Tuesday 18 July 2023

Alternate Best Actor 2009: Ricardo Darín in The Secret in Their Eyes

Ricardo Darín did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying Benjamín Espósito in The Secret in Their Eyes. 

The Secret in Their Eyes follows the investigation of a rape and murder of a woman in Argentina. 

Finally getting one of the most famous Argentinian actors Ricardo Darín, in a leading role, in a role that is very much a showcase for him, though in a rather low-key way. Because as much as this film seems like a murder mystery from its description it is so much more than that, as it covers a lot of ground in terms of character and story, but also in tone. An approach that can be a risk, as inconsistencies are always possible, but one that this film pulls off rather magnificently. One of the reasons for this success is Darín in the lead role, who has a very easygoing style as a performer. He isn't someone who tries to force his brilliance on the viewer, rather he takes kind of a "they'll come to me" approach, which works great for the character of Benjamin here. A character who we see earliest, chronologically, just working as the judiciary in Argentina as he would any sort of job. And there is a very casual manner that makes Benjamin pretty immediately likable, and charming, though again not as someone who is trying to force anyone to love him, which in a way is one of the problems that I will get to, a problem for Benjamin by the way not the viewer. 

An essential facet of a film that allows for a wandering tone is that it provides the essential stakes and that those stakes are consistent across the board. When we first see the crime scene of the woman, Liliana, brutally murdered, Darín's reaction is that of sincere disbelief at the sight and shows how clearly the image impacts Benjamin. Perhaps even more impactful are his moments early on with Ricardo Morales (Pablo Rago) the husband of Liliana, who deeply loved his wife and is heartbroken over her loss. Darín's wonderful in the scenes with Rago because of really how he often takes the side of the scenes in a way, and shows in these moments of Benjamin just appreciating the gravity of the man's loss. Darín finds in his eyes, fittingly, such a potent sense of empathy in every moment that Rago's speaking. Darín doesn't simply listen, you see the way Benjamin is truly taking in the grief of the man, and basically being worn down by it himself. Particularly as he even sees that Morales begins to dutifully wait at a train station just thinking he might spot the killer at some point. Darín is very moving by showing the way that this undiluted expression of love and persistence impacts Benjamin almost as deeply. It is again in just the quiet ease of Darín's work that makes it so powerful because you just see the man recognizing, taking it in, and being moved by it himself. 

That basis is consistent within Darín's performance, and never something that he plays with. However, that isn't to say he doesn't play with things around otherwise including the investigation itself, where he makes most of it with his often drunken, yet insightful, coworker Pablo (Guillermo Fracello). These two have just great chemistry together and make for a pair of investigators not based on conflict but rather camaraderie. Something that just simply works here and the two are so much fun together, includes when Pablo often encourages Benjamin to skirt outside the confines of the law just a bit in their investigation. Darín's a great straight man to Fracello's flamboyance, as you see in his interactions with him firstly just the great sense of friendship between the two, he brings the right sense of a slight exasperation towards some of his friend's antics, yet there is always a smile that Darín seems to be holding back for Benjamin, as he makes it clear that Benjamin loves some of the mess that Pablo gets him into, but more important he also just loves Pablo. Together though you see them work the case, and in some moments, such as sloppily sneaking into a house, the two are hilarious together with Fracello showing Pablo going in headfirst and Darín being pitch-perfect in his less-than-certain reactions at seeing where his somewhat impulsive friend takes him.

Irene Menéndez Hastings (Soledad Villamil) is the last essential relationship we see throughout the film who is the new chief of Benjamin and Pablo's department. We see even in flashback to a flashback, the first time that Benjamin even sees Irene, and Darín's reaction is perfection in showing just how instantly Benjamin is infatuated with her at their initial encounter. Darín is great at playing the shyness of Benjamin towards her, as someone who clearly loves her, but can't quite get there to say it. There is a playfulness that Darín brings in these moments that makes Benjamin particularly endearing early on and manages to sell the sort of state of arrested development in the relationship. The relationship is more complicated than just Darín's affection for her, as Irene ends up being a bit of a moderator between herself, Pablo, and Benjamin in the investigation. And as much as Benjamin's in love with her you, get the right sense of how she's also the "mom" of the office, in the moments of a bit of petulance in their investigation methods, which again brings some natural low-key comedy to the film that totally works, but also gives you a real sense of camaraderie between the three. There is a sense of fun between them that the performers make so natural, that it never feels out of place with the severity of the investigation. 

And I suppose I should note SPOILERS from here on out, as this film is a great one, well worth watching, and where the final takes itself to is truly remarkable. When they finally track down the killer one can see the success of manuevring the tone because it feels natural when Benjamin and Irene very seriously attempt to interrogate, the vicious Gómez, who they only have relatively weak evidence. Darín is as convincing in portraying the intensity in this moment as he was in the levity of others as he tries to prod the man to admit to his crime before Irene takes over using reverse psychology to cause the man to finally lash out and even attack here, and openly admit to committing the crime. It would seem they were successful, if not for the fact that the man gets quickly released, not due to lack of evidence, but rather the government finds use of him as a government hitman. The scene of Irene and Benjamin confronting the corrupt official who allowed his release is exceptional work from Darín in presenting the undercurrent of rage and distress, that slowly moves towards anxiety as the government official not only ignores the request but also taunts them with their powerlessness with this issue. Worse even that soon afterward government thugs murder Pablo unexpectedly, which is a heartbreaking scene through Darín's devastating reaction to the moment that delivers the horror and loss of the moment so viscerally. Leaving Benjamin to essentially go into exile, and leaving Irene behind, who is protected via family name. Their goodbye though is exceptional work, because they don't verbally declare their love, but both performers just say in every other reaction. That also brings such a sense of grief of the loss of Pablo, but also the sense of them both deciding to give up in searching for justice.

That would be enough for Darín to have delivered a great performance, but there is a whole aspect that I haven't gotten to, which is the film takes place at two different times. The second time frame is decades later when both Irene and Benjamin have been married to other people and divorced, however, Benjamin has not moved on from the crime. These scenes are interwoven throughout, and Darín's performance is excellent in conveying the character, not in an overt physical manner, though he is more reserved, but rather through his expression of the man who is always slightly haunted by the crime over the years. It isn't an overt desperation he depicts, but rather this quiet fixation of basically a memory he can't forget or ignore. Darín projects it powerfully as this kind of broken nostalgia as it is a most essential memory for him, even while being one of that of tragedy. Darín's delivery of the moments of describing his wish to document the crime through a book, or try to find where the man disappeared to, he makes so powerful actually through the subtle nuance of that fixation. He presents as the older man now just having to live with it, but can't move from it.  And we see him retracing the steps revisiting Irene, and their chemistry is again great though very different from the other scenes, as we see this kind of understanding between the two, but also the sense of the loss of years as they look at one another. It is less playful but still the sense of connection is unquestionable. And in Darín's work, we see the man seeking catharsis, of any kind from the past, and where that leads is unexpected. And part of that is just from himself, where he reveals how he envisions Pablo's death, as his friend having sacrificed himself or him. Where Darín delivers this choice of memory, in a surprisingly poignant way, as the man finding some sense of love, within an overt tragedy. However when discovering the truth of the main mystery we don't see Darín boast, or brag in Benjamin's discovery but there is a sense of a profound closure in his discovery of the truth. And albeit briefly, the man afterward we see more at comfort and more at ease, to be able to finally end the film, where he should be in stating his fundamental truth to Irene. And in this, Darín gives a great performance, one of heartbreaking loss, one of rich romance, one of the dogged then haunted investigator, and even one of the kind of hapless investigator. There isn't a side to the film or Benjamin that Darín reveals though that doesn't feel honest, and in turn, helps to create such a variety and such a tremendous power in the journey of this film.  

142 comments:

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast. Thoughts on the screenplay.

Matt Mustin said...

Amazing performance.

Calvin Law said...

I went into this expecting a compelling murder mystery and did not expect to see what felt almost like a companion piece to In the Mood for Love slowly blossom from it. What a great film and love this review too.

Tim said...

your thoughts on the soccer stadium scene?

Emi Grant said...

Yup. Phenomenal work. Great review.

Louis: Your thoughts on Campanella's direction? As well as your thoughts on the train station goodbye and the revelation at Morales' house?

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the Train Escape scene from Dead Reckoning Part 1.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: The Simpsons episodes I have in mind are A Serious Flanders, a two-part homage to FX's Fargo guest starring Brian Cox; and Treehouse of Horror XXXIII, the most recent Halloween special featuring parodies of The Babadook, Death Note, and Westworld.

Do you plan to watch the episode whenever you'll have the time, or later in the year along with others' recommendations?


Shaggy Rogers said...

Hey guys
Update on my Top 10 prediction of Louis' lead actor in 2009:
1. Mortensen
2. Rahim
3. Stuhlbarg
4. Copley
5. Hardy
6. Darin
7. Rockwell
8. Cage
9. McHattie
10. Foster

Shaggy Rogers said...

And tell what the winners of the 2009 Louis will be.

Picture: Inglourious Basterds
Director: Quentin Tarantino - Inglourious Basterds
Actor: Viggo Mortensen - The Road
Actress: Kim Hye ja - Mother
Supporting Actor: Christoph Waltz - Inglorious Basterds
Supporting Actress: Mo'Nique - Precious
Ensemble: Inglourious Basterds
Production Design: Inglourious Basterds
Sound Editing: District 9
Sound Mixing: The Road
Score: Up
Editing: Inglourious Basterds
Visual Effects: District 9
Costume Design: Bright Star
Cinematography: Inglourious Basterds
Makeup and Hairstyling: The Road
Original Screenplay: Inglourious Basterds
Adapted Screenplay: The Secret in Their Eyes
Song: "The Weary Kind" - Crazy Heart

Emi Grant said...

Shaggy: Ngl, I'm holding out hope for Mother to snatch Original Screenplay. That might not happen, though.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Are there any past roles you find unrecastable, in that the original actor played the part so definitively you'll find it difficult to think of others who would work anywhere near as well?

8000S said...

Tony: Jimmy Stewart in IAWL.

Luke Higham said...

My prediction
1. Mortensen
2. Copley
3. Hardy
4. Rahim
5. Darin
6. Rockwell
7. Stuhlbarg
8. Cage
9. Foster
10. McHattie

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

I think Darin might go up as high as #3 by the sound of this review.

Luke Higham said...

From reviews, it looks as if Robert Downey Jr. could possibly be the favourite to win the Supporting Actor Oscar this year.

Houndtang said...

I think this is one of the most romantic films ever made - and as you say it’s almost all unspoken. Even at the end we leave Benjamin and Irene at the crucial moment.

I do love that final scene -

‘It’ll be complicated.’
‘I don’t care.’
‘Shut the door.’

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Thoughts on these Simpsons guest spots?

Pamela Reed
Sara Gilbert
Mandy Patinkin

BRAZINTERMA said...

Hello Louis and folks!
Continuing my marathon of Academy Award-winning films... below is my mega-ranking of Best Leading Actor Oscar winners, from worst to best:

96º Roberto Benigni
95º George Arliss
94º Spencer Tracy (Captains Courageous)
93º Gary Cooper (Sergeant York)
92º Rami Malek
91º Jamie Foxx
90º Yul Brynner
89º Sean Penn (Milk)
88º Wallace Beery
87º John Wayne
86º Dustin Hoffman (Rain Man)
85º Eddie Redmayne
84º Richard Dreyfuss
83º Geoffrey Rush
82º Bing Crosby
81º Rex Harrison
80º Will Smith
79º Sean Penn (Mystic River)
78º Cliff Robertson
77º Tom Hanks (Philadelphia)
76º Warner Baxter
75º Colin Firth
74º Lee Marvin
73º James Stewart
72º Humphrey Bogart
71º Kevin Spacey
70º Spencer Tracy (Boys Town)
69º Jeff Bridges
68º Gary Oldman
67º Jack Nicholson (As Good as It Gets)
66º David Niven
65º Lionel Barrymore
64º Dustin Hoffman (Kramer vs Kramer)
63º Paul Muni
62º Charlton Heston
61º Denzel Washington
60º Broderick Crawford
59º Henry Fonda
58º Tom Hanks (Forrest Gump)
57º Russell Crowe
56º Michael Douglas
55º Gary Cooper (High Noon)
54º Paul Newman
53º Fredric March (Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde)
52º Emil Jannings
51º Al Pacino
50º Joaquin Phoenix
49º Sidney Poitier
48º Paul Lukas
47º José Ferrer
46º Brendan Fraser
45º Robert Donat
44º Fredric March (The Best Years of Our Lives)
43º Ben Kingsley
42º James Cagney
41º Marlon Brando (The Godfather)
40º Robert Durvall
39º Ronald Colman
38º Rod Steiger
37º Forest Whitaker
36º Jon Voight
35º Jeremy Irons
34º Matthew McConaughey
33º Gene Hackman
32º Nicolas Cage
31º Leonardo DiCaprio
30º Charles Laughton
29º Gregory Peck
28º Philip Seymour Hoffman
27º Casey Affleck
26º Victor McLaglen
25º Paul Scofield
24º Jean Dujardin
23º Art Carney
22º Maximilian Schell
21º Clark Gable
20º Laurence Olivier
19º Ernest Borgnine
18º Daniel Day Lewis (My Left Foot)
17º Adrien Brody
16º Burt Lancaster
15º William Holden
14º Anthony Hopkins (The Silence of the Lambs)
13º Robert De Niro
12º Ray Milland
11º Peter Finch
10º Daniel Day Lewis (Lincoln)
9º George C. Scott
8º Alec Guinness
7º William Hurt
6º Jack Nicholson (One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest)
5º Jack Lemmon
4º Anthony Hopkins (The Father)
3º Daniel Day Lewis (There Will Be Blood)
2º Marlon Brando (On the Waterfront)
1º F. Murray Abraham

8000S said...

Louis: What are your thoughts on Ledger's direction of the home video with Joker and the fake Batman? Nolan gave Ledger free reign to do whatever he wanted for that.

Apparently, Ledger was also interested in directing a movie, I belive.

Matt Mustin said...

8000S: Nolan was still directing, let's be honest, he just didn't interfere with what Ledger was doing because he liked it.

Marcus said...

Louis: Have you ever watched Tim Robinson's I Think You Should Leave?

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis: Thoughts on Billy Zane in Twin Peaks? I was kinda impressed by how painfully boring and unnecessary he was only to chew the scenery a few years later in Titanic.

(truly the greatest example of duality of a man)

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Saving both Rago and Sandoval for the moment.

Villamil - 5(I loved her performance as I think just her initial presence was great in creating this kind of perfect sense of someone who has kind of an innate strength to her while also being extremely alluring, though the latter in a way that never feels remotely forced or put on. It is just as she is and in that, she is wholly Irene that there is just so much kind of innate honesty in her work. Of course, her chemistry with Darin is amazing, as the two of them together create that *not quite there* moment so perfectly. I love the way Villamil plays kind of this sense of restrained urgency as she's always waiting for him to say something, ready to get him to say something, yet holds it all back just the same. That is also with the more comedic chemistry between her, Darin, and Sandoval, where she has kind of like this friendly but often exasperated teacher manner as she regards their antics with affection but also a shake of the head. The interrogation scene is amazing to work from her first in a silent way she conveys her thinking internally of first believing that the man is the killer and then finding the way to pester him, which Villamil performs brilliantly with each delivery being cut straight into his ego. Of course, the train sequence with Darin is simply incredible work from both of them, as both just are able to say everything without saying everything. And every one of Villamil's reactions in the scenes is heartbreaking in showing her kind of opening up almost fully and that just not quite, is what makes it all the potent. Then like Darin, she is great at showing the age of her character, though less overtly haunted, and shows someone trying to come to terms with the past as best as she can. She conveys still the hidden, though differently now as more open in one way, more closed in another, and her final scene with Darin is just all kind of perfection, as in a way you see her youth suddenly spring up again. Loved everything about her performance.)

Gordino - 4(Thought he did the sort of predatory sleaze, particularly in his interrogation scene in portraying the sort of reserved hiding of his guilt towards owning it, however more so than that brandishing that without hesitation and petty petulance regarding it. He's pathetic in this scene but then becomes immediately dangerous in his silence following the scene where you see the sort of pleasure of brandishing his violence. He's also very effective in his final scene in properly conveying what has been going on with his character.)

Louis Morgan said...

Tim:

I will say the best one-shots are often the ones that you don't notice the first time, you're just gripped in the scene which was the case for me in the Stadium scene, which is incredible in what they pulled off given the setting and the number of people. It is such a captivating scene though, in the end by how it tracks through the scene, because you want to catch the killer as well, and keeps you almost wanting to urge the characters on to keep chasing, and becomes extremely cathartic when it switches perspectives and suddenly it becomes sort of claustrophobic as he becomes stuck in the middle of a giant stadium.

Emi Grant:

The very opening I thought had a slightly dated to 09 in the stylistic blur/slow-mo, not that I hated it, but it made me concerned. After watching the rest of the film I even came around to that choice, because it more of establishes the emotional quality that will help to determine the rest of the film, which Campanella directs with a specific focus. And I think there is something very remarkable in the way his direction can go from very emotive moments to funny ones, to brutal ones, and in a way, Campanella does this by not hesitating in the moments, while also having a clarity of form overall that I think maintains a consistency. He never jumps too far between the tones with his own visual choices that maintain that. His visual choices again often are of practical clarity and often are effective in how direct his choices are such as the depiction of the first murder and the later assassination. His work though I think has the specific choice that internalizes moments powerfully, to put us within the character, such as how the stadium scene unravels, the train sequence keeping us with Benjamin, or showing essentially the thought process as he figures out the truth. It is a remarkable blend here in just finding that way of amplifying the mystery, the emotion, or the intensity, switching between them with such ease.

Again the train station is great because we have the moment between the performers who are pitch perfect in being almost there in declaring their love while also being both anguished over the loss of their friend. It ups the ante though in the choice of staying with Benjamin on the train, and we too feel stuck with him, making this choice, and you almost want to yell at him to jump out, because of how well it places you in there, both literally physically but emotionally you're stuck in his decision. And here is also where I think earnestness can be misjudged by some as if you use it, and earn it, it creates a truly powerful cinematic moment, which is the case here because you're are with the characters and their struggle.

I will say I had some random "dumb" thoughts that the film could potentially go off the rails, as I kept thinking they were going to suddenly make Morales the real killer. Thankfully it was something much better, that was surprising to me while being perfectly set up, and just so powerful in seeing the state of both men. One now being almost this ghost himself and the other having this dutiful manner keeping watch over the condemned. A scene that is marvelous because it manages to be strangely both haunting and cathartic

Luke:

My one reservation is the CGI isn't *quite* there, although almost comical for the series that tries to avoid seemingly whenever possible, and I kind of think if it had been just Cruise he would've opted for going for the full Buster Keaton. Having said that I still found it a captivating sequence, and what the series always does well is set up stakes and objectives per scene. You know exactly what they have to do, and what they have to do. I also do love how Atwell plays the scene with genuine fear such as when she doesn't want to let go of Ethan when they're making the jumps. And even the final sort of turn, even done very quickly, wholly worked for me.

Louis Morgan said...

Tony:

At some point is what I'll say.

Well Harold Russell in The Best Years of Our Lives would be pretty tough. Otherwise I would say roles where they are so intertwined with the actor, or/and especially if they're iconic so like:

Charles Chaplin as the Tramp
Jimmy Stewart as George Bailey
Gable/Leigh in Gone with the Wind
Bogart/Bergman in Casablanca
James Dean as Jim Stark (and I don't even love that performance)
Eli Wallach as Tuco
Boris Karloff as the monster

To name a few.

Pamela Reed & Sara Gilbert - (Both actually give fairly what I would say are realistic performances without really extra cartoon style emphasis, however, it works for both with Reed doing a sort of exasperated single mother well, and Gilbert doing sort of the "cool" babysitter.)

Patinkin - (I always forget that he voiced the character, as he does a wonderful riff on Grant, that is funny as sort of the pompous yet also baffled straight man, though I think there is enough nuance that there is a genuine character there in terms of the relationship with Lisa.)

8000's:

I think he directs it as a serial killer vlogger, which totally works in terms of giving his Joker a genuine horror quality within the character's menace.

Marcus:

I have not.

Ytrewq:

I mean he's pretty forgettable, in that section of Twin Peaks that is honestly best forgotten.

Tahmeed:

Finished the Bear season 2, which while I think its momentum was more in waves, still found the occasionally more meandering pace still always compelling and captivating in terms of the individual character development while also just fleshing out the world around the family, even if I did find the number of guest stars slightly comical at a certain point. Found Forks an entirely amazing episode in particular, and I commend it for its use of the Thief score rather brilliantly. Also, I will say for anyone having not seen the show yet, it is definitely a show one should avoid on an empty stomach.

Main Cast:

1. Ebon Moss-Bachrach
2. Jeremy Allen White
3. Ayo Edebiri
4. Abby Elliott
5. Liza Colon-Zayas
6. Oliver Platt
7. Molly Gordon
8. Lionel Boyce
9. Edwin Lee Gibson
10. Chris Witaske
11. Matty Matheson

Guests:

1. Jon Bernthal
2. Jamie Lee-Curtis
3. Olivia Colman
4. Robert Townsend
5. Bob Odenkirk
6. Will Poulter
7. John Mulaney
8. Rene Gube
9. Sarah Ramos
10. Sarah Paulson

Anonymous said...

Louis, what is your category placement for Villamil.

Louis Morgan said...

Supporting.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Your thoughts on your top 6 from Season 2 of The Bear, and where would you rank Gillian Jacobs?

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Do you have any thoughts on the ongoing WGA/SAG strikes, or would discussing those be "opening up a can of worms" for you?

Matt Mustin said...

I'd go 4.5 for Godino, actually, I thought he was sort of unforgettably creepy.

Tony: Pay them what they want, it's that simple, end of.

Tim said...

Just came out of Oppenheimer, which i pretty much adored.

At first i was a bit worried. Was not a fan of the Black-and White at first, a bit over-edited, the de-aging is really bad and it had a little plotline surrounding an apple in the beginning which i honestly found a bit silly.

But after half an hour, all of that was gone and i was completely engrossed. All my worries were unneeded as this tells an actually really emotional, character-driven story, with supreme visual storytelling, some pretty genius subjective-storytelling ideas (watch out for a scene during an Oppenheimer speech pretty late in the film, absolutely brilliant) and some special effects and sound design that left an almost completely filled theatre so quiet you could hear a pin drop. Give this the sound Oscar already, nothing will top this.

Tim said...

Negatives: not many. Some moments focussing on supporting characters were a bit rushed (but all of that within the first hour) and i wonder why Nolan works with Ludwig Göransson if he just keeps asking him to copy Hans.

But that's pretty much it i think.

Matthew Montada said...

Tim: ratings for the cast of Oppenheimer?

Tim said...

As for the cast, i saw it dubbed mind you, but i'll give it a try


Murphy - 5
Blunt - 2.5 (overdoes it a bit when playing drunk)
Damon - 3.5
Downey - 4.5 (would be more than happy if he were to win for this)
Pugh - 3.5
Affleck - 4 (in very little screentime i might add)
Malek - *sigh*
Branagh - 3
Dastmalchian - 3
DeHaan - 2.5
Ehrenreich - 3
Clarke - 3.5
Oldman - 3
Josh Peck suddenly shows up and that was a bit distracting.

One actor i refuse to give a rating for before seeing it in english would be Josh Hartnett. Dude certainly looked the part and i bought him in it, but i can't tell how much the dubbing voice might have had a part in that.


Anyway, Nolan's best in 13 years. Hell, there's a chance i may put it higher than just that with time

8000S said...

Louis: Your casts for versions of Stray Dog and High and Law, directed and written by Bong Joon-ho.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Your thoughts on this Samuel L. Jackson interview? https://www.vulture.com/article/samuel-l-jackson-in-conversation.html

Louis Morgan said...

I thought Oppenheimer was extraordinary. Literally my only quibble was Safdie's makeup near the end. I know I had said that rule about my reviews on Letterboxd, however, this floored me in a way I did not expect and in a way I haven't been in the theater in awhile.

I think Damon could potentially get nominated with Downey if they adore the film, just because he is the one genuine consistent source of comedy in the film.

Blunt - 3.5
Pugh - 3.5
Hartnett - 4
Affleck - 4
Malek - 3
Branagh - 3
Safdie - 3.5
Arnold - 3
Krumholtz - 3.5
Modine - 3
Dastmalchian - 3
Conti - 3.5
DeHaan - 3.5
Ehrenreich - 3.5
Hall - 3
Clarke - 4 (Reminded of George C. Scott in Anatomy of a Murder)
Goldwyn - 3
Oldman - 3
Blair - 3.5
Remar - 3

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on the cast.

Anonymous said...

Murphy was already the favorite for Louis's win, I'd say the category's probably a done deal now. Maybe DiCaprio but I don't see anyone else having a shot.

Mitchell Murray said...

Well it's not "Oppenheimer", but I did wish to say I got to the epilogue of "Red Dead Redemption 2". So with the main part of the story completed, I can safely say its a great game. I mentioned this before, but it feels like a true successor of the original's setting, tone and overarching themes of morality and second chances. I'm sure there's a lot about the game's content I've yet to fully absorb, so I'll look forward to processing it further.

And since I also got to the end of Arthur's story...once again, I tip my hat to Roger Clark. Such a complete, lived in performance, that is neck-and-neck with Ron Wiethoff's work in the first game. There's so many shades to his portrayal and Clark finds them all, and the late stage, sickly Arthur has some of his best moments.

"I'm afraid"...so moving.

Luke Higham said...

Seeing this much love for the film, I've no doubt in my mind that Downey Jr. has given a career-best performance. I'd love for him to win this year.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fez7X_oevNs

Louis Morgan said...

Tony:

In short, Studios are greedy. They love to hide profits and shortchange whenever they can, this is mostly that.

In long, there are more issues at hand. A big one is AI for the writers and literally losing one's personal image to the industry for one gig. With both elements, one would think the studios would be willing to budge on those to get the overall price down on negotiations, the fact that they're not willing to even talk about it suggests they are adamant about these two things, which is a bit disturbing. And while the strength of AI scripts, I played around with a few just to see, has been a bit overstated, everything I saw was super hacky garbage, that has basic structure down, sorta, but is bad at everything else, however, I wouldn't put it past studios to put out hacky garbage via AI.

Of course, I think this could go on for a long time because both strikes are coming with several huge flops (so a time when studios are inclined to be even more stingy) and the whole realization that streaming isn't some instant moneymaker. The latter I think is a more serious wrench in the works of negotiations, one is because studios would actually need to show their books (something that almost never does) and the system really hasn't been worked out. Because with former strikes to quantify the value of residuals, with purchased streaming, with television showings (where commercials are the profits), and home media sales. With a subscription that calculation hasn't been figured out really, because theoretically, one would do it on a "per view" basis, however, with services (without commercials especially) that doesn't translate to a clear value, since that single view doesn't necessarily create the subscription. So to say the situation with streaming is tricky is a massive understatement.

And I will note there are a couple of demands, if I were a studio head I'd probably argue against, like the WGA wanting writer's rooms for every show, even if the show is a single writer show, however again that would be probably one of the chips to let go by the WGA to get the overall deal, however the fact that the studios aren't even willing to talk about anything of it this point suggests an extreme stubbornness, greed, and callousness (based on the anonymous comments), that could cause this go on for a long time.

SLJ interview is expectedly blunt, though also you can very much sense his passion for acting and for films in general in it. I'll say his comments on A Time to Kill, are particularly interesting, and not especially surprising.

Louis Morgan said...

8000's & Tahmeed:

Will get you those soon.

Luke:

Blunt - (She does do some drunk acting, and it isn't her strong suit. I did like her scenes though, as not really the dutiful wife, but rather I found it was always something very much conflicted and complicated in her performance. She isn't warm or loving in an obvious way, and I think that works effectively for the character. Particularly later on where she gets to deliver essentially the hostile bitterness in the character, even while technically being supportive, and I thought she was very effective in what is her one major scene. A mixed performance but one that I did like on the whole.)

Pugh - (I mean Pugh can do emotionally on edge quite effectively, and even though the relative use of the character is limited, though I think serves exactly the purpose as per the history of the trial of Oppenheimer, you do get the sense of her allure to Oppenheimer, while also being constantly this kind of pestering thought. Pugh, like Blunt, doesn't present her as "easy love" for Oppenheimer but rather a certain kind of frustration as the woman he can reckon with despite being obsessed with at a certain level.)

Hartnett - (I really liked his sort of quietly macho routine, and I think he brings a lot of warmth to the character that probably wasn't exactly on paper. There's a sense in his work, even as he's actively conflicting/criticizing Oppenheimer, that his frustrations even always come from this sense of concern and appreciation for the man.)

Affleck - (A relatively limited role, but he is off-putting in the best of ways, in creating just this fascinating kind of enigma that is penetrating in a strange way. Affleck makes him this sort of snake in the grass presenting to be less dangerous, while only seeming more dangerous because of it and is extremely unnerving without needing to force his hand about it. Although he wholly serves his purpose in the narrative, I wouldn't have minded more of him, just because he's so captivating with what he has.)

Louis Morgan said...

Malek - (Thought he wouldn't have a line for the longest time, then when he does, I didn't hate him, or love him, I thought he was just *fine*.)

Branagh - (I think he gives a nice warm mentor-style energy, doesn't overdo it, nor does he go too far with his accent.)

Safdie - (Speaking of accents, Teller's was that thick. And I'll say while the character has a decent-sized role the approach was different than I expected, though the storyline was still there the meat of it was given to a different character. Anyway, Safdie though I think is effective in this sort of specific personal intensity of a man preoccupied with his own obsessions, and I liked how often when others are scared by what they are creating Safdie's reactions are always that of being intrigued and loving it. Setting up a man who would only go bigger effectively, and even more so. The personal angle of the character, again the main emotional element is really given to a different character, but I think he's effective in showing mankind of going through the motions of "friendship" even in betrayal, and is a man really defined by his personal passions and nothing else.)

Krumholtz - (I will say I think it is fascinating to see him grow into really this classical style character actor at this point, and to his credit he's quite good at it, fitting in where ever he is put. Here bringing a nice sense of more overt warmth and care in his interactions with Murphy, and creating a more genuine friend character.)

Conti - (Could go higher, as I think it would be very easy to overplay the role or be too reverent as Einstein. Conti I think finds the right balance in being the expectation of Einstein, while giving him an honest personality and life that isn't just of an icon. Finding the moments of this fatherly warmth, but also combining them with this sort of empathetic burden of thought in his scenes with Murphy that are quite striking, particularly the final one.)

DeHaan - (I liked his creepy energy here and thought he brought the right weasel-style energy.)

Ehrenreich - (Thought he was very effective in completely realizing the arc just through line deliveries and reactions that are reflections of another character. Creating the right sense of growing frustration and then sort of need for supporting the right thing throughout. You always understand his character because of Ehrenreich's performance and he makes an impact even though his role is that of a facilitator.)

Clarke - (Again brings that sort of force of a government hatchetman like Scott in Murder, as someone who knows the upper hand in the situation and intends to use it. Clarke brings this very effective hectoring delivery of someone who really wants to pester with every prod, and cut deeper just a bit more with every extra statement he has to make. Bringing the right overt antagonism and sense of the injustice personified.)

Blair - (Brings the right sense of genuine concern in his reactions though mixed with his every growing and compounding frustration that grows and grows every scene that he is in. Creating the right sense of really his own character getting shafted through the situation.)

All other threes don't have big roles, but I think manage to make a little bit of something out of what they do have.

Oldman - (Thought I'd separate him because I thought his performance was terrible, then great all within maybe a minute of screentime. His first 30 seconds though thought he was almost like a weird wax display of a president Frankensteined to life. Then his final few seconds of portraying his own guilt, while also portraying his anger at someone making him feel that guilt, and sense of dismissiveness of someone with a different wait and disgust towards someone thinking their woes to him. I thought in just a look Oldman managed to convey all that, and he ended great, even though started terribly. So kind of a very mixed performance, which is weird because it is such a brief one.)

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Delightful, they make for a surprisingly great pair, as Downey's extreme extroversion and charm actually gets the extreme introvert in Nolan to actually open a bit more than usual.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

I saw Oppenheimer. Pretty much great in every way except for chaotic pacing before the Trinity test scenes, which makes some supporting players very hard to focus on and almost irrelevant. Despite this it's making my top 5 of the year.

Murphy-5
Blunt-4
Damon-4
Downey Jr.-4.5
Pugh-3.5
Hartnett-3
Affleck-3.5
Malek-3
Branagh-3
Safdie-2.5 (the accent was too much to handle)
Arnold-2.5
Krumholtz-3.5
Modine-3
Dastmalchian-2.5/3
Conti-3/3.5
DeHaan-3
Clarke-4
Hall-3
Blair-3
Oldman-4
Angarano, Quaid, Wolff and Ehrenreich-2/2.5 (alas, the pacing's victims)

RatedRStar said...

I have a feeling that Oppenheimer might overperform in the acting categories, 4 acting noms perhaps, potentially beating out a smaller film out of the running.

Louis Morgan said...

Ytrewq:

I'll just state I adored the pacing, and given the film was 3 hours, I was impressed with how much Nolan was able to get in there, as there isn't any empty space in its runtime. Having said that, certain characters like those scientists, I think work as groupings of characters, showing just how many people were contributing and how many different voices Oppenheimer had to deal with out don't think it hurt the film in the slightest that they weren't given more time because they served their purpose as they were.

RatedRStar:

At this venture I'd say Murphy and Downey are VERY likely. If supporting actress is a barren category in terms of academy contenders then Blunt feels likely enough, though I think she can be left off even if the academy loves the film if supporting actress is a strong enough category. Damon would need the film to have its best day I think, though he seems personally well liked enough, that maybe he could do it with a little less.

Luke Higham said...

RIP Tony Bennett

ruthiehenshallfan99 said...

RIP Tony Bennett

Calvin Law said...

I did Barbenheimer (over two days, so not really I guess), liked both with some caveats for both, but definitely a great time at the movies.

Barbie
Robbie - 4
Gosling - 4
Ferrera - 4 (MVP)
McKinnon - 3.5
Rae - 3.5
Ben-Adir - 3.5 (should've had more to do)
Cera - 3.5
Perlman - 3.5
Everyone else a collective 3 more or less, besides
Ferrell - 1.5

Oppenheimer
Murphy - 5
Blunt - 3 (going back and forth on her)
Damon - 4
Downey Jr. - 3.5 (will just have to be the minority on this)
Pugh - 3
Hartnett - 4
Affleck - 3
Malek - 3 (I agree he's limited but I thought this was *very* clever casting by Nolan)
Branagh - 3.5
Safdie - 2 (massive weak link)
Arnold - 3
Krumholtz - 4 (loved every scene he had)
Modine - 3
Dastmalchian - 3
Conti - 3.5
DeHaan - 4 (biggest surprise)
Ehrenreich - 4 (completely agreed on how he did a lot with very little)
Hall - 3
Clarke - 4
Goldwyn - 3
Oldman - 3 (again 100% agreed)
Blair - 3.5
Remar - 3

Louis Morgan said...

For Barbie, in the first act thought I was in for something truly special, as the aesthetic is wonderful, the cast charming, and the script often very funny. Then once they get to the real world, I thought it got pretty mixed in the 2nd act, some bits worked, others didn't (I hated the Mattel executives), and the swings in tone I didn't always think fully worked, not that they were bad however didn't find the transitions all the smooth. In the third act, I thought it got its footing again, with a particularly memorable climactic sequence, though I thought the denouement, while not bad, dragged a lot in order to tie up every bow. Now I suppose the bows needed tying, but the scripting of it might it feel a bit labored just as, okay now it's this person's turn, then this person's, and just didn't flow fully for me. Still, there's plenty to enjoy here, even if I didn't love it.

Robbie - 4
Liu - 3.5
Ben-Adir - 4(Thought his reactions were consistently hilarious)
Ferrara - 4
McKinnon - 3.5
Cera - 3.5
Perlman - 3.5
Mirren - 3
Ferrell - 1.5(The role needed the John Vernon treatment)
Collective Kens and Barbies - 3

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on the cast.

Anonymous said...

Louis, is Gosling Lead or Supporting in Barbie

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Robbie - (I will say there is part of me that does find she is getting a bit too samey with her performances, having said that though I still found her largely effective in playing the kind of "perfection" that slowly cracks away to existential crisis before coming into her own a different way. She punctuates each part with enough genuine emotion while playing the role of the stereotype. Doing a lot of the tone balancing and doing it effectively.)

Liu - (I thought he did pompous bravado quite enjoyable. Really one note in it, but in a rather entertaining way.)

Ben-Adir - (It was just fun to see him in such a silly role really, and the way he just owns it with every overly earnest delivery and hapless reaction just made him a consistent source of fun.)

Ferrera - (I will say thinking about the film a bit more there are some things that don't really work at all in the dramatic, as her relationship with her daughter really doesn't add up to any more than a plot device. Still having said that, I do think Ferrera is effective in playing between moments of surprise and joy of suddenly being in the situation, while also finding the sense of genuine exasperation and emotion of being in turn in different directions. And again while every beat I don't think worked, she sold them consistently.)

McKinnon - (It's very much in her wheelhouse, but I think it wholly worked here. Bringing the sort of mad random delivery quite effectively, and just worked well for the unlikely sage role.)

Cera - (Him doing his typical thing, but as a punchline, and it worked. Even if a bit involving fighting I thought was random to the point of not working, but regardless the quick cutaways to his consistency were always amusing.)

Perlman - (I do think she should've been cut out of the film just for pacing, and while I understand her purpose, I think just to get there felt very labored. Still found she brought the right type of blunt sincerity to the part with a low-key warmth within it.)

Mirren - (Hits the expectation.)

Ferrell - (It's him just doing his shtick, which often gets old for me and was immediately old for me here, making the character just feel again like something that should've just been cut or reworked. Again though I think someone playing the part absolutely, extremely deadly straight could've worked. But he's wacky on top of wackiness and makes the real world just as silly, which honestly doesn't make any sense to how they set up the world. In fact, thinking about this more the more I hate the whole Mattel subplot, and not just due to Ferrell.)

Anonymous:

Funny enough, he felt a bit like Downey in Oppenheimer, where there are several scenes from their perspective but they still feel supporting.

Marcus said...

Louis: Are you saving Gosling because of an outside shot at an Oscar nomination?

Luke Higham said...

Marcus: With the ongoing strikes, it would be wise to save him regardless and he might be a 4.5 for Louis.

Louis Morgan said...

Marcus:

While I won't specify whether I'm saving him due to quality or Oscar nomination potential, he is currently being considered as a possible contender. Which in a standard year I'd say would be fairly unlikely, however with the strikes contributing to delays and limiting potential campaigning, I wouldn't say it's impossible.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Which award contenders do you think will still be released this year aside from the most acclaimed from Cannes.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

All the Non-English contenders (which helps all of those theoretically), and I think all the Netflix contenders will also stay put. I think everything else has the potential to get pushed back, though I don't think all will, hopefully not Next Goal Wins at the very least (though I don't think it will be a contender, but come on, let's just see it at this point).

Matthew Montada said...

Just finished watching Oppenheimer. Loved, Loved, LOVED this movie so much! Easily will be in my top 3 of the whole year.

Letterboxd Review: https://boxd.it/4ysR5R

Cast Ratings:
Cillian Murphy - 5
Emily Blunt - 4
Matt Damon - 4.5
Robert Downey Jr. - 5
Florence Pugh - 3.5
Josh Harnett - 4
Casey Affleck - 4
Rami Malek - 3
Kenneth Branagh - 3
Benny Safdie - 3.5/4
Gary Oldman - 3/3.5
Dylan Arnold - 3
David Krumholtz - 3.5/4
Matthew Modine - 3
David Dastmalchian - 3
Tom Conti - 3.5
Dane DeHann - 3.5
Alden Ehrenreich - 4
Jefferson Hall - 3
Jason Clarke - 4
Tony Goldwyn - 3
Macon Blair - 3.5
James Remar - 3

Louis Morgan said...

Tahmeed:

Jacobs would be #7 in guest.

Jeremy Allen White - (I think in both seasons he does a masterful job of playing someone quietly on edge all the time, which simply occasionally spills over. He portrays so well this pent-up anxiety as just a feature of a man, not something that comes and goes. In his eyes, in his manner, he is someone who is always ready to snap in some way. So when he does it is this natural flow towards going off at 11, which Allen portrays always as the most vicious of desperation that he is always lost even when he is yelling at someone else. Balancing that is the sense of genuine humanity within his desperation. There is such honesty he portrays whenever he verbalizes the truth behind Carm where he brings the bluntest honesty that is both completely broken while also seeking for that better thing. It, of course, needs mention, his monologue in season 1 is amazing, as he articulates every word of it with his emotion that we see all that defines him and what makes him always slightly broken.)

Moss-Bachrach - (I thought he was great in season 1 in playing basically the representation of the old restaurant which is with a combination of confrontation, and familiarity but also a lot of on-edge desperation. Bringing this sort of overly earthy manner who looks for the rude approach first thinking about things later, but there is always more depth in his performance than that. Season 2 I thought was just his season as he does begin with such a powerful portrayal of the self-reflection as you see in his performance someone looking into a void of nothing, only hiding that through his dismissive attitude. He's then amazing in his focal point episode in showing the man genuinely gaining purpose and it is brilliant because he shows you how the man discovers himself, his ability, his passion, and his value. I love the moments of the self-actualized Ritchie where Moss-Bachrach puts all his mistakes in the way he delivers the word, straightforward, but so honest and vulnerable, yet with always the sense of seeking to repair. His performance in the final episode is just amazing as you see the payoff of the man taking off, finding his charm but also finding his drive and Moxx-Bacharch brings you into every single moment of it. Even in his yelling match with Carm, Moss-Bacharch using his old intensity now to basically try to snap someone else out of their emotional rut.)

Edebiri - (I think really is pitch perfect in finding this endearing wunderkind personality because she shows how it can be off-putting in her flaunting of expertise, while also being so genuine in the simplicity of her passion behind it all. She has a great unfussy sense of delivery more than anything and I love how she approaches her more emotional moments with this casual delivery, yet you see everything she's thinking about in the moment. It is wonderful to work as she manages to play extreme confidence with uncertainty as something that makes sense and simply is who she is.)

8000's:

Stray Dog:

Murakami: Steven Yeun
Sato: Song Kang-ho
Yusa: Choi Woo-shik

Though I think Choi and Lee would be the most ideal as the detective duo, Bong doesn't cast them.

High and Low:

Kingo Gondo: Song Kang-ho
Inspector Tokura: Park Hae-il
Detective 'Bos'n': Kim Roi-ha
Reiko Gondo: Lee Young-ae
Ginjiro Takeuchi: Steven Yeun

Bryan L. said...

I know they don’t really matter much* and I know its still early, but Gosling in Barbie just seems like a lock for a Golden Globe Best Actor in a Comedy/Musical nomination. He always seems to land in that category.

*Just want to emphasize that, but I have a feeling they’ll be trying for a comeback.

Bryan L. said...

*matter much anymore

Tony Kim said...

Louis: I ask this while being slightly tongue in cheek, but do you have any plans to see Sound of Freedom?

Also, thoughts on the A Haunting in Venice trailer?

Louis Morgan said...

Bryan:

If they place him lead, probably. If he's put in supporting, I think he could get nominated there, but won't win.

Tony:

I have no plans to watch that film at this time.

Having forgotten that it was another Branagh Poirot, I was quite taken aback to see him pop up given it felt like entirely just a horror film in the build up to his appearance. Which hey, genuinely going in for horror atmosphere is pretty neat, as is the genre shift even with Poirot around. Weird but I liked it, though to be fair despite being FAR from perfect, I liked both of his Poirot films so far, so I'm in.

Anonymous said...

Louis having now seen them what are your predictions for Oppeneheimer and Barbie Oscar nomination wise?

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Oppenheimer:

Most likely (I'd definitely predict):

Picture
Director
Actor
Supporting Actor (Downey)
Adapted Screenplay
Cinematography
Editing
Score
Sound
VFX
Production Design

Possible (though I might not predict):

Supporting Actress (Blunt)
Supporting Actor (Damon)
Costumes

Barbie:

Most Likely (I'd definitely Predict):

Production Design
Costume Design
Song - "Just Ken"

Possible (though I might not predict):

Makeup & Hairstyling
Supporting Actor (Gosling)
Picture (heavily dependent on how the strike impacts other releases)

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...
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Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Your thoughts on John Bernthal, Abby Elliot, Liza Colon-Zayas and Oliver Platt in The Bear? I'll ask you for your thoughts on the other guest actors another time.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Regarding your earlier comment on the strikes, you've done an excellent job pinpointing the various changing aspects of the industry that are causing conflict. Just curious, why would you argue against hiring writers' rooms for all shows?

Robert MacFarlane said...

Anyone randomly think how bad a Sorkin version of Oppenheimer would have been?

Robert MacFarlane said...

By the way, are there any Oppenheimer supporting players you’re considering saving for a more detailed review? Because I liked Jason Clarke the most of the supporting cast.

Bryan L. said...

Robert: Funnily enough, Sorkin did come to mind a couple of times when I watched the film, but mainly because the films’ structure and dialogue-heaviness reminded me of The Social Network. Otherwise, yeah, it probably would’ve just been another Ricardos.

Louis Morgan said...

Tahmeeed:

Bernthal - (I Thought he was terrific in his one scene in giving you a sense of the sort of "power" of the brother compared to Carmy, as he brings the right charisma and bravado, the man who is the room when he's in it, however also shows the sense of something being wrong on the edge of it. His performance in season 2 though is just amazing throughout the episode as we get that other half of him again, and the way that is both fun but also imposing. Then though you get the edge and him starting to go over it. The vulnerable hostility with such viciousness within it is just incredible the way Bernthal makes it so naturally unnerving while making it feel so painfully human as it comes from such a broken man.)

Elliot - (I actually didn't like her performance all that much in season 1, thought she bordered a bit on one note at times and didn't get enough of a sense of her relationship with her brothers. Season 2 fully and completely repaired that. Finding nuance in portraying the way she really interacts with everyone from her sort of no-nonsense hostility towards Ritchie, to some of that to Carmy though mixed in with a genuine concern, then her sort of playing the precious niece card with Platt, and of course everything with her mother. There she brings such a sense of the history of real difficulty in both seemingly feeling inadequate while also concerned, while also broken by her relationship in many ways. Just fantastic work there.)

Colon-Zayas - (Liked her a lot in her arc of season 1 of quietly bringing this no-nonsense energy to so much of it, as someone just doing her job she's done for a long time and getting exasperated by the new young person telling her what to do. Making the moment of getting appreciated by her genuinely powerful. And we see her expand on that effectively in season 2 in showing her still very much herself but showing more and more confidence in the kitchen.)

Platt - (I mean Platt is always Platt, but Platt is always Platt. And by that, you always get what you expect from Platt, but because of that, you also always get that. In that Platt, is always a minor variation on a theme, but it is typically cast very well so you get that properly, and while I've never been surprised by a Platt performance, I've never been disappointed by one either, and he is extremely consistent. That is the case here once again, where I knew what I was going to get, and I liked it.)

Tony:

Some shows have a single writer, so to require those shows to have a writer's room would be an artificial requirement. Of course such a stipulation about such a situation I think probably could be easily figured out in a proper negotiation...if those were happening.

Robert:

There's a lot of race to be run, but I certainly wouldn't be against potentially diving deeper into some of the cast beyond the three I haven't talked about yet.

In the Sorkin version, Strauss would've been turned into the quippiest character who ever lived.

Calvin Law said...

Sorkin would've changed up the Truman/Oppenheimer scene into some weird heart to heart (in short, would've been the worst scene ever).

Louis Morgan said...

Calvin:

"Now listen here Oppy, A famous monk once said, “I don’t always know what the right thing to do is, my Lord, but I think that the fact that I want to please you, pleases you.” and that's all both of us need to remember. So let's wash our hands together, and talk about what expensive place we can turn into a ping pong room together."

Robert MacFarlane said...

I kind of consider the Truman scene to actually be the most thematically pivotal in the film. Complain about Oldman if you want (I thought he was great, to be honest), but I was so relieved they didn't blunt the edges of Truman's apathy. It's on the nose, but more or less what actually happened in their meeting. A lesser (American, at least) film would have been too timid to outright call Truman a villain in history. It's always the loud part too many history teacher in America tends to say quietly. Nolan shouts it.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: I don't mean to drag this out, but do you mean that in the sense that some creators deserve to have full creative control over their work without the contributions of others? I'm not disagreeing with you, just trying to make sure that I understand your point.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Yeah, I thought Oldman was better than most people here think beacuse his performance in just a minute reflects how this jolly guy immediately becomes intense and vulgar the moment he finds a detractor. A guy like Truman surely wouldn't be pulling any punches when finding out about Oppenheimer's stance after the bombs were dropped.

If Sorkin were to direct it, I'd have done anything to watch Downey Jr.'s realization that his character is yet another clone of Tony Stark.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Your thoughts on this interview with Murphy and Downey Jr.? Especially found Nolan's perception of Strauss/Oppenheimer being akin to Salieri and Mozart interesting.

https://youtu.be/oXT6NNrpFg8

Louis Morgan said...

Robert:

I'll be curious to see how his performance fairs for me on re-watch overall, because again, I LOVED everything he did once Oppenheimer spoke about his guilt, that glare that Oldman gives Murphy is bone chilling.

I'll say I also LOVED the Remar scene where they're discussing where to the drop the bomb in terms of that theme, where all the air gets sucked out of the room (in terms of truly taking the choice of where to drop the bomb seriously), when it becomes clear that Remar's character really is sparing Kyoto just because he likes to vacation there. And we see how blithe they're truly being in making the decision.

Tony:

The bigger point I'm making is that if someone wants to write something entirely by themselves (and have proven capable of doing so) they should be able to do so. And in those instances not be forced to pay for additional writers just to satisfy a contract requirement, despite having no desire or no need for them.

Tahmeed:

Yes I heard RDJ talk about that comparison as well in his career retrospective interview, and that wholly clicks in terms of Strauss/Oppenheimer dynamic in the film.

Anonymous said...

Louis what would be your cast and director for a 70's Oppenheimer?

Shaggy Rogers said...

Hey Louis
Tell us what you think the cast of The Aviator would look like if Nolan directed and Jim Carrey played Howard Hughes in the 2000s.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Your thoughts on this scene, and the performances of Quinta Brunson and Ayo Edebiri in it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGGgMmydF6c&ab_channel=KyRoses

Bryan L. said...

Louis: How do you think the following actors would’ve fared as, uh, Sully in Bones and All?

Dennis Hopper
Vincent Price
John Malkovich
Michael Wincott
Steve Buscemi
Hugo Weaving

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Bryan: I believe Louis picked Malkovich as Sully in an 1980s version of BaA.

Overall it's a bit amusing how Sully has become one of those "We Don't Talk About X" characters on this blog.

Robert MacFarlane said...

*pops out of manhole* Did I hear y’all talk about that guy I don’t like.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Bryan: Assuming none of those actors are Family Guy fans, I think they could have all been interesting as Sully. I'd also add Tom Hanks to that list for obvious reasons.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: OK, thanks for the clarification.

Some are theorizing that Barbenheimer's success at the box office following a series of franchise flops could signal the end of the superhero era. Your thoughts?

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis: Any particular roles you think Keith David would have been good in if he had been offered better roles during his career (aside from a titular character in Spawn)?

Bryan L. said...

Ytrewq: Ah, I knew I had seen Malkovich referred in connection to Sully on here. Must’ve slipped my mind.

Tahmeed: He would’ve aced the “friendlier” scenes as Sully; big roll of the dice when he would’ve had to go full-on creep, I feel.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Your thoughts on these alternate casting choices?

Rebecca Ferguson as Alicia Huberman
Vanessa Kirby as Frances Stevens
Hayley Atwell as Eve Kendall
Bryan Cranston as Harry Caul
John Cazale as Jim Kurring

Louis Morgan said...

Shaggy:

I mean I'm cool with keeping most of the Aviator cast, except swap Baldwin with Tom Wilkinson (I mean look at a picture of Juan Trippe), I imagine the Nolan perspective would've been very different and based on Oppenheimer I think definitely would've preferred to see the Nolan/Carrey version.

Tahmeed:

I mean I always love Tuco and his brother scene. Anyway, though out of context though that classic idea of siblings kind of choosing their path and the conflict of it is always a potent one, and even here without any context. And well acted from both as they seemed honest siblings to me airing it out, again with only this snippet to go off of.

Bryan:

Hopper I think would be great, a variation on Feck, so creepy as hell, but I think in a very strange way less immediately off-putting.

Price would be amazing in a 60's Corman version.

Again 80's Malkovich I think would've done something amazing with it, current Malkovich less os.

Wincott, 100% would be creepy but more overtly seductive.

Don't quite see Buscemi in that one.

Weaving in an Australian film would be a fascinating complex depiction that could go any way, in an American production he'd be a potentially entertaining but more to-the-point villain.

Tony:

Well, that is ignoring the successes of Guardians 3 and Spider-Verse. I do think the auto-greenlit is finally going to be turned off on superhero movies, however, I do think they will remain a mainstay for a while yet.

I mean what should the studios take from Barbie and Oppenheimer's success? Have trailers that actually look compelling and cultivate directors that cultivate audience interest. Really the shifting is continuing towards directors selling a movie more than actors do (which really should've always been the case). Of course, studios never learn the right lessons and they usually take the most surface ideas from somewhat unorthodox successes. Barbie, probably they'll say "Oh people want toy properties again", and with Oppenheimer, "Oh World War II is in". Rather than looking into the more nuanced reasons, like they actually looked intriguing, ambitious and one had a rising director building audience support, and a director with the most audience support behind them. From this studios should be saying "Let's find our roster of superstar directors", but I don't think that will be the case.

I mean Ferguson already has the look-down, but yes I think she's ideal for the spy cloak-and-dagger world.

Personally, I'd prefer to see Kirby in a more interesting role, but I do think she'd ace that one regardless as she can weaponize sultry.

Atwell, I don't really see it as kind of quietly alluring, as I feel Eve is supposed to be more modest a character overall.

I don't know Cranston's struggled in my mind with cinematic leading performances, so I'm not sure I'd trust him with Caul even if he seems the right type on paper. Maybe with a strong director, I could see it.

100% can see Cazale in that role, and being absolutely heartbreaking.

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdwlJk6PkSA&t=

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: If you have time, would you be interested in checking out Abbott Elementary? Found it to be a breath of fresh air as far as network comedies go, by actually being funny.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the direction, screenplay and score of midnight cowboy

Tony Kim said...

Louis: I'm not asking if you've checked it out yet, but have you decided which Simpsons episode you're going to watch from the two I mentioned earlier?

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Do you have any plans to watch the Futurama revival? Also, have you seen Disenchantment?

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

I have to admit a bit of surface dive there overall as the conversation, might've gotten something a bit deeper if they were in the same room. As I mostly got out of it was that Park said not to just copy a style and that working in English is hard.

Tony:

I have not.

Not really, I thought it fell off a cliff quality wise near the end of its original early run, I caught a few episodes from the return seasons, which I thought were better than the end of season 5 episodes but still didn't like them enough to go out of my way to catch up.

I have not seen Disenchanted.

Louis Morgan said...

Tahmeed:

I'll keep that in mind.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Death of the Author, esp. with regards to how the artist's intentions for a given element may differ from the viewer's interpretation of it? Have there been any instances where you have disagreed with the artist on the interpretation of something in their work?

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on this trailer for Season 2 of Invincible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED1SJ1TA2Do

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Do you have any plans to see Rye Lane or Theatre Camp?

Emi Grant said...

So, my hard-drive finally tapped out right before the biggest movie weekend of this decade so far and I only just got my laptop back, but I still did a triple feature of Mission Impossible 7, Barbie & Oppenheimer in that order last Saturday.

I liked a lot the former, liked a little less the latter and LOVED the last one.

MI: Dead Reckoning Part 1:

Cruise: 3.5
Rhames: 3.5
Pegg: 3.5
Atwell: 4
Kirby: 4
Ferguson: 3.5
Morales: 2.5 (Eh, I would've preferred Dalton just doing Lalo for this)
Klementieff: 4
Whigham: 3.5
Davis: 3

Barbie:

Robbie: 4.5
Gosling: 4.5 (He's the MVP and that's Kenough)
Liu: 2.5 (Solid, but oversadowed, imo)
Ben-Adir: 3.5
Ferrera: 4
Greenblatt: 2.5
McKinnon: 3.5
Cera: 3.5
Perlman: 3.5
Ferrell: 2.5
Mirren: 3
Other Kens and Barbies: 3

Emi Grant said...

As for Oppenheimer:

Murphy: 5 (Don't see anyone dethroning him for my Best Actor win)
Blunt: 3.5/4
Damon: 3.5
Downey Jr: 4.5 (could go up)
Pugh: 4
Affleck: 3.5
Malek: 3
Branagh: 3.5
Safdie: 3.5/4 (He was great accent and all. Wth, guys)
Clarke: 4
Arnold: 3
Harnett: 3.5
Conti: 4
DeHaan: 3.5
Ehrenreich: 3.5
Quaid: 3.5
Peck: 3.5
Oldman: 3
Hall: 3
Goldwyn: 3
Remar: 3.5

Calvin Law said...

Louis: would you agree that Chris Cooper would've been a good chocie for the Mattel CEO role (I know your problems extend beyond the performance though).

Matt Mustin said...

Absolutely ADORED Oppenheimer. A masterpiece. Loved every second of it.

Murphy-5(No one is topping him this year.)

Blunt-3.5

Damon-4

Downey-5(Lots to talk about here, that's for sure.)

Pugh-3.5

Hartnett-4

Affleck-3.5

Malek-2.5(The problem is his big moment is set up to kind of be a showstopper and he does not deliver on that at all.)

Branagh-3

Safdie-4(NO idea what everyone's problem is with the accent. Sounded natural to me.)

Krumholtz-4

Modine-3

Dastmalchian-3

Conti-4

DeHaan-3

Ehrenreich-4

Hall-3

Clarke-4

Oldman-3.5

Blair-3

Always nice to see James D'Arcy.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Just gonna confess I don't see the big deal with Downey in Oppenheimer and if it comes down to Gosling vs. him in the awards race, I'm voting Baby Goose.

Also, I seemed to like Barbie more than the rest of you? I even liked Ferrell, and you know I'm not exactly his biggest fan.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Noah Hawley's take on the Mike Yanagita scene in Fargo? https://www.avclub.com/fargo-showrunner-noah-hawley-takes-us-through-the-show-1798269551

Matt Mustin said...

I'll be honest, I'm gonna need a rewatch for Downey with the full context of everything to really cement how I feel, cause there's a lot going on there.

Matt Mustin said...

Might bump Oldman up to a 4 actually, thinking about it more. He's got like a minute of screen time in a 3 hour film but he's REALLY sticking with me.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Found Oppenheimer masterful in every way, aside from a missed opportunity to use Linkin Park's 'What I've Done.' But I won't hold that against Nolan, this is right up there with The Prestige as his very best for me.

Murphy - 5 (should sweep every Best Actor prize without question)
Downey Jr. - 5
Blunt - 3.5
Damon - 4
Hartnett - 4
DeHaan - 4
Affleck - 4
Pugh - 3.5
Safdie - 4 (part of me wishes we had more of Teller, but I think he's used excellently within the narrative scope, accent and all)
Oldman - 3.5
Conti - 3.5
Branagh - 3
Ehrenreich - 4
Malek - 3
Clarke - 4

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J96 said...

I love these discussions.

Hey BRAZINTERMA, any new rankings coming? Supporting Actor/Actress, Director, Picture, Original and Adapted Screenplay, etc?

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Thinking about it, I'd raise Blunt to a 4, her work throughout the film (and especially the third act) is really staying with me.

Emi Grant said...

Tahmeed: That "I think we did" with that final stare as the chorus kicks in Transformers style would've been fire, ngl.

BRAZINTERMA said...

J96: I wrote the rankings of
- Supporting Actress on Ben Whishaw's post in Bright Star; and
- Best Picture on Alternate Best Actor 1961 post.

Supporting Actor and Director I'll write in Louis's next posts so the comments don't get too many rankings. Screenplays I didn't get to watch all winners.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Do you intend to watch TMNT: Mutant Mayhem.

Louis Morgan said...

Aaaaah that was a refreshing vacation, glad to see nothing burned down, just some more love for Oppenheimer which is as refreshing as my vacation.

Tony:

While I don't believe it is factual truth, I do think it is the best way for an artist to go about their work (Aka the David Lynch way) for a few reasons. One being, I think there is a kind of if you weren't able to say in the art, you are almost undercutting your art by spelling out your message, by almost saying "Well I didn't quite get across what I wanted to say so HERE IT IS CLEARLY". Two I think art is designed for the individual reaction, so to desire a certain extremely specific reaction feels silly, since who someone is and where someone is coming from should come into play. That is why I try not to argue favorites, though I will defend my own position because different films/performances should hit people differently because people are different. Three, it is a whole lot more fun to interpret than to be told.

One I can't quickly think of is the Coens saying the opening to A Serious Man is meaningless beyond setting a general mood when I very much see it as purposefully introducing the theme of uncertainty in regards to the supernatural, however in this instance the presence of a demon rather than the presence of God.

Sooner than later.

I don't really agree, I feel the scene very specifically is designed to make Marge second guess her initial interview with Jerry, making her decide to go back, not some support of the "true story" bit.

8000's:

I mean that is quite the vocal cast, looking forward to it.

Calvin:

As a pseudo reprise of his Muppets performances? Definitely. I could also see Tracy Letts doing a far better job if we're keeping it in the Gerwigverse.

Luke:

Based on the reviews sooner, than later.

Emi Grant said...

Louis: Thoughts and ratings on your vacation?

Louis Morgan said...

Emi Grant:

The Trip - 5/5(Excellent)

The Company - 5/5(Excellent company)

The Food - 5/5(Excellent food)

The Sights - 5/5(Excellent Sights)

Emi Grant said...

Oh, man. That sounds like an all-timer.

8000S said...

Louis: I'm still kind of surprised that in your thoughts on the scene from Stray Dog where Murakami begins to cry over Sato's injury in the hospital, you didn't say that it was also another scene that proved that Brando didn't exactly invent intensity in acting. Cagney's breakdown in White Heat is also another great scene that demonstrates intensity.

I often wonder if some people who have seen most of Brando's work, also have seen Mifune's.

Tony Kim said...
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Tony Kim said...

A belated RIP to Sinead O'Connor.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Your thoughts on this video about Harry Dean Stanton's career? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4UWJDBIT0g

RatedRStar said...

Louis: How was Alaska? lol

Mitchell Murray said...

Random gaming question for everyone, still referencing "Red Dead 2" which I'm continuing to play: Who would you cast as some of the principle characters?

I have some ideas...

Arthur - Ben Foster (right in his wheelhouse), or perhaps Cole Hauser (His "Yellowstone" role being the chief reason)

Hosea - The latter's a little old now, but Dermot Mulroney or David Strathairn seem pretty close

Sadie - A younger Frances McDormand would've been perfect, but as of right now...I imagine Vanessa Kirby or Rebecca Ferguson could nail the part

Totally open to suggestions for Micah, Charles and others.

RatedRStar said...

Mitchell: My cast for Red Dead Redemption 2

Arthur - Josh Brolin (as long as he doesn't do a True Grit)
John - Norman Reedus
Dutch - Jeffrey Dean Morgan
Sadie - Vanessa Kirby
Micah - Ben Foster (I see Foster as Micah rather than Arthur, he is more fitting for a snake villain)
Hosea - David Strathairn
Sean - Domnnall Gleason (Easily the best choice, he is a dead ringer for him)
Bill - David Harbour (only if he could play evil)
Javier - Gael Garcia Bernal
Josiah - Ben Mendelsohn
Molly - Caitríona Balfe
Mr Pearson - John Bradley (older)
Susan Grimshaw - Imelda Staunton
Rains Fall - Graham Greene (same as the game)

No idea for Abigail, Charles, Lenny, Reverend Swanson, Tilly, Mary Beth, Karen, Kieran, Uncle and Leopold.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your 70s, 80s, 90s and 2000s cast and director for Oppenheimer?

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Any upgrades/new saves for you on this watch of Oppenheimer?

Emi Grant said...

Louis: Thoughts and ratings on the cast of Mother?

Really glad to see you dug it. It's a Top 3 in Bong's filmography for me.

Shaggy Rogers said...

I also rewatched Oppenheimer today and the movie got better. That's what Ari Aster should learn with Beau Goes Sleep in how to make an inviting 3-hour movie.
I hope Murphy and Downey Jr. be Louis's #1 ranks in lead and supporting of 2023.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Thoughts on Rosebud, Bart of Darkness, and Bart's Comet?

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

I'll admit Brando didn't come to my mind when watching the scene, since he's not in the scene. I will say the whole public perspective on Brando in general is a bit skewed and overstated. While his impact was definitely important to cinematic acting in terms of the general trends, it also often simplifies it. I think that in part comes from people repeating who haven't seen a lot of classic films to begin with, particularly international classics, and probably haven't seen all of Brando's work. Because to say like Brando removed kind of aggressively formal acting, ignores a lot of his other performances that are very formal, if not even stiff like Sayonara.

Tony:

A fine retrospective, though I did think it got a little lost near the end when talking about Stanton interviews, particularly when bashing the bad interview which made the video go off the rail. But anyway, sums him up pretty well before that point, even if it wasn't too surprising in terms of things I didn't already know overall, but I hadn't seen some of the clips from some of his early work that Stanton found draining, which was nice to see.

Anonymous:

Just start with the 70's:

Oppenheimer 1970's directed by Stanley Kubrick:

Oppenheimer: Alan Arkin
Kitty: Natalie Wood
Groves: Jack Warden
Strauss: Gregory Peck
Jean: Ann-Margret
Lawrence: Peter Graves
Pash: Joe Turkel
Hill: Ian Holm
Bohr: James Mason
Teller: Judd Hirsch
Nichols: Lance Henrikesen
Robb: George C. Scott
Einstein: Sam Jaffe
Rabi: Paul Sorvino
Aide to Strauss: Harrison Ford (Not as a joke, as that does seem like one of his pre-Star Wars roles).
Truman: James Whitmore

Tahmeed:

Well I'd say I really wouldn't mind going into even more detail on Krumholtz and Clarke, maybe even Affleck (depending on how the year shakes out). Also I'd move Safdie up to a 4 (Re-watch only reinforced my disagreement on the LVP talk). I'd move Oldman up to atleast a 3.5 as well, who I think benefits from getting used to what he's doing, as that's one of my favorite scenes in the film, and he's definitely a part of the reason why.

And I also have to say, though she's a 3.5 still, the talk around Blunt's drunk scenes has gotten pretty overblown given she plays drunk for one scene, that isn't even a long scene. Still don't love the way she plays it, but I've seen some reactions as though that's the majority of the performance.

8000S said...

Louis: What do you think of these casting choices for a Coen Brothers version of Dr. Strangelove?

Richard Jenkins as Merkin Muffley
John Goodman as General Turdigson
Clancy Brown as General Ripper
Tim Blake Nelson as Major Kong
Stephen Root as Colonel Bat Guano

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