Wednesday, 21 December 2022

Alternate Best Actor 1974: Alan Bates in Butley

Alan Bates did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying the titular character of Butley. 

Butley is a very stagy film as directed by the famed playwright Harold Pinter about one man rambling on. 

What makes that synopsis work on any level is the rambling man in question, that is a tired English professor who pretty much is near some kind of rock bottom as he approaches his day, cutting his face with a razor and then proceeding to choose to mark up everyone he meets in a psychological sense. Bates might be one of the least talked about British actors who rose within the period of the 60s, but that says nothing regarding his talent as a performer, which was considerable. This whole film is essentially Bates unchained as he goes about portraying the perpetually witty and bitter Butley, ready to cut all down who come into his presence. Bates opens the film in this state of the man pretty much sunken and quite wretched as it seems he can barely even shave right, which seems to denote his very existence. The very existence that he deals with by turning his ire toward those around him. 

His first victim we find is his homosexual lover and colleague at their university, the latter who is unfortunate enough to also share his office. Bates's performance articulates a man who exists purely into trying to bite into another while also seething in this sense of self-loathing. Bates balances both to be the perfect sort of pinprick, well dropping the pin might be more accurate, in creating the specific sort of "elegant' viciousness. Bates's taking his already rather refined accent and kind of upping the superiority of it just a bit more. Bates speaks the words of Butley with the conviction and purpose of a true poet if the purpose of such a poet was all bile deep into his throat. Bates's line of attack towards his theoretical kindred man at one point is kind of a strange sort of dance of insults that reveal in combination a tapestry of hurt and hate in equal measure. Bates puts the man down with each cutting word but at the same time when speaking of the man leaving him, there is as intense of Butley's genuine anxiety over it. 

I think essential within this performance is that you very much sense the joy of performance within Bates's work, this is particularly important to grant any kind of levity within a character who really is all about inflicting misery and also feeling misery. Bates must be said does have fun in the role and exudes that in the right way that never subverts the nature of the character, however, makes it easier to spend time within his company. Bates basically sings the lines as he goes about the past and present of his relationship. Bates swaps around his methods so naturally and effectively in articulating the sort of mad genius of his Butley. It is kind of deranged but it is also kind of particular in a way that couldn't be more biting. Bates changes his voice a la Olivier in Sleuth in a way that is entertaining in itself but also shows the way Butley is always kind working in some kind of strange improvisation in his particular form of mental games. 

Bates is a bit different depending on whom he is speaking to, for example when speaking with who is purely a colleague in his institution Edna (Jessica Tandy). Bates still is bringing that playful quality but now it seems a bit more playful. He seems to articulate his ideas with a bit less hate. Bates brings a bit more of reserved quality that also suddenly reveals a bit more weakness and that anxiety about his work. He creates the sense of the man truly holding less well together in these moments when it isn't as easy to throw around his hate. Although when she leaves his presence, Bates is just as hateful towards her as anyone else, except Bates plays the moment even blunter and creates a loss of the facade of being indifferent. We rather see the man who attempts to hold any power through his bitterness and his technical wit. Bates though showing the game that Butley is playing in the successive scenes begins to wear on the man, and the sadness within begins to reveal itself just that bit more. Bates though wielding this qualities quite effortlessly depending on the party, and while it seems Butley hates everyone to a degree, the way it articulates itself is different within his performance. 

What Bates does here is more than the heavy lifting of the film, he is holding any qualities of the film on his back, and frankly, the film is asking too much of him as the film relies so wholly on Bates's performance to make the drama compelling. Bates manages to be everything he needs to be, which is a whole lot, while also being so essentially compelling just on his own, which he needs. This is every running-on a bit of monologue Bates not only has his go at it, but he also makes go of it and never misses a technical beat within his work. He manages to maintain the flow of the character's banter while still showing the ever-existing bit of self-loathing. The latter breaks and bends depending on who is talking about, the familiar or the acquaintance. Bates balances each moment through his deliveries of a killer tongue, yet his expression always can denote that much more pain that is deep within the man and very much decides who the man is. Although there are other characters this might as well be a one-man show of Bates purposefully acting around everyone, and doing quite the job of it. Although the film itself isn't successful, which is too dependent on Bates to the point of such stagnation around him, however, Bates delivers a great performance regardless. It is an articulate, elegant, broken and abrasive depiction of a man who hates everything but perhaps himself most of all. An effortlessly dynamic performance on its own, even as the film might've done him a bit more justice if it bothered to do anything other than essentially say "eh let's just watch Bates act". Which again, Bates is game for, delivers on, but it is a shame the film couldn't have done at least a little something to support its worth around him. 

176 comments:

Luke Higham said...

I'm happy he now has 2 fives.

Louis Morgan said...

Bryan:

1. Scrooge (1951)
2. A Christmas Carol (1984)
3. Scrooged
4. The Muppet Christmas Carol
5. Scrooge (1970)
6. Mickey's Christmas Carol
7. A Christmas Carol (1971)
8. The Man Who Invented Christmas
9. Mister Magoo's Christmas Carol
10. An American Christmas Carol
11. Carol For Another Christmas
12. A Christmas Carol (1935)
13. A Christmas Carol (1999)
14. A Christmas Carol (1938)
15. A Christmas Carol (2009)
16. Spirited
17. A Christmas Carol (2019)
18. Ebenezer
19. Rich Little's Christmas Carol
20. A Flintstones Christmas Carol
21. Bugs Bunny's Christmas Carol
22. Scrooge: A Christmas Carol (2022)
23. A Christmas Carol (1997)
24. Christmas Carol: The Movie

Nanou:

10's:

Calum: Domhnall Gleeson
Sophie: Mackenzie Foy

00's:

Calum: Paddy Considine
Sophie: Sarah Bolger

90's:

Calum: Cillian Murphy
Sophie: Rebecca Hall

80's:

Calum: James Nesbitt
Sophie: Emma Ridley

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

1. Milland
2. Mifune
3. Bates
4. Cagney
5. Hopkins

David Jones said...

Fantastic performance from Bates.

RatedRStar said...

1. Milland
2. Mifune
3. Bates
4. Cagney
5. Hopkins

Luke Higham said...

1. Milland
2. Mifune
3. Bates
4. Cagney
5. Hopkins

8000S said...

1. Milland
2. Mifune
3. Bates
4. Cagney
5. Hopkins

Tim said...

1) Milland
2) Mifune
3) Bates
4) Cagney
5) Hopkins

8000S said...

Louis: What are your thoughts on this quote from Scorsese?

"If the first cut of your film doesn’t make you physically ill, then you have done something wrong."

Tim said...

on what Tony asked last post: it's the latter. Look up this time last year and the weeks after. Over the Holidays and up until the next nominations are announced, Louis will watch these, then give quick thoughts and cast ratings

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

Similar statements are made by many filmmakers, illustrating the importance of editing and why it is called the rough cut. And it makes sense as so many of the refinements (sound, music, the editing of course, the color grading) on the film have yet to be done, but also the filmmaker is seeing what they shot clearly, so they'll naturally see the mistakes they might've made first, but also just seeing the task they may sit before them to now make everything work.

Calvin Law said...

Nope missing out on Sound is inexplicable and ridiculous, but otherwise don't have any real issue with the shortlists as it generally comes down to competitiveness.

Louis: could I have your thoughts on the makeup/hairstyling and visual effects of EEAAO?

Calvin Law said...

And Giacchino's score for The Batman.

8000S said...

Louis: Lynch also once said that if you watch a movie on a telephone, you'll never fully experience the film. Would you agree with his statement?

Oliver Menard said...

1. Milland
2. Mifune
3. Bates
4. Cagney
5. Hopkins

Lucas Saavedra said...

1. Milland
2. Mifune
3. Bates
4. Cagney
5. Hopkins

Bryan L. said...

1. Mifune
2. Cagney
3. Milland
4. Hopkins
5. Bates

Lucas Saavedra said...

Louis: what are your thoughts on this scene from Nebraska (2013)?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xmgD52VooCI&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast of Ali & Ava.

Emi Grant said...

1. Milland
2. Mifune
3. Bates
4. Cagney
5. Hopkins

Omar Franini said...

Louis: am I still in time to make my recommendation? If so I’ll choose A Fugitive From the Past (1965).

For 2022, I suggest you to check out (when these movie will be available):
-Godland (one of my favourites from this year, Crosset Hove and Sigurdsson are strong 4.5s for me. )
-The Apartment with two Women (a terrific Korean debute, Kim Se-in is one of the most promising filmmakers in South Korea)
-As Bestas (the movie is worth checking out for Menochet’s performance, probably his best work in my opinion)
-Leila’s Brothers (solid but slightly overlong Iranian drama, but the cast ensemble is terrifc, from Alidoosti to Mohammadzadeh and especially Poursamimi)
-Pacifiction (I know you weren’t impressed by La Mort de Louis XIV, but this movie is more “accessible” and engaging, hope you will enjoy it more, Magimel gives his career best performance.)

Matt Mustin said...

The reviews for The Pale Blue Eye are in and it sounds like a resounding "meh".

Perfectionist said...
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Perfectionist said...

If that's how things are going, I am honestly fine with Christian Bale having only 2 5s on the blog. For me, being a very talented actor, and being a great actor are two different things. Bale is former. Choosing best scripts is an art too. Bale isn't intelligent enough to do that and it's kinda frustrating. Many actors, some only half as talented as Bale, are simply far more intelligent. Nothing wrong with having "stinkers" or "mehs" every once in a while, but with Bale, it's been the thing with him for more than a decade now.

Tony Kim said...

Tim: Oh OK. In that case, I'd recommend to Louis the film The Novice (2021).

Nanou said...

Nanou: Bale pound for pound is as physically gifted and as naturally talented an actor as anyone that’s ever lived, but I agree with you. His ability to put in great, unique work can be stymied by his script choosing ability, and as we know it’s very difficult to get a 5 level performance out of an actor when your script is lacking substance.

Which is why, say compared to his contemporaries Joaquin Phoenix and Leonardo DiCaprio, his output suffers. The opposite has happened with Bradley Cooper, also a contemporary, as of late.

Louis: Can you name other actors with the same problem as Bale? His raw talent seems palpable but he just isn’t on that next level in terms of script choosing, and it has hurt his output of 5 level work.

Luke Higham said...

Disappointing but at least I don't have to worry about any of Louis' 5s missing out on a review.

Anonymous said...

Luke, what is your current Best Actor nominee prediction.

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous:

Butler
Fraser
Farrell
Nighy
Mescal (I hope he gets it as I really want to see history being made with this lineup)

RatedRStar said...

There is no way that Jackman gets nominated, I was so confident earlier that he wouldn't get in, even more so now, if he misses SAG he is done for good.

Louis Morgan said...

Saw Babylon, and as I the biggest supporter of Chazelle here, I liked it with many caveats. Hated the opening 20 minute where it tried so desperately to try to top Scorsese's debauchery in Wolf of Wall Street, thought the ending (while an impressive sequence in microcosm) was not earned as the finale of this film which seemed designed for the "greatest film of all time" which this film is not, Jovan Adepo's character is so strangely used as he seems too underdeveloped despite being given this random leading style focus at times and the film does drag in spots along with some odd editing choices throughout the film.

Having said that, I really liked it still as Boogie Nights meets Singin in the Rain (though I wish Chazelle hadn't decided to make sure we knew that at the end of the film so overtly), enjoyed the aesthetic, enjoyed the vibrancy, and enjoyed the madness of it much of the time. Liked many parts of the individual storylines and loved some specific sequences throughout the film. FAR from perfect, but plenty of it worked for me.

Robbie - 4.5
Smart - 3.5
Adepo - 3.5
Li - 4
Maguire - 3.5
Haas - 3
Minghella - 3
Weaving - 2.5
Waterston - 2.5
Jonze - 2(Should've gotten Herzog)
Flea - 3
Garlin - 2.5
Hamilton - 3.5
Byrne - 3.5
Roberts - 3
Suplee - 3
Scovel - 3

Louis Morgan said...

Calvin:

Mostly the makeup and hairstyling are the various absurd looks we get in the alternate versions, particularly the bagel hair, which are enjoyable and effective in being completely silly or in sometimes more glamorous. More importantly, though the hair choices with the makeup are well used in creating the different personalities based on those appearances. I'm surprised it missed out if only at the least for the 2001 parody was well-realized albeit silly in purpose. 

Honestly the visual effects I think are ideal visual effects in the sense they only amplify never distract, and are often just little bits of extra something here and there. The one that brings attention to itself is the bagel, which is a fine effect on its own, but most of the work is just streamlined and so effectively so as such.

8000's:


Yes, as the likelihood of immersion is severely decreased. The film is a visual medium and reducing it down to a small image that you can barely see, is far from ideal. And I'll add I originally watched some classics on VHS, and that was a disservice to most of them, because you do appreciate more, the more the film is as intended to be. 

Luke:

Rushbrook & Akhtar - 4.5(Both give an effective performance in creating the sense of their distress in the early scenes that isn't obvious but it is there. Both aren't suddenly exploding at any point, however, each gives the right sense of their degree of anxiety that just lives with them in their relationship. Both exude it very quietly yet presently as part of their existence that is simply that. This is opposed to when the two begin interacting and we see that simply vanish. This is believable as they switch over to a natural comfort shared between the two. Their chemistry is naturally in the ease the two have in their conversation, creating a sense of discovery between each other and a real key is both just actively being in the scene listening to the other. Neither takes the other for granted naturally earning the relationship. The two though are effective in showing that quiet internalized distress naturally seeps out as it is pushed out by other factors, Rushbrook bringing this overt sadness as it seems others are more concerned with their prejudice than her happiness, and Akhtar having the great moments of listening to music where he seems to bring out all his rage at the moment, using these scenes as a kind of pressure valve. Both bring a strict reality to every step of their relationship, earning even the most obvious moments because their performances are so convincing.)

Omar:

Not late at all, and I'll certainly try to seek out those 2022 recommendations.

Matt:

Sounds like a Scott Cooper film. 

Louis Morgan said...

Lucas:

Honestly I think what makes the scene, which is pretty cruel as written where a father basically says his children are "whatever they happen", is Bruce Dern who manages to deliver it in a way that isn't as cruel as it really is as written. The way he delivers it there's more so a strange sincerity about it that oddly makes it seem less hurtful.

Nanou:

I mean very recently Michael Fassbender, historically Liev Schreiber and Chiwetel Ejiofor come to mind as well. Though other than maybe Fassbender, I think the difference is Ejiofor and Schreiber probably have less of a choice.

Tony:

I've seen it.

Razor said...

Louis: I'm guessing Calva and Robbie are the leads?

Anonymous said...

Louis, thoughts on the cast Of Babylon.

Louis Morgan said...

Razor:

Calva, Robbie and Pitt are co-leads. Pitt is the least lead, but he's still lead. Adepo is presented as a lead as well, making it almost an ensemble but his part is at the same time so small, that he's clearly supporting.

Calvin Law said...

Glad you liked Rushbrook and Akhtar.

Louis Morgan said...

Robbie - (Her performance in the opening scene was much like the opening scene for me, where it wasn't working for me and I was very concerned it was going to be a VERY long film for me. Thankfully the performance ended up clicking in the following sequence where we see her come into her own as a movie star and for me, Robbie's performance came together. Robbie, for me, owns the style of the performance as the brash old-school starlet and very much realizes the way the character owns her sexual presence. Robbie manages to create the right sense of the character kind of coming into her own while also just being incredibly appealing as such. She became too much in the right way for me, where her performance very much embraced the too much of it all, and Robbie I think found the right approach with that. In part by being so much in a way that is appealing and entertaining but also by finding the moments of humanity in the character. Playing the sense of a kind of derangement in trying to basically be her expectation and both suffering from this but also embracing it in a strange dance she manages to create. She is also just great in very specific moments, whether that is the frustrations of trying to get down with the new techniques of film or another moment of trying to fashion a whole new persona. Ended really embracing this performance, despite not loving the start of it.)

Smart - (I actually thought she really didn't come into her own here, and we didn't get prime Smart until her final scene. In that scene, she does properly own it with this specific sort of intensity and cutting that I expected from the rest of her work that we don't quite get. Not that she's bad the rest of the time, but more just fine than I might've thought.)


Adepo - (Again the use of his character is so weird, though I did think he was convincing in his largely silent reactions in showing the proud passion of the character that slowly changes throughout the film.)

Li - (Wouldn't have minded more of her throughout and if again maybe Chazelle balanced all the stories out to make her and Adepo fully their own pieces in the overall tapestry, rather than smaller bits. She's terrific though in bringing this presence of someone who has a greater sense of ownership than Robbie's character. She brings a marvelous sly cutting and just sheer charisma.)

Maguire - (I think as written Chazelle telegraphed it far too closely to Molina in Boogie Nights, though where it goes direction wise I did end up liking it despite how obvious it was. Maguire I think is good not great in bringing this sort of twisted energy that is both threatening but also extremely curious.)

Haas - (Thought he was a decent sadsack even if we're kind of missing a key scene to establish his relationship with Pitt fully.)

Minghella - (He's fine.)

Weaving - (Didn't think she quite hit the comedic note here all that well and thought they would do more with her doppelganger quality with Robbie, sadly they don't.)

Waterston - (Mostly fine but we do get a bit of her specific bug-eyed overacting that hampers her work just a bit.)

Jonze - (Didn't like his accent or his manner in any way.)

Flea - (I Thought he did decent functional character work here.)

Garlin - (Eh should've gotten John Goodman.)

Hamilton - (Didn't know she was Chazelle's wife until finding out her name, she's good though and I think brings the right sort of bluntness but also quietly passionate energy to her character.)

Byrne - (Might not be for everyone, but thought his frustrated intensity worked here, a fitting followup to his Wolf performance.)

Roberts - (Does some fine sleazeball.)

Suplee - (Always in for Suplee brings a nice quiet menace.)

Scovel - (Not quite Thomas Janes, I thought he was fine but I think someone with just a bit better timing could've made this a bit more memorable than he is.)

Calvin Law said...

I hope I'll like Babylon, but also wholeheartedly admit that I wish Chazelle would've continued moving in the more internalised direction he did with First Man, easily my favourite of his works I've seen.

Louis Morgan said...

Calvin:

I would agree, unfortunately this is his film that's furthest from First Man and even though I did like this film, it has every indication of a director who believes they can do no wrong. I mean if this film's baffling ending had a subtitle reading "I am pretty amazing aren't I", it wouldn't have been ill-fitting. In that sense it is very much a companion piece with Bardo.

Calvin Law said...

Also, for a 2000s take on Banshees of Inisherin, what would you make of a Korean one which pairs Song Kang-ho and Choi Min-sik's characters as friends, Lee Young-ae as the sister, and Park Hae-il as the policeman's son? The more I think about it the more I love Inisherin and McDonagh's work in it, and would love to see more directors get a chance to do more insular and smaller-scale pieces like this as it seems to bring the best out of them.

Mitchell Murray said...

So, this is going to be a two part question for everyone here...

1) What would be some good bilingual films you would recommend to viewers trying to learn the languages involved? For reference, consider movies like "Minari" where there are two languages featured in roughly equal measure (in that film's case, english and korean). In my specific case, I'm still trying to become more fluent in french, so a film that's half english/half french would be a useful resource.

2) On that note, what would be everyone's thoughts on these french covers of english songs? I just discovered this channel a few days ago, and while I have issues with some tonal and structure changes in specific covers, their work is pretty solid overall.

Apologize - One Republic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjuP49xhboM&ab_channel=SARA%E2%80%99H

Unstoppable - Sia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QD3t_pMBuE&ab_channel=SARA%E2%80%99H

Numb - Linkin Park
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ79fFbcp_s&ab_channel=SARA%E2%80%99H

Matt Mustin said...

Louis: I mean, I'm the one guy on earth who has La Land in his top five films of all time without hesitation, so I think you have some competition in terms of Chazelle support.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Oh, OK. I see. Just found your thoughts on the film, interesting points. I'll recommend Faults (2014) instead, unless you've seen that one too.

What were your thoughts on Calva in Babylon?

Luke Higham said...

Tony: He's saving him for a potential review.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Faults had its theatrical release in 2015.

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the cinematography of Welles' adaptations of Macbeth and Othello.

Oliver Menard said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the screenplay and cinematography of Tess.

Tim said...

Matt: I have it in my Top 5 too. Which brings to mind, i've never given my favorites in here, did i?


10) The Graduate
9) Titanic
8) The Exorcist
7) It's a wonderful Life (with different child actors and some odd cuts being handled better, this might be on 1)
6) The Departed
5) Silver Linings Playbook
4) La La Land
3) The Lord of the Rings Trilogy
2) Godfather 1 and 2 (i also enjoy 3, but don't watch it nearly as often)
1) The Social Network

Tim said...

also, i didn't know what to watch yesterday, so i decided to finally watch The Irishman.

First of all, i had heard from some people whose opinions i really respected that apparently the first three hours were great and that the last half hour was too long and Marty should have killed his darlings better.

For me, it was the other way around. For three hours i was thinking "this isn't bad, but i don't really care for it". The most emotion i felt was when Jo Hoffa hesitated to start her car. I could imagine that Hoffa would get killed at some point (because why else have him in there?) and guessed (correctly) how Frank would tie in there, other than that i found it mostly too long.

But then the last half hour, after Hoffa's death, i was completely gripped. Not anything with the characters we knew well, it was what they did with Anna Paquin's character that really made me go "Ahh, this is what this movie's doing!"

I still think it's too long in many parts and I'm not gonna watch it a million more times, but that ending made me appreciate the whole experience a bit more

Calvin Law said...

For my money, Glass Onion > Knives Out.

Matthew Montada said...

Louis: ratings and thoughts on the cast of Marcel The Shell With Shoes On?

Calvin: ratings for the cast of Glass Onion?

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast of Submarino.

Matt Mustin said...

Tim: There's nothing wrong with the child actors in It's A Wonderful Life.

Mitchell Murray said...

So I finished the first season of "The Crown" tonight. Before I give my general thoughts, I should make two broader points. First off, while I'm roughly familiar with the history being covered, I'm not intimately knowledgeable about every detail regarding the English royals. Given that and how the show's later seasons received criticism for it's inaccuracies, I'm largely going to assume it has the standard blend of truth and creative liberties. And second, I was initially worried the series would be an entirely positive portrayal of these people and their legacies. Indeed, there may still be things they didn't explore fully, such as the greater context behind Churchill's influence over India. Overall, though, I'm at least glad to see there are attempts to show the darker/more problematic aspects of this story, and the questionable attitudes of certain individuals.

With that out of the way, I felt the first season was an effective and compelling take on these events. It checked many of the boxes I would ask for with this kind of show; Technically sound, well paced (though the finale was a bit underwhelming), and informative to the degree that I'm learning more about it's subject. There's a lot that's conveyed through silence and muted/passive aggressive dialogue, which on a superficial level, does seem to work for our public image of the royals. I'll have to let things settle in my mind, but the first season did more than enough for me, I think.

As for performances...I can offer more extensive thoughts if prompted, but Foy and Lithgow are probably the standouts for me.

Emi Grant said...

Matt: I hope I don't come off as snide or anything, but after choosing to study filmmaking in college, I can guarantee you there's plenty of people who have La La Land in their top 5 films of all time, lol. It almost becomes a drinking game for when people introduce themselves.

Mitchell: Fwiw, I wouldn't have too much trouble guiding someone learning Spanish with the Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul universe. I don't know if I can help out much with any movies with French. Maybe Incendies?

Emi Grant said...

Tim: Glad to say we share #1s

Mitchell Murray said...

Emi: With BB/BCS, I have no doubt a lot of the Spanish dialogue is authentic; If it wasn't, I feel a lot of people would've voiced their disapproval, which I haven't personally seen that much of.

I have heard some people say Esposito's Spanish is kind of flat, but I also know Gus is from Chile and would have a different accent to his Mexican associates. I'm not terribly knowledgeable about that point, though, so I won't comment further.

Tony Kim said...

Thanks for the heads-up, Luke. I'm still relatively new to this site, so the rules can be a bit unclear to me. May I ask why you're noting it's a 2015 release?

Louis: Would you say the approach you have to evaluating acting has changed as you've maintained the site?

Luke Higham said...

Tony: For ranking purposes, Louis goes with the first theatrical release date instead of the first festival date.

Anonymous said...

Louis, what's your rating and thoughts on Bill Nighy in Love Actually.

Louis Morgan said...

Calvin:

I'd love to see the two paired together anyways, as they so rarely are, and would be a great fit, I'd say Song for Farrell, Choi for Gleeson.

Matt:

Fair enough.

8000's:

I mean it is doubtful that Welles would ever allow a film of his to be purely shot, and really the cinematography by Russell is probably his best asset, particularly in terms of covering up the limited sets. As per usual Welles with Russell composes his shots with great dynamic intention, however the lighting here is moody and intense, potent, and really you can see the ideas that Olivier would go with for Hamlet and even Joel Coen would later also realize in their Shakespeare adaptations.

Multiple cinematographers for Othello, and if you know about that production you could see the work often changes not necessarily probably due to the change in cinematographers (again Welles's the cinematographers friend at least in terms of getting their best work out of them) but whatever Welles would've had to work with at that particular time. Of course without the knowledge you'd just think it is an Othello with a intensity within the intimacy of every shot, often being closeups yet dynamic within the closeup, and lighting that keeps us close to the performers emotions more so than anything else. Perhaps hiding said limited sets in reality, but what Welles does here wholly works.

Oliver:

As with any novelist enterprise, where the structure is laid out for the filmmaker, it is how one uses that. In this case of course keeping essentially the main points of the piece and just trying to realize the virtues of the novel in a cinematic way. The screenplay I think artfully realizes the story that is purposefully episodic, as by the original design of the piece, in a way that does carry itself with a sense of forward momentum, with also a careful sense of what needs to be included and excised within the adaptation.

I believe I've commented on the cinematography before.

Matthew:

Slate's voicework is cute if just kind of that, Rossellini brings a nice sort of wise yet warm delivery. 3.5 for both.

Luke:

Cedergren & Plaugborg - (Both give effective performances in just showing the weight of their life in every moment of their work. Each though reflecting it in slightly different ways. Cedergren presenting the sort of attempt to dilute himself slightly from attachment and his reactions create the sense of a man just barely caring. This isn't because he doesn't care rather he illustrates a man who to care would be too painful. Plaugborg on the other hand shows the man losing himself either to complete daze of drugs or attempting to pledge himself to the joys of raising his son. Plaugborg being wholly sincere in the latter even as he shows the dreadful state of the man in most times. Cedergren's work in particular ends up leaving an impact in the later scenes by presenting the man finally attaching himself to something again, and reflecting that emotion more in a way that is truly moving to witness.)

Rose - 3.5(Is fairly effective in creating the sense of unease and sloppy sort of insanity that slowly reveals itself in a rather disturbing fashion.)

Louis Morgan said...

Tony:

Of course, the central truth I've found is all acting is about context to some degree and no performance is automatically too big or too small, it is all about its purpose and the material it is trying to bring to life.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

I'm sure I've given them before, but he's one of the few things that work for me in that film that causes me physical illness in most of its parts. I don't think I even love the material he's working with necessarily, but his Nighy way of delivering of it makes it work in his unusual way.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast of Turning Red.

Calvin Law said...

Oh wow you liked Turning Red *way* more than I expected. Although I suppose in a way, makes sense with the anime influences and how it diverges quite a bit from the Pixar formula as of late.

Quite a shame it didn't get a proper theatrical release, I think it would have done decently well.

Calvin Law said...

Also, your thoughts on the score and the song 'Nobody Like U'.

Calvin Law said...

Matthew:

Craig - 4.5
Norton - 4
Monáe - 4.5
Hahn - 4
Odom Jr. - 3.5
Hudson - 3
Bautista - 3.5
Henwick - 3.5
Cline - 3

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Speaking of Bill Nighy, is there any possibility of him getting an upgrade for Dead Man's Chest.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Is Bardem's rating for Biutiful final?

8000S said...

Louis: Another choice I've seen being thrown around for Teddy Roosevelt is Nick Offerman. Think he'd work?

Also, are you sure on your pick of Jonah Hill for Huey Long? I haven't seen anything from him that makes me believe he has the dramatic chops to pull him off.

Interestingly enough, John Goodman played Long in a TV movie.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Chiang - 4(Honestly one of the more emotional Pixar turns, though in a different emotional way than expected in presenting the puberty laced sense of random emotionality which I thought Chiang managed to do quite effectively that balanced within her work humorous intensity with more genuine sense of frustration that I felt managed to balance both quite effectively.)

Oh - 4(Brought for me the right sort of intensity that though does have enough depth within to be this constant oppressive factor where you are still granted some hint of warmth even in that intensity to not overplay the point too harshly, even as this a purposefully over the top version of the overbearing mom. Additionally has her whole later performance that I quite enjoyed, enjoyed that whole development in fact, and Oh I found brought the insanity of it quite ably.)

Lee - 3.5(Enjoyed just how modest his performance was in contrast and consistent in that sense.)

Ho - 3.5(Brought I think the right presence that is kind of on top of Oh's that's more of the distance but still very present in the same way.)

Hong - 3(Always enjoy him showing up vocally or visually once again.)

Luke:

Possibly.

Calvin:

Honestly might be my favorite score from Göransson which I think does quite the wonderful job of merging between 90's/early 00's Boy Band style with Chinese cinematic influences combined into its own thing. A score that is just a lot of fun in the way befitting the film's rather energetic tone, with the mix between the unexpected of the orchestral and more poppy elements to create I think a unique and rather effective blend between the two.

Well I would've certainly put in the shortlist over "Ciao Papa" or especially the rather unfunny and obnoxiously performed "Good Afternoon". Anyway I quite enjoyed the instrumentation in particular in how well it does evoke the Backstreet Boys and NSYNC style, particularly in the synth opening, which is the best part, that you could've easily convinced me was from one of those bands. I will say when it segues fully to the acapella, was a little less impressed as the outro, not that I hated or anything, and overall is still quite the enjoyable song.

Anonymous:

Yes, the performance does nothing for me.

Luke:

Perhaps to some degree, as I've always liked his performance and Davy Jones as a villain, despite not always loving the writing around him.

8000's:

I don't see him as a sole lead type performance as Roosevelt, but I could see him doing well with it in a supporting role version, like how he is depicted in The Wind and The Lion for example.

I'd counter with Maniac and War Dogs, both where he surprised me with what he was capable of. He might not be able to pull off the period, but I would like to see what he could do. (though obviously would say a screen test version there.) I think it is also important to remember Long wasn't that old, he was 42 when assassinated, so much of his rise would have to be a fairly younger performer.

Calvin Law said...

I enjoyed the contrast between Oh's voice work in Turning Red and Invincible quite, I have to say.

Robert MacFarlane said...

I guess I’m the only one who thought Hudson was MVP of Glass Onion. Basically laughed at every facial expression. Reminded me a lot of Catherine O’Hara in Beetlejuice.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Saw Aftersun. Rather low-key, but I liked what it had to offer.

Mescal-4
Corio-4

Robert MacFarlane said...

Luke/Louis: I rewacthed the Pirates movies last year, and I actually think Nighy’s better in At World’s End. Specifically his “My heart will always belong to you” moment.

Perfectionist said...

What is everyone's choice for best actor, if you all don't mind??? At the moment, it's Paul Mescal for Aftersun for me, although I am a bit conflicted overall as I totally see the hype with almost all of the other favorites too and loved them. Maybe towards the end of the season, Farrell might end up being my choice.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Perfectionist: Based on the 2022 releases I've seen so far, Farrell for the win.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Perfectionist: From what I've seen, Park Hae-il, though Mescal sounds like a performance that could unseat him.

(My runner-up is Pattinson in The Batman. Make of that what you will.)

Perfectionist said...

Robert: Pattinson as your runner up is INDEED a brilliant choice. Love that performance in equally high regards too. Maybe once the awards season is completed, more people will talk about it afterwards.

Mitchell Murray said...

Everyone: On a Batman related note, who would you guys cast as Jason Todd AKA Red Hood?

I've long thought Jensen Ackles would be an ideal choice (particularly when he was younger), since his vocal performance as the character was quite good. For a more original choice, though....I'd suggest Will Poulter, whose just about perfect in age/stature, and could certainly bring the right intensity as shown in "Detroit".

Robert MacFarlane said...

Mitchell: You need someone younger than Ackles for live action. I'm leaning towards Ashton Sanders. There's subtext to be had in making Jason black. Sanders is good at playing characters who felt they got truly fucked over.

Michael McCarthy said...

My Best Actor pick is actually Timothèe Chalamet in Bones and All. Fraser and Farrell aren’t far behind though.

Marcus said...

Louis: A little off-topic, but have you ever seen any episodes of The Boondocks?

Matt Mustin said...

Colin Farrell is my best actor pick at the moment, I don't see that changing.

Emi Grant said...

Perfectionist: There's still plenty of movies I haven't been able to watch, so, I'm still sticking to Alexander Skarsgard in The Northman.

Luke Higham said...

Farrell and I highly doubt it'll change.

Oliver Menard said...

Park Hae-il is firmly my win for best actor. Farrell would be #2.

Razor said...

I'm also on Team Farrell.

Calvin Law said...

Perfectionist: I'm team Park Hae-il with Oliver and Robert, and having seen Farrell, Mescal, etc. and loved them too, I don't see this changing. Might possibly be my favourite performance in any Park Chan-wook film.

Anonymous said...

Louis: What is your lowest 5 star film in your top ten for 1963 and 1965.

Luke Higham said...

Rating and thoughts on Brad Garrett in Gleason.

Louis Morgan said...

Robert:

Yeah I might re-watch both at some point, as I never hated them even if I didn't exactly *like* them.

Marcus:

I haven't.

Anonymous:

Hud & Chimes At Midnight.

Luke:

Garrett - 4.5(His general impression of Gleason is pretty good in bringing this certain style of personality, while still fashioning it into enough of a believable person beyond the mannerisms. I will say his playing of the Gleason parts is pretty decent, though I don't think the way these are presented him do him any major favors which Being the Ricardos them, which is present comedy bizarrely seriously. Garrett though does an artful enough imitation, and this is from someone who very highly rates Gleason's comedic work as Ralph Kramden. What's asked of Garrett throughout is to hit pretty obvious notes of frustration, romance, ego, sadness, drunkenness, desperation, and all in pretty bluntly written scenes. And I'll say that Garrett is consistently good in playing each and every one of these notes. He plays them well, even if I don't think he overcomes the weaknesses of the film, he delivers on at least being convincing in the emotions within his own work. It is still maudlin overall, but I at least believe him as Gleason within the maudlin scenarios. Although this is a much worse film than Chaplin, in that I definitely think it is the right performer for the role but not used to its fullest potential.)

Matt Mustin said...

Mitchell: Maybe Harry Melling for Jason Todd?

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Glad to see you enjoyed Garrett's work as much as I did, even if the movie lives and dies by his performance only.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Louis: I won’t defend Dead Man’s Chest, but I will defend the sheer scope and audacity of At World’s End. I mean, it’s the only Disney movie I can think of that opens with a kid at the gallows. So many moments of imagination, like the Locker and how they escape it, the pirate’s court, etc. put nearly on the level of the first one for me.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast of Breaking.

And Merry Christmas to all. :)

Anonymous said...

Tom Cruise is my pick for Best Actor

Matt Mustin said...

I wouldn't even nominate Cruise, but to each their own I guess.

Calvin Law said...

Mitchell: My Jason Todd choice would be Justin H. Min.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Mitchell: I was thinking of Dane DeHaan as Red Hood (if he's in Chronicle mode).

Bryan L. said...
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Bryan L. said...

Perfectionist_ad: I’d lean towards Farrell as my Best Actor choice at this point, though also waiting to see what Fraser & Nighy have in store, among others. Also planning on a rewatch of Decision to Leave, and Banshees for that matter.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on this scene from The Snowman.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=upH1QZU4Z0Y

And what's your original song winner for 1982. Walking In The Air or Flying Dreams.

Oliver Menard said...

Louis: What's your ranking of the Yasujirō Ozu films you've seen so far.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast of Strange World.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Boyega - 4.5(Does so much heavy lifting here, that it's a shame the film itself was there to back him. He's terrific though in conveying the overall state of the character in this state of paranoia and desperation while maintaining an overall sympathetic need for justice. The film's flashback structure I think is part of its problem, however Boyega is good in showing the man just stuck within the frustration of the system he is stuck in. You have the earnest moments of warmth with his daughter, but also the sense of the desperate man who caused his wife to leave him as he speaks with a heightened intensity with her. Then he's just consistently great in the bank scenes showing the man trying to hold things together while also trying to calm his potential victims around him. Boyega playing well as the mess of the mind as he's as convincing in speaking words of true paranoia as he is when speaking of words of just trying to calm those around him. He gives a moving portrayal of a man broken by the system, if again I don't think the film uses that all that well.)

Williams - 4(A consistently good performance in creating the right sense of this controlled calm as he attempts to talk Boyega's character through every step of the negotiation, where he creates the right combination between the man urging him to release the hostages while also attempting to still convey a genuine sympathy as he talks to him in a friendly caring way. He's also affecting in the moments of wholly honest reactions as he sees others being more callous towards the situation. Again the film doesn't entirely make use of what he's doing, but what he's doing is effective as is.)

Beharie & Leyva - 3.5/3(The former has a bit more to work with than the latter but both are moving in just presenting the sense of fear in both, while Beharie is very effective in playing the fear in an internalized way as she tries to hold this confidence in attempting to provide a certain negotiation.)

Britton - 2.5(Doesn't leave all that much of an impression in her interactions and reactions.)

Donovan - 2(As typical when he's not good, he's pretty bad just some over the top line deliveries in what should be a straightforward role.)

Luke:

The level of detail of the animation, particularly in the sense of movement just is simply amazing to look at. Frankly few things are as well animated period as it gives you such a sense of genuine flying with such glorious wonderous detail of the world. Amplified only by the memorable song that has this certain majesty and grandeur to it, while also being oh so pleasant at the same time. Just one of the all time great animated sequences, period.

"Flying Dreams" probably but it is close. Also let's be honest "Eye of the Tiger" is also pretty great.

Oliver:

1. Late Spring
2. Late Autumn
3. Early Summer
4. Tokyo Twilight
5. There Was A Father
6. A Story of Floating Weeds
7. Tokyo Chorus
8. The Flavor of Green Tea Over Rice

Although #8 is a fine film still.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Refer to my comments on Lightyear's cast, except there's not a standout.

Anonymous said...

Louis, thoughts on the Glass Onion cast.

Bryan L. said...

Louis: Your 1990s cast(s) & director for…

Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery (A sequel to the 80s version with Hopkins as Benoit)
The Banshees of Inisherin
Till
Emancipation

RatedRStar said...

Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays/Happy Day Off everybody.

Louis: I watched Glass Onion this morning while opening presents, I do like it, probably about the same as the original, it perhaps isn't as suspenseful though, however it does have a better soundtrack than the original, The Beatles tend to make everything better.

RatedRStar said...

I will say though, without spoiling of course, is that, just like Knifes Out from 2019, you are waiting for that gotcha moment when they reveal the killer and you are like "ohhhh who is it gonna be", they don't really do that, its "oh that person is the killer" ok then, if there is a 3rd Knifes Out, they need to have a "OMG this person was the killer CAN YOU BELIEVE IT".

Shaggy Rogers said...

Hey Louis and guys
Say recommendations for good Christmas movies that are very underrated:
A Christmas Carol (38 and 84) with Reginald Owen and George C. Scott
Holiday Inn (1942)
Tenth Avenue Angel (1948)
Happy Christmas (2014)

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERBODY!

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Since it's Christmas, I've watched the live action adaptation of The Year Without a Santa Claus from 2006. It's a cautionary tale about how to not reinterpret a classic story due to how lifeless and plasticky it feels. Almost everyone in it just does the most basic and idle line reading I've come across in a while.

Goodman-2/2.5 (I almost always like him, but here we can see Moody Goodman taking over. Most of the time he is just way too bored even if that's what shitty screenplay already tells him to do)
Minnette-2
Burke-1.5
Kattan-2.5
Griffin-2
Suplee-1.5
McKean and Fierstein-3 (the only reason I've watched this. They bring some much required energy to their scenes and it's quite a great casting choice with McKean doing a Fred Astaire-like routine and Fierstein fittingly sounding like a character affected by years of heat and smoke)

Robert MacFarlane said...

Imagine casting Jake Gyllenhaal in an animated film and not having him do one of his weirdo voices.

Emi Grant said...

First off, Merry Chirstmas/Happy holidays, guys.

Secondly, I just read about Babylon only doing 3.5 million for their opening weekend on a 80 million dollar budget, and even though I haven't watched it, I just think that really fucking sucks for Chazelle.

ruthiehenshallfan99 said...

Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays to everyone!

Oliver Menard said...

Merry Christmas to everyone as well.

I'm not surprised at Babylon's box office flop, it was predicted. Looking at Chazelle's filmography so far I think Babylon looked the least appealing on paper. A 3 hour self-indulgent movie about Hollywood? Maybe it's just me but I'm kinda tired of movies about making movies/Hollywood. I haven't seen it yet but my concerns seem to be true. I mean, not even critics are over the moon about it. I'll keep an open mind when I do watch it as I did enjoy La La Land quite a bit.

Emi Grant said...

Oliver: I do think someone should've read the room when Empire of Light, The Fabelmans and Babylon were all coming out around the same time and just 3 years after OUATIH, but man... that box office bomb just hurts to look at.

Tim said...

a bit late (as it's already the 26th over here and i had gone partying for the night) but:

Merry Christmas to everyone here!

Tim said...

also; Glass Onion:

I Iiked it fine, though not as much as the first one.

The positives: The Humor is better (as it's not entirely based on puking) ... that's it. The rest is just a lesser version of 1. Not bad, but not as good as the first film.

Other than that, the entire structure, the mystery and the subversion of expectations are just a lesser version of what was done in movie 1. Not bad, but it feels kind of predictable in a sequel, which is reallly not good in a whodunit. My first guess as to who the murderer was was correct.
Also, the storyline of the secondary lead was not nearly as investing as Ana de Armas'.

If this was done first, I'd probably love it. As a sequel to a film that did almost all these things better, it's quite the letdown. Here's to hoping the third one is a masterpiece!


Craig - 4
Norton - 4
Hudson - 2.5
Bautista - 3.5
Monae - 4.5
Hahn - 2.5
Odom - 3
Henwick - 1.5
Cline - 2.5
Segan - 1.5 (come on!)

two very famous actors had small roles, both consisiting of pretty much 3-5 lines each. The first one was annoying, as i love him and it just made me wish we saw him more, the second one was kind of funny

Bryan L. said...

Ah, Empire of Light. That one on paper sure had the pedigree and subject material to make some noise, but alas, it's currently receiving the quiet "Oscar-coulda-been" quiet theatrical dump.

Louis Morgan said...

Merry Christmas everybody.

Bryan:

Glass Onion:

Miles: Warren Beatty
Brands: Angela Bassett
Claire: Madeline Kahn
Lionel: Howard Rollins
Birdie: Teri Garr
Duke: Richard Kiel
Peg: Phoebe Cates
Whiskey: Sherilyn Fenn

The Banshees of Inisherin directed by Paddy Breathnach:

Pádraic: Stephen Rea
Colm: Richard Harris
Siobhán: Emma Thompson
Dominic: Michael Smiley

Till directed by John Singleton:

Mamie Till: Alfred Woodard
Emmett Till: Keenan Thompson
John Carthan: Sidney Poitier
Alma Carthan: Cicely Tyson

Emancipation directed by The Hughes Brothers:

Peter: Morgan Freeman
Fassel: Ed Harris
Anonymous:

Anonymous:

I intend to give the film one more chance since it is on Netflix, but no promises there.

Robert MacFarlane said...

I just rewatched Glass Onion, and I’m sorry Louis, but I only liked it more the second time.

Matt Mustin said...

Glass Onion, while I'm not in the "better than Knives Out" camp, largely due to a couple characters that didn't work for me, and the fact that I thought the social commentary was sharper and more interesting in the first film, is still an absolutely delightful film and it once again makes me want more and more Benoit Blanc mysteries.

Craig-4.5(Wasn't sure about his reprise at first, but...only at first.)

Norton-4.5(His best performance since Birdman and the most fun he's been in a while.)

Monae-4.5

Hahn-2

Odom Jr.-2.5

Hudson-3.5(The most I've ever liked her, and I think if she had toned it down juuuust a bit at certain points I would've liked her even more.)

Bautista-4

Henwick-3

Cline-2.5

Segan-2(OK, look. I get that that he and Rian Johnson are buddies and kudos to Johnson for always giving his friend work, but he is always just so fucking annoying. If he has to be in all his films, maybe just a silent, couple seconds long cameo like he had in The Last Jedi.

Most of the cameos I enjoyed to one degree or another, but one of them was utterly pointless.



Matt Mustin said...

Also, despite the name of the genre they're part of, the "Whodunnit" aspect is so, so, SO far from being my favourite part of these films. That's really not what they're about at their core.

Bryan L. said...

I don’t really get why Rian Johnson cast Ethan Hawke in that cameo. I thought he was going to show up again once they reach the island and/or at least have another scene on the boat trip over there. Maybe it was an inside joke that I missed or…?

Tim said...

IMDb says he just happened to be near the set that day so they spontaneiously decided to let him play that role quickly

Robert MacFarlane said...

I thought the Hawke cameo was cute tbh. You all are getting hung up on it.

8000S said...

Louis: Your thoughts on this interview with Stanley Cortez.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZpohJ7_DXo

Luke Higham said...

Louis: If you're watching it tonight, ratings and thoughts on the cast of King Lear (1970).

Mitchell Murray said...

So on an animated films note, I just watched 2017's "Justice League Dark". I had an interest in the movie for a long time and...it wasn't as good as I hoped, sadly.

It suffers from the same principle setback as most of the DCAU; Namely, these are 70-80 minute films, and could always benefit from more run time. Beyond that, the plot and third act fight could've been more original, and the JL trinity - Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman - feel very shoe horned into the story.

That being said, though, the film still fills a niche in giving DC's supernatural side some attention. It's always cool to see Zatanna get some shine, and while the voice acting is hit or miss, Matt Ryan clearly enjoys playing Constantine.

Mitchell Murray said...

I also just watched "Mask of the Phantasm" for the first time today, which aside from a potential overuse of music (a nitpick, I know), did strike me as a very good film. I'm glad I finally saw it after all these years, both in tribute for the late Conroy, and also in appreciation for it's visually operatic, yet dramatically grounded take of Batman.

It also has the distinction of having one of the single most moving scenes of any Batman property, one that fully articulates the character's tragedy.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast of Emergency.

Shaggy Rogers said...

Hey guys
Update on my Top 10 prediction of Louis' lead actor in 1974:
1. Hackman
2. Oates
3. Carney
4. Nicholson
5. Pacino
6. Sheen
7. Bates
8. Hurt
9. Matthau (I really wanted him to go up)
10. Wilder

Robert MacFarlane said...

Shaggy: He said he's going to move Shaw to lead since he and Matthau's screentime were equal.

Shaggy Rogers said...

Robert: I didn't know. So, the ranking will be updated like this:

1. Hackman
2. Oates
3. Carney
4. Nicholson
5. Pacino
6. Shaw
7. Sheen
8. Bates
9. Hurt
10. Matthau

Matt Mustin said...

Just throwing this out there: Christopher Lloyd should be in the next Benoit Blanc film.

Bryan L. said...

Predictions for Louis's 2022 Top Ten, anyone?

1. The Banshees of Inisherin
2. Decision to Leave
3. The Fabelmans
4. The Northman
5. Everything Everywhere All at Once
6. All Quiet on The Western Front
7. Living
8. The Menu
9. Broker
10. Top Gun: Maverick

Knocking on the door: Turning Red, Aftersun, RRR, The Batman

Matt Mustin said...

Bryan: I really don't think The Northman is gonna be above Everything Everywhere.

Bryan L. said...

Matt: If I'm not mistaken, he did have more minor quibbles with EEAAO (the ending doubling-down, tightening things slightly, too much of a good thing syndrome) than with The Northman ("Hamlet's hesitation").

Matt Mustin said...

Bryan: Fine, but the stuff that's great in EEAAO is better than anything at all in The Northman.

Matt Mustin said...

And I really liked The Northman but it doesn't really stick with you like EEAAO does.

Calvin Law said...

Wouldn't be surprised if TÁR goes up for him on rewatch.

Oliver Menard said...

I was really high on The Northman when I saw it in May, but it hasn't stayed with me as well as other great films have this year. I'm not sure it would even be in my top 5. I'm still high on Skarsgard's performance though.

Anonymous said...

Louis I know you seem to hate questions like this but when can we expect your top ten?

Marcus said...

Anonymous: He usually posts it after getting to watch all the awards contenders/critically acclaimed films of the year.

Robert MacFarlane said...

I haven’t rewatched TÁR, but I’ve upped my rating on it since seeing it. It’s had probably the highest growth of staying power with me in terms of realizations/epiphanies of points that I kind of mossed while watching it.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Jarvet - (His performance is limited to an extent because it isn't his vocal performance that you hear. He does give a moving portrayal of Lear's state through the slowly decaying state. Going with the route, which is effective though I suppose expected route, of kind of the doddering old man version of Lear. Jarvet though in turn does allude quietly to a once greater force, and in turn, is affecting in creating this state of decaying the man both in power and mind from each subsequent scene. In his earliest scene walking with the stride of the great warrior, his latest scene barely even able to move as truly just an old man lost in his sorrows. Combined with Zinovy Gerdt's vocal performance is a striking portrayal of a man lost to his time and emotions.)


Radzina - 3.5(Again not her vocal work however she does deliver effectively in the false yet sinister presence of the character.)


Volchek - 4(Is allowed a bit more impact due to her voice actually being used and creating an additional bit of the ambition and deviousness within her verbal work along with her presence that is the false face towards her father and the sinister presence that defines her reality.)

Shendrikova - 4(Although obviously doesn't have the most screentime leaves a striking and moving impression in her few but essential minutes. Creating a real sense of the understanding of her father far greater and her reactions being that of a purely honest person in the strictest sense. Her later scenes are terrific in creating a strong dynamic between obviously a sense of urgency for her situation while also still having the moment of heartbreak but a final sense of closure in her interactions with her father.)

Dahl - 4(An especially incisive fool even as fools go. I'd say his performance has this great pestering quality even more so than seems less instructive than some fools seem to be and is even all the more tormenting. Creating that needed striking presence as he seems to prick at the King again and again.)

Adomaitis - (Delivers the right sense of the uninhibited sense of ambition without overdoing it either. Creating the right potent strength strangely in the conviction towards it within the character, showing the bunt joy of success, but also being quite effective when the situation begins to turn later on for him.)

Cyler & Watkins - 4(I think both excel in their different types of roles being both that thing while also finding depth in that. Cyler is the overexpression and somewhat foolhardy friend. He finds the right comic energy without overdoing it, yet also does find the needed depth in key moments all the same. Watkins on the other hand is the proper straight man who is overly straightforward in the right way but brings enough of a sense always of who this guy is other than his straitlaced manner. Together they have a winning dynamic that brings enough of an endearing quality to their friendship while also hitting the more troubling notes as naturally.)

Chacon - 3.5(An entertaining third wheel throughout, I enjoyed his foolhardy but not overplayed manner throughout. Chacon being goofy in the right way again derives humor from it without being completely over the top and losing a sense of the character as a person.)

Carpenter - 2(Pretty painfully over the top at times. Not terrible for every second but when she's bad, she's pretty bad.)

Tony:

The length of the actual writing depends on a few factors, and honestly if I can get into the flow of writing. That is easier with a really great or really bad performance, middling or just "good" performances often are the hardest to write about. On average I'd say probably an hour to an hour and a half for most reviews, though there are exceptions on both ends. I don't make official notes, but the reason I re-watch before reviews is to ensure that the performances are fresh, with specific performances I will go in knowing I want to mention some specific things, or go through the acts of the arc.

Calvin Law said...

Glad you liked Cyler and Watkins. Can we agree that Cha Cha Real Smooth winning over Emergency at Sundance is kind of a travesty, since this one even with its faults would be far more deserving of the added exposure a win could've given it.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Having seen Aftersun and God’s Creatures, and as I’m aware you are yet to see Normal People (but I think you’d appreciate Mescal’s work there too) can you please comment on Paul Mescal’s strengths as a performer without going too in detail since I’m thinking you have a review lined up for him in the future?

Also, Louis but everyone else can discuss as well, your thoughts on if the European acting scene (i.e. British scene, French scene or even the Irish scene with guys like the Gleesons, Farrell, Keoghan, now Paul Mescal and etc), is starting to outpace the American acting scene in terms of consistency or quality? It feels like there’s been a lull in American home bred talent and it’s because actors from here nowadays just choose the most banal scripts and don’t engage with the quality ones enough.

Mitchell Murray said...

Anonymous: I would be lying if I said there hasn't been an influx of UK/European talent in American cinema over the last several years. Nonetheless, there's acting talent within every nationality; Even among the recent oscar nominees, you have guys like LaKeith Stanfield and Jesse Plemons, who've both done some very fine work in their young careers. I think the greater factor may be press/marketing, in terms of which actors are featured in more commercially successful projects. Also, it does seem that more UK based talent (to keep with those countries specifically) find work in US based media, as opposed to the opposite scenario. This is far from a recent trend, but again I think it's more a result of the changing opportunities and film landscape, than the actual talent of these performers.

Mitchell Murray said...

On a different note, I re-visited "Superman/Batman: Apocalypse" today after many years. I still consider it to be a solid animation, albeit one with some weaker elements. A lot of my reservations actually revolve around how they utilized Kara; There's some particularly laughable/borderline offensive scenes with her early on, and I'm not sure if she ever becomes more than a plot device overall.

Like I said, though, the movie has definite merit, and benefits from some rather memorable fight scenes. The vocal talent of the cast does help to, and I have to say...I like Andre Braugher as Darkseid. I know some people criticized his performance, and he's no Michael Ironside of course, but he nevertheless has a good voice for the role, and does what he needs to do.

Tim said...

Anonymous: i think that is mostly used as a bit of a filter. Like, instead of just focussig on American actors for the sake of it, i'd say the US film industry just uses both the really good to absolutely great americans and the very best people from other countries. Those Europeans that make it big in the US are not exactly mid-teer

Mitchell Murray said...

Anonymous: To bounce off of Tim's point, as well, some of the most established European performers in American films were already big stars in their home countries. Christoph Waltz was well known to German audiences as a stage/TV actor, but was in his early fifties when he got his US breakthrough "Inglorious Basterds".

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis: Your 20 best Sean Connery moments?

Mitchell Murray said...

So, I finally got on the "Glass Onion" train tonight. Actually, if I'm being similarly transparent, I was occupied elsewhere and sort of jumped in and out of the film while other people watched it.

Anyways, from what I did hear/see, I enjoyed it. More than decent follow up to "Knives Out", and I'd be more than willing to revisit the film in the future. I also liked most everyone in the cast, with the possible exception of Kate Hudson who honestly started to wear thin for me.

RatedRStar said...

I think Banshees will be Louis' favorite film, it is mine as well,
Calvin Law used a great comparison, Ryans Daughter, yep it feels like that did.

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

Interesting that Cortez disputes the common rumor about Laughton's attitude towards the child performers, so one wonders the truth. Cortez speaks as it sounds like Toland was with Welles, where the master of one field was respected by the technical novice, though a novice with a different experience and obviously a tremendous vision. Cortez speaks with great intelligence, unsurprisingly, with incredible specifics for the visuals and you see the strength in the collaboration, particularly in the music and visuals, and you see the great direction in Laughton by making the choice and putting the two together preemptively.

Calvin:

100%, I will side-eye every Sundance prize winner from now on thanks to the choice.

Anonymous:

Well might as well wait, as that may have something to do with a future review.

Ytrewq:

1. "Indiana Indiana, Let It Go" - Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
2. "I thought I lost you boy" - Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
3. Ending - The Hill
4. Blasphemy - Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
5. Escape - Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
6. Talk in the blimp - Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
7. One last song - The Man Who Would Be King
8. Charlemagne - Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
9. Why he's in the prison - The Hill
10. "It is you Junior" - Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade
11. Deciding to stay - The Man Who Would Be King
12. You got to believe - Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
13. Inside the tank - Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
14. Fight with Red Grant - From Russia With Love
15. Facing the inquisition - The Name of the Rose
16. Standing his ground - The Hill
17. What Really Happened - The Offence
18. Illumination - Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
19. Home - The Offence
20. Fight with the Sheriff - Robin and Marian

Did you know I love him in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade?

Robert MacFarlane said...

Louis: What did you think of the way Singin’ in the Rain was utilized in Babylon? I found it to be one of the film’s best cards it played. Loved the idea that someone who witnessed careers destroyed during the sound era would find something that’s otherwise funny and innocuous so painful.

Oliver Menard said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the cinematography and screenplay of A Sun.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Really enjoyed Glass Onion. Part of that might be due to the fact that the last film I watched was Avatar 2, but even that aside, for me, it's better than Knives Out.

Calvin Law said...

Saw Women Talking, which I thought was really great, and I have to say I can unfortunately see why there has been something of a struggle to find a consensus among the actresses to get behind, because they're all excellent. Polley's screenplay and direction is what ties it all together though (and that amazing score).

Matthew Montada said...

Calvin: ratings for the cast of Women Talking?

Matthew Montada said...

Tahmeed: ratings for the casts of Avatar: The Way Of Water and Glass Onion?

Anonymous said...

Can't wait when Avatar gets 6+ nominations on Oscar morning, lol.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Matthew:

Avatar 2:

Worthington - 2
Saldana - 2
Weaver - 3
Lang - 3.5
Winslet - 2.5
Curtis - 2.5
Champion - 2.5
The other actors playing the kids are at a collective 2 for me.

Glass Onion:

Craig - 4.5
Monae - 4.5
Norton - 4/4.5 (got a lot out of the jokes aimed at who he's supposed to be a spoof off, except Norton's actually charismatic)
Hahn - 3
Odom Jr. - 3
Henwick - 2.5
Cline - 2.5
Hudson - 2.5
Bautista - 3.5

Anonymous said...

Louis: What are your favorite performances by actors playing characters perceived as boring?

Matt Mustin said...

I think you're all being way too hard on Kate Hudson. I didn't entirely love her but I thought she was pretty funny.

Robert MacFarlane said...

I did entirely love her and think you’re all being outright unfair.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

I think the concept behind Hudson's character was way more fun than her on-screen efforts.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Robert: Meant to give Hudson a 3.5 actually, thought she was quite good.

Matt Mustin said...

Ytrewq Wertyq: I don't really know how else she was supposed to play it.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Matt: In a way that was less annoying.

RatedRStar said...

I thought Henwick was the weakest performance simply because, well she doesn't get much to do, shes kind of in the background most of the time.

Perfectionist said...

Hudson is a 4 for me, I agree with Robert. That's the most I have liked her, but I truly liked her. Hold Bautista's performance in same regards too. Norton, Monae and Craig are 4.5.