Mark Rylance did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying Mr. Dawson in Dunkirk.
The nature of Dunkirk is one of the most pure example of a cinematic approach where I do think it is one film where it was absolutely meant for its original format to the most pronounced extreme, having said that, still works for me even in the lesser format of a home viewing, even on a larger television screen. Relevant though is Christopher Nolan’s emphasis on the visual approach for the material where the amount of backstory per character is very limited. The character probably with the most backstory is Mark Rylance as the “lead” of the boat story, where an older English gentleman goes with his son, and ill-fated friend George (Barry Keoghan, who I was taken by being reminded of just how not creepy he is here) to rescue men from Dunkirk using his own boat. Rylance's performance very much from the outset is about stature and developing that specific comforting presence of an old fashioned unfussy English gentlemen intent on doing the right thing. Initially what Rylance does is to not really put too much on anything, showing a very internalized determination fitting for the quiet man he is as he prepares the boat, before the navy can commandeer it themselves and set sail. Even his warning to George that they are going into war Rylance’s delivery of the line is with a subdued yet potent urgency of someone who speaks in fundamental truths and with an innate earnestness about himself. Rylance sets up the character effectively as empathetic respectability with the presence of a quiet established dignity for the good natured patriarch of the time.
The journey is naturally not the easiest though on the more hopeful outset of the trip Rylance’s moment of beaming with pride at the spitfire planes, even giving a bit of history on their engines Rylance exemplifies the specific belief in the planes. Something that one could take as just belief in his country, but it extends to something beyond that. Rylance lays the groundwork for what are the essential truths of his character. The first important moment of the trip comes in as the boat picks up the only survivor of a sunken ship, the shivering soldier (Cillian Murphy). A man clearly suffering PTSD from the attack and refuses to stay on the boat that is headed back to the danger in Dunkirk. Rylance is fantastic in the way he presents the measured approach Dawson takes to dealing with the man at a breaking point. Rylance brings first just this considerable calm where his eyes bring so much empathy for the man’s brokenness, yet there is the perfect type of conviction in his voice as he notes that they can’t run away from the way. Rylance brings such a simple certainty to the moment that is absolutely wonderful. As is his moment of realization of just how of an extreme the man is, and falsely says they’ll turn around. Rylance brings such a gentle disarming quality to his performance, where his eyes note the real danger the man is posing before doing his best to alleviate the situation. Rylance offers such calm as he lies to the man by saying that they’ll chart a course. Even when shortly afterwards the man attacks Mr. Dawson, in order to get control of the wheel, Rylance’s reaction is still not of anger or fear but rather surprise at the extreme desperation of the man in the moment. Even after that though Rylance believably stays largely as this rock of dignified determination. And what makes Rylance stand out though is the quiet internal life in every decision, with an innate empathy, and the suggestion of key moments of pride. Rylance consistently offers some greater sense of the story of Mr. Dawson even though we are eventually only given one clear piece of motivation for Mr. Dawson. Something that Rylance establishes before we are told the moment when the boat has the chance to save a downed fighter pilot. Suddenly Rylance loses all his composure, and it is especially striking because of how quietly reserved he is the rest of the time. The urgency Rylance brings is emotional and honestly very moving as the panic is real and there is more going on with Mr. Dawson then just trying to save this one pilot. Rylance’s delivery suddenly hurried and in his own way desperate in his insistence that they try to save the man. A moment that is later explained when Dawson’s son tells the saved pilot that Dawson's older son had been a pilot who had been killed. An element that doesn’t change Rylance’s performance but rather one can see that Rylance already made it clear. The quiet determination, the moments of specific pride in the RAF, and that key moment of losing his own grip, all reveal a grieving father who wants to live by his son’s example and do everything in his power to honor his memory. Rylance manages to fully embody the type of the volunteering older gentlemen but naturally goes further both in the bigger moments but also the nuance in every small detail he has.
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He's great. I've never felt compelled to revisit this film though.
Stellar performance, though actually when I rewatched awhile ago, I think Lowden became my MVP.
I assume Siddiqui and Yakusho are the only other write-ups.
Louis: Was Dunkirk a 4.5 for you back in 2017, or is this from this recent re-watch.
RIP Brian Wilson.
RIP Brian Wilson
RIP Brian Wilson
RIP Brian Wilson
Louis: Your thoughts on Robert Eggers adapting A Christmas Carol with Willem Dafoe as Scrooge.
HOW MANY CHRISTMAS CAROLS DO WE N-wait, Robert Eggers?
I'd happily take A Christmas Carol before Labyrinth 2.
I wonder what approach Dafoe takes for Scrooge, as Sim is just so ridiculously definitive that it'd be hard to match him. That said, I'm excited for it.
RIP the great Brian Wilson
Robert Eggers Christmas Carol will be amazing, give it to me now.
RIP Brian Wilson
RIP Brian Wilson
RIP Brian Wilson.
R.I.P. Brian Wilson
RIP Brian Wilson and Harris Yulin.
RIP Brian Wilson and Harris Yulin
Louis: When he was 13 years old, Kurosawa was taken by his older brother to witness the aftermath of the earthquake and massacres that happened at Kanto in 1923. He even saw a mob chasing his father because they thought he was Korean.
A movie directed and written by Kurosawa regarding those events would have been interesting, don't you think?
But I have my doubts if he could have gotten it made, since there was a lot of denialism (and there still is) that the events happened.
RIP Harris Yulin
Louis: Thoughts on the Spaceballs 2 announcement.
Harris:
Miss Misery is very 90's but not in a bad way, even if isn't a song I wholly love even. Although this is an instance where that is more so on me than the song so to speak. As it has a nice build up within the song particularly in the blend between the vocals and instrumentation, and the additional choir. And I'll say it for the vocals that I think could lend it self to aggressively emo for the lack of a better word, but the approach I think works in more so a reflective kind of blend that emphasizes the idea of joy, pain and regret pretty artfully. It would probably be my #6.
Not sure if it squeaks in the 10, but only because 96 is an extremely strong year for the category for me.
Tahmeed:
I'll say I didn't put as much thought in my film ratings back then, and it would've been a 4.5 by today's standard as well. As I've always really liked it, still do, but at the same time Oppenheimer, Memento, The Prestige and The Dark Knight are very clearly my Nolan "5's" and Dunkirk feels right at a contrasting 4.5.
Luke:
Honestly even without Eggers, Christmas Carol is the one story I don't mind additional stabs at just because I love it so much, even though this has led me to suffer through the Steven Knight and that awful animated version.
But with Eggers, I'm at peak excitement just because we'd get another period and setting from him, and the ghosts could've outstanding. And while I expect, and will love to see his version where the horror likely will be emphasized more, his depiction of Hutter's story in Nosferatu makes me feel Eggers can find the essential life affirming elements as well.
Also Dafoe's take on Scrooge is also very exciting, because I think he could find his own alternative pathway that works.
8000's:
Yes, but I would say he might've handed it off to Kobayashi who directly took on those types of stories.
Luke:
Like seeing Moranis back for anything, but the writing/director pair don't fill me with too much hope.
Though Addendum to Spaceballs 2 the non-footage teaser was rather hilarious.
Louis: "One Prometheus (which is kind of an Alien movie)"
Louis: Just curious, how did you become aware of The Cinefiles? I've listened to a number of film-related podcasts, but I have to say they weren't on my radar at all until you mentioned them.
And on a similar note, are you familiar with any of these movie podcasts?
Blank Check with Griffin & David
You Must Remember This
The Big Picture
Team Deakins
Some Scattered thoughts on The Life of Chuck:
Some Fortune Cookie nonsense throughout, that sometimes is verifiably false like “looking forward to the weekend period is better than the weekend” ARE YOU NUTS!
Flanagan even at his best gives you moments of pause where you say “man that sounds a little Shyamalanesque”, particularly when he tries to be funny. Many examples of that are found here particularly in the first third.
Chuck I think is cursed and is basically the Monkey, but is performing far greater numbers than the Monkey, as one cut to a funeral here reminded me of the hilarious hardcut of Osgood Perkins’s funeral portrait in that film, except there it was supposed to be funny.
TIFF audience…what was going with this and runner-up Emilia Perez…
The art of narration is a fine art, this is a film where it shows how it can not work at all, maybe it is Offerman (though he has a good voice), maybe it is how overly wordy it is but regardless it doesn’t work.
The film itself is three things.
One a clunky apocalypse film where every conversation is the same, which it makes sense for people to be fixated on but it gets pretty repetitive.
Two a dance scene which is fine but not some real cinematic magic it wants to be.
Then three a coming of age story that has some decent moments in there, some silly ones, some ridiculous ones and it doesn’t add up to all that much.
Hiddleston - 2.5
Pajak - 2.5
Tremblay - 2.5
Ejiofor - 3.5
Gillan - 3.5
Hamill - 3.5
Offerman - 2
Sara - 4
Basso - 2.5
Lumbly - 3
Seigel - 2
Sloyan - 2.5
Lillard - 3
I haven't seen it, but you're not the first person I've seen to mention Sara as the MVP.
Gary Oldman is officially a knight.
Louis: Your rating and thoughts on Aidan Gillen in The Dark Knight Rises.
Louis: Still thinking about my winning request since its been a while lol, I wish TV actors like John Simm, Phillip Glenister and Ken Stott had done more film roles because they are so talented and would have requested them lol.
Louis: Can I have your thoughts on my birthday recommendation, A Matter Of Loaf And Death (2008) tomorrow.
RatedRStar: I think Stott potentially had the higher ceiling if he had branched out more. He has all the qualities to have been a truly great character actor in the British Film Industry.
RatedRStar: Simm and Glenister (though he's from the south) always came across to me as Northern English working class men that it would've been rather difficult for them to get beyond it. Mike Leigh and Ken Loach would've been great fits for both of them.
Luke: I totally agree that that Ken Skott, should have been a major player, he was nominated for 3 Baftas, usually for angry fiery characters who had problems.
Louis: What are your ratings and thoughts on the rest of the cast of Bingo: The King of the Mornings?
Thoughts on Hiddleston, Sara, and the 3.5s in Life of Chuck? And is Hiddleston Lead or Supporting?
Harris:
I believe I was just looking for long form movie for a long trip and happened upon it based on its long focus on a single film.
I am familiar with Team Deakins but haven't really explored it.
8000's:
He's a big guy, also named CIA, who has a master plan, who might've got himself caught, but it will be extremely painful for him particularly after shooting a man before throwing him out of a plane.
That is to say it is a memorable performance but I would say he overcooks the whole thing...however that is why it is memorable but does it serve the scene? Kind of because the scene is memorable in part just because of Gillen really being so over the top with every line delivery.
Lucas:
Keep forgetting to answer the question because there's not much to say, as I found everyone else pretty standard type and little more.
Leal I'd give a 3.5 even though she mostly has to play the note of stubborn but has a certain intensity that elevates herself beyond the stick in the mud. Particularly in the moments of breaking her state where she is pretty elegant in those moments of naturally bringing in a stronger more alluring personality. Unfortunately the eventual progression of her character gets a bit lost in the scheme of things.
Harris:
I'd say Hiddleston is supporting because it falls into more ensemble because of the actor shifting but also because Ejiofor is really the lead in the first third as well.
Hiddleston - (His dance scene is his highlight performance wise, otherwise I found him a little stiff and worse he didn't really make me care about Chuck, which is a severe problem that speaks to more than just him. But Hiddleston didn't make me feel like I fully knew this guy in a moments notice instead we just get kind of a shade of an idea, a side character but its his story so we should empathize, or at least I should, far more than I did.)
Sara - (The best part of the film by a substantial margin and if we had gotten more of her the film would've been better off. Because no one better captures the spirit the film wants to go for, but doesn't quite achieve it. She finds the exact inspirational tone for herself because she just plays it so directly and sincerely. There's no attempt to be inspiring, she just is by playing it all just innately with warmth first where you feel the interpersonal care first that then makes every word she says feel sincere and is just such a bright spot. Every second she gets she spreads the idea of a greater history to her character and this world, and shows the pathway the film needed. It's wonderful work that Flanagan should've expanded.)
Ejiofor & Gillan - (Both have to fumble around with some wonky lines at times, but I thought each focused their powers effectively by keeping a lack of melodrama and instead brought the right understated quality of people trying to push through while falling apart at the same time. I think they did find some emotion just within their own work even if it never made me completely care on the whole, I at least believed them on an acting level. Side note, what is it with Ejiofor and finding a good film to be in? The man's talent is severely underexploited.)
Hamill - (As was the case with Usher Hamill is pretty good at even selling Flanagan's lesser moments as a screenwriter and that is the case once again. As Hamill I won't say makes his math monologue sing but he did convince me that this guy would actually say it which is definitely something. Hamill also balances a certain grouchy darkness underlying at times but combined with moments of warmth. A combo that didn't hit quite as hard as I was hoping but he is a better spot in the film.)
Louis: I'm usually the last guy to defend Gillen, but I do think he was shouting over both IMAX camera fans and the plane's open door. Nolan infamously hates ADR. I think the studio did force him to redub Bane, because it's fairly noticeable on that charge.
Robert:
I mean that's fair, although goes into questioning Nolan's techniques with that film in particular, you know like not giving Cotillard another take.
The thing about The Dark Knight Rises is that everything about it seems like Nolan wanted to be done with it as quickly as possible. Particularly notable if you just sit down and read the script, which I have, because it reads like a first draft.
Louis: What are the Team Deakins episodes you've listened to?
Happy Birthday Daniel
Happy birthday, Luke and Daniel!
Luke and Daniel: Happy birthday!
Happy Birthday Luke and thanks to everyone.
Louis: Your thoughts on Ben Whishaw's performance of "I loved Rome more"/Brutus's funeral speech from Julius Caesar? The speech as written, while understandably overshadowed by the one that follows, has always struck me as one of the more underrated in Shakespeare's canon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW4uwFlsZlo
Louis: Your thoughts on The Mothman Prophecies as a film as well as the performances of Richard Gere and Will Patton in it?
Happy Birthday Luke and Daniel
Happy Birthday guys!
Thank you everyone.
Harris:
I said I was aware of it not that I listened to episodes.
Luke & Daniel:
Happy birthday gentlemen.
Tahmeed:
I think you can kind of look at it as a logical versus emotional approach for the crowd with Brutus being the former. As he's trying to explain his reasoning as clearly and as reasonably as possible. He is the politician trying to actually outline his policy, even in this instance is assassination, as truthfully and clearly. Something also that we knowing his personal scenes is true but obviously one might struggle to believe that a man loved someone he killed. And is a great speech as such particularly as a setup then for Mark Antony to go solely for the emotional jugular and steal the day over Brutus's attempted nuance.
Ytrewq:
Found it to be a slow slog when I watched it over 20 years ago, I recall Gere just being not particularly interesting and Patton finding a little bit of emotion. To get into more details I'd have to rewatch the film which I have no desire to do.
Louis: Your thoughts on John Magaro, Jon Bernthal and Scoot McNairy as actors.
Louis: You don't mind re-watching A Grand Day Out and A Close Shave when you return to 89 and 95 respectively.
Thanks everyone again.
Luke, RatedRStar: Happy belated birthday, you two!
Louis: With Will Smith recently admitting to turning down Inception, I would like to know: how do you think he would've done playing Cobb?
Anonymous: that question is more difficult than one may think, as Cobb's backstory and relationship with Mal was added because of DiCaprio's input. Before that, the script apparently was plotbased and focused more on the concepts (I like to imagine that's exactly what Tenet became)
Louis: What are your thoughts on the rest of the cast of The Life of Chuck?
Hello Louis and folks!
Let's talk about some 2017 movie translations in non-English speaking countries. The names that were in Brazil were:
Darkest Hour = The Destiny of a Nation
Get Out = Run!
Lady Bird = Lady Bird: Time to Fly
The Post = The Post: The Secret War
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri = Three Advertisements For One Crime
Phantom Thread = Phantom Plot
Good Time = Good Behavior
Paddington 2 = The Adventures of Paddington 2
Baby Driver = In Rhythm of Escape
Atomic Blonde = Atomic
Split = Fragmented
The Big Sick = Love Sick
Mudbound = Mudbound: Tears Over the Mississippi
Molly’s Game = The Big Move
The Square = The Square: The Art of Discord
The Meyerowitz Stories (New and Selected) = The Meyerowitzes: You Don't Choose Your Family
A Ghost Story = Shadows of Life
Spider-Man: Homecoming = Spider-Man: Back Home
Gerald’s Game = Dangerous Game
Happy Death Day = Death Says Happy Birthday
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales = Pirates of the Caribbean: Salazar's Revenge
The Beguiled = The Stranger We Love (Keeping the same name as the 71 film)
Brazinterma:
Really tough year for that
The Shape of Water = The Shape Of Water - The Water's Whisper
Phantom Thread = The Silk Thread
The Post = The Publisher
Roman J. Israel Esq = Roman J. Israel Esq - The Truth and nothing but the Truth
Logan = Logan - The Wolverine
Coco = Coco - More alive than Life!
War for the Planet of the Apes = Planet of the Apes: Survival
Gerald's Game = Stephen King's The Game
Dead Men tell no Tales = Pirates of the Caribbean - Salazar's Revenge ( I hear it's like this in most countries)
Chuck = Chuck: The true Rocky
American Made = Barry Seal: Only in America
Only The Brave = No Way Out - Against the Flames
Forgot:
You Were Never Really Here = A Beautiful Day (I remember finding this kind of funny as At some point early on someone ask him for his name and he answers "I'm Mr fucking Rogers" or something and i thought this would come back later and the title would be based on some sort of really fucked up humor; but no, they talk about it being a literal beautiful day in the last scene ...)
I also forgot a title Coco = Hooray - Life is a Party
Coco in Portuguese has two meanings:
- coconut fruit
- poop, poo or shit
Even if the Pixar film had the coconut fruit as an essential part of the plot, it would be impossible for the public not to associate it.
Louis: Are there any line readings you love from a movie that you're surprised aren't iconic? Because I was thinking about how much I love Teresa Wright's delivery of "Don't touch me, Uncle Charlie" in Shadow of a Doubt. Feels like that line should be quoted more.
Tom Cruise is being awarded an Honorary Oscar.
Watched the 2017 Power Rangers which I don't have too much to say about except that it's hilarious that THIS is where Bryan Cranston decided to go more subdued than usual.
Unless you saw the original teaser and have definite plans to see the film, your thoughts on the full trailer for The Naked Gun?
Regarding Materialists:
What a strange success this is because this has many traits of the “studio sellout” film, which it is obviously not to begin with since it is for A24 same as Past Lives, though the budget is higher and Song now has three star names in her film. And plot wise it is a cliched romcom with the rich guy/poor guy love triangle hitting the beats you’d expect, along with Dakota Johnson’s character actively participating in Hitch-like plot beats even beyond that. But Song is playing with something here which is the artifice of such a piece, which I wouldn’t quite call it a subversion but rather a purposeful accentuation of that artifice in a way. Something that shouldn’t work perhaps but does where the analysis of that artifice being dissected throughout the film. Of course it also work because of Song’s visual eye is again so remarkable as she has such a natural ability to find beauty in so many different spaces and creating this unique sense of place in New York that is absolutely remarkable, however combined with that specific emotional intelligence in the way she frames her actors that they are never lost in that beautiful shot.
Johnson - 4
Evans - 4
Pascal - 3.5
Winters - 3.5
Ireland - 3.5
Anonymous:
Would've been very different as I'm sure he would've wanted his input, which if he pushed to be more overtly fun, honestly I might not have minded the choice but if he wanted it to be more dramatic like the DiCaprio version...that would not have been good. Although with that Matrix and Django...and Chris Rock, Smith really should not go with his gut.
Lucas:
Pajak - (Like Hiddleston honestly to a fault, as some moments I thought his performance worked, some moments I thought he struggled with the dialogue in the same exact way.)
Tremblay - (He's maybe the most consistent Chuck but has barely anything to work with.)
Offerman - (It is definitely in part the lines but found his voice intrusive every time it came in. Maybe it is too like slightly twee, not sure but what he was doing here didn't work for me in the least.)
Basso - (Fine dancing awkward acting though.)
Lumbly - (Manages to do decently with Flanagan's demanding monologues once again, even if he's there just for some random sage wisdom but he brought humanity to it. Honestly he probably should've been the narrator.)
Seigel - (Found her very stiff and awkward here. Leading to her scene to be more clunky than anything else.)
Sloyan - (Went back and forth for me between moments where she managed to hit the right tone to make the sentimental believable and others where she was just awkward in selling particularly the jokes.)
Lillard - (Like Lumbly manages to find something honest in the overly wordy dialogue he's given finding some semblance of a genuine human reaction within it as reflection. Showing the underlying dread within the overly reflective words he's saying.)
Robert:
Great question. And that is a great example.
"Oh I don't deserve to be so happy, I can't help it, I just can't help it" - Scrooge (Sim)...which also that fully added adaptation line is how you improve on source material.
"Ich sehe" - Stalag 17 (Holden)
"Just that Hud, you don't give a damn" - Hud (Douglas)
"That man? That man never killed anybody" - McCabe and Mrs Miller (Hugh Millais)
"Yeah I even lost my cat" - The Long Goodbye (Gould)
Harris:
Some gags worked "Man's Laughter" but overall wasn't fully working for me. Obviously it will all be about laugh hit ratio which I hope is great in the end product but wasn't sold by this.
Louis: Curiously, Suzanne Pleshette was considered to play Catwoman before Julie Newmar did.
I love Newmar, but I think Pleshette would have also been great.
Louis: Thoughts on the cast of Materialists.
Louis, thoughts on the trailer for Bruce Springsteen: Deliver me from Nothing?
8000's:
I would say so.
J96:
Given the type of film and the Scott Cooper of it all, it could've been worse I guess, but it also looked pretty standard in many regards. Less playacting performative I think than A Complete Unknown hopefully, but still doesn't look like it will be a reinvention of any kind.
JAW looks committed at the very least, just hope the film is better than 'fine', as Springsteen's obviously a great subject.
Reviews for 28 Years Later are really great, Ralph Fiennes is MVP by most accounts.
Matt Mustin: I do have a soft spot for the original Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, cheesy as it was, 2017 version is so bleh, hated the Alien looking costumes as well.
Matt Mustin: Bizarrely enough a while ago I was actually going to suggest a Power Rangers performance as a winning request when they did the special Netflix film but thankfully it is a TV film and I sobered up lol.
Louis: Regarding Materialists, is it similar to Only Murders in the Building in that snug New York feel where it makes you want to live there, is it similar like that? I say that as someone who has always wanted to go to New York.
RatedRStar:
Mostly yes, I will say as someone who has been to New York more than a few times, few filmmakers have made it look more beautiful and welcoming than Song does in both this and Past Lives.
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