menard said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the "Let me in now" scene from Longlegs

Jonathan Williams said...

Louis: What are the 5 or 10 documentaries that you've heard of that you personally feel that you need to get around to.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Since Jonathan brought the topic up, I don't think you'll have time to watch the greatest TV doc of all time, The World At War (1973) but can I have your thoughts on the opening scene from episode 1. Olivier's narration is spellbinding.

youtube.com/watch?v=0b4g4ZZNC1E&pp=ygUYVGhlIHdvcmxkIGF0IHdhciBvcmFkb3Vy
00:10-01:50

Luke Higham said...

And Shoah has to be #1 on that list.

Louis Morgan said...

J96:

Best:

1. Jane Darwell - The Grapes of Wrath
2. Cloris Leachman - The Last Picture Show
3. Linda Hunt - The Year of Living Dangerously
4. Eva Marie Saint - On the Waterfront
5. Brenda Fricker - My Left Foot
6. Lila Kedrova - Zorba the Greek
7. Yuh-young Youn - Minari
8. Claire Trevor - Key Largo
9. Patty Duke - The Miracle Worker
10. Tatum O'Neal - Paper Moon

Worst:

Patricia Arquette - Boyhood (Emma Stone - Birdman)
Penelope Cruz - Vicky Cristina Barcelona (Amy Adams - Doubt)
Sandy Dennis - Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (Wendy Hiller - A Man For All Seasons)
Gloria Grahame - The Bad and the Beautiful (Colette Marchand - Moulin Rouge)
Jennifer Hudson - Dreamgirls (Adriana Barraza - Babel)
Anne Revere - National Velvet (Ann Blyth - Mildred Pierce)
Miyoshi Umeki - Sayonara (Hope Lange - Peyton Place)
Rachel Weisz - The Constant Gardener (Amy Adams - Junebug)
Renee Zellweger - Cold Mountain (CHECK)
Catherine Zeta-Jones - Chicago (Meryl Streep - Adaptation)

Jonathan:

Shoah
Dear Zachary
Man With a Movie Camera
Harlan County USA
The Last Waltz (Most of Scorsese's docs)

Will get to the other requested thoughts, just want to open a new comment and post the next review.