Chishū Ryū did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying Shūkichi Hirayama in Tokyo Story.
Tokyo Story is a masterful film about an elderly couple visiting their adult children in Tokyo.
Longtime Yasujirō Ozu collaborator Chishū Ryū plays the male half of the couple, along with Chieko Higashiyama as Shūkichi’s wife Tomi, who actually wasn’t particularly old when the film was shot. Ryū plays the old man though it works honestly because he doesn’t try to put on any overt “old man” mannerisms like a crusty voice or over the top movement. Rather Ryū is convincing just with the calm deliberate manner of the man. That's a very subtle but believable way to make us believe that his father is the age the film says he’s in. Although anyone familiar with Ryū shouldn’t be too surprised that he takes such a modest approach as that is very much his creed as a performer and always the ideal fit for the equally modest style of Ozu. Much like Ozu, Ryū thrives often in the margins and in this instance Ryū’s performance particularly exists in the moments between moments. As much of Ryū’s screen-time as the father is just going about as a visiting dad. We see him with his wife where he and Higashiyama share a naturalistic and believable chemistry. There’s nothing complicated about it; they just simply are connected as they are. When visiting the adult children, including his daughter Shige (Haruko Sugimura), a hairdresser, and son Kōichi, a doctor, (Sō Yamamura), Ryū’s performance is one of largely quiet modesty. Ryū exudes the sense of the father not wanting to be too much of a bother most of the time keeping largely a smile on his face and a very pleasant demeanor even when both children end up struggling to spend all that much truly devoted time to their parents. The only person in Tokyo who truly goes out of her way is their daughter-in-law, the widow of their deceased son, Noriko (Setsuko Hara), who gladly spends time with them. Where Ryū even within his frequently smiling manner does exude that much of a greater genuine appreciation in this interaction that shows the difference between the smile just to be pleasant and the man reacting to a real appreciation for him.
The majority of Ryū’s performance is that smile and a pleasant nod, that isn’t a criticism however as the power of his performance is when that smile or nod is broken in anyway and the keen way in which Ryū is able to make such an impact out of so little changes within that, which ends up being rather profound in the nuance. There’s a moment early on where his wife mentions his drinking in older times and just the little annoyed noise that Ryū makes speaks to so much suddenly, as we get some insight into a man whose younger years were a bit more defined by alcohol than maybe he’d like to admit to. When speaking to his wife about his children even within the certain disappointment towards how his daughter is meaner than she used to be and his son is a much smaller scale doctor than he expected, Ryū’s changes to more contemplative and you are gained instantly the insights into how the man truly feels beneath the pleasant smile. When discussing the kids in general not having time for him and his wife, Ryū’s performance keeps the calm yet the sadness is so profoundly there between the smiles. It is truly remarkable because Ryū makes it all feel so natural when you catch just those glimpses of the man’s pain that he mostly keeps down. One of the most profound moments of this is when he goes out drinking with some other older men and Ryū’s moment of talking about his deceased son is tremendous. It isn’t a long moment yet just his degree of losing his composure, the sadness suddenly coming up, before pushing it down to just be there to be joyful with his friends is outstanding work from Ryū. Which the scene probably leads to his most overt scene though less serious, where Ryū is regardless effective in depicting the drunken near blacked out saunter of the dad who takes his friend to his daughter’s home and steadfastly ignores her questions.
The journey ends as it does with the parents returning home, however spoilers tragedy strikes when the mother takes ill then dies soon afterwards. This being quite frankly executed in one of the least melodramatic deaths in any film while also being one of the most heartbreaking because of just how natural it all feels. Key to the power of this is Ryū’s performance, he is amazing because we just see the steps in the man losing his composure, it is almost entirely physical work, particularly just as his wife dies, yet in the way you suddenly see the anxiety and sadness take over it is so painful to witness within the man who had almost entirely such a calm sunny disposition. Maybe most powerful is that even physically we see that he is absolutely distraught as man, his delivery of words just admiring the dawn, Ryū delivers with almost that same calm yet even within that calm we see how fundamental of a loss this truly was for the man. A man who in no way takes his loss as his own and we see Ryū’s portrayal of him being there for his children. Even more so there being for his daughter-in-law, the person who stays the longest with him and seems to most understand his loss. Their final conversation is so poignant where Ryū brings such earnest empathy as he encourages her to move on from his son, meanwhile still showing the pain of essentially looking forward to a life of loneliness himself. Ryū manages to bring the power in the subtle sense of the man’s acceptance, that isn’t acceptance without pain but rather is acceptance of that pain. His final scene being particularly understated of the man just looking out, now alone, in a new day Ryū has that consistency of the man’s presence yet he is no way the same man. You feel that loss in his quietude, and it is as tremendous as the most intense tragedy.
Tokyo Story is a masterful film about an elderly couple visiting their adult children in Tokyo.
Longtime Yasujirō Ozu collaborator Chishū Ryū plays the male half of the couple, along with Chieko Higashiyama as Shūkichi’s wife Tomi, who actually wasn’t particularly old when the film was shot. Ryū plays the old man though it works honestly because he doesn’t try to put on any overt “old man” mannerisms like a crusty voice or over the top movement. Rather Ryū is convincing just with the calm deliberate manner of the man. That's a very subtle but believable way to make us believe that his father is the age the film says he’s in. Although anyone familiar with Ryū shouldn’t be too surprised that he takes such a modest approach as that is very much his creed as a performer and always the ideal fit for the equally modest style of Ozu. Much like Ozu, Ryū thrives often in the margins and in this instance Ryū’s performance particularly exists in the moments between moments. As much of Ryū’s screen-time as the father is just going about as a visiting dad. We see him with his wife where he and Higashiyama share a naturalistic and believable chemistry. There’s nothing complicated about it; they just simply are connected as they are. When visiting the adult children, including his daughter Shige (Haruko Sugimura), a hairdresser, and son Kōichi, a doctor, (Sō Yamamura), Ryū’s performance is one of largely quiet modesty. Ryū exudes the sense of the father not wanting to be too much of a bother most of the time keeping largely a smile on his face and a very pleasant demeanor even when both children end up struggling to spend all that much truly devoted time to their parents. The only person in Tokyo who truly goes out of her way is their daughter-in-law, the widow of their deceased son, Noriko (Setsuko Hara), who gladly spends time with them. Where Ryū even within his frequently smiling manner does exude that much of a greater genuine appreciation in this interaction that shows the difference between the smile just to be pleasant and the man reacting to a real appreciation for him.
The majority of Ryū’s performance is that smile and a pleasant nod, that isn’t a criticism however as the power of his performance is when that smile or nod is broken in anyway and the keen way in which Ryū is able to make such an impact out of so little changes within that, which ends up being rather profound in the nuance. There’s a moment early on where his wife mentions his drinking in older times and just the little annoyed noise that Ryū makes speaks to so much suddenly, as we get some insight into a man whose younger years were a bit more defined by alcohol than maybe he’d like to admit to. When speaking to his wife about his children even within the certain disappointment towards how his daughter is meaner than she used to be and his son is a much smaller scale doctor than he expected, Ryū’s changes to more contemplative and you are gained instantly the insights into how the man truly feels beneath the pleasant smile. When discussing the kids in general not having time for him and his wife, Ryū’s performance keeps the calm yet the sadness is so profoundly there between the smiles. It is truly remarkable because Ryū makes it all feel so natural when you catch just those glimpses of the man’s pain that he mostly keeps down. One of the most profound moments of this is when he goes out drinking with some other older men and Ryū’s moment of talking about his deceased son is tremendous. It isn’t a long moment yet just his degree of losing his composure, the sadness suddenly coming up, before pushing it down to just be there to be joyful with his friends is outstanding work from Ryū. Which the scene probably leads to his most overt scene though less serious, where Ryū is regardless effective in depicting the drunken near blacked out saunter of the dad who takes his friend to his daughter’s home and steadfastly ignores her questions.
The journey ends as it does with the parents returning home, however spoilers tragedy strikes when the mother takes ill then dies soon afterwards. This being quite frankly executed in one of the least melodramatic deaths in any film while also being one of the most heartbreaking because of just how natural it all feels. Key to the power of this is Ryū’s performance, he is amazing because we just see the steps in the man losing his composure, it is almost entirely physical work, particularly just as his wife dies, yet in the way you suddenly see the anxiety and sadness take over it is so painful to witness within the man who had almost entirely such a calm sunny disposition. Maybe most powerful is that even physically we see that he is absolutely distraught as man, his delivery of words just admiring the dawn, Ryū delivers with almost that same calm yet even within that calm we see how fundamental of a loss this truly was for the man. A man who in no way takes his loss as his own and we see Ryū’s portrayal of him being there for his children. Even more so there being for his daughter-in-law, the person who stays the longest with him and seems to most understand his loss. Their final conversation is so poignant where Ryū brings such earnest empathy as he encourages her to move on from his son, meanwhile still showing the pain of essentially looking forward to a life of loneliness himself. Ryū manages to bring the power in the subtle sense of the man’s acceptance, that isn’t acceptance without pain but rather is acceptance of that pain. His final scene being particularly understated of the man just looking out, now alone, in a new day Ryū has that consistency of the man’s presence yet he is no way the same man. You feel that loss in his quietude, and it is as tremendous as the most intense tragedy.


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Hey guys
Update on my Top 10 prediction of Louis' lead actor in 1953:
1. Holden
2. Clift
3. Ryu
4. Mason (Julius Caesar)
5. Stewart
6. Boyer
7. Mori
8. Mason (Charade)
9. Ford
10. Hasegawa
Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast.
Louis: Category placements for the main performers.
Louis, thoughts on the direction and screenplay.
Obsession reminded a bit of Send Help actually where the lead female performance is particularly memorable, it certainly has its most of being unnerving, which honestly one scene involving an enigmatic phone call I found the most disturbing, however story wise it starts at an 10 and then only can go to 11 from there. Due to the lack of any real buildup from one extreme to another it ends up getting a little repetitive and therefore it just keeps you in a particularly unpleasant rhythm for the rest of the film. Which all that resulted in a film, for me, where probably would’ve been more satisfied as an hour, or less, part of an anthology of episode of anthology series because it really just gives you the “be careful what you wish for” hook, and doesn’t end up doing too much new with it.
Johnston - 3.5
Navarrette - 4.5
Tomlinson - 3
Lawless - 3.5
Louis, your thoughts on the trailer for the upcoming East of Eden miniseries? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdBr5KyUilU
Louis, where did you hear the rumor about Cooper and Spielberg supposedly clashing on Maestro?
Louis: I really hope, you consider giving De Niro in Taxi Driver an upgrade for this scene alone.
https://youtu.be/nRoV34pubTs?si=4iNOzzY6hokpsYGW
I'm sure you have seen this clip many times, but My God, the despair in his eyes, and suffocating sense of the aimlessness in that clip, just really got me. Like it's a marvelous depiction of depression for my money. There's that look around 2:36 onwards, that is just really heartbreaking. I have seen this movie many times too, but this time around, some of Travis' earlier scenes really hit me for some reason. Maybe it also has something to do with the past couple of months being slightly stressful/busier than usual for me, (possibly the worst I have felt in years), and some uncertainties regarding future, but I oddly felt seen for some reason lol. Maybe I should watch Drive next.
The funniest outcome would be Louis downgrading De Niro to a 4 out of spite.
Robert: shut up, man 😭😭.
Perfectionist: Not opposed to a De Niro upgrade at all, even if the ship has almost certainly sailed. Also, I hope you feel better soon man.
Perfectionist: If it were 10 years ago I might've felt the same, but his fives for Mean Streets (Upgrade), The Irishman and Killers Of The Flower Moon did soften the blow for me.
Louis, how do you rank all 20 1953 acting nominees and what is your favorite scene from each?
Top 20 Leading and Supporting Actress performances of 1953?
J96: Wait until he's fully finished 1953 because we're only getting one supporting review at most (maybe Hans Conried).
Conreid is technically lead, Hook has more screentime than Pan.
Robert: Was referring to 5000 Fingers of Dr. T.
Louis: Could you add my winning request for Leslie Nielsen in Creepshow to the Winning Requests page
And mine for Plemons in Game Night, for that matter?
Tahmeed: Thanks man. Have a great day yourself.
So glad you loved this performance. No hypberole - him and Hara's final scene together is one of the most powerful scenes I've seen in any film.
Louis: what do you make of this as a comparison to Make Way for Tomorrow? Both films are great obviously but I also find the differences between them quite fascinating. Particularly interesting in how they take different stances towards the children - Make Way for Tomorrow ends with the children realising how selfish they've been (articulated quite clearly by Thomas Mitchell's character), while Ozu opts to have a bit more of an compassionate stance towards the chasm between the children and parents (and I think the shades of an alcoholic past to Shūkichi do grant a certain understanding to why the kids may have a certain bitterness towards him).
Louis, who do you think does the better Caine impression between Brydon and Coogan here, and why? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFIQIpC5_wY
Luke:
Hara - 5(Maybe the performance all of her other performances feed into in a way with just how pitch perfect amazing her work is here. As what she is also doing is very much playing within the margins in creating such a fascinating juxtaposition towards such a sunny personality while also keeping within herself the whole film this deep sadness that defines the character. Hara showed an earnest charm and empathy in taking time for her in-laws, and makes that wholly real. Yet what she also makes clear is her own sense of a penetrating loneliness that is just nagging in little nuanced reactions of hers showing that while she is doing to be genuinely good she is also battling her own solitude by taking this time. She’s wonderful in every scene with her mother in law, specifically in just creating such a generous sense of warmth between the two and really the most familiar feeling of all relationships in the film. So in the last act what Hara is holding back is such devastation and her ability to make it only reveal itself so naturally often so briefly yet so pointedly is just absolutely incredible and so heartbreaking because it all just feels so real. Her final conversation with her father-in-law is just filled with so much history, so much sorrow, yet still with a striking sense of connection. Hara successfully creates the character with the most self-awareness and even in her final conversation of not judging the seemingly more blithe actions, Hara’s defining approach is still a sense of empathy mixed in with her own deep heartbreak just beneath the surface. Not making her ever a liar but just someone who is dealing with so much at once.)
Higashiyama - 4.5(Very much less complicated than her husband as in so many ways just the loving grandmother however so good in playing that note. As she brings such a palatable but natural warmth in so many moments, even when reacting to her grandsons running away from her or even having graciousness when her children can’t find the time for her. She brings that quality consistently but in a way that also feels believable. As she importantly in her reactions shows that she does see the truth of certain choices by her children, certainly senses them but has the ability not to take them to heart too much.)
Sugimura - 4.5(She’s wonderful I think in managing to balance the qualities of who I think in a different film would be the overt villain, yet I don’t think ever becomes as such. Rather she is able to show the complication of trying to juggle her world while also bringing her parents, having the moments of finding something for them to do with genuine intention even if she doesn’t find a way to volunteer herself. I think importantly though is the moment of challenging her own father when he’s drinking, which honestly her annoyed reaction is completely understandable and she plays it with a proper sense of disbelief that evokes a certain history rather than an immediate reaction. What seems probably her most blithe moment near the ending, Sugimura I think creates a great sense of the genuine grief, even when asking for the clothes, there is still pathos in there to a degree even if it seems so callous in the moment.)
Yamamura - 3.5(The child who has the least to do in a way, though I think he’s totally fine in just creating the presence of someone just a bit preoccupied with his own demands in just a natural convincing way.)
Kagawa - 4(What a resume of this and Sansho the Bailiff so early in her career. Her role is relatively small however I love what she brings in her brief time in so naturally realizing kind of the passion of youth, and arguably naivety. She channels the distaste of her character so effectively with earnest directness and we see how much she genuinely cares for her parents in that moment, in an uncomplicated yet wholly believable way.)
Ōsaka - 4(His screentime is very limited however he is very moving in his brief time in instantly conveying his certain immediate despair at the realization of his choices and then just bringing the visceral weight within the funeral scene of showing just how raw it is for him.)
I think it is fair to say pure ensemble, or Ryu is the sole lead, though really just barely. I think he has just enough perspective overall right till the end to call him lead. You can kind of make the argument for Higashiyama or Hara, though I think both have such stretches of absences within the narrative that I wouldn’t place them there either. It’s one where really it is the family’s story and when it focuses on each member they are almost as important as anyone else. Honestly I’d be more likely to put Ryu in supporting than to put Higashiyama or Hara in lead.
Anonymous:
Ozu’s direction is as usual precision within those minute details of the intimacy of his setting frequently. Although in this particular film we also have the sense of the environment elements that I think are important and capturing the landscapes. When Ozu kind of ever makes his hand more known it is particularly remarkable because so much of this is restraint. Yet in the funeral scene, the parents talking outside together, the moment of the father’s retreat, those are the moments Ozu pushes and each are of such exact choices that the impact is especially notable. He eases into those moments though so naturally even as pushes, yet they enliven every moment so incredibly it is all of such a delicate piece that is simply stunning work from him.
The screenplay is simply outstanding work in creating probably such a heartbreaking tragedy without really taking any dramatic allowances typical for such a story. Because I would say Ozu’s intention isn’t really about the tragedy per se, rather it is trying to give as much of a portrait of this single family as possible, where the tragedy ends up being a factor but within that overall scope of the film. What Ozu articulates through really mostly small moments is breathing life into so many different aspects of, well, family life. As there is the history of the dad, the mom, you really get a sense of how that differs and the connections between each son, daughter and daughter/sons in laws. Ozu takes time for the little warm moments, but just really is about where the disconnections come from, something he analyzes without a typical judgment to them. Rather where he finds the tragedy is creating the sense that such disconnection can become a natural process of families as they age and the truth in his realization of that is so much of what makes the film so powerful. As once again, and maybe the greatest iteration of it, Ozu makes a film so specifically Japanese, yet never alienating. Rather it is creating an intimacy in that culture, that family, that environment, and through that exposes so many universal connections and truths that go far beyond borders.
BuscemiFan:
Well interesting to see the whole book adapted, hopefully well, the trailer I think looks fine as basically the miniseries of expectation and it will be really the execution of all the moments that will matter. As such looking for something I will probably watch, as long as it gets decent reviews, though this trailer never blew me away, nor made me question it.
Calvin:
Well I think the comparison is obviously apt though I’d factor it into an example of true inspiring film, like High and Low on Parasite, than this film being any kind of remake because it really is very much doing its own thing beyond just theme of elders and when their children don’t have time for them. Both are remarkable films on their own, however I think Ozu does do something truly special by, as you noted, choosing to reduce the notions of the selfishness of the children. As I like how you see even the daughter who is seen as the most selfish, you see her dealing with her drunk dad, you do see her having moments of consideration, she’s not a villain in the slightest. And I think Ozu achieves that special thing because I think you can watch Make Way For Tomorrow and say, “I’m better than those kids”, however with Tokyo Story it is easier to see that it isn’t bad intentions rather just life, time and the natural progression of relationships.
BuscemiFan:
Brydon fairly easily, he sounds like variations of both Caines the whole time, Coogan only sounds like him when he gets loud and very loud indeed.
The Sheep Detectives Cast Ratings:
Jackman - 3.5
Braun - 3(Terrible accent though)
Galitzine - 2.5
Gordon - 2.5
Chau - 3
Thompson - 3
Cole - 2.5
Holdbrook-Smith - 2.5
Hill - 3
Louis-Dreyfus - 4
Cranston - 3.5
O'Dowd - 4
Hall - 3
Stewart - 3.5
Ramsey - 3
Darby - 3
Goldstein - 3
RIP Tom Kane
Excellent performance in a masterpiece. Hope TS gets Louis's Picture and Ensemble wins.
Louis: Thoughts on the “Her Private Hell” teaser?
Hey Luke and guys
Say Top 5 predictions for 1953 of Louis: Director, Lead and Supporting Actresses.
Shaggy: Fred Zinnemann for From Here To Eternity, Simone Signoret in Therese Raquin or Harriet Andersson in Summer With Monika for Actress and Setsuko Hara in Tokyo Story for Supporting Actress.
Luke: I think he might give Ozu the director win.
Matt: Reading his thoughts again, I agree.
My picks (no order)
Best Director
Henri Georges Clouzot - The Wages of Fear
Kenji Mizoguchi - Ugetsu
Yasujiro Ozu - Tokyo Story
Billy Wilder - Stalag 17
Fred Zinnemann - From Here to Eternity
Lead Actress
Audrey Hepburn - Roman Holiday
Michiyo Kogure - A Geisha
Simone Signoret - Therese Raquin
Barbara Stanwyck - All I Desire
Anne Vernon - Rue de l'Estrapade
Supporting Actress
Gloria Grahame - The Big Heat
Setsuko Hara - Tokyo Story
Celia Johnson - The Captain’s Paradise
Deborah Kerr - From Here to Eternity
Thelma Ritter - Pick Up on South Street
Is anyone else getting that "newer post" tag under this review even though this seems like the most recent one?
I'm getting it too.
Bryan:
I mean it *looks* cool but Refn hasn't had a problem making a cool looking movie, he's had a problem making a good movie. The fact that the story seems so vague probably isn't the best sign, but we'll see...later today I think.
Marcus & Harris:
Not sure what's causing that, I haven't made any changes on my end.
Louis: The film got absolutely hammered this morning.
Luke:
Sadly not too surprising. If Refn wouldn't listen to Friedkin about Only God Forgives, he wouldn't listen to anyone.
Louis: Do you think anyone is Lead in DTF St. Louis?
Lucas:
I'd say both Harbour and Bateman were lead. Cardellini is on the border.
Louis: Your thoughts on Yuharu Atsuta's cinematography.
Louis: What are your thoughts on the cast of The Sheep Detectives?
Louis: Your thoughts on "A starter car?" and "BECAUSE I HATE YOU" from It's Always Sunny, especially the latter in terms of Howerton's and McElhenney's performances?
Louis, what are your top 25 lead and supporting female performances of 2006?
Anonymous: He'll answer that during his return to 2006.
Mira Kirshner “The Black Dahlia”
Adriana Barraza “Babel”
Riko Kikichi “Babel”
Claire Hope Ashitay “Children of Men”
Julianne Moore “Children of Men”
Vera Farmiga “The Departed”
Pam Ferris “Children of Men”
Maribel Verdu “Children of Men”
Scarlett Johansson “The Prestige”
Audrey Tatou “The DaVinci Code”.
Louis, your MVP’s and LVP’s of the 2004 BP nominees?
Matt: Your ratings for Brosnan and Rush in The Tailor Of Panama.
Louis: Could you watch House Of Wax (Vincent Price) tomorrow before moving on to the re-watches.
Luke:
Brosnan-4
Rush-4.5
I meant Maribel Verdu for “Pan’s Labyrinth”. Whoops! I got my three amigos mixed up! Shame on me!
Louis: Also thoughts on the sound design of Gallipoli.
What do you think of the trailer for One Night Only? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRG244IfrRE
Tim Schultze: Thoughts on the Scrubs episodes My Catalyst and His Story 3?
Louis: Your present acting roles for Orson Welles?
Louis: Category placement for Navarette in Obsession? I thought she was right on the borderline.
8000’s:
Tokyo Story is low key gorgeous and really I guess I’ll just repeat the framing and composition of Ozu is so exact in the brilliance of how much he is able to get into such small spaces, to feel intimate, natural but never overstuffed. All that is great, with specific lighting to those scenes and just that element of being there. But within Tokyo Story we get those moments of brilliance Atsuta Ozu, such as the parents walking along the ocean, the father in the dawn while in sorrow, any moment where they show the environment, absolutely stunning and striking and so vibrant even within black and white. And perhaps another example of Ozu’s greatness in his direction in this instance because those more overt moments only amplify and feel as essential highlights rather than in any way interfere with the normalcy emphasized by so much of the work.
Lucas:
Jackman - (He basically is there just to bring an earnest paternal energy and delivers as such. Leaving the right impact in just offering this essentially “good guy” energy for a few scenes and leaving the right impact. Has a bit more in his last moment where he brings a nice sincere warmth as well.)
Braun - (His accent is basically you could call the “Van Dyke” not that he’s doing cockney but similar in just not at all doing it beyond the most stereotypical English pronunciation. However I did find his ability to be bumbling did shine through enough a few moments for me to overall like what he did, but I think there was probably a greater performance possible where he could’ve advanced from bumbling to earnest. Braun really just stays bumbling.)
Galitzine - (Found all of his just a bit over the top, not to the point of true distraction but didn’t find him good.)
Gordon - (Basically the same performance I see from her almost every time.)
Thompson - (I’d say slightly underutilized on the whole but she does bring a nice cutting bite with the few lines she does get and her final reactions are more than decent.)
Cole & Holdbrook-Smith - (Both didn’t really make much of an impact either way.)
Hill - (Enjoyed his slightly over the top vicious manner in his few cutaway reaction shots.)
Chau - (She doesn’t get too much to do, however impressive in the way still she just disappears into every role to a certain degree in that Masayuki Mori kind of way.)
Louis-Dreyfus - (Interesting two of the legendary television performers here shining in a way that they often don’t in film roles. She is one of them and really brings a great deal of nuance within her portrayal of the smart but still a sheep sheep. She brings I think the right enthusiasm early on fitting for playing an animal basically with certain naive qualities, but when the narrative shifts to darker elements, her breaking of that actually is very impressive through her voice that does really grant those moments a more remarkable poignancy.)
Cranston - (Like Isle of Dogs, his bigger delivery really works well for vocal performances, and in this case finding the right quality of not quite boisterousness but very much a contrasting directness that works quite well in setting him apart in the right way, with enough nuance there when he needs it.)
O’Dowd - (Very impressive work where every time his character mentions his memories it is genuinely very moving because you do get a sense of just how much that means in the combination of the bitter and the sweet every time he speaks on the matter. O’Dowd finds a lot there and in no way simplifies it because it's a sheep. Managing to convey pain and a real warmth in these moments. And he’s also good in some of the sillier moments that don’t undercut the rest of his work.)
Stewart - (The most overtly comedic of the vocal performances and just brings the right regal silliness in his delivery that really works nicely for his bits.)
The rest of the sheep voices - (They mainly all have one bit to hit, but they all deliver on it.)
Tahmeed:
Starter Car is just amazing in the reaction of Howerton initially in taking it in while creating this buildup that frankly has kind of a Shakespearean quality in making his onslaught against the man not just rage, but this like declaration of a war against him as he pronounces his judgement.
Because I Hate You, is just an absolutely hilarious payoff where again Howerton’s depiction of rage is about as funny as anything on TV, where in this instance playing it as the most intense of exasperation that is of such a beautiful buildup till the moment in the episode.
J96:
Million Dollar Baby: MVP: Clint Eastwood LVP: Jay Baruchel
The Aviator: MVP: Leonardo DiCaprio LVP: Adam Scott
Finding Neverland: MVP: Kelly Macdonald LVP: Freddie Highmore
Ray: MVP: Sharon Warren LVP: Jamie Foxx
Sideways: MVP: Paul Giamatti LVP: Shaun Duke
BuscemiFan:
Despite the song mentioning chemistry really wasn’t sensing it between the two leads in that trailer, which seemed like mostly a standard romcom just with the hook that seemed strangely laid out in the trailer. Seemed like a needless contrivance almost, maybe in the actual film it is more dominant because here it just seemed like an attempt to make it original even though in every other way it looks generic.
Ytrewq:
Lancaster Dodd
Beria
Baron Harkonnen (Again)
Cardinal Tremblay
Robert:
Felt she was like Dafoe in The Lighthouse, despite there being more side characters, where she only had technically one scene from her perspective, however she, and the relationship, so dominate the film and its progression that it makes her co-lead.
Louis: I kinda think Jude Law was the LVP of The Aviator
Louis, if you remember them well enough to say, what are your thoughts and ratings on the cast of Finding Neverland? I can't find them if you've given them before.
Louis: who would you have cast in Braun's part? Josh O'Connor is probably the easy answer, maybe Joseph Quinn.
Also, thoughts on this alternative A Fish Called Wanda cast?
Archie: Harry Melling
Wanda: Ariana Grande
Otto: Lee Byung-hun
Ken: David Jonsson
Wendy: Rosalind Eleazar
I want to hear your thought process on Lee as Otto, since Otto’s entire identity is based around being an ignorant, buffoonish American.
For sure, which is why I specified alternative as it would probably be an entirely different kind of buffoonery that Lee could play into (though to be fair, I did keep the rest of the casting choices fairly within the 'ballpark', so to speak).
But mainly I'm just keen on seeing Lee do more comedy in general after NOC.
Louis: Could Ryū go up a spot or two in your ranking for Late Spring?
Louis: Your thoughts on the cast of Obsession (2025)?
Louis & Luke: Tom Hardy’s services on Mobland are no longer required.
Silent Friend is mostly a mood piece about connecting with trees, yeah man, trees, wild. Anyway that strange setup mostly works in the film's gradual casual rhythm of three stories separated times but connected by the same universities and the same trees. The most interesting and most dramatic being the earliest where the protagonist has the most going on in her life beyond those trees and perhaps has the greatest impact where you can sense an essential comfort while finding such hostility elsewhere. The middle 70’s portion felt like many European coming of age young person art films of any ilk, just with plants, not bad but familiar. And the modern segment is defined by isolation of Covid, which maybe I would’ve liked less if not for being led by Tony Leung who is always interesting to watch, particularly within long contemplative silences, in this instance as a researcher who is fascinated by how trees might be interacting with him. I wouldn’t say combined the three elevated to something truly profound but regardless still found mostly compelled by three unusual perspectives.
Leung - 4
Seydoux - 3
Wedler - 4.5
Brumm - 3
Burow - 2.5
Groth - 3
Matt:
I mean he would be another candidate, I had totally forgotten Scott was in the film and his bits I felt were very “SEE I’M PLAYING A GUY FROM THE 30’s SEE”.
BuscemiFan:
I haven't re-watched the film since I reviewed Depp, so if the thoughts aren’t there I’m not going to give them now as they would be very vague at this point.
Calvin:
O’Connor seems pitch perfect, Quinn though would also work, MacKay of course, Hoult has a great knack for comedy, or another part David Jonsson would’ve thrived in.
Speaking of Jonsson would be perfect, Melling perfect, Eleazar could work, Grande certainly has comedic chops, though her and Lee would be such a weird couple…however I’m not saying it wouldn’t work either. Speaking of seeing Lee let loose in such a specifically silly way could be pretty great.
Tahmeed:
Though I’m quite fond of the Mifunes and Farrar as well.
Bryan:
Shame Hardy can’t get out of his own way it seems.
Lucas:
Johnston - (Early on he reminded maybe a little too much of Fred Hechinger early on where I just very much felt the performance, and yes one can attribute that to an overly guarded cowardly person but didn't buy it on that level either. Having said that once the horror begins I thought he became more natural in his performance conveying the intensity of the awkwardness and the growing fear of the situation. Being particularly good in the moments of the character contemplating his choices and emphasizing that sense of personal need more so than empathy in a few moments and hit that note especially well.)
Navarette - (In so many ways is the film, though I think her brief early scenes she grounds it well by just bringing a naturalism in her scenes and could be in a potential romantic film in a different situation. Granting the sense of personal need and moment of genuine vulnerability. Then that gets all twisted where she then becomes the extremes which her extremes are many and varied in those extremes. Quite effective in the way it goes from such emotional intensity, to a kind of dispassion in other moments, and almost a put on emotion when presenting her deepest “sorrows” so to speak. All of which are unnerving in their own right and her work certainly has that visceral edge where she manages to be deeply frightening by seething with emotion, having this fake emotion and the most demented emotion. Although with those key breaks where we see the “real” her, where her performance changes to become suddenly genuine in a different more naturalistic way, though in conveying a situation of horror most effectively. Everything she does works and very much carries so much of the film by just matching the concept with her intensity.)
Tomlinson - (Pretty much one note douche, for the lack of a better word, “best friend”. Though not much more is asked of him than that either.)
Lawless - (Brings the right sense of awkwardness and her own vulnerability moments in a way that is contrasting and effective albeit in just a few moments.)
Louis, your present roles for Joseph Cotten, Charles Laughton and Claude Rains?
Louis: Merely thought it'd be fair to infer that you at least remembered Macdonald and Highmore well enough for them to be your MVP and LVP choices.
Harris:
Cotten:
Edward (A Different Man)
Patrick Wheeler (Ain't Them Bodies Saints)
James B. Donovan
Laughton:
Dr. Godwin Baxter
Cardinal Lawrence
Colm Doherty
Rains:
Hans Landa
Harrison Lee Van Buren
Dr. John Cawley
BuscemiFan:
Yes well enough to recall vaguely that MacDonald captured the spirit of Peter Pan and that Highmore liked overemphasis as his basic setting but that's about it.
Not reviewing Hasegawa who I think is fine at being a loud angry jerk, to a loud horny jerk, to a whiny moron at the very end but really has very limited notes to play. Which is really the intention of the role, however as such I think he's overshadowed by both Kyo and Yamagata who find far more nuance, though to be fair they're given more nuance as well.
Plans wise I will be watching a few more 53 films I haven't seen, then do the re-watches then post the results for lead.
Hope you get to From Here to Eternity first, that one has only grown on me over time. In my top 10 favorite Best Picture winners. Hoping you see what I do in Reed this time. I love how bitter and underplayed her “big scene” is delivered.
Hope Mori gets a shot at an upgrade too, Ugetsu still has a special place in my heart.
Louis: Your rating for Hasegawa and ratings and thoughts on the rest of the cast of Gate of Hell.
Robert: If you were to give Sinatra a rating for From Here to Eternity, whereabouts would you land?
A solid 4. His death scene is a bit much, but he’s a rock solid presence up to that point and has so much chemistry with Clift.
Louis: What are your thoughts on the cast of Silent Friend?
Louis: Thoughts on the Cannes winners.
And your first oscar predictions (including Animated Feature) with thoughts.
Louis: Time for my winning request, do you not mind if I request a TV series as a request...just for you to watch it.
Tahmeed:
3.5.
Kyo - 4.5(Her performance is one I wish there was even more focus on because she is quite captivating when she is focused upon. Where her work is mostly silent reactions with a few speaking moments. Within her silences though she is able to convey more than a great deal. Where she takes in the nuance of the different combination of the social pressure, with genuine fear, and some hints of disgust. Contrasting that with her moments with her husband where we get warmth, appreciation but also concern. She brings honesty to a journey that in terms of the pacing of the film, it is pretty rushed, but I will say the fact that it works to the degree that it does is due to Kyo.)
Senda - 3.5(Brings the right boisterous quality of the man very much reveling in his victory to the degree of losing his control of it a bit. Senda finds though a nice touch where you see his moment of trying to balance some of his promises with a bit of extra thought, only after he is reminded of such considerations but nicely brings some sense of logic within the character who overall does really care about it.)
Lucas:
Leung - (Mostly just offering his naturally captivating presence where Leung thinking just is more interesting that most actors thinking. Finding this natural charm in a general graciousness with that low key manner of the character’s keen interest in something. It isn’t maybe his most challenging part but in a sense he’s essential because he does make everything a bit more interesting by just being as he is.)
Seydoux - (She’s fine in basically a few slightly curious and earnest zoom calls but her work doesn’t add up to too much.)
Wedler - (The standout in the film however she also is the one with a far greater dramatic arc than anyone else. Where we see her way of rather powerfully at times playing this combination of attempted self-assurance in conveying her knowledge while also internalizing the sense of distress in basically being under one kind of attack or another at all times. The key of her work though is so powerfully presenting the period manner of someone who still needs to thrive in the system even as she’s a victim of it. Playing well that edge of her performance where you see the greater distress and really even anger against what she’s dealing with that she then pushes down towards moments of being incisive while also being cordial as to remain within her position. Combined with that she excels in showing the important moments of her finding her comforts in life and building the sense of self-assurance and the importance of discovering places in her life where she isn’t under a constant scrutiny.)
Brumm/Burow - (They are okayish, Brumm made a little more of an impact but I didn’t really get pulled into too much by either performance.)
Groth - (Basically a punchline performance of being this presence of grump from a distance then a change, he delivers on that however.)
RatedRStar:
As long as you understand I won’t necessarily watch the whole thing.
Luke:
Fjord taking the win, with two Oscar nominees in the cast, certainly helps to support the Palm getting an Oscar nod, and probably will add another Palm to being a major player all things considered. Otherwise a mix of maybes depending on how thick the rest of the years as I could see Minotaur, The Black Ball, Fatherland and All of A Sudden factoring in either major or minor ways in the upcoming season.
Louis: That is fine... I would like to request that you watch the first series of....Life on Mars, its one of the UKs most beloved series. It also gives you the chance to see 2 very underrated performers in John Simm and Phillip Glenister.
If I had to pick one, I'll probably pick the first series of Rome at some point in the future.
Luke:
Best Picture:
Wild Horse Nine
Project Hail Mary
Fjord
The Social Reckoning
Digger
A Place in Hell
Dune Part 3
Jesse Eisenberg Musical Comedy
Wildwood
The Odyssey
Wild Horse Nine seems primed as long as it's good as McDonagh is fully in the Academy now. PHM is already proven it’s honestly just a matter of how many other contenders there will be. Fjord just got the go ahead, it sounds fairly prickly and challenging though so reason for pause. The Social Reckoning probably won’t be great but Sorkin’s films have consistently garnered Oscar nominations. Digger will either be greater or a disaster I imagine, but we’ll see. A Place in Hell was basically an avenue for Williams to win an Oscar. Dune 3 because it has been embraced and if Villeneuve can make Messiah cinematic, then he ought to get the embrace again…though the ending of the book makes one pause a little. Throwing Eisenberg’s film out as if it hits, seems like a natural enough step up. Wildwood I have a NGNG just by the seeming ambition of the trailer. I don’t think Odyssey will be Oppenheimer, but it can easily be Inception.
Director
AGI
Villeneuve
Mungiu
McDonagh
Eisenberg
Why not.
Actor:
Tom Cruise - Digger (Winner)
John Malkovich - Wild Horse Nine
Ryan Gosling - Project Hail Mary
Sebastian Stan - Fjord
John Turturro - The Only Living Pickpocket in New York
Cruise like the film sounds like he’s going all in, if it pays off, no reason to doubt a crowning moment. Malkovich seems like a good bet from the trailer already. Gosling is just based on if he can weather all the other contenders. Stan as a followup nominee in theoretical major contender makes sense. Turturro as a passion pick for a smaller film like Hawke makes enough sense.
Actress:
Michelle Williams - A Place in Hell (Winner)
Tao Okamoto - All of A Sudden
Sandra Hüller - Rose
Julianne Moore - Jesse Eisenberg Musical
Mikey Madison - The Social Reckoning
If Williams has a dominating role it would make sense to win. Okamoto just based on potentially the juicier role of the duo/just a greater awareness of her stateside. Hüller ought to get in for something, sounds like the flashier of her two lead roles and already has the Silver Bear for it. Moore seems like someone who should get another nomination at some point so if Eisenberg’s film is good it makes sense. Afterglow for Madison, maybe it is easier to sell as an ensemble, we’ll see. Next up would probably be Reinsve.
Supporting Actor:
Paul Giamatti - Jesse Eisenberg Musical (Winner)
Steve Buscemi - Wild Horse Nine
John Goodman - Digger
Tom Courtenay - Queen At Sea
Jeremy Strong - The Social Reckoning
If the film is good, and Giamatti has a juicy classic supporting role, could be the ideal matchup for him. Rockwell’s placement will decide things a bit more, though they could also both get in, but from the trailer it seems like Buscemi will get to chew on some things and finally get his nomination. Speaking of finally getting his nomination, Goodman if he has the role, which from early word maybe? Maybe a passion push for Courtenay to get another nomination is certainly possible. Don’t have the most faith in the actual performance, but if The Social Reckoning is a thing Strong seems likely a thing as well.
Supporting Actress:
Sandra Hüller - Digger (Winner)
Mariana di Girolamo - Wild Horse Nine
Daisy Edgar-Jones - A Place in Hell
Bernadette Peters - Jesse Eisenberg Musical
Scarlett Johansson - Paper Tiger
Again just put her everywhere, but could see the banner year going all the way to a win somewhere. If I’m going all in with Eisenberg might as well keep going with Peters. Di Girolamo from the trailer seems potentially a “heart” type performance so sure. If Williams is winning, her film rival would make sense to include. Paper Tiger had praise but Gray just hasn’t been embraced. But maybe Johansson, why not at this point.
Animated:
Wildwood (Winner)
Toy Story 5
Ray Gun
Shaun the Sheep: The Beast of Mossy Bottom
Hexed
Well if I’m going for it in picture Wildwood definitely will be here. Doubt Toy Story at one’s own peril. Netflix pushing Brad Bird seems like an easy enough bet. Both previous Shaun the Sheep films made it so why doubt now? Hexed for “pure” Disney’s inclusion makes enough sense.
Louis: What do you think of the casting that's been confirmed for The Batman Part II.
Harris:
My Catalyst is just a great episode where almost every joke hits the bleachers, all the stoylines work, giving our three male leads a little buff to their egos, we get an interesting new character played fantastically by MJF, culminating in an outstanding scene with which he once again proves his range and how great an actor he really is and how great of a career of his we sadly missed
His Story 3 - i could talk about Turk having a relatable dilemma here, or about how this episode gives Elliot more depth, or how well Carla factors into both parts as two diferent kind of mother roles, but come on, how can you not love the Janitor and celebrate him finally getting his time to shine? It's wonderful to see him in this plotline in which he finally gets to feel good about himself for once, where he still manages to put one hi,larious line after another in there and still how deep such a silly side character can really go. To quot Morgan Freeman: "People underestimate the importance of good maintenance"; and i am really thankful that this show took its time to really give some respect to a man without whom nothing would run properly in that place. And him having had Hot Nurse Jill? I buy that.
Add on top of that a truly earned tear-jerker of a final line, and you've got an amazing episode on your hand.
So, do i dislike it? "NAAAAAAAAAHHHH!"
Side note: Is there a reason you always call me by my last name? Nobody else here does that, and that's sort of by design ...
Watching Shane, which is very good, but Brandon de Wilde's performance reminds me of this https://youtu.be/gOYbUSnMqKQ?si=2_cB_B9aOUc0m4wH
Shane cast ratings:
Ladd-4.5
Heflin-3.5
Arthur-2.5
deWilde-2
Cook-4
Palance-3.5(Although this is absolutely the best anyone could possibly be in this role)
Johnson-3
Meyer-3.5
Tim: Just thought it'd be easier for you to notice amid the deluge of comments if I included your surname.
Did you upgrade Donna Reed?
Glad to see Lancaster went up (and I presume Kerr has as well, based on your thoughts there).
Can't believe you finally budged on Sinatra, always felt 1.5 was way too harsh.
Yeah, I’m really happy to see Burt and Sinatra upgraded, even if the latter is by a smidge. Lancaster grows on me every viewing. I really, really hope Clift takes the win, his performance is probably my favorite Best Actor loser.
Louis: How do you think the actual voting results/ranking looked like for the 53 Lead Oscar nominees? It's interesting that Holden thought that Lancaster was the favorite to win.
I'd like to know the narrative behind how Holden won. Was it left over love from Sunset Boulevard?
That's how he saw it. Personally I always thought it was a hugely deserving win in its own right.
I guess if you love that film you love the performance. I don't love the film at all, but I did think he was the best part by far.
I flat-out don’t like Stalag 17. Holden has some fun moments, but not only was his win excessive, I don’t even think he fully counts as lead. No one feels like a lead in it.
Luke:
Stan as Two-face is great casting, Johansson, we'll see as there are challenges in that role I haven't seen from her yet, Dance as yet another imperious father figure sounds a bit lazy, hopefully it is something more interesting. Always for Henry being cast in something, honestly could be a great Harvey Bullock.
Robert:
Yes.
Tahmeed:
Interesting year to look at retroactively, as the other awards that year, hard to call them precursors at that time, went:
NY: Lancaster
NBR: Mason for his banner year.
BAFTA: Brando
Globes: Not nominated Tracy and Niven.
So it makes sense that Lancaster was favored just because he was the only one who got a win going in, even though the NY winners were hardly 1 to 1 with Oscar. My guess the actual voting probably went something like
1. Holden
2. Lancaster
3. Clift
4. Brando
5. Burton
Holden among the five had the longest career, Stalag 17 wasn't as loved as Eternity but still had three pivotal nominations, and while "vote splitting" is frequently overstated when it comes to multiple nominees from one film, this one I could've seen actually hurt the votes as there might've been a passion base for Clift while Lancaster was seen the front-runner narrowing the margin enough for Holden to take the win.
Pressure Cast Ratings:
Scott - 4
Fraser - 2
Condon - 3
Messina - 3
Lewis - 3
Louis: Thoughts on the cast. Love Fraser but that was bizarre casting.
I'm glad Fraser's getting roles, just hope he can back up his Oscar win with a great performance in the near future soon.
I hope The Mummy 4 brings back that fun energy of Fraser.
I read somewhere the crew of From Here to Eternity thought it should have been Clift, and they made him a home-made Oscar after he lost.
Luke:
Scott - (Gets to be an imperious genius for many scenes and Scott does that well. Particularly within the way of playing very much within the scene of playing that introverted manner where you see him constantly calculating to slowly expressing himself with this particularly intense yet precise manner of someone who has utter confidence with his own abilities. Combining beyond that he does very well with the bits of emotional connection of his character to the home where there’s not a lot script wise but Scott hits those moments well even within their limitations. Then we have his turn late which I feel is a bit rushed within the scheme of the film as he becomes a bit warmer, but I still thought Scott played it nicely as a variation on the man’s manner.)
Fraser - (Yeah doesn’t look like Eisenhower doesn’t act like Eisenhower, even if you wanted to play it totally his own way Fraser doesn’t convince that he’d be this calm commander of all the armed forces who could manage such disparate and intense personalities as Monty and Patton. Rather Fraser plays far too much into the emotional desperation, which should be an element within his performance as Eisenhower did have a strong emotional connection to his decisions but not the overriding quality where it seems like they guy is almost ready to lose his composure every five seconds. Fraser just overplays the note and seems like someone who is at this extreme almost at all times and doesn’t for a moment convince you that he’s Eisenhower, or even just this important General leading a gigantic military effort.)
Condon - (Offers fine support mostly just through her general personality of her presence in bringing this sense of toughness but also with the undercurrent of warmth. I hope she gets a little bit of a different role though soon as this, F1, and Train Dreams, though the latter being the most successful as such, all are a little too similar. Not again I think Condon is just playing them exactly the same, she's just playing overly similar roles.)
Messina - (Delivers that performance that he almost always seems to deliver, I mean does it well enough but I wouldn’t say he’s all that dynamic.)
Lewis - (Brings out the stiff upper lip to the extreme, although fittingly as the pompous Monty. Lewis delivers on the note but we really just have him there to be the same Monty as depicted in Patton.)
Yeh, Fraser's career revival got off to a rocky start it seems. Unless you're one of the people who adore him in The Rental Family, beacuse I'm sure that specific group exists out there.
Hey guys
New update to my prediction of the Top 10 best lead actors in Louis in 1953:
1. Holden
2. Clift
3. Ryu
4. Mason (Julius Caesar)
5. Stewart
6. Lancester
7. Boyer
8. Mori
9. Mason (Charade)
10. Ford
What is your prediction?
Inshallah may Clift dethrone Holden.
I personally wouldn't predict Holden to retain his win, but I've been wrong before.
Louis: do you think Fraser winning an Oscar has been more of a detriment than an asset to his career? Kind of like Rod Steiger?
I also think Holden will keep his win. Clift already has his victory, so there's no reason to be sad.
I'm hoping A. Hepburn finally wins. Because I wanted her to win for Love in the Afternoon and They All Laughed.
RIP Albert Wolsky
The thing about Fraser is he's a good actor but he's not one of these guys who can play all sorts of roles, like they've been pushing him as. He's at his best when he can use his charm in some way.
Pleased Mori went up.
Could you give Shane a re-watch.
Anonymous:
Possibly, as right now it does seem like he took it that he should go for the most intense emoting because that's what got him an Oscar. Frankly giving late Steigeresque work in Killers of the Flower Moon (though I am aware he shot that before he won the Oscar), Brothers and now Pressure.
Anonymous:
I can before I complete supporting.
I mean, Rental Family wasn't amazing but it definitely is the kind of role Fraser thrives more in. But either way I'm pretty sure his career has benefited from winning an Oscar more than not, when you look at the kind of roles and films he was getting beforehand.
Yeah, im with Calvin, obviously it was good for his career. He's in like 5 movies a year now.
You can argue simply the nomination opened more opportunities but I was more so referring to his choices acting wise anyways. Though Rental Family is an outlier.
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