Tuesday, 25 August 2020

Alternate Best Supporting Actor 2002: Results

5. Marcel Iures in Hart's War - Iures gives a fine portrayal of the camp commandant, both the needed cold efficiency and some hints at humanity.

Best Scene: Giving the book.
4. Timothy Spall in All or Nothing - Spall gives a moving portrayal of a man in a constant state of depression that only sinks further.

Best Scene: Breakdown.
3. Brendan Fraser in The Quiet American - Fraser plays off his typical presence brilliantly by being both that and far more.

Best Scene: Final talk with Fowler.
2. Leandro Firmino in City of God - Firmino makes for a striking psychopathic murderer, though balances it with enough nuance in his realization of the character.

Best Scene: Benny's party. 
1. Christopher Plummer in Nicholas Nickleby - Good prediction Calvin. Plummer excels with his Dickens villain here, making the most of the miser, but being surprisingly heartbreaking as well.

Best Scene: Revelation.
Updated Overall 

Next: 1950 lead (throw in any supporting suggestions as well).

36 comments:

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Glad to see a second win for the master :)

Louis: Would Day-Lewis have been your win in the Lead overall as well?

Louis Morgan said...

Tahmeed:

Yes.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

As for 1950 Lead, my only suggestion would be Dilip Kumar in Babul (although I'd have to rewatch to verify if he's worthy of a review).

Calvin Law said...

Besides the requests, and Considine and Murray, can anyone tell me what performances are in consideration for 2004 Lead? Because I might want to make my request there but I don’t want to mess things up.

BRAZINTERMA said...

OH FUCK YES! Another victory for Sir Day Lewis! Let more come ...

Calvin Law said...

I would like to see a possible re-evaluation of Takashi Shimura in Scandal for 1950 but no worries if not!

And definitely recommend Ida Lupino’s Outrage in terms of film recs.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the Ammonite trailer, and the film's chances at the Oscars.

Mitchell Murray said...

Ehh....I can accept Lures as a 3.5. Personally, I just found him to quite interesting in the role, and by far the best performance of the film. Also, I'd submit his two major scenes with Willis as my reasons for giving him a 4; In the first one I felt he presented a despondency in Visser, almost as if he's slowly coming to terms with Germany's defeat. Then in his final scene (SPOILERS!!!) when he's faced with carrying out his execution, I thought Lures conveyed a definite loss in Visser. It was almost as if by killing McNamara, he was sealing his own fate as a man on the losing side.

So yah, I thought it was a good performance, as Lure's portrays visser not as a sympathetic figure, per say, but as a bad man realizing his own insignificance in a futile conflict.

Mitchell Murray said...

Also, Louis, what would be your ratings/thoughts for the rest of the "Hart's War" cast?

Mitchell Murray said...

ALSO, I can appreciate the upgrade to Reilly. As strange as it might sound, he did make Amos my favourite character of the movie, purely because of his weirdly endearing performance.

BRAZINTERMA said...

The only actor I think can take Mifune down is Richard Widmark (Night and the City)

Anonymous said...

Brazinterma: Mifune in Rashomon is Louis's #7 all time favourite Lead Actor performance, no one's taking him down.

BRAZINTERMA said...

Anonymous: I just "think", it's not a concrete truth

RatedRStar said...

Richard Widmark - Night And The City
Jean Marais - Orpheus
Kirk Douglas - Young Man With A Horn
Robert Newton - Treasure Island
John Dall - Gun Crazy or Dana Andrews - Where The Sidewalk Ends

RatedRStar said...

Supporting
Alec Guinness - The Mud Lark
Walter Huston - The Furies
Jack Hawkins - The State Secret

Matt Mustin said...

Has anyone seen the trailer for The Comey Rule? LOL.

Mitchell Murray said...

Matt: I have, and I have concerns it will be another "W." situation IE the fact that subject's presidency hasn't even ended will affect the script's overall strength.

That being said, Gleeson is a perfect physical match for Trump, and it's no surprise Jeff Daniels is in this kind of show.

Luke Higham said...

1950 Lead
John Garfield - The Breaking Point
Richard Widmark - Night And The City
Anton Walbrook - La Ronde
Ben Johnson - Wagon Master
Joel McCrea - Stars In My Crown
Alt. Jean Marais - Orpheus

Anonymous said...

Richard Widmark - Night And The City
Anton Walbrook - La Ronde
John Garfield - The Breaking Point (His best performance)
Jean Marais - Orpheus

I suppose Ben Johnson in Wagon Master or Joel McCrea in Stars In My Crown would make a good 5th review.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Your ratings and thoughts on the rest of the lead performances you've seen.

Ratings and Thoughts on Supporting performances that were rated 3.5 and 4.

Any updates to the Female rankings with ratings and thoughts.

And have you settled on Newman's rating.

Luke Higham said...

And did you see any of the other TV recommendations on the 2002 list.

Luke Higham said...

Calvin: If you want to choose Bernal then by all means. The other possibilities are Denzel Washington in Man On Fire, Michael Nyqvist in As It Is In Heaven, Irrfan Khan in Maqbool and Matthew Macfadyen in In My Father's Den.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thinking about it now, I would definitely like to see Robert Newton in Treasure Island. I'd take out Johnson and McCrea and put Newton and Marais in.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

I found the Ammonite trailer to look just fine...in that though I didn't think there was anything notable to it, in that it just had sort of a "general prestige" quality to it, just from that look alone. Hopefully the actually film has more in store for me.

I mean any film can do well here, at the very least seems likely for Ronan and Winslet to be mentioned at least, as long as it gets a decent reception. I could see it be one of those films that gets forgotten though if the reaction is *just* positive. Although again this year is likely to be strange in general, so it is really hard to name the players.

Mitchell:

Willis - 3(For me this is a performance that doesn't quite go beyond a certain point. Willis hits sort of the general marks of his character, he has the tough stoic strength, however he lacks sort of a depth within the portrayal that might've been there with a different actor or just a different director to pull more out of Willis. Not bad, but not great.)

Farrell - 3(I'll say Farrell is an actor who I really felt came into his own after his sort of initial "breakout" where Hollywood was trying particularly hard to try to make him a thing. Not that he was a bad actor before In Bruges, but it marked a shift to being a much better one as that peak. This is an example of really his inconsistency. He's not bad, but he's not great here. There's just moments where you see him trying to pull out the emotion rather than just revealing it, and just at times having an awkwardness. At times though, as at others times, he's more than decent in giving a generally compelling turn, but again Farrell's definitely someone who improved over time.)

Howard - 3(Howard definitely is not a favorite actor of mine, but this is one of his better turns. This in being a bit quieter in the role overall, making his more emotional moments far more natural. Although his big speech I don't think quite naturally finds itself within the film, he does deliver it reasonably well.)

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Khan - 4(Almost a type of man with no name kind of performance. He excels with it to be sure though in bringing that sort of calm charisma so exceptionally, and wearing the more emotional moments so calmly yet so effectively

Grant - 4(I'm surprised that this was bandied about as a change for him, as this is really typical Grant, it just is a very good example of it. This though in showing really his more Cary Grant type of appeal. This in you know what he can bring in this type of role, and in ideal circumstances does so. Well he does so here, giving a nice charming comic romantic turn here. Not exceptional but enjoyable.)

Gibson - 3.5(The film itself I think suffers in becoming just kind of a lot of "stuff". Gibson though is a rock solid lead as to be expected, and though for much of it he just needs to be a calm stoic lead, he does get some classic Gibson emoting, in a way only he can in the powerful final moments of his work.)

Hoult - 3.5(Actually a fine sort of companion performance for Grant. It is definitely in a bit of an actory style child performance from him, someone I also really "bloomed" so to speak, but his work largely works for the more heightened style of the film. The film being the most Richard Curtisy not Richard Curtis film I've seen.)

Damon - 3(Found he kind of overplays the more emotional moments here "I don't know how I am", though I'll give him credit for bringing the calm sort of intensity to be a believable action hero, which he hadn't done before this point.)

Culkin - 2.5(I REALLY Should've heeded Robert's advice on this film, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan was that intolerable. Culkin is a talented chap though. Although he didn't make me like his absolutely intolerable character, he at least wasn't worse than what was on the page. He doesn't make it work, but he doesn't make it even more torturous I suppose.)

Arkin - 4(Easily the best part of the film. This bringing a reality to the somewhat wonky philosophical styling of the film, this through his typically irascible presence however in a way that he definitely grounds within emotion in this film. By far most makes the material digestible, and actually creates something captivating in his "luck changing" story. He creates a person where the rest couldn't quite get pas the concept.)

Mihashi - 4(A moving portrayal in what is otherwise and intriguing yet insufferably slow and repetitive film. Mihashi though brings the right sort of combination of the old school gangster menace as part of his performance though with this emotional undercurrent of a nostalgic romance. This being particularly remarkable in his romantic scene that he plays so poignantly by presenting it as though a shy romance of youth. Wonderful work, and frankly would've rather just seen a film about his story.)

Waite - 4(Seems I have a recurrent theme here. This as Waite's performance too manages to make something more out of a script that is a little too stuck within the philosophy. Waite though is good in bringing an honesty about his character that goes beyond just what is spoken within it.)

Harris & Glenn - 3.5(Okay I have to note what the heck this movie was trying to be. This shown I think best in these two performances. This is Harris is an enjoyable overly comic dope in his scenes, particularly fun to see the so confident Harris be so sloppy and weak willed. This against Glenn who makes, of course, for the always believable badass. Again though Harris is more hard lining satire, where Glenn becomes like an action movie villain. Both are good at doing what is called upon them, but it shows the messy film it is by what each is doing here.)

No Changes.

Yes.

No.

Lucas Saavedra said...

Louis: could you add Gabriel Byrne in Spider to the 2002 Supporting ranking, and what are your ratings and thoughts on Queen Latifah in Chicago?

Lucas Saavedra said...

And your top 6 - 10 for 2002 Best Director as well

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Rating and thoughts on Toni Collette in About A Boy.

Luke Higham said...

Is Hanks a 4 or 4.5 for Road To Perdition.

RatedRStar said...

I am trying to remember why I suggested Robert Newton for Treasure Island, I think maybe because its from the first Disney live action film and Newton apparently became almost synonymous with playing pirates after this film came out.

RatedRStar said...

I think the 1950 version is seen as the best version of the story as well from what I have heard.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Rating and thoughts on Barry Pepper in We Were Soldiers and the cast of Igby Goes Down.

Anonymous said...

Widmark
Garfield
Newton
Marais
Walbrook

Anonymous said...

Louis, did you see Morvern Callar.

Calvin Law said...

Okay. My request is Gael Garcia Bernal for The Motorcycle Diaries - Lead 2004.

Louis Morgan said...

Lucas:

Latifah - 3.5(Similar to Reilly in that she's actually one of my favorite parts of the film in their far briefer screentime, this just really bringing the vibrant entertainment I'm looking for overall. She naturally knocks out her number, but in general she gives a very entertaining sort of bravado within her performance. It is not a large role in the scheme of it, but she makes the most of what she has the way Reilly does.)

6. Zhang Yimou - Hero
7. Martin Scorsese - Gangs of New York (Would be in win contention if not for a few choices (the song choice for the opening fight, the cheesy frame skipping in that fights and when Bill becomes a velociraptor in the final fight), as I love so much of what he does with the script, despite not loving the script.)
8. Yoji Yamada - The Twilight Samurai
9. Steven Spielberg - Minority Report
10. Steven Spielberg - Catch Me If You Can

Luke:

Collette - 3.5(All the credit I suppose in that she be a pretty grating role, however she does manage to realize it in a way that isn't. This as she doesn't overdo the hippie manner, something I think many performers would've used to become a caricature. She doesn't and offers a far more honest sadness within the role. Although I do think the role is fundamentally underwritten, as we never quite get the "why", Collette delivers a good performance.)

Pepper - 3(He's mostly just there for much of the film, but is essential in Gibson's final military scene. Pepper bringing that same emotional devastation as Gibson. Although an underdeveloped role, a good performance from him.)

Anonymous:

Yes.