Wednesday 21 June 2023

Alternate Best Actor 2009: Ben Whishaw in Bright Star

Ben Whishaw did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying John Keats in Bright Star. 

Bright Star depicts the romance between the poet John Keats and Fanny Brawne (Abbie Cornish). A film I must admit I more so appreciated, particularly in terms of the aesthetic, than I loved or fully connected with. 

67 comments:

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast.

Thoughts on the Costume Design and Screenplay.

Robert MacFarlane said...

I can't wait Schneider's review. I wish I had discovered the film before my granfather passed just to show him Americans CAN do Scottish accents.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on the score and cinematography.

Tony Kim said...

Louis, what are your thoughts on the Challengers trailer?

Calvin Law said...

Shame you weren't that absorbed into the film, but happy that Whishaw gets another 4.5.

Matt Mustin said...

Louis: I'm noticing a trend with you and Jane Campion, I think.

Matthew Montada said...

Calvin: ratings for the casts of Asteroid City & Sanctuary?

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on the Drive-Away Dolls trailer.

Shaggy Rogers said...

Hey guys
Talk about your bets on Louis' Top 5 Best Adapted Screenplay:
1. The Road
2. Coraline
3. In the Loop
4. The Secret in Their Eyes
5. The Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call - New Orleans

Louis Morgan said...

Found Asteroid City intolerable. As Wes Anderson's aesthetic powers rise his narrative/character-building skills diminish. He truly is becoming a diorama maker, as everything is beautifully crafted, and wonderful to look at, but filled with hollow and altogether lifeless characters. There was perhaps a bit here or there I liked, but for the most part, found the film aggressively indulgent without making me care for anyone or anything going on, they were just objects to be toyed with for a while until Anderson got bored. The worst of it may be the tiresome framing device, the story in the story (something we need to get a restraining order for on Anderson so he'll stop it once and for all), which only exist per need of reference and presumed depth, however, is just hollow posturing. This is all coming from someone who likes to love nearly all of Anderson's work, but I found this largely a tortuous experience. Hopefully, and very soon, Anderson will make a film that looks as pretty, but I actually care what's going on. 

The cast for the part isn't the problem other than Schwartzman and Johansson who I found dry as sand paper (intentional no doubt but I hated that intention).

Matthew Montada said...

Louis: ratings for the cast of Asteroid City?

Hoping to check it out myself tomorrow.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the more noteworthy members of the cast.

When I saw that this was going to be another large ensemble cast film, I couldn't care less about it. I'm looking forward to Henry Sugar as it does have a slimmed down cast and Ralph Fiennes returning. Anderson films are best when they have a sole lead in them.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

I believe I covered Cornish more or less in the review, though she's also a 4.5 (in the only performance of hers that I've liked).

The costumes are splendid and an interesting choice in the way they are so vibrant against the sets which are bit more mundane looking. It works though in kind of emphasizing the characters in the frame, while also just looking wonderful as appropriate to period with just a touch bit more flamboyance. Carefully not too much, but does accentuate the character quite effectively.

The screenplay for me I think works in terms of creating the sort of weaponization of dialogue in a way in the connecting between peoples where the film does work, via the conversations between Keats, Brawne and Brown. I find everything around them less intriguing, same with the realization of the structure towards tragedy, great moments in there, but it isn't a consistent arc realized in my mind. Moreso the implementation of the poetry is where I did think the film struggled a bit, again to create that cinematic moments, not terrible mind you, but they were more there than flawlessly implemented when not interwoven more so through character interaction.

Tony:

Trailer wise I thought it was put together rather poorly, particularly by revealing sort of the shift I imagine from the first to the second act, also not sold as of yet by Zendaya fully (having not seen Euphoria). Still looks moderately interesting, though Guadagnino's batting average for me is still very low, despite his success last year, and I do imagine the actual film will be better edited than the trailer.

Luke:

I guess Joel is the serious Coen? This looks like a certain type of Coen brother comedy, though perhaps even more than as perhaps this was undiluted Ethan all the way. I guess in that sense it could fly off the rails as a screwball thriller/road trip type thing always can? But certainly intrigued regardless.

Matt:

You may be onto something, though I do quite like The Piano.

Luke:

Johansson - 2
Schwartzman - 2
Everyone else (more or less) - 3 (MVP, maybe Wright just because he monologues so well with Anderson's dialogue)

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on Bright Star's Score and Cinematography.

Tim said...

off-brand question for everyone here: how much merchandise do y'all possess/ how much do you show your fandom for movies outwardly?

Me myself, i do not much care for merchandise. My largest amound of money spend is on steelbooks of certain films i like a lot instead of normal Blu-Rays, including some posters, but that's it.

Other than that, I've got the Donnie Darko numbers tattooed on my left forearm, but that reaches my extend of fandom

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Tim: I have a movie-themed notebook in which I write down the names of the movies I've watched on certain dates, years and the directors. You can achieve it using various websites, but I like being able to also archive all of that in a good, old-fashioned way.

Additionally, I use a mousepad with an imprinted image of Raimiverse's Norman Osborn holding a pair of oranges (based on an infamous image of Willem Dafoe doing just that) and I may also have a Pirates of Caribbean poster lying there in the attic.

Emi Grant said...

Oh, well. I might end up the sole Asteroid City lover here, lol. That said, I do agree regarding the framing device.

Tim: I don't really have much movie/tv related merch outside of a Squid Game and a Breaking Bad shirt, but I look forward to being able to sport more film-related merch in the future. I don't mind wearing stuff like that at all.

Oh, and posters. Good god, I want posters.

I do have more than a couple of band shirts I regularly use, for what that's worth.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Emi: I’m seeing it Sunday, maybe you’ll have my sword

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Yeah the trailer seemed to be more focused on showing off the sex appeal rather than clearly conveying the conflict. Makes me wonder if the film is being marketed as much more commercial than it actually is. But between that and Drive Away Dolls, September's going to be a very horny month for movies.

Per your earlier post, your thoughts on The Call of the Simpsons, Three Men and a Comic Book, Treehouse of Horror II, and Homer the Smithers?

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

A fairly minimally used score, but certainly a rich one with the impassioned strings that are rich romance while still being subdued to a certain extent. They create the tenderness of emotion within the work, that feels period relevant without being specifically that. It compliments well particularly the words of the poetry in the film, and while not used too much, it is used well.

Fraser's work is frequently striking, obviously amplified by the direction which has very specific choices in the use of colors that are always contrasting against more subdued environments, and Fraser's work amplifies that with the lighting that emphasizes the vibrancy of those colors against the greys and blander colors. Additionally the shots are wonderfully composed that often paint our individuals in the center focal point within their environments that denotes a certain loneliness quite pointedly.

Tony:

The Call of the Simpsons - (You can see them still working out what the show is exactly, but this is starting to hue closer to what it became. In that you have a genuine family story of going camping, with some good gags in there, such as the sleazy salesman, Homer's hunting methods and the whole bigfoot debacle later on. It's a little slower than what would become the standard, but you can see them in the right direction.)

Three Men and A Comic Book - (I'll admit I saw this before I saw Treasure of the Sierra Madre, so it was a bit of reverse engineering. Nonetheless the sendup of that film, particularly with Bart going full Bogart, is absolutely hilarious, I especially love their snacking in suspicion, and the general obliviousness of the adults as the kids go insane over the comic book. The whole progression of the plot though is wonderful, and all the side bits are great, such as what Milhouse really wants, or the comic book guy's glee at their sharing error.)

Treehouse of Horror II - (All the sections here are great, and are notable in how much they cram in so quicky, both in terms of plot and gags in such short order. The first story doing the Monkey Paw so wonderfully, from the gag of the sendup of Simpsonmania, to the Aliens being defeated by a board with a nail in it, and of course Homer's cursed too dry Turkey. The second story being a great parody of the twilight zone episode, with a genuinely kind of sweet resolution. And then the third story being just a great series of gags per Mr. Burns's poor experiment I especially love his proving his genius to the guy at Radioshack.)

Homer the Smithers - (Consistently hilarious while telling a complete story. From Lenny's friendly drunkenness that is interpreted as hostility, especially love the dramatic thumbs up, to Smithers being replaced by Homer, the latter tortured with the ever spoken "Simpson" and then following Smithers as he tries to get back, and hits rock bottom with the Barney guarding job. Then the hilarious resolution of Homer's poor attempt at being Burns's mother and the final fight.)

Louis Morgan said...

RIP Frederic Forrest

Luke Higham said...

RIP Frederic Forrest

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

RIP Frederic Forrest

BRAZINTERMA said...

RIP Frederic Forrest

BRAZINTERMA said...

Hello Louis and folks.
Recently I managed to finish another Oscar category: best supporting actress. So, let's go to another mega ranking:

87º Renée Zellweger
86º Ingrid Bergman
85ºAnne Hathaway
84º Penélope Cruz
83º Miyoshi Umeki
82º Gale Sondergaard
81º Helen Hayes
80º Juliette Binoche
79º Gloria Grahame
78º Maureen Stapleton
77º Celeste Holm
76º Mercedes Ruehl
75º Margaret Rutherford
74º Patricia Arquette
73º Kim Basinger
72º Sandy Dennis
71º Anne Revere
70º Laura Dern
69º Geena Davis
68º Jennifer Hudson
67º Shelley Winters (The Diary of Anne Frank)
66º Estelle Parsons
65º Wendy Hiller
64º Anjelica Huston
63º Cate Blanchett
62º Josephine Hull
61º Octavia Spencer
60º Mira Sorvino
59º Jessica Lange
58º Jennifer Connelly
57º Meryl Streep
56º Judi Dench
55º Jamie Lee Curtis
54º Alicia Vikander
53º Dianne Wiest (Bullets over Broadway)
52º Eileen Heckart
51º Jo Van Fleet
50º Hattie McDaniel
49º Lee Grant
48º Rachel Weisz
47º Goldie Hawn
46º Alice Brady
45º Catherine Zeta-Jones
44º Dianne Wiest (Hannah and Her Sisters)
43º Peggy Ashcroft
42º Beatrice Straight
41º Melissa Leo
40º Teresa Wright
39º Mary Steenburgen
38º Mary Astor
37º Fay Bainter
36º Olympia Dukakis
35º Anne Baxter
34° Angelina Jolie
33º Regina King
32º Ethel Barrymore
31º Whoopi Goldberg
30º Marcia Gay Harden
29º Donna Reed
28º Maggie Smith
27º Shelley Winters (A Patch of Blue)
26º Allison Janney
25º Jane Darwell
24º Tilda Swinton
23º Anna Paquin
22º Vanessa Redgrave
21º Marisa Tomei
20º Katina Paxinou
19º Ariana DeBose
18º Brenda Fricker
17º Lupita Nyong’o
16º Shirley Jones
15º Mercedes McCambridge
14º Patty Duke
13º Viola Davis
12º Claire Trevor
11º Rita Moreno
10º Dorothy Malone
9º Mo’Nique
8º Lila Kedrova
7º Tatum O’Neal
6º Eva Marie Saint
5º Cloris Leachman
4º Kim Hunter
3º Ruth Gordon
2º Yuh-Jung Youn
1º Linda Hunt

Tony Kim said...

RIP Frederic Forrest

Louis, since you've mentioned having watched the occasional post-S13 episode, have you by any chance seen any of the following:

Moe Baby Blues
Eternal Moonshine of the Simpson Mind
Holidays of Future Passed
Halloween of Horror

Tony Kim said...

Louis, your thoughts on these alternate casting choices for Amy Dunne:

Nicole Kidman
Rachel Weisz
Emily Blunt (maybe a bit too young)
Elizabeth Debicki (definitely too young but imagine her in the right age and it could work)

Calvin Law said...

Emi: I liked Asteroid City on the whole too, though with reservations.

Emi Grant said...

Calvin: Oh, well. I'm glad, lol.

Mitchell Murray said...

Rest in peace, Frederic Forrest.

Mitchell Murray said...

Also, random gaming note here: I played "Until Dawn" in it's entirely last night, and I have some thoughts...

-Unironically one of the better horror "films" I've seen, in that it totally works as a celebratory genre movie

-Even I underestimated how involved the player participation is, with all the clues, quick time events and character choices

-All but two people survived on my first playthrough. I already want to play it again and fix that.

-I was playing the game through the night (9-3:30 or so), so I was almost playing the story of "Until Dawn" in real time

-If you told me Ashley Johnson voiced Hayden Panettiere's role, I'd believe you as their voices are quite similar

-MVP of the cast is Rami Malek; He's convincingly broken and delusional, and it's likely my favourite performance of his that I've seen (haven't watched "Mr. Robot" that much).

-I think Peter Stormare flipped-flopped HARD between delightfully unhinged and bad ham. I'm not sure what direction he was given, but I guess enough of it worked for me still.

RatedRStar said...

RIP Frederic Forrest

RatedRStar said...

Mitchell: I remember the marketing for Until Dawn being terrible and most people expecting it to be bad and then it came out and was surprisingly good, I would recommend you try The Quarry, its not as good but its still pretty solid.

Mitchell Murray said...

Also, let me edit myself - all but two people DIED on my first playthrough; Sam and Emily, for those who've played it.

The latter I actually found quite annoying and unlikable for most of the early game (though still well acted by Nichole Sakura, or as she went by then, Nicole Bloom). Then I guess after playing her myself and getting her through the ordeal, I gained sympathy.

RatedRStar: I'll have to keep that in mind, as I've heard good enough praise for that game. Also, what did you think of the major confrontation scene between Michael, Josh and Chris. I'm keeping it vague, but you probably know the one I'm speaking of, and I must say Malek really shines there.

Maciej said...

RIP Frederick Forrest

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RatedRStar said...

Mitchell: Its a great tense exchange, particular Malek and how the tone changes, as it goes from Josh pleading innocence before slowly starting to mentally crack and even humorously trying to troll the pair.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis: Could Patrick Wilson go up for Watchmen? I have rewatched it recently and I can say that he gives my third favorite performance in the movie after Haley and Morgan.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Sorry Louis, count me on the “Asteroid City is great, actually” team.

Matthew Montada said...

I concur with Robert, Calvin, and Emi. I loved Asteroid City.

Letterboxd Review: https://boxd.it/4qk6nh

My Cast Ratings:
Jason Schwartzmann - 3.5
Scarlett Johansson - 4
Tom Hanks - 3.5
Jeffrey Wright - 4
Tilda Swinton - 3
Bryan Cranston - 4
Edward Norton - 3.5
Adrien Brody - 3
Liev Schreiber - 3
Hope Davis - 3
Stephen Park - 3
Rupert Friend - 3.5
Maya Hawke - 3
Steve Carrell - 3.5
Matt Dillon - 3/3.5
Hong Chau - 3
Willem Dafoe - 2.5
Margot Robbie - 3.5 (great one-scene wonder performance)
Tony Revolori - 2.5
Jake Ryan - 3.5
Sophia Lillis - 3
Grace Edwards - 3
Aristou Meehan - 3
The Junior Stargazer Kids - 3

Robert MacFarlane said...

I’m honestly considering the possibility it’s my favorite Anderson.

Mitchell Murray said...

Btw, played "Until Dawn" a second consecutive time just for the heck of it.

Less people died...still feel bad about the ones that did.

Anonymous said...

Anybody seen Past Lives yet?

Robert MacFarlane said...

Anonymous: I’m seeing it tomorrow

Tony Kim said...

Louis, what's the most you've ever changed your mind on a film?

Tim said...

R.I.P. Frederic Forrest

Louis Morgan said...

Tony:

I've seen Moe Baby Blues and Eternal Moonshine.

Kidman would've aged out of the role at the time, but she essentially, and effectively, did her own rendition of the character in To Die For (except she actually did both halves of the character).

Weisz I feel would've fallen into the same trap as Pike, which could've been effective as the cold killer but kind of forgot about the "false face" part.

Blunt's interesting in that she can actually do both, I'm not sure she'd necessarily pull it out for that performance, because she can be great, but she isn't always great.

Debicki I could easily see excelling with it, and would actually serve as a subversion of sorts of the role she's been pigeonholed into.

Ytrewq:

Probably not, only because I think he's saddled with trying to create chemistry with Akerman's wooden performance.

Tony:

Sure as hell won't be Asteroid City (that's a joke by the way).

I don't think I've ever gone from loving to hating a film or vice versa. Usually it is smaller shifts than that. Going from thinking a film is okay or just "good", to thinking it is great a list of those can be found here: https://actoroscar.blogspot.com/2017/04/alternate-best-actor-2012-matthias.html

Or thinking it is disappointing to genuinely hating it the more I think about it. Like Thor Love and Thunder last year, I wanted to give it some benefit of the doubt, but the more I thought about it the more I realized it was just atrocious.

Robert MacFarlane said...

One day you will look up and shout "Robert, you were right about Asteroid City! And Fight Club! And Batman Returns!"

And I'll look down and whisper, very softly, "I'M ALWAYS RIGHT!"

Louis Morgan said...

Okay Rorschach.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Well I am always right, tho

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Your ranked top 10 television seasons (or 15 if 10 is too difficult)?

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Eternal Moonshine and Moe Baby Blues?

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Robert: I'll join you due to that inclusion of Batman Returns.

Louis Morgan said...

Robert:

Well good luck with Batman Returns in particular, watched a few clips just now to remind myself about the film, and wanted to melt my computer with sulfuric acid.

Tony:

Eternal Moonshine I thought fell into what most "praised" episodes go into, which is some playing around with the structure of the episode. In this instance breaking the chronological order to create the Eternal Sunshine comparison, though as a mystery. I felt there was a little bit of fun to be had in those fanciful moments, however never did I find it all that amusing, and the whole potential emotional aspect just was absent, I'll say in part because of the modern Simpson vocal performances that have so much less heart to them, aside from Azaria and Shearer who from what I've seen still give a bit more.

I HATE suicidal Moe revamp of the character, and the aggressively pathetic version (he was pathetic before, but the they didn't accentuate to such a ridiculous degree). So I don't care for the episode at all, particularly not the "there's Moe being creepy" moments, despite Azaria giving a good performance.

Tahmeed:

1. The Simpsons Season 4
2. The Simpsons Season 5
3. Breaking Bad Season 3
4. Succession Season 4
5. Succession Season 2
6. Succession Season 3
7. Fargo Season 2
8. Seinfeld Season 7
9. Seinfeld Season 8
10. Breaking Bad Season 4

Tony Kim said...

Louis: I disliked Moe Baby Blues less than you did but I can see where you're coming from. Eternal Moonshine I'm generally sympathetic to you on, and would add that there's really no tension to the episode at all since it's so obvious that Homer wouldn't do what he suspects himself of having done. The tone also leans too much on the side of comedy than drama for it to have emotional impact (unlike the classic era where it knew how to balance both), which could be forgivable had the humour not been generally weak and reliant on parodies irrelevant to the plot (a constant problem of the Al Jean era), making the episode come off as glib and disjointed as a result.

What would be #11-25 on your list of favourite TV seasons?

Matt Mustin said...

Watched Heist last night. Gets too twist-happy and convoluted as it goes on, as is typical with Mamet, but I enjoyed it largely due to the joy of watching these actors have fun with Mamet's style.

Hackman-4.5(Honestly not a great character really, but it's just a joy to see Hakcman run with this part and dominate the film with his prescence.)

Lindo-3.5

DeVito-4(Absolutely THRIVES in Mamet's style and delivers all of his dialouge with beautiful relish.)

Pidgeon-2.5(I think she's trying for a femme fatale type of thing but it doesn't really work.)

Rockwell-4(Also does very well with the style and like DeVito makes the dialogue sing.)

Jay-4(Enjoyed his very much lowkey energy especally in contrast to everyone else, and then in his last couple scenes he's genuinely very moving.)

LuPone-2(Not in it much, but she felt entirely artificial)

Tony Kim said...

Louis, your thoughts on The Twilight Zone's "Passage on the Lady Anne"? I watched it on a whim today and found it to be... baffling, if certainly fascinating.

8000S said...

Louis: Your cast for a 70's Cogan's Trade (with Boyle reprising his role as Dillon and Yates directing and Monash writing the script).

Not gonna lie, it's a shame that a movie adaptation of Cogan's Trade was never made after the release of the movie adaptation of the previous Higgins novel, wouldn't you say?

We did get one, with Killing Them Softly (which was a underwhelming film), but a 70's Cogan's Trade could have been awesome, and way better than Dominick's version.

Anonymous said...

RIP Julian Sands

Luke Higham said...

RIP Julian Sands

RatedRStar said...

RIP Julian Sands

Tony Kim said...
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Tony Kim said...

RIP Julian Sands.

Louis, are there any elements of film you can't comment on, not because you'd be opening up a can of worms, but because you feel you just don't know enough about them?

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

RIP Julian Sands

Louis Morgan said...

Tony:

11. Twin Peaks The Return
12. Breaking Bad Season 2
13. The Honeymooners
14. The Simpsons Season 6
15. It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia Season 4
16. The Simpsons Season 7
17. The Simpsons Season 8
18. Breaking Bad Season 5
19. Better Call Saul Season 3
20. Seinfeld Season 6
21. Better Call Saul Season 5
22. It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia Season 5
23. Chernobyl
24. Seinfeld Season 4
25. The Sopranos Season 3

There's some Twilight Zones I've seen many times over, others I've seen like once, "Passage" falls into the latter. And from what I recall it being a decent if somewhat heavy-handed at times, sort of "in the end" feel good Twilight Zone episodes, not a classic but a decent one, again from what I recall.

I mean some topics I can get into the extreme details more than others, for example I don't know a great deal about making silicon prosthetics, but there are other more specific elements that I do feel comfortable commenting on.

8000's:

Cogan: Lee Marvin
Frankie: Dennis Hopper
Russell: John Cazale
Mitch: Ernest Borgnine
Driver: Joseph Cotten
Johnny "Squirrel" Amato: Richard Conte
Markie: Warren Oates

Maciej said...

RIP Julian Sands

Anonymous said...

Louis: Happy Breaking Bad season 3 is your favorite (it's mine also), most people I know say they prefer the last two seasons. Why do you think it stuck with you a bit more than the other seasons?