Saturday, 8 May 2021

Alternate Best Actor 1980: Anthony Quinn in Lion of the Desert

Anthony Quinn did not receive an Oscar nomination for portraying Omar al-Mukhtar in Lion of the Desert. 

Lion of the Desert is one of only twoish (ish because he really made three films, but two were the same film in a different language with different actors) films by Moustapha Akkad, a man otherwise known only really for being an executive producer of the Halloween franchise. So a classic "huh?" Hollywood story to be sure. Made all the more confusing given this film is a  good, though not great (needed more detail to the supporting characters like a greater Arab war film), epic about Libyan struggle against fascist Italy.

Anthony Quinn stars here in a role that is actually familiar, in some ways, to another turn by Quinn in that other epic, the greater, Lawrence of Arabia. Although both films have Quinn playing Arab leaders attempting to take care of his people. The comparisons stop there though as in "Arabia" he played a loud boisterous and vibrant man, here he plays a quiet dignified one. This as we see him his first scene attending to the people listening to a religious sermon. Quinn speaks in the moment of the man's own views with a quiet grace and care for each word. There is a gentleness within Quinn's delivery and he immediately grants you a sense of his al-Mukhtar as a caring and generous leader. Quinn always has a powerful presence as an actor, and dominating one to be sure, however here he uses that initially more passively. This creating just a sense of the presence of the man but defined by an ease among his people. He is not trying to dominant them he is trying to be with them. This is our starting point as the Italian fascists, with the campaign lead by General Rodolfo Graziani (Oliver Reed), attempt to take over Libya with al-Mukhtaras the man seeming to stand in his way. 
 
Quinn has a great scene once the campaign starts where he uncovers the massacre of his people. Quinn's reaction is deeply affecting here as there is so much empathy within his expression. It is a beautifully tender work in the moment as you feel the weight of the deaths upon his brow and you see that there is nothing more personal than the loss of his people. As he expresses the nature of such brutality, Quinn creates the sense of such a powerful humanity that defines the man. In battle Quinn is interesting in that he doesn't portray some sort of ferocity. There is instead a certain sense of weight within the battle on the man, and a care even then. This in showing the man very much caring more of the meaning of the fight, then at all caring about any glory within the fight. Quinn suggesting a man whose leadership in battle is due to a sense of duty than anything at all personal. This is emphasized so well by an early scene where he attends a failed negotiation with the Italians. Quinn speaking with quiet strength in setting his stakes within the moment. His raising of his vice something so naturally earned as attached to the passion for the rights of his people. 

The negotiation scene is wholly wonderful for Quinn, as he uses every reaction so well. This as there is hearing every word with a careful consideration, and always that sense of a moral sense of what every suggestion is attached to. When he speaks of Graziani, figuring out the Italians plot to delay him, Quinn's delivery is great because he approaches it with a quiet certainty and dismissiveness towards the questionable men he was speaking to. Quinn's screentime is relatively limited, for a leading performance, because the film gives keen focus to the battle scenes, but everyone of his scenes punctuates the film with a necessary power. A later moment is another terrific one where al-Mukhtar explains his position to his fellow Arabs who have surrendered. Quinn's resolute passion is remarkable by how low key yet potent it is. This in his explanation of the betrayal of the surrender given the force they are facing. Quinn once again finding the power in the certainty of the man's words and in his delivery finding a man who earnestly knows the righteousness of his fight therefore cannot be easily deterred even by the true hardships that result from his resolution. 

I think the key to Quinn's performance here actually is how he doesn't try to make al-Mukhtar any sort of supreme leader or some truly extraordinary man in this war. He rather expresses him as a man caring for his people and always burdened by the war he is taking on. In the later war scenes, as the situation gets more dire, he doesn't depict it with a calm resolve. There is the sense in Quinn's eyes of every loss, and the real anxiety of the situation. He doesn't show the man weakening truly, but still shows the effort al-Mukhtar needs to make to continue his fight at every point. Just the brief moments of a real sadness at seeing the death of his men are truly moving as again Quinn presents the innate decency of the cause in such an honest approach. Quinn's performance accentuates a kind of directness that works particularly well for the role given we don't dive too deeply beyond a certain point here. We get more so the generalizations than some of the more detailed specifics within the characters, something that again made Lawrence a great film. Quinn's work though does make up for this limitation to a degree by creating the right nuance within the depiction of a man standing up for what he believes to the very end. This as even with his final confrontation with Graziani, Quinn, who certainly never hesitates to go big when he sees fit, takes a simple yet effective approach. This in creating a dignified portrait of al-Mukhtar as a leader who states his position, and lives with it. His ease with it, being an expression of  the man wholly seeing his stance as an absolute truth.

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Matt Mustin said...

Tahmeed: He was also more age-appropriate when he did it on stage.

Anonymous said...

Ben Platt is talented but he looks way too old for the part and this is amplified far more on screen.

To put it in perspective, he played a college freshman in 2012.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Matt: That I admittedly find less egregious, especially when a vast majority of teenage roles in Hollywood films tend to be played by actors in their mid to late twenties.

Matt Mustin said...

Tahmeed: Yeah, but he looks noticeably older than that even.

Anonymous said...

What is your top 10 female singers?

Anonymous said...

How would you rank the actresses who have two Oscars?

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Satyajit Ray as a director and writer so far? I can't wait for you to see The Apu Trilogy and Charulata.

Tim said...

chance that Joan Allen could go up for Pleasantville?

Anonymous said...

Some interesting screen time data for Once upon a time in the west: https://twitter.com/MatthewAStewart/status/1392610570315214854

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

I would have never thought Bronson to have less than 30% screen time in that film. I guess it just shows that it isn't everything when deciding category placements.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Tahmeed: One thing you have to keep in mind, the longer the movie, the less of a percentage performances will generally have. I bet if you did Spartacus, Douglas would be around 35% at the most.

Louis Morgan said...

Finished Underground Railroad, which makes me wish that every "auteur" would do a full series, not just a two episode starter, the full thing, as it is fascinating to see someone like that play with the form, like we see Barry Jenkins do here. Which certainly involves some choices we'd never get in a regular series (the 20 minute episode, and the opening of the finale in particular) I need more time to ruminate for my thoughts overall, but it is a striking idiosyncratic piece to be sure, and it is a shame that James Laxton can only receive Emmy recognition as the achievement of his work here deserves more than being tossed a win on "tech night".

1. Joel Edgerton
2. Thuso Mbedu
3. William Jackson Harper
4. Damon Herriman
5. Peter Mullan
6. Aaron Pierre
7. Lily Rabe
8. Sheila Atim
9. Chase W. Dillon
10. Amber Gray
11. Lucius Baston
12. Peter de Jersey
13. Robert Singleton
14. Will Poulter (He does what he can, but honestly not sure why they cast him here)
15. Fred Hechinger

Ira:

Based on the two Oscars:

1. Vivien Leigh
2. Maggie Smith
3. Sally Field
4. Jodie Foster
5. Cate Blanchett
6. Dianne Wiest
7. Shelley Winters
8. Olivia De Havilland
9. Luise Rainer
10. Bette Davis
11. Elizabeth Taylor
12. Hillary Swank
13. Jane Fonda
14. Renee Zellweger
15. Helen Hayes
16. Jessica Lange

Overall:

1. Maggie Smith
2. Vivien Leigh
3. Shelley Winters
4. Glenda Jackson
5. Olivia de Havilland
6. Cate Blanchett
7. Sally Field
8. Jodie Foster
9. Bette Davis
10. Dianne Wiest
11.Elizabeth Taylor
12. Luise Rainer
13. Renee Zellweger
14. Jane Fonda
15. Helen Hayes
16. Jessica Lange
17. Hillary Swank

Tahmeed:

So far from Ray, I can say he's a brilliant filmmaker I think defined by his refusal to limit himself by convention while also knowing form in terms of creating compelling narrative. He doesn't seem to anchor himself to either. This also in his directorial choices, because as much as he'll often effectively take a naturalistic bent, he will deliver this truly remarkable moments of style that amplify rather than detract from what he is trying to do. His writing hits these emotional depths and nuance, both in the quiet moments and larger strokes of action. His writing carries a sense of reality however is never boring. It is often funny, while also so very biting. So far, even his lesser efforts, have been fascinating by how often unpredictable they are, other than there will be at least some honest insight into the human condition that is from a truly unique perspective.

Tim:

Probably not.

Matt Mustin said...

Louis: Would you say it's Edgerton's best performance?

Calvin Law said...

I still need to finish the final two episodes, but I also thought IronE Singleton and Calvin Leon Smith made a very strong impression on me. Agreed on Hechinger being a bit underwhelming, also am I the only one who kept thinking he was Caleb Landry Jones.

Calvin Law said...

Also Laxton's work is amazing, but would you agree that Nicholas Britell's work here might also be some of his best yet?

Louis Morgan said...

Matt:

It is definitely very close between this and Loving, though I might go with this just by the way his work gets under your skin, and not always in the way you expect it to.

Calvin:

Anyone above Poulter (who is absolutely fine, he just has a slim role) falls into the good to great category for me.

Yeah also thought it was Caleb Landry Jones, I have to say his underwhelming work though at least helped illustrate how good Edgerton was all the more though in terms of how he so tangibly and powerfully realized such a complex character. With Hechinger you can see how easily the part could've been slightly overcooked and a bit too vague in the wrong hands.

Yes Britell's score is also fantastic.

Anonymous said...

Thoughts on Maggie Smith, Dianne Wiest, Sally Field, Jessica Lange, and Hillary Swank as actresses?

Robert MacFarlane said...

I haven't watched Underground Railroad yet, but I am very happy to see Harper that high on the ranking. Thought he was the MVP of The Good Place.

HTT said...

Does anyone have any thoughts on KIss Of The Spider Woman? I am seeing it today.

Anonymous said...

Louis, what is your ranking of Kate Winslet's performances?

Marcus said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Matt Walsh as an actor?

Robert MacFarlane said...

I watched Those Who Wish Me Dead. Well, it may not be problematic, but Taylor Sheridan is still a shit writer, and his direction is even flatter than it was in Wind River. Definitely admire the (comical) choice of having fucking Littlefinger (who I came to the epiphany is the poor man’s Mendelsohn) be more of a lead than Angelina Jolie.

Calvin Law said...

Finished Underground Railroad, basically agreed with Louis with all fronts, that finale was kind of unexpected in its approach but it's sitting very well with me. My cast ranking:

1. Joel Edgerton
2. Thuso Mbedu
3. William Jackson Harper
4. Damon Herriman
5. Sheila Atim
6. Peter Mullan
7. Aaron Pierre
8. Calvin Leon Smith
9. Lily Rabe
10. Chase W. Dillon
11. Amber Gray
12. IronE Singleton
13. Chukwudi Iwuji
14. Peter de Jersey
15. Mychal-Bella Bowman
16. Lucy Faust
17. Will Poulter
18. Fred Hechinger

Mitchell Murray said...

Well I finished Season 4 of "Castlevania" this morning, and all things considered, it's a solid ending to the series. It mostly serves to reaffirm the show's strengths, but also concludes much of it's narrative threads in satisfying fashion.

Additionally, I've also caught up to Volume 6 of "RWBY". I could go into greater detail, but here's my spark notes for the show thus far;
- Of the 4 women in the titular quartet, Ruby herself is still the least interesting
- The vocal performances, while occasionally underwhelming, are mostly passable
- The fights are still it's strong point, but the story/character development has interesting moments
- I enjoy 3 of the soundtracks' songs quite a bit
- I have problems with the series overall, but anyone you see online saying it's garbage is clearly exaggerating

Luke Higham said...

Louis: If you've seen it, thoughts on Army Of The Dead and the cast.

Calvin Law said...

Kind of loved Army of the Dead myself. Nora Arnezeder is my favourite supporting performance of the year so far.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: With a Highlander reboot directed by Chad Stahelski being rumoured for quite awhile now, apparently Henry Cavill (The Witcher) is the #1 choice to play the lead role (Connor MacLeod). If the project does get off the ground, who would be your choices for Ramirez and The Kurgan. Also, is there anyone you'd prefer to see play Connor MacLeod.

I would love to see Dave Bautista play The Kurgan.

Anonymous said...

Luke, your ratings for the cast of Highlander

Luke Higham said...

Lambert - 3
Connery - 3.5
Brown - 4.5

Mitchell Murray said...

Luke: I haven't watched "Highlander" myself, but I have seen "The Witcher" and if Cavill's performance is anything like his turn as Geralt, he should be fine in the role.

The thing I've noted about Cavill is that although his presence and range is consistently stoic, he's not incapable of dramatic depth. In fact, the times he has delivered more overt emotion have generally been the highlights of those individual performances (Ex. Zod's death in "Man of Steel"). This is all to say that if the "Highlander" reboot is well written and directed, I see no reason right now to doubt him in the part.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Thoughts on this two minute scene from Bojack Horseman?

https://youtu.be/1TZhhoR1dns

Emi Grant said...

Tahmeed: Love that episode.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on the cast of Airplane if you haven't given them.

HTT said...

I just read Henry Fonda's screen time in Once Upon A Time In The West. Does that mean he is lead or supporting? Does anyone have any thoughts?

Stefan Klein said...

Hi guys, hope you're all doing well. It's terrible, we in Germany still can't watch half of the (best motion picture) nominees ... legally, that is. I'm not into streaming. No Minari, The Father, Promising Young Woman, Judas and the Black Messiah...
Luke, Calvin: How did you like Schweighoefer in Army of the Dead? Usually, I can't stand him. I find his schtick tiring, grating, you name it. In Army, I was positively surprised. Maybe he schould always perform in English language movies. Arnezeder I liked a lot.

Tim said...

Stefan: glad to see that i am not the only one pissed that our cinemas are closed.
On Schweighöfer, he was pretty not-terrible in Kursk too


Louis: your thoughts on the screenplay of The Devil Wears Prada?

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

HTT: Louis considers Fonda supporting in that film, although personally, either placement would make sense to me.

HTT said...

I am watching Once Upon A Time In The West tomorrow to decide for myself.

Louis Morgan said...

Unknown:

Quick thoughts

Smith - (One of the great comic to dramatic ranges of any actor. Although probably mainly best known for her British gentry of various degrees of curmudgeoness, she even does that better than anyone. Her whole career though shows a comic brilliance and a dramatic intensity like few can rival.)

Wiest - (Her early career was defined by her women on some kind of edge roles, which she delivered well on. Seguing towards more slightly eccentric character work, which she also did well with, before again towards a reliable character actress of the few roles unfortunately rarely granted to a woman of her age. She's a consistently good actress and you can kind of place her anywhere.)

Field - (Field honestly I'd say is a bit like Maggie Smith actually in that her range is consistently impressive and often underrated particularly the dramatic end of things. Perhaps she's not used enough, but given a decent role she typically excels with.)

Lange - (The female sort of Sean Penn type for me where you can see the talent but it so often reveals itself in such overcooked work it doesn't frequently matter. She has it, but she goes over board so often it doesn't matter.)

Swank - (Well she has her breakout Oscar winning role....and that's it. Otherwise I find her consistently mannered and awkward actress. This with such a manner of telegraphing everything in a performance and making the choices seem like choices rather than a natural realization of character.)

Anonymous:

1. Heavenly Creatures
2. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
3. Sense and Sensibility
4. Ammonite
5. Little Children
6. Hamlet
7. The Reader
8. Titanic
9. Steve Jobs
10. Jude
11. Finding Neverland
12. Contagion
13. Quills
14. Carnage
15. Christmas Carl: The Movie
16. Revolutionary Road
17. Iris
18. Collateral Beauty
19. Wonder Wheel
20. Triple 9

Louis Morgan said...

Marcus:

Very particular question. Most of what I've seen has been his bit character work that is usually fun, well other than Upright Citizen Brigade which features a lot of great sketch work from him. This as he brings the kind of devotion to any character, particularly his Irish cop character or his "titular line" guy, the kind of proper devotion that makes properly great sketches.

Luke:

Army of the Dead is stupid and often derivative (particularly the third act that feels mostly ripped from Aliens and partially ripped from Train to Busan). It also doesn't quite know when to end, as is common for any modern action film. Having said that, it's pretty entertaining, and that is kind of the most important thing for a film like this. It isn't amazing, but there is plenty of fun to be had, and just *enough* heart in there somewhere.

Bautista - 3.5(Rock solid leading turn from him. His sort of earnest but also unfussy manner really works well here. His role really is a pretty dull plain guy lead, but Bautista does what he can with it, which again shows that he's entirely legit at this point.)

Purnell - 3(She's fine brings enough genuine heart without going overboard to the point of being annoying.)

Hardwick - 3(Does some fine general badass work with some nice small moments in there.)

de la Reguera - 3(Very simple role, but I did like everything she did with it particularly the small moments she gets.)

Rossi - 2(At least it wasn't Ike Barinholtz I guess, but eh who am I kidding he does the same overdone scumbag routine here.)

Scweighofer - 3(Very shticky but it mostly worked for me mainly in some of his interactions with Hardwick.)

Arnedzeder - 4(Probably the most interesting part of the film even though really her part is purely expository she manages to really make the most out of that in every little kind of riff she gives, while also wholly delivering with the badass presence she brings.)

Sanada - (Sadly wasted.)

Dillahunt - 3(Better scumbag routine, though he's not quite Paul Reiser.)

Notaro - 3.5(Particularly impressive when considering the backstory, to which I honestly didn't notice at all. Part of that goes to some amazing technology, but also just her performance. She wholly seems attached and manages to find the right comic riffs in there, with just enough of a kind of sense of emotional conflict in there.)

Castillo - 3(Again his performance is define by small moments, and he does well with them in capturing a bit of comedy or emotion here or there.)

Tahmeed:

A funny scene, particularly the Elijah Wood punchline, with properly self-aggrandizing and pompous delivery from Radcliffe there.

HTT:

I think it really comes down to your interpretation of the film, as Cardinale is the only one who has even close to "dominating" screen time. Is the film about Frank as this relic? Maybe. Or is it about Harmonica's revenge and Frank is supporting to that? Maybe. He's my #2 in either category.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Ramirez: Javier Bardem

Bautista or Jason Momoa for the Kurgan

I'm cool with Cavill.

Tim:

The Devil Wears is pretty much exactly what it is trying to be. This as this very generalized version of the fashion world, built around mainly having scenes of the purposefully extreme boss, and a simple morality tale of being one's self. It doesn't have any great insight into the fashion world to say, nor even in the idea of a moral quandary. It even removes any of the slightly more dramatic elements of the novel to create a very general audience type of entertainment...and well given the boxoffice mission accomplished. I'll say though it doesn't lie about this approach in the least within the screenplay it plays directly into in tone, intention and approach. And in that type of film, which I'll admit I'm less the mark for, there is more than some objective success in terms of the comic moments, and the overall structure of the piece.

Matt Mustin said...

Fonda's placement is a tricky one, because he's not in a lot of scenes, but all of the scenes he is in, I feel like he leads them.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Has Winslet gone up to a 4.5 for Little Children and a 4 for Titanic.

She was a 4 for Steve Jobs and a 4.5 for Hamlet.

Lucas Saavedra said...

Louis: what are your thoughts on Bennett Miller's direction of Foxcatcher?

Ytrewq Wertyq said...

Louis, your cast and director for 70s Uncut Gems and 2010s The Sunshine Boys?

Bryan L. said...

Ytrewq: Louis & Calvin discussed a 70s Uncut Gems cast here (actoroscar.blogspot.com/2019/12/alternate-best-supporting-actor-1999_21.html?m=1)

BRAZINTERMA said...

Louis: Tell your TOP7 of the best posters of: 2001, 2003, 2005, 2008, 2011, 2016 and 2017

Calvin Law said...

Louis: What are your thoughts on Michael Mann's direction to Collateral? Forgotten how much I loved his work there after rewatching it last night.

Stefan: I liked him a lot, haven't seen much of his work overall but certainly found him very endearing here.

Tim said...

Calvin: Don't! Don't watch more of his other work! For the love of your sanity!

Louis Morgan said...

Lucas:

I feel I gave those somewhat recently.

Ytrewq:

The Sunshine Boys directed by Ben Stiller

Willy Clark: Charles Grodin
Al Lewis: Dominic Chianese
Ben Clark: Ben Stiller

Brazinterma:

2001:

1. Spirited Away (Japanese)
2. LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring (River)
3. The Royal Tenenbaums
4. Sexy Beast (Shadow)
5. Donnie Darko
6. Ocean's Eleven (Stylized)
7. The Others

2003:

1. Memories of Murder (Tunnel)
2. Memories of Murder (Picture)
3. Finding Nemo (Shark)
4. Big Fish
5. Kill Bill
6. LOTR: The Return of the King (Painted)
7. Oldboy

2005:

1. Sympathy for Lady Vengeance
2. A Bittersweet Life
3. Lord of War (Bullet Man)
4. Batman Begins (Standing)
5. Cache (Wound)
6. Everything is Illuminated
7. War of the World (Hand)

2008:

1. The Dark Knight (Joker's Back)
2. Cloverfield
3. Synecdoche New York
4. Man on Wire
5. The Bank Job (Retro)
6. Wall-E (Looking UP)
7. The Good the Bad The Weird (Showdown)

2011:

1. The Devil's Double
2. Melancholia (wedding dress)
3. Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (Smiley)
4. The Artist
5. Drive
6. Midnight in Paris (Van Gogh)
7. The Ides of March

2016:

1. Jackie (Red)
2. Silence (Beach)
3. La La Land (dance)
4. Moonlight (three faces in one)
5. A Monster Calls
6. The Love Witch
7. The Neon Demon (Bleeding Dress)

2017:

1. Phantom Thread (Admiring)
2. Get Out (Black and White)
3. Logan (Hand)
4. The Last Jedi (Teaser)
5. The Shape of Water
6. John Wick 2 (All guns)
7. Alien Covenant (Teaser)

Louis Morgan said...

Calvin:

My favorite Mann direction with ease. The film in a way is one of a king, as it is maybe the only film where I actually love the digital aesthetic, where I think it actually serves the nature of the film, and never detracts to coming off as a kind of bad tape. It just fits within the atmosphere of the piece that Mann so brilliantly explores here as this feeling of a long night, any long night, in a city that dominants the piece. A kind of faux naturalism can easily fall on its face, but here it is exceptional how the choice here makes you very much feel within Foxx's character's experience throughout the film, this just hanging around this cab through a terrible night. As an action thriller work, this is just amazing work by Mann I think through his understanding of pace and style here that is amazing. This as Mann really actually plays around with a lot of choices each though are just exceptional. This as there are moments he plays so quietly in the violence "That my briefcase homie" that are extremely effective in how sudden the violence feels, or the centerpiece of the nightclub that is much more overt in the "set piece" of it all, yet there then it feels equally potent and earned. This is through that balance. Although I think it is also important is that Mann is not in a rush to get past the essential character moments between Maxx and Vincent that makes the film more than a taut action thriller. The fact he gives time for Vincent's brilliant "some day my dream will come" speech in the third act, shows the right understanding of patience but also understanding of what is essential in his story. Also there are just fantastic little choices throughout though like the sound of the gun shots that again help to craft the immersive atmosphere, or just the shot of the coyote that I love so much.

Varri said...

Louis, is there a chance that Eric Bana could go up to 5 for chopper? I think it is a brilliant idiosyncratic performance.

Lucas Saavedra said...

Louis: you gave your thoughts on the screenplay and the cinematography, but not on the direction.

Anonymous said...

Louis: If First Reformed were made in the 1950s, would Karl Malden be your choice for the role of Pastor Toller?

And if Amadeus were remade in the 2020s, would Paul Dano and Michael Keaton be your choice, or at least good choices, for Amadeus and Salieri? Who would be your choices for Amadeus and Salieri in this decade if not?

Louis Morgan said...

Unknown:

Probably not.

Lucas:

Well Miller's direction is where I think his style of a filmmaker most suited his material. This as he has a detached though emotive kind of approach as a director. As a director here he finds a fascinating kind of perspective within the sports movie, this as he carries a purposeful distance and detachment within the material that is atypical to the genre. This in turn though creating a more unnerving and unlikely kind of story at hand. The sport is part of it but it isn't defined by it. He instead examines the forces kind of around it, this emphasized through the downright sort of chilly atmosphere he crafts where you can almost feel the cold of the landscapes he keeps in few beyond any given event so you know it is just part of the world. I think key though is in all of this is the way he really films every interaction between the three central men, even with his one major mistake in casting Carell. The work though there is marvelous though in the way he frames Du Pont usually at this examiners point even as he's putting his feelings out there with Mark, this against Dave who is always so close to Mark and connecting with him in that of a warm embrace or at least a closeness. There's a real thought really in the composition of every moment that makes the relationships all the more dynamic. A great example of this approach is the major scene of Du Pont's mother, the importance of the scene is all in how Miller's creates the juxtaposition within the moment of the mother's quiet disregard if not shame, and the son just failing again as a son in his eyes.

Anonymous:

He'd certainly work.

Keaton would be FAR too old at this point.

Paul Dano or Ben Whishaw for Mozart.

Perhaps Liev Schreiber as Salieri.

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