Thursday, 25 July 2024

Alternate Best Supporting Actor 1998: Jim Caviezel, Sean Penn & Nick Nolte in The Thin Red Line

Jim Caviezel did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying Pvt. Robert E. Lee Witt and Sean Penn did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying Sgt. Edward Welsh in The Thin Red Line.

I will admit a film I already loved, I might've loved it even more watching this time, perhaps because no matter where the film wanders to there is something to treasure in this unique exploration of a single battle in World War II, covering as a battle, but also a spiritual experience. The key relationship in pondering the key themes of the film is between Jim Caviezel's Private Witt and Penn's Sergeant Welsh. Two characters that are in terms of their original conception continuations of Montgomery Clift's and Burt Lancaster's characters in From Here to Eternity, although adapted in the sequel novel, and adapted again by Malick's screenplay that is far from a straightforward adaptation. Seeing these men as continuations of those men, does make sense, as we open the film with Witt, like Clift's Prewitt, in a state of anti-establishment, here as a deserter with another soldier living an idyllic life with tribal people on a remote island. Caviezel would become best known for playing literal Christ in The Passion of the Christ, plays a Christlike figure, though not as simple as that, as his Witt is of his own place, however it is Christ like in that he seems to be experiencing life beyond what the rest of us are able to see. Say what you want of some of Caviezel's later choices, however he is perfectly cast here, and embodies this role so effortlessly from the first scene we see him as part of this landscape that seems to evoke the beauty of life. Caviezel's performance with minor midwest drawl, though not emphasized, just simply is within this state of mind, something of the joy he expresses as he interacts and almost is one with the natives. Caviezel's specific way though isn't of just simple pleasure of not being at war, it is more fundamental as the man seems at peace beyond just not fighting, rather his soul has found an experience he is able to bond with. Something that ends when an American patrol boat comes across them and takes them into custody.

Leading us to Sean Penn as Sergeant Welsh, a performance that one could describe as the promise I've always seen in Penn, even if he frequently acted in the way of it. As I've made no misconception that Penn is not one of my favorite actors, given he often covers his talent with needless overacting, however within this film this is the purest and most honest performance he's ever given. And we see this in the first of three scenes of philosophical discussion between Welsh and Witt, which I'd say are among my favorite scenes in the film, but nearly every scene of this film leaves me in a bit of awe. Anyway you have contrasting men, and contrasting performances, however connecting all the same which is perhaps where the real power of both performances exist. Penn's performance is without mannerism, without accent, without anything on top of it, he plays Welsh right at you without anything to obscure this man, and is absolutely brilliant in being so direct. Fitting to the direct man that is Welsh, though simple he is not, as we see him breakdown Witt's situation where he's managed to prevent any serious punishment for the man. Something Penn delivers as a blunt stick of a man trying to get through with the rebellion within the squad he "runs". And already there is something special in the chemistry with Caviezel and Penn, because while this film makes no mention of a being a continuation of From Here to Eternity, that sort of history of the man of the army and the man of his own choices, already seems part of them, as the two both seem certain of each other and such a sense of rich history is in every interaction. And that counterpart to Welsh's order comes in Caviezel's performance, which I think shows something more than simply being a Christ-like figure rather he's in this state of transition that he isn't entirely sure of himself. And we see maybe the old Witt, that does seem closer to Clift's Prewitt, as he shrugs off Welsh's "deal", and notes how he can take anything Welsh will give out. There is rebellion in this moment, disregard, and a power to Witt, as he even states that he's "twice the man" Welsh is, you believe him in this almost anarchist strength that reflects their past.

I could try to move on from that scene but there's too much richness in it, as we go beyond the army to the world  as Welsh seemingly tries to get through to Witt, by stating his view of the world, which we have two statements and two layers of Penns' performance. As his first statement that a man is "nothing" and that there "ain't no world but this one", Penn's delivery is a weaponized cynicism, almost gloating in his delivery in a method to have Witt accept the facts as he presents them. Something that Witt immediately counters as "having seen another world", that is one of the most beautiful and poignant line deliveries, as there is such ethereal optimism that Caviezel conveys, however the line itself isn't that of a zealous assurance, rather most men of an honest faith struggling with said faith. As his face so naturally lowers into sadness as he continues the line of he thinks sometimes the other world was merely his imagination. Caviezel effortlessly conveys the conflict of the man's soul of desiring to believe in this better world, but in no way having the certainty of a fanatic. The notion of the "other world" seems to impact Welsh, and Penn's masterful in the way his delivery takes in Witt's words in Welsh's response. He's again coming at him with cynicism, however a personal man to man, even familiar way as he shrugs that Witt's seen something he never will. Penn's performance is the first moment that alludes to far more to Welsh than just being an army pusher, as there's an ounce of regret in his own statement, following by stating a selfish view that in the war basically every man has to look out for himself. Penn's delivery is different from the previous statement on the world, now as this type of caution to Witt rather than a command. Leaving the scene by Welsh noting that he may be the best friend Witt's had. A curious statement given their clash in their scene, and can perhaps be taken as just Welsh towing the army's lines of getting a man in line by being his friend. However, Penn's subtle expressions in the scenes make it anything but as there is far more than that, which I will hold off onto towards the end of this review.

The film progresses into the field of battle, where the film focuses on the lives of so many of the soldiers, where Welsh and Witt occasionally are visited within the chaos of the campaign. Witt and Caviezel's performance are curious within the grand scheme of the film, as much as he's not always on screen, he is a common factor within scenes, and suddenly appears at times, almost as though he is a spirit watching over the men, despite very much being a real man. Curious in an absolutely captivating way as Caviezel's performance expresses this different journey Witt goes through while still being part of the battle, even at one point volunteering again for active duty. He's not suddenly a pacifist within the scheme, but he's also not just one of the men either. He is on his own journey which often is through brief moments as we see Witt within the battle each time, and Caviezel's work is fascinating. Fascinating in a way that if it had not been perfect it would've been terrible, thankfully he's perfect. In that Caviezel's work is always on a different wavelength, and often is a man seemingly between the two worlds he spoke of in mind though perhaps not body. Caviezel's work makes every moment in which Witt appears to have an impact by offering this alternative expression of a soldier that doesn't follow any expected tradition. There are moments he's part of the fight but never do we see aggression. There are moments where he volunteers even, but that doesn't seem like heroism, rather even the way Caviezel delivers these moments is as though Witt must perform the action as though he's called to, rather than commanded to. And what is so fundamentally remarkable within Caviezel's portrayal is that as otherworldly as it is, he presents as this matter of fact truth to Witt. Caviezel crafts this calm yet insight about it, one especially potent moment is during the accidental death of another soldier, and we see Witt watch him die. Caviezel, through the most minute changes, manages to create empathy, sadness, but also a kind of enlightenment as though for a moment he's seeing the man's soul before it leaves this world. Another is when he's observing an enemy soldier, and while we see him take a difficult encampment as a soldier, Caviezel as Witt watches the enemy doesn't see them angrily as killers of his comrades, nor annoyed at needing to deal with them or even the distance necessary to kill. Rather it is with this empathetic calm, and we see him see them as people, only as a man who can tap into this unknown could, and brings such beauty to the moment Witt offers an enemy captive gum, not as a ploy, or even an olive branch, just kindness to his fellow man.

Welsh too is among the men, though certainly differently from Witt, as a man trying to keep them together in their advancement, though Penn carries the expression of the hardened soldier, who is there to survive. As man too who seems perhaps different in his own way, as Penn too is observing constantly in his performance, always present in a way that differs from others as the man observing and trying to understand everyone and everything around him, though if you were to ask Welsh he'd deny such a claim. Welsh being the selfish survivalist, something though he is lying that we alluded to in the first conversation with Witt, but we see more abundantly during the battle when a screaming wounded man is trapped out of cover. Penn's performance is outstanding in the scene as you see him watching as he does, then just have conviction in his eyes as he runs out, as selflessly as you can be as he gets to the man. And Welsh is as empathetic as any man could be as he offers to save the man, and every moment of Penn's performance is wholly in concern for the dying man. Welsh is torn apart as he can only offer the man an overdose of morphine to ease his pain, and Penn is heartbreaking in that moment of realization. When he returns from his selfless mission, Welsh tells the truth, if seemingly towing his callous line, as his Captain wants to cite him for his bravery, however Welsh adamantly refuses any such mentions dismissing medals as property. Penn's performance is incredible because you see the way Welsh instantly hides his empathy in the rejection showing a kind of anger covering it all up, in part in genuine belief for life rather than reward, but also anger of a man who needs to be callous rather than collapse from the emotional turmoil of the moment.

Our second conversation between Welsh and Witt comes in the middle of the battle, where despite the conflict based upon their views, the connection despite the theoretical connection is tremendous. And we see the change in the performances, Penn puts no army bravado, now it is just honesty, even if a bit of personal force behind trying to convince Witt of his single worldview. Penn's subtle shift here though quietly evokes concern within Welsh for Witt, no longer as man just trying to get a soldier to do his duty, now alluding to something more in trying to keep Witt alive. Contrasting that is Caviezel as Witt is further in his journey, no longer needing to argue with Welsh over the notion, rather there is a clarity in his eyes as the man is finding this way to look beyond. The two men, as much as Welsh would never admit, are more connected to what is going on around them then almost anyone else, though Penn's performance is a man of the earth, while Caviezel is the man of the soul as we progress. And we see this as each interacts with other soldiers, Penn is incredible in another scene where a soldier callously dismisses any concern, which Welsh thought he was, and we see in Penn's performance, as he so perfectly articulates Welsh's mindset in this conversation. Because we see the man who thought he was the man he's talking to, numb to the world only caring about himself, however now Welsh explains himself as not there yet based on expectation with an exasperation at first as though he would like to be numb, yet his eyes present a sorrow as he continues to speak, and shows that Welsh will never be that numb, in fact may be incapable of being so despite what he tells others. Penn shows the suffering of a man who wishes he couldn't care, but cares so deeply. Caviezel presents Witt's interactions alternatively as this comforting factor towards almost everyone he comes across, as he walks, nearly glides in his manner that brings this understated warmth of a man who has this peace within himself, even as he exists within a battlefield.

Our third conversation between Witt and Welsh comes during the respite in fighting, and in our most relaxed circumstances between the men. And this scene is as rich as their first together, maybe richer in some ways, as both men are in a different place from the battle and we see them slightly out of the confines of the war, though certainly still aware of it, within the familiarity that Penn and Caviezel deliver in this scene. Each man challenges each other still, though the delivery this time is so different and essential in conveying each man in that different place. Caviezel has that impeccable calm about him as he maneuvers through the lonely hut the two are inhabiting. Contrasting Penn who is exuding the exhaustion of what they have been through so far and brings this casual practicality about it, as man getting straight to it though in what can be described in a friendly way. As he questions Witt if he's "making trouble" by not conforming, Penn speaks not as an attack but as a knowing sort of between friends dig. Something Witt doesn't allow any disconnect in as he speaks with such a powerful yet reserved way of reaching to Welsh with "you do care about me, don't you sergeant? I always thought that you did", is so beautifully spoken as Caviezel brings such a potent sense of love in the words, and breaks down any notion of conflict by pointing out the kindness of Welsh despite how he makes himself out to be a "rock". I adore especially when Witt, with all sincerity from Caviezel, asks if Welsh gets lonely, to which Penn's delivery "only around people" is a bit cynical aside however, in his expression you also see how true it is to Welsh's state as the man who believes he must be hard but is just a soulful deep down. Welsh's followup change of subject "your still believing in the light are you" is this soft challenge, Penn not quite making fun of it, but trying to take away some of the gravity of the idea in his asking at first. However as he continues with "how do you do that, you're a magician to me", Penn so naturally and so honestly shifts with the slight crack in his voice, to see that Welsh does truly want to know. Followed by Caviezel's "I still see a spark in you" with Cavizel somehow so naturally in this place of otherworldly grace as he wholly inspires in the beautiful yet so simple way of expressing it. But even that might not be the most potent moment, as Penn's reaction is heartbreaking as his expression of Welsh is about to break down fully, as though his attempt at a cynical world view is so pained by Witt having this optimism for him. I can praise the actors enough in frankly making for me one of the poignant scenes in any film, and what the scene also shows is getting back to that "best friend" line of the first scene, we know is an absolute truth. Welsh is Witt's best friend, but truer though is Witt is Welsh's best friend, something Welsh knows deep in his heart. And we find this in the final moments of this film, as Witt goes off on another dangerous mission where he makes a heroic sacrifice to draw the Japanese forces away from the rest of his unit, leading him to be surrounded. A scene that works because of Caviezel's performance, where Witt willingly chooses to sacrifice himself and not surrender moving onto another world...or perhaps his imagination, it is for each of us to decide that. But Caviezel's work is astonishing because you see the way, this passage in his eyes, as begins as a man surrounded by enemy soldiers in fear and in adrenaline of the chase, however then Caviezel's expression changes as he so powerfully suggests the man now fully looking beyond his current state and accepting his faith to see another world. Absolutely stellar work, and to compliment that is Penn's heart wrenching final scene as he stands above a buried Witt pondering where his spark is now. Penn's performance is incredibly moving because it isn't the cynical man being proven right or gloating in any way, it is just a friend torn up having lost a man he cared about needing to now continue on this world alone.
Nick Nolte did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying Lt. Col. Tall in The Thin Red Line.

Nolte once again in 98 subverts his usual presence, while bringing that presence here to the role of the Army colonel leading the attack on Guadalcanal. A role that in most films would be that of the internal villain pushing the army in the wrong ways and the wrong direction, though while his actions still can be described as villainous, the character of Col. Tall isn't so simple. Part of that is the brilliant way he is introduced as he's receiving his instructions from his superior officer, very much prodding him for success in the upcoming battle, while also essentially noting that the Colonel is a bit behind for his age in terms of advancement in the military. Which already is such a different side to Nolte already as he's very much the submissive in this conversation, which is particularly remarkable when John Travolta is playing the superior officer. Nolte eagerly nodding along to every suggestion, and even threat that he best accomplish what he is being tasked with, and such subtle sense in his work of the glint of fear of the task of a man knowing he will stay exactly where he's been if he doesn't do what the general is asking him to do. But there's more within Malick's genius choice to let us in on the thoughts of the "villain" , thoughts that are filled with such vulnerability, delivered so differently by Nolte than the rest of his performance, as his voice is of an exhausted and sad man. There's no pride in his voice in his contemplation, in his choices to try to fulfill this ambition, it is rather this near heartbreak of an acceptance of a man pushing himself to do what he knows isn't right to do what he thinks he must. As context that instantly prevents Tall from being a standard army brass character, and becoming so much more as the film progresses.

Like Welsh and Witt, Tall too has a counterpart, though very different here in Captain Staros (Elias Koteas), the man leading the direct assault of Tall's campaign. The first instance in which Tall and Staros come into conflict is when the progression of the attack has stalled due to a seemingly impenetrable, from a direct attack, machine gun nest. Nolte's performance is as the villain as he brings such a vicious bluster as he comes in strong and hard, demanding that Staros attack regardless of the extremely likely casualties. Nolte brings this ferocity of something more than just wanting to progress in this battle, but a man whose whole life's purpose is reliant on this attack. Nolte's is great because he doesn't play this one note, despite the fact that Tall is presenting himself to Staros in trying to force the attack, as even the way Nolte wipes his head in the argument that signals a bit of the truth behind the presentation. Staros, who empathizes with his men above all else, refuses directly against orders. Though they are talking over the phone, each performance works against the other so powerfully as Koteas brings this calm against Tall's raging to try to get it, but again Nolte in just a subtle moment shows the weakness in this ferocity. Nolte presents a man who is pushing forth this anger as his way of believing he must. Nolte portrays the character not as a man who is as just as he is, but a man believing he must be something more than who he might actually be.

We see this as he gets towards the front, and Nolte's physicality is just pitch perfect as we see, as his narration also denotes a man very much "playing a part" in his far more somber, far more naturally human delivery within the man's mind. Nolte walks up to the front line with all this swagger, essentially presenting himself as the "ideal" commanding officer as he comes into the front line with two methods in his arsenal. That is more rage with Staros as the dog barking his orders as the tough commander and the other as the inspiring of his troops. There's a great brief moment as he walks through with a stick, tapping it on a soldier and "come on son" as Nolte performs it as though Tall is ready to be photographed for a propaganda poster encouraging men to face their enemy as brave soldiers. Nolte continues this as Tall states his belief that this battle could be the turning point of the war and argues with Staros over what it will take. Nolte is fantastic in the way he nearly rambles on about the potential of the battle with this specific enthusiasm of the man's ambition but also this way he delivers the callousness of which Tall prods Staros about sacrificing his men. Nolte prods with every question presenting as this attempted simplification of trying to avoid really dealing with the idea, rather than making it seem some absurdity that his men won't die. My favorite moment of the scene is after he's done, where Staros very quietly gives a passive "you might be right", Nolte brings vulnerability within the attempted dominating way of speechifying. His "speech" being that Staros should just assume Tall is right, although an attempt at domination, Nolte brings just the right combination between the force the man wants to push but in his eyes not nearly the certainty to truly command the way he would wish.

After the hill is taken, Nolte is just outstanding in the amount of jubilation he brings in just walking it as though he has made the achievement with no sense of the life lossed, just the joy of what "he" has accomplished. When one of his soldiers John (John Cusack), who made the brave move against the hill makes a few requests, Nolte is so good in the way he fluctuates on so many levels of Tall in the scene. When John simply asks for a way, Nolte shows this sort of built in instinct in playing the part of the tough colonel, "Forget the way" with a callous disregard for the health of the very men that have accomplished his "dream" so far. Nolte's amazing the way he shows it though, as the way the man beneath that catches himself when he acknowledges who he is talking to, and suddenly his voice becomes almost whisper quiet, much more human, as he offers some weak attempts at assurances. Nolte moving between the bark and the meek whimper between the two in his argument. As John doesn't relent, Nolte is mesmerizing as he goes off in the very truth of Tall in speaking about what this truly represents to his whole life in the army, there is a thrill in the idea as he sings the possibilities, but in this same mania there is such pontent, and deep seeded frustrations of an older man left behind within his career. Nolte excels in showing all of that vulnerability in the man, trying to present himself as anything but. Within it the true motivation of the man. My favorite moment of the great scene for Nolte is right at the end though where with genuine pride in Nolte's voice Tall thinks of John as a son to him, however again it continues as he notes that his actual son is a bait salesman. Nolte brings so much in this one line, in the way he speaks it so regretfully, and in his eyes you see a man so lost in his life, with this war, in his mind, being the only solution to give it meaning.

The conflict between Staros and tall culminates as Tall relieves Staros of his command. A great scene for both actors because of the disconnect both articulate so beautifully. Koteas so beautifully shows the man who cares about every one of his men, where Nolte comes in representing the "need" for the push for the war. Nolte's performance so flawlessly creates this very difficult idea of a man selling a false bag of goods, who knows it, but isn't *quite* a con man either. Nolte's great in the way he speaks every word of "firing" Staros as not being "tough enough", as he brings this kind of casual disregard as though he wasn't meeting a work quota, rather than was vouching for the lives of human beings. Tall this time stays steadfast, however Nolte still shows that he must sell his own certainty, to himself in a way, as he speaks about the cruelty of the jungle as a talking point, then segues towards this almost friendly way of softening through a "severance package" of military decorations. When Staros asks "why" Nolte is tremendous in the way he wraps this insecurity of the man, by again first just saying for his wounds as though he's doing it as a favor, but as the question needles at him, that bluster comes out again of a man covering up so much to convince himself what he is doing is right. The decision is followed by orders, where we get a final standout moment for Nolte as he looks on silently alone looking at the corpse of dead men. Nolte is outstanding in Tall seeing the dead men he sacrificed, and that loss finally registering on his face so powerfully in his performance. So powerful because we see the man stripped of all his ambition, all of his reasoning, just looking at the result, and Nolte conveys this quiet internal revelation of maybe the better man that was within, which he hid away for the sake of war. Nolte delivering yet another truly great performance in this film, creating such a dynamic and human portrait that creates such tremendous depth to the type of role that usually is one note. Nolte gives his greatest turn by not rejecting the note, rather showing the very real person who has compromised himself to craft that "note". 

62 comments:

Matt Mustin said...

Yup, they're all amazing, especially Nolte, who would be my win for the year.

Anonymous said...

After reading this great post, it only made me more excited for the year 1967 when Louis can see Japan’s Longest Day. Surely someone will be able to take Arkin’s win in supporting.

Anonymous said...

Louis: since you mentioned Nolte, has Coburn's performance in Affliction been upgraded or hasn't changed at all?

Luke Higham said...

Penn at long last gets a five and I'm pleased for Nolte as well.

Aharkin said...

I'm confused. Is Caviezel's performance in The Thin Red Line also a 5 like the other two?

Tony Kim said...

Aharkin: Yes, I believe so.

Jonathan Williams said...

Any other cast upgrades.

Tony Kim said...

So Sutherland is being saved for the grand finale, huh? Once again, I can't get over how crazy the timing is of him getting reviewed so soon after his passing.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

I was also hoping for a short review of Woody Harrelson, but well, what are you gonna do. I agree with Matt in that out of everybody Nolte left the biggest impact on me.

Luke Higham said...

Tony: David Warner was in a similar situation to this 2 years ago.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

I've also watched Deadpool & Wolverine. Dug the humor, the dynamic between the two titular characters and their story arcs, but it suffers a bit from factors like a middling, "hey let's destroy the world" villain and fanservice, which has become really tiresome since NWH. Still I rather enjoyed the whole thing.

Reynolds-4.5
Jackman-4.5
Corrin-3.5
Baccarin-3
Delaney-3
Uggams-3
Macfayden-2.5/3 (you know, I'd have preferred a straight man instead of a goodball in an already goofy film)


SPOILER ALERT:

Evans-3
Stanford-2/2.5
Favreau, Keen, Garner and Snipes-2.5
Tatum-3

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Fantastic performances, all of them. While my favorite is probably Koteas, I really could rank them any way and still not be certain about it.

Excellent reviews as always, Louis. Although I knew about the film being adapted from Jones's novel, I'm just now realizing the genius of Witt/Welsh being continuations of the duo from From Here to Eternity. Could I have your thoughts on Malick's direction?

Louis Morgan said...

Deadpool & Wolverine if taken mainly as a gag and cameo fest, and most cameos are gags in some way, then as such I'd say enough worked for me to not dislike the film...though Levy definitely doesn't always have the best comedic timing. If taken as an actual story...leaves much to be desired. The plot feels like chewing gum used to hold together a steel tower, as it feels aggressively cynical with how "go to point A to B to C" every development is (not quite Rise of Skywalker bad, but far too close to that than is comfortable), and frankly feels lazy with just how underdeveloped the plot is. Speaking of underdeveloped, the villains, and the cameo character leave MUCH to be desired, and again are there for very basic needs, rather than feeling like characters in their own right. I feel the one cameo that had a whole lot of greater dramatic potential felt particularly wasted. Deadpool and Wolverine are the only genuine characters here, and even then their stories feel contrived, Wolverine's is a repeat of things better done in Logan, and Deadpool is dealing with a case of sequelitis where a relationship has a problem, not from natural progression from the former film, but because we need an artificial conflict to overcome. THANKFULLY, Reynolds and Jackman do a lot of heavy lifting to sell their less than stellar material and do their best to carry the film through its VERY shaky path. Again, I was entertained enough not to hate it, but to say it wears its flaws on its sleeve, is an understatement. 

Reynolds - 4
Jackman - 4
Corrin - 3
Delaney - 3
Macfadyen - 3
Uggams - 3
Baccarin - 2.5

"Guest Stars" range from 2.5 to 3.

Tim said...

i always knew that Penn would become a 5 for this

your thoughts on this films Editing and Sound Mixing?

Tim said...

honestly, i don't even want to see Deadpool & Wolverine. After Hugh Jackman got the absolutely perfect ending for his character and said he was completely 100% done with Wolverine but then 7 years later says "I don't care. Money!", that just pushes me off

Anonymous said...

Louis: thoughts on the trailer for The Substance?

Mitchell Murray said...

I've been silent on the matter, but Tim basically summed up my thoughts completely on "Deadpool & Wolverine".

Also, I'm going to be THAT guy right now....Jackman is 55. The man has got to cut back on the roids, or it's going to be very detrimental to his health.

Kevin said...

Louis, any upgrades/changes to the ratings/thoughts for the rest of the cast?

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Could you check out Ring before you finish.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

No.

Jonathan:

Chaplin, Mihok, Cusack all up to 4's. And Clooney up to a 3, which I guess since I knew he was coming I didn't find him distracting, but also he does do a fine job of establishing the way his character is definitely different from Staros though not necessarily in a terrible way.

Tahmeed:

Thanks.

Malick's direction is one of those achievements in film that is one of a kind pinnacle in my mind, of Malick entirely achieving his specific style. As Badlands is also a masterpiece in my mind, however a masterpiece with a more traditional form, whereas The Thin Red Line is pure Malickian and a filmmaker giving into their choices with theoretical dangerous abandon but in it is one of those instances where every idiosyncratic choice is a work of genius. As the first being his choice to not include Thornton's narration like his previous two films, and instead not include traditional narration at all instead giving that consciousness of men. A risky but absolutely genius choice throughout particularly in the way each man is separate but the way the thoughts compare at times you can sense this universal connection. While also offering the insight into character some ways maybe expected but some so truly unexpected such as how it grants such an alternative insight into Tall immediately. Then the actual depiction of war which is the only film that depicts quite this way, and it is a work of genius to create a beautiful war film, not by glorification, rather by contrasting it with the shared humanity we all may have that unfortunately becomes disconnected. Malick in every moment places us not just in the sense of place but the sense of existence. The opening is as tangible in the idyllic peace in Witt's experience in the village, as is the brutality of battle. And I think the foolish criticism that the film is simple, that nature is beautiful, war is ugly, is aggressively simplistic but also wrong. Nature can be beautiful, but Malick more so shows that nature just goes on and is a constant, whether or not humans are doing their thing. And there are moments where that is something beautiful, like the shot where the light comes across the field just before a bloody attack, but also just a soldier moving towards a potential battle petrified staring down a Cobra. The use of score, with also the chants, is some of the greatest scoring to begin with but the precise implementation of Malick is the genius as again it reinforces states of mind and this experience that we are witnessing war as it is, but also at a spiritual level. And why this is Malick's greatest film in my mind, is his choices don't diminish traditional filmmaking needlessly, or indulge themselves, they only amplify. And at least part of the key of this, is that Malick recognizes the power of performance here, granting the moments to his actors, allowing that drama to unfold to be compelling in the contrasts of men, even as he also is showing us this different kind of tapestry. And really any sequence you can note basically several different dynamic, sometimes unexpected, big swing choices that pay off, as the asides here never feel as such, they are building the whole which is to experience war as a poem. And within that, not so simple as the moments of men dying, despite Malick avoiding blood for the most part, are as devastating as anything in Saving Private Ryan, on an emotional level and doesn't shy away from that pervasive pain. Honestly I'd say after watching this time, I'd probably put Malick's work as one of the 10 greatest directorial achievements (please no one ask for the other 9 at this time), as his achievement is specific to film, and would have only been achieved by film in this way.

Louis Morgan said...

Tim:

The editing is an essential facet of the genius of the film, a film that cut out scenes that are better than most scenes from other films, as the Rourke scene, though obviously unfinished, is extraordinary with what is there, and the Chaplin/Clooney scene, though I understand why it was deleted, is also great. But perhaps it was needed to create this film's very specific rhythm that is of its own thing, and so essential in maneuvering between not only characters, but feelings, setting, thoughts and so much more. There isn't a moment where there's a bump or a hiccup in the editing, it just is this experience and taking you within its grace for the expansive runtime. A runtime, that I will say despite its technically gradual pace, I never for a second feel it, and am just absorbed within it the entire time.

The sound mixing is essential in some ways because of the inclusion of the sounds of nature, particularly that long grass that grants this visceral sense of place, but of course mixed in with the sounds of war. But the use of the narration with the score is such an elegant balance here that is part of the masterful way the film brings you into its specific state of mind and holds you there. As the mixing is weaved in a way that just flows despite how many different settings, and even styles of sound we get, as one scene it can be purely natural, another score dominate, another voice dominant, yet never is there a break in any moment of it.

Anonymous:

Well that certainly is a series of captivating, colorful and demented images. Looking forward to seeing it, despite having no idea what's going on, and having no desire to know before I see the film.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Thoughts on these episodes?

B:TAS - Beware the Gray Ghost; Trial
S:TAS - World's Finest

Tim said...

is there even a slight chance left for Gerard Depardieu to go up a bit for Cyrano de Bergerac?

Mitchell Murray said...

Apparently, Paul Schrader recently likened Glen Powell to a modern day Paul Newman.

Thoughts?

The one thing I'd mention is that by Powell's current age (35), Newman had "Somebody Up There Likes Me" and "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof". That is to say, while his talent was evident from the start, Newman's best work came after those two films. Powell might follow that same path soon enough, particularly since Newman had "The Hustler" and "Hud" before he turned 40.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Aside from Clift and Lancaster as Witt and Welsh, the rest of your cast for a 50's Thin Red Line? I was thinking of perhaps Sterling Hayden as Tall.

Shaggy Rogers said...

Hey guys
Update on my Top 10 prediction of Louis' supporting actor in 1998:
1. Nick Nolte
2. Jim Caviezel
3. Elias Koteas
4. Billy Bob Thornton
5. John Goodman
6. Sean Penn
7. Donald Sutherland
8. Thomas Bo Larsen
9. Jeremy Davies
10. Tom Wilkinson

Louis Morgan said...

Tony:

Beware the Grey Ghost is a great episode, one of the best animation wise, PERFECT use of Adam West who is actually used for gravitas and drama than the joke, and is quite impressive in his work, while being honestly moving in playing the pathos of the forgotten "hero". However then it is genuinely moving in portraying so earnestly Batman Fandom and how it relates to himself, naturally progressing in giving meaning to the old actor's life after all. And the mystery does its job, with the villain far from a classic one, but he serves his purpose, with the toy bombs being a great visual.

The trial is a great episode that has all the fun you'd want in having the villains play off each other, with an excellent framing device in the anti-Batman prosecutor learning about the villains first hand in the crazy situation. Although has a natural tension, wonderfully plays the comedy often based on previous episodes, particularly Harley influencing the "judge", Two-Face and Ivy's interactions, Mad Hatter incriminating himself and the result of the Trial is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT.

Haven't seen it all that recently, but I recall it being entertaining particularly Batman and Superman playing off each other. Though we do have to contend with the unfortunate Joker design (I mean really why did they do that?) and I wouldn't say plot wise it is great, though the Joker and Lex interacting is fun particularly their conversation as Harley and Mercy fight each other.

Tim:

Well I've only seen it the one time so I can't say no.

Mitchell:

I don't see it yet, as almost all of Powell's work has been charisma based so far. Which has shown some variation on between overt confidence of Twisters/Hitman and a more hapless variation in Everybody Wants Some (still his best work). He definitely has potential in that, but his only really harder dramatic material I've seen from him is in the end scenes of Devotion, which he delivered on though the rest of that performance was a little forgettable. I think he could have more in him, but just based on what we've seen so far, he's far from The Hustler or especially something like Hud. Maybe he can do it, but he doesn't have the "game tape" at this point.

Tahmeed:

I believe my choice for Tall for a 60's one was in fact Hayden, though I think you need to go slightly older as his age is a pivotal part of the character, therefore I'd go James Cagney for 50's.

Fife: Robert Vaughn
Bell: Anthony Perkins
Bosche: Charlton Heston
Gaff: Paul Newman
Keck: Jason Robards
Staros: Frank Overton
Doll: Dennis Hopper
Storm: George Reeves
McCron: Robert Ryan

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: I know you don't like ranking directorial or acting moments anymore, but could I have an approximate, unranked list of some of your favorite bits of direction by Malick?

Calvin Law said...

Louis: your thoughts on the Chaplin/Clooney scene? I actually went ahead and checked that scene out for the first time when you mentioned it and I agree, it's a great scene though wouldn't have fit in the final film.

8000S said...

Louis: What do you think of the idea of a movie about the 1961 military coup in South Korea that overthrew a democratically elected government? I mean, there was a recent movie that talked about President Park's assassination in 1979, so why not one about the coup that he led?

Looking at photos of the men, who would you cast in these roles?

Major General Park Chung Hee
Lieutenant Colonel Kim Jong-pil
President Yun Po-sun
Prime Minister Chang Myon

Louis Morgan said...

Tahmeed:

"Playing" in the hideout - Badlands
Farmhouse shooting - Badlands
Final shootout - Badlands
The meeting - Badlands
Locust - Days of Heaven
Train - Days of Heaven
Dancing - Days of Heaven
Staros's prayer - The Thin Red Line
Swimming with the Natives - The Thin Red Line
The Sun in the field - The Thin Red Line
Dear John - The Thin Red Line
Attack on the Hill Mission - The Thin Red Line
Journey to the Line - The Thin Red Line
Welsh and Witt in the hut - The Thin Red Line (though shot to the roof, perfection)
"I killed a man" - The Thin Red Line
Whyte's death - The Thin Red Line
Witt's Death - The Thin Red Line
Leaving the island - The Thin Red Line
I mean really every scene - The Thin Red Line
Bliss with the Tribe - The New World
First encounter with Natives - The New World
Native in the Colonial Camp - The New World
Fight Practice - The Tree of Life
Dinner - The Tree of Life
Creation - The Tree of Life
The Beach - The Tree of Life

Calvin:

Indeed it wouldn't have fit, as Witt's death really is the appropriate climax with everything sort of settling down as attached to that in some way, where this wouldn't have been. Additionally leaving Bell with just his "Dear John" letter completely works as an ending moment for the major thread of his character. But, Clooney is terrific in the scene in going further in establishing his Bosche as definitely different from Staros, but also caring in his own more commanding way, of wholly backing up Bell and offering accommodation for Bell both as a man and a soldier. As we see his "come to me" wasn't just lip service, Bosche clearly also cares about his men. And Chaplin's great in showing Bell taking all this in in his state of uncertainty, with Bosche allowing him time and showing the empathy Bosche does have for him. I love how the scene shows while Bell in the end was not truly appreciated by his wife, despite his steadfast devotion to her, in this scene you see the army, in the form of Bosche very much sees his value and appreciates him. Although, again it should've been cut for the overall flow of the film, it is just a fantastic scene in itself and offering a slightly more comforting end for Bell's story.

Louis Morgan said...

8000's:

Korea certainly has a dramatic history to utilize.

I mean you could keep Lee Sung-min as Park, but if it's a staring role than perhaps Park Hae-il.

Gong Yoo as Kim Jong-pil
Song Kang-ho as President Yun
Choi Min-sik as Chang Myon

Robert MacFarlane said...

It does dawn on me that Malick seems to be able have actors like Penn and Pitt let go of their inhibitions and give in to a lived-in style neither are usually accustomed to. Any actors or actresses you would like to see adjust to his style?

Matt Mustin said...

Robert: In the sense that you're talking about, Tom Hardy.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Could I have your thoughts on these two original songs from films?

"Tere Bina" from Guru - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej598BYJw2A&ab_channel=SeshadriN (one of my favorite AR Rahman tracks)

"Sarang Hae Yo" from A Millionaire's First Love - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6Gz3n1lxX8&ab_channel=krishnakisku (I might have some explaining to do as to why it might sound a little familiar)

Jonathan Williams said...

Louis: What did you think of RDJ returning to the MCU as Doctor Doom.

Perfectionist said...

Louis: so you came around Clooney's cameo in The Thin Red Line??? That's good, in your original thoughts you were a bit harsh on him.

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Jonathan: That may be the most desperate move in the franchise's history.

Mitchell Murray said...

Jonathan: Even with his "Oppenheimer" performance, I can think of several names to pick for Doom before Downey.

Luke Higham said...

With that casting choice, Marvel Studio's reputation is firmly in the gutter for me.

A said...

If that's not an uninspired casting choice…

Tim said...

wait, that's legit? i thought that was a fucking joke!

Bryan L. said...

Tim: I wish it was…

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

"Let's hire our top star again as another major character to save our near-dilapidated product, I'm absolutely sure everybody will be none the wiser..."

Louis Morgan said...

Robert:

Well on that point, could be promising for Rylance as Satan in The Way of the Wind, which I hope is a full return to form for Malick....please no fish eyed lenses...after the partial one that was A Hidden Life.

Otherwise:

John Malkovich
Christoph Waltz
Mark Ruffalo
Anne Hathaway
Helena Bonham Carter

Jonathan Williams:

Baffling (I too thought it might've been a joke or at least a misreported headline), that, and even the return of the Russos reminds me of J.J.. Abrams coming back for the Rise of Skywalker, with Downey feeling a little bit like The Palpatine coming back. I HOPE it's better than that, but it reeks of the same type of extremely sloppy course correction and only furthers the idea that the MCU, as an extended universe, probably should've ended with Endgame given they went right back to "what worked last time" recycling bin. The idea that they couldn't get someone new for Doom just feels ridiculous, who by the way is FAR too old to be a contemporary of Pedro Pascal. Unlike say Alexander Skarsgard, Cillian Murphy, Colin Farrell, Joaquin Phoenix, Andrew Scott, Michael Fassbender, Paddy Considine Matthias Scheonaerts, or Glenn Howerton (I mean just imagine his rants on the *slights* that Reed has placed upon him).

Maybe they have a genius plan that will make it all make sense, but I am VERY doubtful.

Lucas Saavedra said...

Louis: what are your thoughts on Tara Strong in Loki?

Matt Mustin said...

Glenn Howerton as Doom would've been inspired.

Mitchell Murray said...

Fassbender, Scott or Murphy I could see working for Doom very well.

You essentially need someone who can sell gravitas, arrogance and intelligence. Downey has the latter two, but not in the same mold as Doom. Age wouldn't be a major factor, per say, since Doom is supposed to be very seasoned, but his typical costume does conceal his face/body. I would also say since Doom is written as the ruler of Latveria (fictional country in Eastern Europe), having someone who either has a non-American accent or can do a non-American accent would fit.

I would personally throw in Mads Mikkelson into the mix, but given how he was used in "Doctor Strange", I doubt Marvel would exploit his full potential this time.

Bryan L. said...

Damn, Skarsgaard in Succession mode (just more heightened) would’ve been something special. Schoenaerts also could be great, and it’d help him finally get that legitimate film breakout. Howerton in Blackberry proved that he’s always had the juice for film, though yeah, him rambling about Reed sounds like a hoot.

Instead…*cut to Brinks truck pulling up to RDJs house*

Robert MacFarlane said...

I always said Doom needs to be played by a Shakespearean scenery chewer. Let subtlety rot, I want Raul-in-Street-Fighter levels of hand gestures and grandiose deliveries. My ideal choice would have been Timothy Dalton a few years before Hot Fuzz.

It is really fucking weird how major studios are now 0 for 3 in making Doom an Eastern European dictator. Like, you'd think that would be easy enough to just roll with. But I shouldn't be surprised. Feige doesn't do campy. The coward.

Tony Kim said...

Jonathan: Lazy, stupid, cynical, and almost laughably desperate.

Mitchell Murray said...

Robert's right on the money. Doom is a character that's equal parts capable and absurd. A romani turned dictator, a man who blends science and magic. He looks like an alternate universe Darth Vader, with a suit that contains parts of the cross Jesus was crucified on (I'm not making this up). He believes wholeheartedly in conquering the world, because the Wakandan panther god told him that is the best possible reality for the planet. He has technology that can siphon power from The Silver Surfer, Galactus and the Beyonder. He's fought with heavy hitters like Thor, Hulk and the Sentry. He's a contender for Sorcerer Supreme. Oh, and apparently he hates squirrels, and once took up the role of Iron Man...because Comics.

ALL OF THIS...and yet his live action portrayals turn him into a complete joke.

Mitchell Murray said...

Similar note...don't know if anyone's brought up "Captain America: Brave New World" yet, but I'm decidely "meh" on the trailer. I have little reason to think it'll be better than "Winter Soldier", or even "Falcon & the Winter Soldier". Also, there's no real incentive to bring Red Hulk into a Falcon story, other than "look at this new character we're bringing in".

8000S said...

Raul Julia's Bison and Frank Langella's Skeletor acted more like Dr. Doom than any live-action Dr. Doom.

Tim said...

Mitchell: a european with gravitas, arrogance and intelligence? Then why not pick somebody who has worked with Pedro Pascal before? That would make their chemistry easy.

Nicolaj Costa-Waldau

Mitchell Murray said...

Tim: Works for me.

Louis Morgan said...

Tahmeed:

A very pleasant song to be sure, with the gentle voices just kind of leading into an easy going rhythm as it gets into the actual verses, and returns each time. Creating this sort of natural pleasant sort of ease about the romantic, as it balances that gradual rhythm with some more intensity with the female voice though one that naturally acts as a punctuation.

Again a very pleasant relaxed song, with the percussion theoretically being the most intense element and even that is very soft in creating its gradual rhythm. Something behind just the very sincere and sweet melody, that has a nice wavering build within the vocals, with each relatively short verse, that crafts this elegant and warming ease about it.

Lucas:

Her vocal performance is quite effective in bringing the aggressively cheery AI helper than slowly twisting it become more and more nefarious while keeping that chippy manner. It's a shame how she is defeated was so anticlimactic, as her vocal work was worthy of becoming the main villain with how she delivered the sinister ease in the character's evil.

Tony Kim said...

Louis: Thoughts on these episodes?

The Twilight Zone - Where Is Everybody?
The Simpsons - Blood Feud
B:TAS - Perchance to Dream

Louis Morgan said...

Tony:

Where Is Everybody is an impressive debut episode benefitting from a Bernard Herrmann score and cinematography by Joseph La Shelle. An episode built on the atmosphere of loneliness that is pervasive through that cinematography and that score, along with Earl Holliman's good central performance. This sort of plot would eventually be somewhat overused in the series, where it became "waiting for the twist" however this one works at that personal level, on that visceral level, and even the twist entirely works without being a simple let down.

Blood Feud is a good episode where you see them getting up a bit closer to the comedic rhythm that would define the show though it isn't quite there. Again a more realistic scenario in parts in the blood transfusion and just Homer trying to get ahead as an employee. Even Smithers's refusal to heed Burns's demand is played more dramatically than comedically, though the thug's reactions throughout are funny in the scene. Most of the comedy just is in how things spiral out of control, with some great gags in the "What's your first name Mr. Burns?" "I Don't Know" or the name of Burns's book, or pointing out the lack of a real lesson at the end of the episode. The balance isn't ideal yet, but it gets closer.

Perchance to Dream is a mostly great episode with a bit of a let down simplistic ending, its logical but the length dictates that it is resolves too easily and too conveniently (as why wouldn't Mad Hatter uncover Bruce's face?). Still even with that limitation it is remarkable in creating the perfect version of Bruce's life then slowly peeling it away as false in little ways until the final confrontation where the one in the tower works, more so than the awoken finale.

Louis Morgan said...

House of the Dragon I thought was a terrific episode, although I think in a way it shows the weaknesses of last episode all the more, as we definitely could've gotten to Daemon's scene sooner, with this behind the only appearance of a certain "ghost" that we needed, could've gotten to the dragon seeds sooner, could've even gotten to Alicent's self-exile faster, and the fact that the Mysaria scene last episode had no impact this episode makes me have even greater doubts about the inclusion of that moment. Thankfully though, everything now here was terrific, from the Daemon scene in dealing with the new Tully where he had to fulfill a different role, a meeker man then with his ghost, this time the Dragon test was far more visceral and tense, and even Alicent's "wasting time" scene I thought effectively realized the emotional place of the character that it didn't feel like wasting time. MVP D'Arcy, though really liked Tom Bennett's and Archie Barnes's performances as well.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the direction and screenplay of In the company of men

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Thought both of the last two HOTD episodes were great, and I think for the most part, unlike season 3 of The Bear, the gradual pace has been much more to the show's benefit than detriment. Will concur on Needham being MVP for Episode 6, and D'Arcy giving another brilliant performance in Episode 7.