Friday, 3 November 2017

Alternate Best Supporting Actor 1988

And the Nominees Were Not:

Eric Idle in The Adventures of Baron Munchausen

M. Emmet Walsh in Clean and Sober

Pete Postlethewaite in Distant Voices, Still Lives

Jacky Cheung in As Tears Go By

John Lone in The Moderns

69 comments:

Luke Higham said...

1. Cheung
2. Postlethwaite
3. Lone
4. Walsh
5. Idle

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Keitel and Gregory in The Last Temptation Of Christ.

Luke Higham said...

I don't expect there to be any fives from this lineup.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: And High Hopes by Mike Leigh is 1989 by your rules.

Luke Higham said...

2. Lone
3. Postlethwaite

Charles Heiston said...

I really like this line-up. I hope someone gets a 5

1. Cheung
2. Postlethwaite
3. Lone
4. Walsh
5. Idle

Luke Higham said...

Charles: I had to put Pete down in third as he's only in the first half of the film and it's only 85 minutes long as well.

Charles Heiston said...

I've seen everyone else's film except his, but in that case.

1. Cheung
2. Lone
3. Postelwaite
4. Walsh
5. Idle

Robert MacFarlane said...

1. Cheung
2. Lone
3. Postlethwaite
4. Idle
5. Walsh

Anonymous said...

1. Cheung
2. Postlethwaite
3. Lone
4. Walsh
5. Idle
Louis: Your thoughts on Mitsuo Iwata, Nozomu Sasaki and Mami Koyama in Akira. I believe you forgot to post your thoughts on their performances.

Matt Mustin said...

Louis: What's your thoughts on James Hong's Seinfeld appearance?

Nguyễn Ngọc Toàn said...

So glad to see both Graves of fireflies and My neighbor Totoro made it to top 10 for 1988. Finally, Louis has started to take a serious watch on Studio Ghibli :)

1. Cheung
2. Postlethewaite
3. Walsh
4. Idle
5. Lone

Omar Franini said...

1. Cheung
2. Postlethewaite
3. Walsh
4. Idle
5. Lone

Louis: Could you post your ratings and thoughts on the rest of the cast of Another Woman?

94dfk1 said...

1. Cheung
2. Postlethwaite
3. Idle
4. Walsh
5. Lone

PTV Brazil said...

1. Postlethwaite
2. Walsh
3. Idle
4. Cheung
5. Lone

RatedRStar said...

I am very pleased but surprised that most people think Jacky Cheung will win this, can I ask why everybody thinks this?

RatedRStar said...

Jacky Cheungs only Hong Kong award win for acting and it was his first nomination, Cheungs career seems to have gone up and down acting wise since he has delivered some great performances but also some very bad ones.

His singing career on the otherhand, well his recent tour sold out so lol speaks for it self he is the easily the best singer of the Four Heavenly Kings.

RatedRStar said...

Need to think of other Hong Kong legends that have yet to appear on this blog yet since I still have 3 winning predictions to give.

1. Postlethwaite
2. Cheung
3. Idle
4. Walsh
5. Lone

RatedRStar said...

Andy Lau and Maggie Cheung also do pretty well in this film, it definitely launched Maggies career boom, Lau I would say happened with A Moment of Romance although As Tears go By helped. Alex Man I would say is my second very performance, as the most pompous cowardly smug gang member ever lol.

RatedRStar said...

Actually balls it I will change because I will never forgive myself if I misplace a HK performance that finished first.

1. Cheung
2. Postlethwaite
3. Idle
4. Walsh
5. Lone

Maciej said...

1.Postlethewaite
2.Cheung
3.Lone
4.Walsh
5.Idle

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

1. Cheung
2. Lone
3. Postelwaite 
4. Walsh
5. Idle

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Richard Dormer and Paul Kaye's performances on Game of Thrones.

Luke Higham said...

RatedRStar: I don't think it's a really strong lineup, there isn't that one performance that I'm confident about getting a five. Maybe Donnadieu if he was Supporting, but I hope Pete gets a 4.5 and I would be happy to see an HK supporting review get higher than a 4.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the Love theme from Cinema Paradiso.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Your updated top 5 this year for-
TV Series
Lead Actor and Actress
Supporting Actor and Actress

Henry W said...

Louis and you guys:

Tom Hardy and Matthias Schoenaerts are modern contemporaries. Where are they similar in terms of acting? Who is the better actor?

And another. If Heath Ledger had lived with us today, what type of actor do you think he would have been? What roles today that earned Oscar nods do you think he would have torn apart?

Luke Higham said...
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Robert MacFarlane said...

Henry W - My guess is that he would have continued to seek more challenging roles. He apparently was supposed to have Brad Pitt's role in The Tree of Life, which probably would have been a good fit for him. I could see him taking roles like Freddie Quell or Lee Chandler. I imagine that The Joker would have been in Rises and changed the entire course of that film.

Luke Higham said...

Henry W: I've seen alot more from Hardy and he and Schoenaerts are equally talented, so I don't like choosing either one of the two. I prefer liking actors for what they are instead of comparing them with someone probably more talented as it would make me appreciate their work less if I did.

That's why I never get into a debate on say Hardy Vs. Fassbender as I love both of them even though Tom is the more gifted performer.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: I hope you'll have this lineup and maybe a Donnadieu review completed before the 15th as I'll be in London for 3 days.

Anonymous said...

I think Tom and Mike are both equally gifted performers.

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: I give Tom the edge on accent work. They're equal in intensity and watchability.

Calvin Law said...

I think Hardy and Schoenaerts are equally great.

Calvin Law said...

And as for Ledger I'd imagine he'd be taking on roles like Joel Edgerton in Loving, or as Robert said Freddie Quell. He could have been a great Mad Max too.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Keitel - 4(His razzie nomination was of course downright ridiculous. I can only think it went down to his accent, which isn't what would assume is biblical, however everyone is just doing their normal accents here so being singled out for it seems odd. It also ignores his actual performance though and in his portrayal of Judas who can be so different depending the perspective taken. In this version he is actually in a way the most loyal disciple however for a different type of cause and I found Keitel to be quite good portraying that fiery anger fitting for the rebel. In turn he naturally softens this somewhat in his scenes with Dafoe, creating the sense to his learning making the moment where he is asked to perform his own duty of arresting him actually rather moving due to Keitel's performance. In addition he offers the right direct violent distaste in his final scene showing the man betrayed by the man he believed in and fully embracing his older philosophy of violence in the final confrontation.)

Gregory - 3(His performance is fairly interesting in his few scenes in presenting the very off-beat nature of John the Baptists own methods, which seem less refined however with right passion to them. The best element though is his reaction to Jesus in portraying his own way of trying to understand and perhaps not fully comprehending his successor in a way.)

Anonymous:

Iwata - (Fairly straight forward or the most part though effectively so in portraying less of an overtly emotional character, and more directly just as the calmer, slightly, cool hero type. His vocal performance certainly adds to that and offers just a little more in his later scenes.)

Sasaki - (His performance helps to really establish the three phases of the character through his fairly meek work early on that slowly changes to this more overtly evil sounding villain work, though with this joyful sense of fun within his acts. Then finally though his work reflects more of the intensity of what is happening to Tetsuo, which is rather extreme to say the least.)

Koyama - (Similair to Iwata's work for much of it in just offering a good straight forward "hero" of sorts. Late on her work is rather simplified, though with an exact purpose and works effectively in terms of showing basically a puppet being used.)

Well my reference list probably had Cinema Paradiso as a 89 film, so yes that would be my score winner for 88 actually. This piece is one of the reasons why as it is such beautifully fashioned work by Morricone. This is such a wonderful work though in taking the simple sentimental piano theme, and building it in typical Morricone fashion to give such a grand height.

Matt:

Funny appearance from him in his delivery of an affable yet somewhat careless disregard for his costumers. I especially enjoy his unashamed smile at the costumer who is "always here".

Omar:

Everyone else in the cast, I'd probably give them a collective 3.5, are good in their way of all representing a very specific facet of a memory in a way. They are all good actually in terms of although they are specifically there for a certain reason whether it be Houseman's state of regret, Farrow's distant seemingly empathetic misery, or Holm's cheerful indifference, all of the side performers though do feel more than the single intention of a representation of a certain kind of memory, usually painful. They all feel as though they do exist outside of these confines, even if they are there to serve within those specific confines.

Calvin Law said...

For me,

1. Twin Peaks
2. Better Call Saul
3. Stranger Things
4. Legion
5. American Vandal
(gap)
6. Fargo
7. Big Little Lies
(considerable gap)
8. Taboo

1. Kyle MacLachlan - Twin Peaks
2. Bob Odenkirk - Better Call Saul
3. Dan Stevens - Legion
4. Ewan McGregor - Fargo
5. Jimmy Tatro - American Vandal

1. Mary Elizabeth Winstead - Fargo
2. Rhea Seehorn - Better Call Saul
3. Nicole Kidman - Big Little Lies
4. Carrie Coon - Fargo
5. Reese Witherspoon - Big Little Lies

1. Michael McKean - Better Call Saul
2. David Lynch - Twin Peaks
3. Miguel Ferrer - Twin Peaks
4. Harry Dean Stanton - Twin Peaks
5. Robert Knepper/Jim Belushi - Twin Peaks
HM: Jermaine Clement, Legion

1. Aubrey Plaza - Legion
2. Millie Bobby Brown - Stranger Things
3. Naomi Watts - Twin Peaks
4. Grace Zabriskie - Twin Peaks
5. Laura Dern - Twin Peaks

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Netflix's episode release model, and how it compares to the traditional weekly release model.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Your top ten Morricone compositions and thoughts on the main theme from The Mission.

Louis Morgan said...

Tahmeed:

Although netflix's you have it all at once probably has an appeal for many, I feel it removes a specific element to television viewing which is allowing you take in an individual episode, and more so in my mind allow for the fun that comes from the discussions around that episode before the next one. I prefer that experience, I don't enjoy binging, as I enjoy the more communal element to watching a show. I also wonder if it somewhat diminishes the impact of shows in a broader pop culture sense because it is over and done with so quickly. For example the season 1 of Stranger Things did have an impact, but the viewings were delayed in a way because people were slowly discovering it.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Amazon and Warner Bros. are developing a Lord Of The Rings TV Series.

Michael McCarthy said...

I have no idea where to watch The Moderns, As Tears Go By, or Distant Voices Still Lives

Luke Higham said...

Michael: Try Alluc.ee and search for each there.

Anonymous said...

Louis: What Rotten Tomatoes percentage do you predict for the Lion King remake?

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: 80-85%

Deiner said...

Louis: Wait, did your opinion of Lange's performance in Feud improve? Off topic, what are your ratings and thoughts on Sandy Dennis, Mia Farrow and Gene Hackman in Another Woman?

94dfk1 said...

Henry W.: I was just thinking about what could've been of Ledger recently actually haha. Here's what I think his filmography could've looked like now
2009- Parnassus
2010- Directorial debut with Ellen Page
2011- Year off
2012- TDKR
2013- Rush (instead of Hemsworth) and The Place Beyond The Pines (instead of Cooper)
2014-Year off
2015- Mad Max: Fury Road
2016- Hell or High Water (instead of Pine)
2017- Second movie as director

Anonymous said...

Louis: What do you think Cop Land needed to be a masterpiece?

94dfk1 said...

Calvin: George Miller met with Ledger several times for the part of Max before he died actually. He said that Heath had all the traits that Mel had when he portrayed Max.

Robert: He actually dropped out of The Tree of Life shortly before his death haha. I think Brad Pitt works better in that part anyway.

JackiBoyz said...

1. Cheung
2. Postlethwaite
3. Lone
4. Walsh
5. Idle

Luke Higham said...

I'll put Postlethwaite in 2nd again.

2. Postlethwaite
3. Lone

Calvin Law said...

1. Cheung
2. Postlethwaite
3. Lone
4. Idle
5. Walsh

Louis Morgan said...

Saw Thor Ragnarok, loved the 90% of the movie that was a Taika Waititi film, the 10% of it that was a standard Marvel movie was okay.

Luke:

I'll get you the Morricone ranking soon.

I actually would say Lord of the Rings could easily support a tv show, though it needs an imaginative mind to work with what is given, and naturally expand on the other stories alluded to by Tolkein. I'm not sure returning to the Shire, or Aragorn would work. I think there are tales to tell though. I think a series about Blue Wizards during the war with Sauron could work for example.

Anonymous:

About 90% for a guess given Favreau's success with Jungle Book.

Deiner:

I thought she was great in the finale, though my reservations remained towards the rest of her performances.

Refer to my response to Omar above in regards to Another Woman.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on Ragnarok and the cast.

Calvin Law said...

Yeah that's sort of what I thought of Ragnarok too. Hope you loved Korg like moi.

Also, Louis, who was your favourite 'Totoro' out of the all the creatures?

Matt Mustin said...

Louis, is there any particular reason the cast of What We Do in the Shadows is missing from your rankings that year? I think I remember you saying you saw it?

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

To break down in further detail that 90% of the film we get pure Waititi madness, and such wonderful madness it is. I loved the Flash Gordon style aesthetic, and the constant parade of hilarious brand of Waititi humor that is very much my cup of tea. I will say I kinda wish the whole film had been built around the arena and the trash planet because I loved every facet of that. The other 10% of the film was serviceable yet threw the pacing off I felt since you could feel the part of the film Waititi's heart was in. It felt like more a sequel to the original Thor, and the Dark World, though I would say it was better than those films. Luckily it's still 90/10, and that 10% isn't bad. I would love to sequel though where Waititi is given the full reigns though, nonetheless this still stands as one of my favorite Marvel movies since you certainly can feel the directors impression.

Hemsworth - 4(Comedy is apparently what he belongs in, particularly with the Waititi blend since this is easily his best portrayal of Thor. Hemsworth is great though as he brings the same swagger and sort of overt gravitas to his delivery, and beautifully makes a fool of himself while doing so. His timing is just on throughout the film and is far more endearing here than he ever was in his other films or the Avengers for that matter. I had a special affection for his doofusy delivery of Thor's repeated attempts at the Black Widow's calming methods.)

Hiddleston - 4(Another strong Loki reprise from him and technically he does well to bridge a certain gap in a way between the Thor movies through his work. Hiddleston obviously always had a bit of cheekiness to his work so it naturally translates to the more overly humorous tone here, however he does bring the right bit of subtle emotion in just a few moments.)

Blanchett - 3.5(She unfortunately is stuck in that marvel movie however she does her best to try to make something of it by camping it up, and doing quite well in that regard. She still feels always like a diversion, but she did her best to make it a pleasant one.)

Elba - 3(Also stuck in the Marvel movie however he does offer some emotional gravity in his scenes though limited.)

Goldblum - 4(This was primo undiluted Goldbluming at its finest. I loved how much he just went full Goldblum here in every smarmy line delivery of his, and was consistently hilarious by being so shameless in his approach.)

Thompson - 4(Very much an improvement over "I don't care" Natalie Portman. I was very happy to see got to get on the fun bringing her own type of swagger, and quite a bit of humor in her drunkard hero. She also does well in very brief backstory. Another reason though I'd love to see a proper full Waititi sequel.)

Urban - 3.5(Feels a makeup in a way to the fact that he would have been Thor if the original film had been made about five years earlier. Urban is allowed to be in the Waititi side briefly and as usual is quite good with the comedy there. He's mostly in the Marvel movie though which while limited he does deliver in realizing his character's arc.)

Hopkins - 3(As usual brings the weight behind his character, though I would be interested to see what his performance was like in the original version of his story.)

Waititi - 3.5(Everything he said was absolutely pure comic gold, though I will admit already hearing Waititi's voice out of a rock monster is about halfway there to begin with. Everything that he does is a gem in its own way, and I was always overjoyed to see old Korg show up again throughout.)

Ruffalo - 3.5(Got the most to play with as the Hulk this time around and I quite enjoyed his Hulk deliveries that were more than Hulk Smash. His return as Banner though was also quite hilarious display of a man being in complete confused daze who never quite gets out of it.)

House - 3(Enjoyable reprise of Paula, although perhaps not as determined.)

Cameos - (Loved em)

Calvin:

The big one.

Matt:

I forgot to update the list.

Calvin Law said...

Louis: your thoughts on the finale action setpiece? Because the more I think about it the more I liked it.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Morricone:

1. "Gabriel's Oboe"/"On Earth As It is Heaven"(I'll cheat slightly) - The Mission
2. "The Showdown" - For a Few Dollars More
3. "Ecstasy of Gold" - The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
4. "Deborah's Theme" - Once Upon a Time in America
5. "Man With a Harmonica" - Once Upon a Time in the West
6. "The Story of a Soldier" - The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
7. "Love Theme" - Cinema Paradiso
8. "L'Arena" - The Mercenary
9. "Once Upon a Time in the West" - Once Upon Time in the West
10. "Main Theme" - The Thing
11. "The Trio" - The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
12. "Morton" - Once Upon a Time in the West
13. "Final Duel" - Fistful of Dollars
14. "Farewell to Cheyenne" - Once Upon a Time in The West
15. "Main Theme" - The Untouchables
16. "Regan Theme" - Exorcist II
17. "Cockeye's Song" - Once Upon a Time in America
18. "Rabbia E Tarantella" - Colonna Sonora - Allonsanfan
19. "A Fistful of Dynamite" - Duck, You Sucker!
20. "La Resa" - The Big Gundown

Eh couldn't narrow it down, and still left off many great pieces.

Some of these are going off of Tarantino's use, but the pieces speak for themselves anyways.

Calvin:

I liked the action set piece Waititi seems quite capable with the large scale spectacle here. It was a scene that was really a Marvel movie scene for the most part, but very well handled one by Waititi in that vein. He never overcrowded the action, and I thought established everything within it very effectively as well.

Henry W said...

Guys: If the game known as The Last of Us was made into a feature film, who would play the character of Joel? What about this actor would make him useful to play Joel?

Anonymous said...

Henry W: A live-action adaptation of The Last of Us would suck.

Mitchell Murray said...

As its one of the most affecting games I've ever played I too am hesitant on a live action "Last of Us". For Joel, I'd say his look bares an uncanny resemblance to Hugh Jackman from "Prisoners", and Jackman certainly could bring the needed intensity for the part. But I think Josh Brolin would actually do a pretty strong job himself, since he has the authority, stoicism and underlying emotion if necessary.

Luke Higham said...

Henry W: NO NO NO

Video Game Adaptations will forever be trash.

Calvin Law said...

Like Michael McCarthy I'm not sure about The Florida Project's ending, but I otherwise adored it.

Omar Franini said...

Calvin: your ratings and thoughts on the cast?

Techno said...

1. Cheung
2. Lone
3. Postlethwaite
4. Idle
5. Walsh

Nancy Nakazato said...

1. Lone
2. Cheung
3. Postlethwaite
4. Idle
5. Walsh

BRAZINTERMA Prêmio Fictício said...

5 - Idle
4 - Walsh
3 - Postlethwaite
2 - Lone
1 - Cheung

Louis Morgan said...

Tahmeed:

Dormer - (Well really I just here him talk about the lord of light and destiny for a whole episode as Dormer's voice is rather amazing to begin with. Dormer goes further than that with his voice though portraying in those moments essentially the spirit that keeps Beric going even though there are several obvious reasons he should be dead. Dormer shows that to be in a way the man as the leader but we see the other side of the man that create a greater depth to him. Dormer in discussing his deaths reveals the more vulnerable man suffering essentially from dealing with his knowledge of his deaths and the void that he stared into. This doesn't subvert the rest of his performance but rather in a way shows how the man must carry such a passion while he is living.)

Kaye - (Kaye's performance is most of the time just a simple delight as he brings such a natural humor and even in warmth in portraying basically a lifelong souse who is just going through life on drink. Kaye uses this as the default setting to Thoros suggesting his long history of this state. Kaye shows then his more purposeful life as new to him, and almost not entirely he can understand. I especially love his scene where he speaks on reviving Beric and Kaye is moving in revealing essentially his basic concern for his friend that accidentally revived his faith. That revival though Kaye gives a real understanding to though showing it as a man who is still trying to come to terms with it after having given up on it long ago.)