Billy Bob Thornton did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying Davy Crockett in The Alamo.
The Alamo seems like there is a good film trying to get out, which is supported by the production history where it sounds like earlier versions wanted a more complex and complete version of the history, that is sadly kept prisoner by the extremely standard mostly “print the legend” approach.
The most substantial element of that version lies within Davy Crockett and Billy Bob Thornton’s portrayal of the character. As what Thornton and the film do, it very specifically seeks to break down the notions of the legend Davy as the “king of the wild frontier” and deal with him on more human terms. We are introduced to Davy as the politician and living legend where he’s literally at a function where someone is performing his “life story” for him. Thornton’s quite effective in managing to balance a combination of the politician taking the points with a certain smiling graciousness, yet within that smile denotes someone not entirely comfortable with the nature of the situation. After Davy loses his political seat he ends up going to Texas and joining forces at the Alamo, and honestly is a pivotal scene for Thornton’s whole performance as Davy twofold. One in his saying he got kicked out of the congress so might as well go to Texas, Thornton delivers that line very much like he’s running his PR campaign. It isn’t with the pride of a man trying to fight for freedom but entirely a man looking for some avenue to continue his career. Adding on top of that the moment where he is told that the full Mexican army is heading towards the Alamo, Thornton’s reaction and delivering of having thought there wasn’t much fighting, is with a glint of genuine fear and more than a bit of disbelief as we see guy potentially looking to score some political points now in the middle of a genuine war.
Within the scheme of the film Thornton is consistently the most interesting aspect throughout the film as he creates a real complexity in the story of Davy within the scheme of the Alamo. Thornton does play the part as the “hero” rather what he manages to do is create a lot of different fascinating shades to the idea of the folk legend. Where Thornton is quite remarkable in finding moments of trying to live up to the name while also at others admitting to being far less than what is expected of him. You have the moments where people do speak of the legend of Davy, and I love the moment actually where Davy takes a pot shot at a Mexican soldier, where Thornton’s whole manner suddenly is very much playing the part of the legend briefly as a sort of morale boost to everyone around him, even playing off the near miss of the shot as having got caught in the wind with this certain not entirely false, but not entirely true confidence of someone doing his job of playing the part, while not entirely living up to the part. Contrasting that is when he speaks to Jim Bowie (Jason Patric), another man of legend whose stories apparently are true, unlike most of Davy’s. Thornton brings such a naturalistic realization of the slight embarrassment at needing to admit that he’s far from his legend particularly noting his lack of a Coonskin hat with a bit quiet humor, where he manages to hit the right note of sincerity of someone kind of caught in the middle of an idea he is partially responsible for but also is not. Thornton manages to find a nuance in it, not being someone who denies it, not being someone who lies about it either, finding the struggle to deal with the notion but not wanting to entirely destroy it either.
Within the buildup towards the battle Thornton does the most out of any performer to add some genuine gravity to every moment and creates a journey which can follow with Davy in dealing with the challenges of the situation. Once more not choosing a single approach so easily, such as when after an initial skirmish Davy suggests burning down some buildings to prevent the Mexicans from using them as cover. Thornton's initial delivery is very much as the nonchalant hero as he notes he wanted to stretch his legs anyways. When actually in the action though Thornton does keep a sense of real urgency if not fear as he has to take on Mexican soldiers and even kills one. A moment where Thornton is great is the moment of shooting the man and his eyes realize the very real weight of killing a man in the moment. Following it with his particularly powerful delivery of asking what the man’s name was before the man dies, Thornton captures such a potent sense of real humanity within the moment that does not make it all a simple “killing the enemy” moment. Similarly we have a key moment when asked about his past exploits, and Thornton’s reactions are a combination of a certain humility though combined with a certain fear and even an understanding of his limits as a soldier. Thornton finding a poignancy in underplaying his exploits and more so emphasizing that his previous duties weren’t exactly of a great warrior. All except his speaking on a time where he was part of a raiding party where they killed natives in fire and the grease from the dead men cooked potatoes that their squad prepared to eat. Thornton’s quite effective because as he begins the story it is of the wise man sharing accomplishments however as it continues in each step there is a haunting shame that forms in his eyes and that even in his most unusual story it isn’t one of any kind of triumph.
Thornton during the battle and build up scenes, really just brings a much needed weight in every moment, from even just trying to ease tensions by playing the violin, to later every single reactionary moment through the battle where you can feel every moment of loss most through him. Leading eventually to his final scene where I think you do see the most weakness of the film get in the way, as the more human idea of Crockett is pushed aside for his hero moment as he unleashes his disgust against General Santa Anna rather than ask for mercy. There was probably a way to reach this point, where we see Davy purposefully play up the notion of being the “legend” that could’ve been better realized, however I wouldn’t say on a writing side entirely builds up to it perfectly. Having said that, I think Thornton does more than an admirable job of not overplaying the moment, finding the needed venom in his delivery, the disdain in his eyes, and his “what the hell” moment of accepting his demise to make it work as well as he can. And while in a way I think it is his least interesting scene, as he more so becomes part of the rest of the film so to speak, he in no way gives a bad performance in the scene. Thornton’s work and the character of Crockett however is a testament to the potential of the film, because he does offer a complex and more subtle depiction of the historical figure. Given how good Thornton is here working with the imperfect material, I would say if the film had maybe stuck closer to these ideas, we might’ve had a truly great historical epic and I think Thornton could’ve gone even further in the role. Having said that, even existing in a flawed film, Thornton does his best to elevate what he has and is by the far the most worthwhile element of the film.


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I'm so pleased you've given him a 4.5.
Ratings and thoughts on the cast.
Have Louis' thoughts on Jeffrey Wright and Anthony Hopkins in Westworld ever been posted? If not, is it possible to ask for them?
Also, Louis have you seen the second season of American Crime Story?
He is the best thing about the film but there's just not enough there for him to go beyond a certain point with it.
Anonymous: As it says in the FAQ, you can check to see if he's given thoughts on something by Googling "site:actoroscar.blogspot.com [keyword]".
I remember watching this on VCR back in the day, but I have absolutely no recollection of what I thought of it at the ripe age of 11.
Louis: What are your ratings and thoughts on the cast of Nirvanna the Band the Show the Movie?
RIP James Tolkan
Mr. Strickland can no longer pick up any students from the school.
RIP James Tolkan
'You're a slacker McFly'
RIP James Tolkan
Louis: Your top 10 most suspenseful scenes of the 70s and the 2000s each?
Luke:
Wilson - 2.5(Early Wilson is just so bland and this instance is no different. Frankly is just nearly lifeless most of the time and leaves no strong impression even as a man who is supposed to be weakwilled at first, so you don’t even notice any change when he’s supposed to find his strength. I will say in the letter scene he at least evoked some genuine emotion there but overall just doesn’t leave much of an impression.)
Patric - 3(He’s sorta onto something in bringing the grizzled yet also slightly broken man, but the writing just all over the place. So as much as he occasionally gets onto an interesting strain the film pushes him off it in his next scene.)
Quaid - 2(If he got any more grizzled here he would’ve turned into Christian Bale’s Batman. Really goes hard on just one note of hardbitten and does make any use of any other note at really any instance.)
EchevarrÃa - 3(Basically only gets to play the note of pompous, he does that well enough but it is part of the over simplicity of so much of the writing.)
Anonymous:
Haven’t seen season 2 other than the pilot.
Lucas:
Johnson & McCarrol - 3.5(I wouldn’t say either give great performances in a traditional sense, in fact McCarrol’s general presence I think has a general awkwardness meanwhile Johnson probably is too big of a fan of leaving his mouth open super wide. Having said that in both instances their certain sloppiness that is more than part of the appeal of their performances, where there is an endeariness to their lack of perfection and really clearly the going with the flow aspect. Though I will say the semi minor changes, such as McCarrol’s slightly emotional reaction then pompous routine aren’t bad at all, nor is Johnson’s horror when he thinks he’s been completely forgotten.)
Harris:
70’s:
1. Russian Roulette - The Deer Hunter
2. Final showdown - Jaws
3. Dallas in the Airvents - Alien
4. Death Star - Star Wars
5. Car Chase - The French Connection
6. Michael Stalking Laurie to the house - Halloween
7. Bow vs Gun - Deliverance
8. Final Confrontation - Dirty Harry
9. Train Murders - The American Friend
10. Delivering the Money - The Taking of Pelham One Two Three
00’s:
1. Chigurh vs. Llewelyn - No Country For Old Men
2. “I do” - Zodiac
3. Nightclub - Collateral
4. Basement Bar or Shoshanna’s long lunch - Inglourious Basterds
5. Cannibal House - The Road
6. Gun Assembly - A Bittersweet Life
7. Poison - Casino Royale
8. Diner Thugs - A History of Violence
9. Shelob - LOTR: The Return of the King
10. Stadium - The Secret in Their Eyes
RIP James Tolkan, the man who taught us all the importance of discipline.
Okey, I have done the googling and found nothing, can I ask for thoughts on Wright and Hopkins in Westworld outright or has the boat already sailed?
Matt: Did you watch Theatrical or Director's Cut.
I was listening to Jessie Buckley on Desert Island Discs and wow, don't want to sound weird but she is heavenly to listen to lol, I get Maureen O'Hara vibes from her.
Luke: Theatrical
Louis: With regards to GF2, do you think there was more to Hyman Roth's motive for avenging Greene other than just close friendship? One parallel I think about is Gus vs the cartel from Breaking Bad.
Louis: Even though your 2022 overall lead lineup is absolutely perfection, can Mescal still climb up the ranks for Aftersun?? Like I can't state enough how much I love that performance.
Anonymous: Yeah, you can ask for his thoughts on Wright and Hopkins if you can't find them.
Louis: I happen to recall that after you saw The Mirror & the Light, Tahmeed asked you if you'd now consider Rylance as Cromwell to be your favorite TV performance ever, replacing Cranston in Breaking Bad. You responded that you'd have to think about it. Have you since settled on a definite answer?
Louis: Your thoughts on Harry calling Ken to 'take care of' Ray from In Bruges? One of my favorite line deliveries from the film is 'that's globalization innit' while discussing Pizza Hut.
RIP Mary Beth Hurt
RIP Mary Beth Hurt
RIP Mary Beth Hurt
RIP Mary Beth Hurt
RIP Mary Beth Hurt. Terrific in Parents.
Louis: If you don't mind, could you add Luciano Chirolli in The Secret Agent to the Supporting overall?
RIP James Tolkan and Mary Beth Hurt
RIP Mary Beth Hurt
Louis: Could you watch these films before you finish Supporting:
The Bourne Supremacy
Hidalgo
Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed
Stage Beauty
The Chorus
The Hidden Blade
Three... Extremes
^And Ocean’s Twelve…though if you’re not feeling it, that’s fine too.
I rewatched Dodgeball recently and a 4 is about right for Torn.
Louis: For the '35 Mutiny on the Bounty, do you think vote splitting amongst Tone/Gable/Laughton was the main reason for Muni getting the second most votes by write-in? I also wonder if Gable's win the previous year played a role, I am curious how those final vote tallies looked in a time without obvious precursors.
your thoughts on the Screenplay of Wake Up Dead Man?
Bourne Supremacy is a must if you fully intend to see Bourne Ultimatum.
I don't think you need to keep re-suggesting movies for him to watch, guys.
Matt: Just narrowing the field.
Marcus:
I always saw it as the relationship between Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel, which was a very close older brother/younger brother relationship.
Perfectionist:
I think it’s a great performance, but no. That’s a very tight top six for me.
Harris:
No.
Tahmeed:
Perhaps testament that it isn’t always even the bit itself its the execution of it, as it manages to make the talking to no one hilarious in Ken’s put on to get Ray “out” despite him already not being there with every reaction by Gleason being just gold in putting on the pantomime. And maybe part of it is the contrast where in Fiennes’s delivery you eventually pick up Harry being deadly serious while Ken’s not yet aware of the situation so can be far more casual about every moment of it. Right down to then going on about the greatness of Bruges with that sense of nostalgia as though he’s granting a dying dog their last wish or something. Leading then to Harry being incensed that anyone would think it was less than perfect with such great comedy from the contrast between Gleason then trying to ease the sell against Fiennes embodying such rage. All of that being an enjoyable preamble though that eventually makes the drop of the truth hit harder in a way because like Ken we were just having fun and then are just hit bluntly with the actual facts of executing Ray.
I think Laughton and Gable having already won combined with seemingly support for both probably kept their totals lower, with Tone maybe siphoning off a few. I think Muni also came in second though because there were probably many who were chomping at the bit to reward him as many saw him as the premiere actor’s actor at the time, and proven by the fact they literally awarded him the following year.
Tim:
Theoretically you get the good and the bad of the trilogy within one film. As the bad elements are there are aspects of the mystery that just aren’t great, such as in any way hiding the villain, really even setting up the motivations (the doctor’s being particularly weak in that regard) even building up Blanc’s actions towards the end I think just drag things out and don’t entirely come together. Furthermore the gallery of suspects are not terribly interesting for the most part and as with all the films you almost immediately know who matters. And while most of the writing around Father Jud is the best of the film, one aspect I don’t think works at all is the whole hiding the drink for Samson, that note just feels too vague character wise and convenient for the plot. Having said that in terms of realizing the personal journey of Jud and the contrast between him, Blanc and Wicks is where the film consistently shines. Where the dialogue is built through character and even within moments of mystery exposition it manages to be infused with the character and speak to the character of Jud. As the sparer fittingly against both the dogmatic Wicks and the atheistic Blanc, and any moment that fixes itself into those notions are where the film finds its greatest strength.
Louis: Let's not forget it also gave us the line "Young, dumb and full of Christ"
Louis: Thoughts on this Wolf Hall scene? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIZASVOcKoo
Harris:
Display of Rylance's brilliance in the role where the whole time you see how Cromwell handles the situation not through raising his voice but specific quiet reactions and a particularly compelling contrast basically between the intelligent man and the brute of Norfolk. Also interesting as contrast to the sequel where Cromwell was in the position to directly challenge him, here you see Cromwell carefully plying his trade against his opponent as calmly as possible.
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