Monday, 29 August 2016

Alternate Best Supporting Actor 2011

And the Nominees Were Not:

Brian Cox in Coriolanus

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau in Headhunters

Patton Oswalt in Young Adult

Tom Hiddleston in Thor

Sam Worthington in The Debt

84 comments:

Robert MacFarlane said...

1. Coster-Waldau
2. Cox
3. Worthington
4. Hiddleston
5. Oswalt

Robert MacFarlane said...

Man, Nicolaj could play Aaron Eckhart's brother.

Matt Mustin said...

1. Cox
2. Worthington
3. Coster-Waldau
4. Hiddleston
5. Oswalt

Matt Mustin said...

I will say I've only seen two of these performances (Coster-Waldau and Hiddleston) and they're both good.

Calvin Law said...

I kinda hope the top 5 stays as it is (though I'm always on the outlook for more strong supporting performances). I've seen Oswalt, Cox and Hiddleston and I really liked them all.

1. Cox
2. Worthington
3. Hiddleston
4. Coster-Waldau
5. Oswalt

The bottom two will probably come to bite me in the back.

Matt Mustin said...

Louis: You're a fan of Breaking Bad, so I think I know what your answer will be but do you think the scene where Walt breaks down in the crawl space is as amazing as I do? That laugh Cranston does chills me to the bone.

Calvin Law said...

Louis: Who would you have cast instead of Eli Roth for Inglorious Basterds? I personally don't mind him as I thought QT made a lot out of the subversive nature of the 'Bear Jew', but I was thinking someone like Liev Schreiber would've been great.

Giuseppe Fadda said...

1. Cox
2. Worthington
3. Coster-Waldau
4. Hiddleston
5. Oswalt

I liked Hiddleston and I thought he made Loki an effective and three-dimensional villain (although I don't think I'd give him more than a 4) and I wasn't very impressed by Cox but I probably should rewatch the movie.

94dfk1 said...

My Snowpiercer rankings. It's been a while since I've seen it though:
Evans: 4.5
Harris: 4.5
Swinton: 4
Bell: 3.5
Spencer: 3.5
Bremner: 3
Hurt: 3

RIP Gene Wilder

Speaking of actors 30-45, here are some roles I think Heath Ledger would've been perfect in if he was still alive:

2009 - The Queen's Gambit (His directorial debut and he would've had a supporting role)

2010 - Inception (Arthur or maybe even Dom Cobb)

2012 - The Dark Knight Rises (Joker, obviously)

2013 - The Place Beyond The Pines (Avery Cross)

2013 - Rush (James Hunt)

2014 - Mad Max: Fury Road (Max Rockatansky. Who knows? It could've come out earlier with him.)

2015 - The Revenant (John Fitzgerald)

Calvin Law said...

I think Ledger would've been a great Max, and that's from someone who liked Hardy a great deal. I actually could imagine him more as Hugh Glass though, that'd have been something interesting to see. I might have also liked to have seen him in Cloud Atlas considering how much range he had that was never properly realized, or maybe even a comedic role (Doc Sportello, perhaps).

Matt Mustin said...

He was very funny A Knight's Tale, and actually his delivery of every "funny" line that the Joker had to offer was flawless, so he clearly had chops for comedy. God, he was talented.

Calvin Law said...

He was extremely funny in A Knight's Tale. That's the sort of performance I've really grown to appreciate over time.

Luke Higham said...

1. Cox
2. Coster-Waldau
3. Hiddleston
4. Worthington
5. Oswalt

Louis: Your thoughts on:
Tilda Swinton and Ezra Miller in We Need To Talk About Kevin
Kristen Wiig in Bridesmaids
Michelle Yeoh in The Lady

Varun Neermul said...

Just watched the Night Manage and I loved it.

Hiddleston: 5

Hugh Laurie: 5 (Mvp

Debicki: 4.5

Colman: 5

Hollander: 4.5

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

1. Cox
2. Coster-Waldau
3. Hiddleston
4. Worthington
5. Oswalt
Louis: Your top 10 favorite male leading and supporting performances from the 90s.

Calvin Law said...

Varun: Glad you loved it. I think Laurie's my MVP too, though Colman comes close (her monologue about why she's so determined to nab Roper was brilliant). I'd say the ensemble on the whole was extremely good but if I had to rank,

1. Laurie (5)
2. Colman (5)
3. Huddleston (5, best I've seen of him yet)
4. Debicki (5)
5. Hollander (4.5 and I thought he was exceptionally memorable, if he'd lasted longer I'd go higher)

Maciej said...

1.Cox
2.Coster-Waldau
3.Hiddelston
4.Oswalt
5.Worthington

Varun Neermul said...

Could everyone who has seen the show give their top 5 south park episodes, i do believe the show is one of the greatest sources of social commentary available today.

Varun Neermul said...

My 5 favorite South Park episodes are

1.Yout Getting Old and Assburgers (I consider this to be one episode)
2.Black Friday Trilogy
3.Butt Out
4.With Apologies To Jesse Jackson
5.Medicianal Fried Chicken

Robert MacFarlane said...

Ranking the cast of the Night Manager, I'd go: Colman (easy MVP) > Hiddleston > Laurie > Debicki >>>>>>> Hollander (uncharacteristically terrible).

Robert MacFarlane said...

Also, I don't have a favorite South Park episode since I loathe the show and always thought it sucked.

Calvin Law said...

Robert: What did you dislike about Hollander? I guess I can see how one might dislike his approach but I thought it worked.

As for South Park I've actually never seen a single episode, but I've watched the film and found it just okay. I quite enjoyed Team America though.

Robert MacFarlane said...

I found Hollander completely overwrought from beginning to end, and I've liked him in everything else I've seen him in.

Calvin Law said...

Fair enough, he was quite broad in comparison to say, Colman and Laurie, who took far more naturalistic approaches to their characters than I expected. I like him a lot in general too. In fact, I thought he was a actually a pretty decent villain in the last two Pirates films (I'm ignoring On Stranger Tides and as an apologist for aspects of Dead Man's Chest and At World's End). Very fun in Hanna and P+P too.

What are your thoughts on the rest of the cast? Hiddleston and Colman I thought were actually the most consistently excellent, I took a while to get used to Laurie but he ended up being amazing, and Debicki made a lot out of her actually pretty standard sort of role.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Varun: My top 5 South Park episodes.

1. Child Abduction is Not Funny
2. Scott Tenorman Must Die
3. Woodland Critters Christmas
4. Good Times with Weapons
5. The Return of the Fellowship of the Ring to the Two Towers
I am quite biased towards the show's first ten seasons, even if some of the later episodes (like the Black Friday Trilogy or You're Getting Old) are excellent.

94dfk1 said...

Calvin: Oh man, he would've been perfect in Cloud Atlas instead of Tom Hanks, who is the only thing I don't really like about the film (and I'm a big fan of his). I think producers would've considered him if he was still alive.

That's funny; I also considered him for Inherent Vice and he would've killed that role. However, Joaquin Phoenix and PTA loved working with each other on The Master, so PTA might've still considered him for Doc Sportello.

I actually chose Heath for John Fitzgerald because he was very adept with accents, had great screen presence, and of course, could play a heck of a villain.

Derek Cianfrance said that he chose Cooper for Beyond the Pines because he fits the character's description as "being celebrated by everyone, but feels corrupted himself." That fits Ledger like a glove. I thought of him for Luke Glanton, but I think Cianfrance would've gone with Baby Goose for the part anyway after Blue Valentine.

Varun Neermul said...

I Think Ledger Would have been great in blue Valentine. Hur i Think Rowling sås great så well.

Blir Valentine Ratings:

Gosling: 5 (my oscar win)

Williams: 5

Williams Father: 4

Varun Neermul said...

Fuck autocorect. I wrote that Gosling was great as well. Don't know if he would have been better.

Michael McCarthy said...

While I admit the show does have some duds, I still wholeheartedly LOVE South Park to the point where it's hard to pick a top 5, but I'll do my best:

1. Imaginationland
2. Best Friends Forever
3. Make Love, Not Warcraft
4. ManBearPig
5. 200/201

Varun Neermul said...

Woodland Critters is so disturbing and so much fun. It was close to getting on my list.

Varun Neermul said...

Man Bear Pig is hillarious. Love that one.

Robert MacFarlane said...

ManBearPig is one of the worst things to ever happen to television.

Varun Neermul said...

Why do you think so?

Robert MacFarlane said...

It is the pinnacle of Stone's Parker's obnoxious "both sides of the political aisle are wrong" bullshit. Only the hybrid episode was worse in this regard.

Michael Patison said...

1. Brian Cox
2. Sam Worthington
3. Nikolaj Coster-Waldau
4. Tom Hiddleston
5. Patton Oswalt

Varun Neermul said...

Well i did not find it offensive since i do believe both sides are wrong. But to each their own.

Robert MacFarlane said...

I consider the show's attitude of blaming both sides intellectually lazy. It doesn't offend me so much as it annoys the shit out of me.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Your top ten actresses in the 30-45 age group.

RatedRStar said...

I never really quite got South Park, I respect it most definitely but I cant really enjoy it too much, I just always feel a bit uncomfortable with the racial jokes, the homophobia jokes, sometimes they make me quite uncomfortable lol.

RatedRStar said...

Even though I feel the creators have good intentions, sometimes its like ahh this is a bit uncomfortable lol.

94dfk1 said...

What are everyone's thoughts on PTA's first film, Hard Eight? It's the only movie of his I haven't seen yet, and I want to hear some thoughts on it.

Robert MacFarlane said...

It's good, well-acted, but sort of feels like a blue print for what's to come.

Louis Morgan said...

Matt:

Yes I do. I can't remember a scene in a show that left me more unnerved than that moment.

Calvin:

The original choice, Adam Sandler. I think the role could have played to his strengths, and like in Punch Drunk Love it would not have been against type rather an effective utilization of his type.

Luke:

Swinton - 4.5(It's a good performance and the only thing that I liked about the film. Swinton's work is effective in the way she does not sugar coat the character, nor does she overly demonize her. She of course brings the cold sides out, but does not overplay them. She rather illustrates well the frustrations of her character in a very honest fashion. She's also good in kind of the alluding of a certain maternal warmth in there somewhere that she struggles to show. She underlines it all though by just giving a believable portrayal of the pain of the state her character is in the "present" set scenes.)

Ezra Miller - 1(To be fair I believe the film is going for the unreliable narrator idea, so the son should always appear as a bit of demon spawn. As demon spawns go Miller is pretty terrible. As non-demon spawns go he's horrible. His performance I found more of annoying than ever unsettling and too often I felt he played it as like smug rather than socio/psychopathic. It's odd how ineffective his performance was given the nature of the character, but Miller's work made the character feel much more false than I think he was even suppose to be.)

Wiig - (I felt she gave the best performance in the film as I found she did her best to work in the broader moments in a natural way. I actually liked her more somber moments the most as I felt she was rather affecting in revealing the difficult state her character is in. I should note though when the more overtly comedic moments happened I did feel she managed to pull them off without comproming the rest of what she had done either.)

Yeoh - (She's good in a ridiculously by the books "inspirational figure" performance. She checks all the boxes. She's moving when she needs to be, warm when she needs to be, brings out the passion and the determination when she needs to be. The character though is always in the limited confines of its uninspired storytelling. She's good though, and I would have loved to have seen her be able take on a more interesting approach to the story.)

Marion Cotillard
Rooney Mara
Chalize Theron
Jessica Chastain
Carey Mulligan
Olivia Colman
Gwyneth Paltrow
Jena Malone
Kirstin Dunst
Rebecca Hall

Tahmeed:

Lead:

1. Richard Farnsworth - The Straight Story
2. Morgan Freeman - Seven
3. John Turturro - Barton Fink
4. Philip Baker Hall - Hard Eight
5. Russell Crowe - L.A. Confidential
6. Guy Pearce - L.A. Confidential
7. Harvey Keitel - Bad Lieutenant
8. Ian McKellen - Richard III
9. William H. Macy - Fargo
10. James Caan - Misery

Supporting:

1. Martin Landau - Ed Wood
2. Richard Jordan - Gettysburg
3. Gene Hackman - Unforgiven
4. John Goodman - Barton Fink
5. Joe Pesci - Goodfellas
6. Robert Blake - Lost Highway
7. Kevin Spacey - L.A. Confidential
8. Elias Koteas - The Thin Red Line
9. Steve Buscemi - Fargo
10. James Whitmore - The Shawshank Redemption

Varun:

I'll co-sign Tahmeed's choices, though I'd put Make Love Not Warcraft as my five.

Robert MacFarlane said...

More or less agree on the We Need to Talk About Kevin points on basically all fronts. I will say Miller's last scene was good, but the rest of his performance is awful.

Calvin Law said...

I think I'm probably the only one who finds Robert Blake's performance to be completely serviceable but nothing special whatsoever.

Calvin Law said...

Also yes, Sandler would have been fascinating to watch as the Bear Jew.

Matt Mustin said...

I mean, The Bear Jew's barely even a character, really.

Calvin Law said...

I've always wondered whether the intention with the character was to show how powerful word of mouth and propaganda could obscure the fact that a lot of the Basterds were just pretty normal people with violent tendencies.

Matt Mustin said...

Calvin: Well if that's the case, then none of those performances worked at all because they're all kind of absurd in a way.

94dfk1 said...

Is it just me or did anyone else feel that Domnhall Gleeson was miscast in The Revenant? He just seemed too young to be leading a pack of fur traders that had both Tom Hardy and Leonardo Dicaprio in it, and not really that believable as said leader.

Anonymous said...

The Light Between Oceans is pretty much out of the Oscar race now, 31% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: Saw that a couple of minutes ago. It's a shame, though I'm not really surprised. Fassbender and Vikander should still be good though.

Calvin Law said...

Matt: Perhaps I phrased it poorly, I meant that I felt Tarantino directed them as guys 'acting' tough as opposed to 'being' tough. I'll agree that the performances didn't cut it in that sense but I could see what he was going for.

94dfk1: I thought that first time round, but he's grown on me a bit since.

Alex Marqués said...

94dfk1: I felt the same about him being miscast.

Varun Neermul said...

Just saw 'The Debt and i'm pissed because now i know that Worthington is capable of giving very good performance, wished he showed us more of that in his other projects.

Varun Neermul said...

Louis: What are your thoughts on South Park as a show?

Calvin Law said...

Louis: thoughts and rating for Ezra Miller in Perks of Being a Wallflower?

Calvin Law said...

Also, dang, I just found out the voice of Mr Krabs is Clancy Brown who played Hadley in Shawshank. Wow.

Robert MacFarlane said...

If you listen closely to his cameo in Hail, Caesar!, you can hear some of the Krabs voice in there.

Robert MacFarlane said...

La La Land is getting ecstatic reviews at Venice, including from people who didn't like Whiplash.

Giuseppe Fadda said...

I'm very glad about La La Land's reception, a bit sad about The Light Between Oceans', but still the reviews are more mixed than negative and still it seems that Fassbender, Vikander and Weisz are pretty good anyway.

Calvin Law said...

Oh gosh, that Donald Sutherland lookalike was him too? He's everywhere that Clancy.

Yeah, really happy about La La Land's reception too, and as for The Light Between Oceans I had a feeling it was going to be that sort of film anyway. Will still see it for its two leads anyway.

Michael McCarthy said...

Clancy Brown is also very active in the voice acting community even outside of Spongebob. He did the voice of Long Feng in Avatar: The Last Airbender.

RatedRStar said...

1. Brian Cox
2. Sam Worthington
3. Nikolaj Coster-Waldau
4. Tom Hiddleston
5. Patton Oswalt

Luke Higham said...

Michael McCarthy: Your Supporting Actor Top Ten of 2016 so far.

Matt Mustin said...

Clancy Brown is also the best ever Lex Luthor.

JackiBoyz said...

1. Cox
2. Coster-Waldau
3. Worthington
4. Oswalt
5. Hiddleston

Michael McCarthy said...

1. Brian Cox
2. Sam Worthington
3. Tom Hiddleston
4. Patton Oswalt
5. Nikolaj Coster-Waldau

Luke:

1. Damian Lewis-Our Kind of Traitor
2. Stellan Skarsgard-Our Kind of Traitor
3. Harvey Scrimshaw-The Witch
4. Alden Ehrenreich-Hali, Caesar!
5. Chadwick Boseman-Captain America: Civil War
6. Alan Rickman-Eye in the Sky
7. Tom Bennett-Love & Friendship
8. Ralph Ineson-The Witch
9. Daniel Bruhl-Captain America: Civil War
10. John Goodman-10 Cloverfield Lane

Anonymous said...

1. Cox
2. Coster-Waldau
3. Hiddleston
4. Worthington
5. Oswalt

Anonymous said...

Louis, thoughts on Winslet/Dench in Iris?

Matt Mustin said...

Louis, what's your ratings and thoughts on Stallone in Rambo (2008) as well as your thoughts on the film itself?

Louis Morgan said...

By the way on Clancy Brown, anyone else get severe whiplash when they saw him as the kind prison guard in The Hurricane?

94dk1:

I felt that his youth actually played into Fitzgerald's disdain for him, and the way he walked over him almost the whole time.

Varun:

It has waned like most long running shows, but I think it can still get a good laugh now and again. The early seasons are all pretty great, though I think a few to can focus on the gross rather than the humor. I also can see why some might dislike its overt cynicism (to the point of nihilism), but it doesn't bother me personally. I will admit my favorite episodes usually play more into the child sensibilities of the main characters, or deal with completely ridiculous ideas.

Calvin:

Miller - 3.5(Kind of the opposite of his previous effort. It's a very endearing naturalistic piece of work from him. It's a part that really could have been overdone, but Miller finds just the right tone for his work. He has some flamboyant fun, but really underlines it with a real honesty at all times. If I re-watched it would probably go up.)

Anonymous:

I think I've given my thoughts before. Just to reiterate though. I thoroughly dislike Winslet's performance where she just does a one note "free spirit" routine. Dench is a better, but limited by the role. I found both are overshadowed by their male counterparts.

Matt:

Stallone - 3(Basically nails it down to a serious intensity, Rambo has no real growth here. I think it works given what is required of him there.)

The film itself really isn't very good. The subject matter seems to extreme, with certain scenes being directed like their from the Killing Fields or something, to really be enjoyed with the rest of the film's intentions as a dumber action film. The action scenes too often jumbled in terms of their editing, though I'll grant the climax is kind of memorable because of how ridiculous the gore is.

Calvin Law said...

Jim Broadbent's been cast on GOT. With every great British veteran coming onto the show it's only a matter of time before I succumb to trying to take down all six seasons in one sitting.

Calvin Law said...

Louis: Yeah that was a case of...interesting casting, to say the least.

Loved Miller in Perks, and if you do ever re-watch it I hope Lerman might go up a bit. I thought they were both extremely effective and helped make up for Watson who in all honesty I find kind of terrible in the role now.

Anonymous said...

Louis: What are your thoughts on the voice work of Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime and Frank Welker as Megatron?

94dfk1 said...

Louis: Hhmmm I can see the reasoning behind that. Fitzgerald did look like he was going to strangle Domnhall's character at many points throughout the film. I was more impressed by Poulter, however, in terms of the performances besides Leo and good old Hardy.

Louis and anyone: Would you consider Jim Sturgess and Ben Whishaw as some of James McAvoy's contemporaries? If not, whom? And thoughts on Sturgess as an actor?

Calvin Law said...

I would say Sturgess was for a while but now he's kind of disappeared off the radar, while Whishaw seems more of a character actor sort. I liked Sturgess a lot in Cloud Atlas and, while I haven't been overly impressed with him in anything else, I hope he gets good roles suited to his charm and talents soon enough.

Matt Mustin said...

I just watched The Gunman and uh all I can say is... well done, Mark Rylance! Holy cow, he was way better than he had any right to be in that film.

moviefilm said...

1) Waldau
2) Cox
3) Worthington
4) Hiddlestone
5) Oswald

94dfk1 said...

Matt: Thoughts on Bardem and Penn in the film?

Matt Mustin said...

94dfk1: Bardem-3.5 (I thought he was pretty good at first being someone you didn't know if you could trust or not, and I actually particularly liked his final scene.)
Penn-2.5 (He has a few moments here and there, but overall I thought he was pretty dull)

Matt Mustin said...

And I'll note for the record that I would give Rylance a very strong 4.

Anonymous said...

It looks like Deathstroke will be the main villain in Affleck's solo Batman movie.
Louis: Rating and thoughts on the cast of G.I. Joe: Retalliation.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Cullen - (Effortlessly heroic, and the best decision the movies made was to keep his casting, unfortunately that was the only good decision they made. Cullen's work doesn't feel simplistic in its heroism either. In the episode where they do stress the character in some way, Cullen absolutely delivers.)

Welker - (Effortlessly maniacal, and it's a shame they did not use him for Megatron. Welker's offers a very unique voice for a villain, and it absolutely works. Even though the writing isn't really ever great, Welker's work always feels filled with potential. He exudes an honest intelligence in Megatron in addition to the villainy you want)

94dfk1:

Well technically they are around the same age, and you can easily see them in similair roles. McAvoy I would argue has a higher stature, or at least visibility. As he's almost always the leading man and is in far higher profile films than either of the other two.

I believe I've only seen Sturgess in Cloud Atlas, where I liked him.

Anonymous:

I believe I've covered them before. To quickly reiterate though. Pryce is a hoot, the Rock is the Rock (that's more than enough), Goggins is a bit of fun though wasted, and everyone else is kind of terrible.