Psifonian: I'm mostly rating Denzel low because it made Louis' bottom ten films of 2017, which is never a good sign. Im sure he gives a performance better than the film itself.
If Psifonian is backing Denzel, I feel comfortable bumping him up in my prediction:
1. Daniel Kaluuya (It's a risk but I'd be pleasantly surprised) 2. Daniel Day-Lewis 3. Gary Oldman 4. Denzel Washington 5. Timothee Chalamet
Psifonian: Have you seen Roman J. Israel Esq? Because I saw it a few days ago and even though the film was kind of lame, I was impressed at how naturally Denzel was able to pull off a virtually charmless dork. I could see him getting a 4 or even a soft 4.5.
I feel Louis will end up liking Chalamet more than the film, maybe Denzel too. Definitely feel he's going to go lower on Stuhlbarg and Hammer than the rest of us.
Michael: Yes, I saw it today, actually. There’s maybe two or three solid movies (and perhaps one really good one) that one can glean from the unfocused, unwieldy mess that is Roman J. Israel, Esq. The finished product, however, feels very much like the cinematic equivalent of how others view Roman’s class-action legal leviathan: it’s messy and malformed. It stands in stark contrast to Nightcrawler and even Michael Clayton, which possessed scripts that were watertight and perfectly calibrated.
All of this is a shame, because Washington is at his most committed here. There are times I feel he’s trying to riff on James Stewart, right down to Jimmy’s trademark stutter and gentle anxiety. Roman J. Israel is a fascinating character, one that would have—and should have—been better served by a stronger screed from Gilroy. I am not annoyed by Washington’s nomination (of the four Oscar nominees for Best Actor I’ve seen, I’d rate him second; I'm seeing DDL tomorrow), and indeed between this and Fences, I’ve come to really appreciate lion-in-winter Washington.
Even beyond Washington’s work, there are glimmers of promise. Farrell is good when he’s on-screen, but the film doesn’t seem to know what to do with his character. At times he’s benevolent, at others he’s antagonistic, and I can’t really understand his character’s arc much of the time. Apparently his scenes were the ones that really bore the brunt of the post-TIFF editing, and it shows. Carmen Ejogo, normally charming, feels utterly superfluous to the story and I feel much of the film stalls whenever she’s on-screen. Also, the first half of the film really drags ass; it starts getting snappy when he collects his payout, but I never felt the film really gave us enough meat to Roman’s dilemma in accepting it, and the exploration into the damage it did to his legal and moral standing feels rather cursory.
All in all, I’m disappointed in Gilroy’s sophomore effort (making me fear that Nightcrawler’s brilliance is a fluke), but if anything about the film deserved to get nominated, it was Washington. I don't blame Louis if he ranks it so low, but the performance is strong and rises above the film around him so much that you almost have to credit him extra just for making it bearable to begin with.
I'll say I that I completely agree with the supporting actor line up and honestly wouldn't mind seeing Rockwell, Harrelson or Dafoe take the prize.
For best actor, I'm going to say: 1) Day-Lewis 2) Kaluuya 3) Oldman 4) Chalamet 5) Washington
From what I can tell Louis seems to always like Day-Lewis when he goes for a more understated approach, like "Lincoln" or "Age of Innocence". I can see Kaluuya and Oldman being valued for the challenges they faced, while Chalamet should be at least solid. That leaves the wild card Washington, who could either be really impressive or, more likely, really externalized.
I forgot to mention this a little bit ago, but I finished Game of Thrones season 4, and Peter Dinklage is very easily my MVP of that season, which says a lot considering how brilliant Rory McCann is as well.
Anyone else feel that Mel Gibson would've been a great Frank Booth in the 2000s, with Marion Cotillard as Dorothy? I've always felt that the character should be played by an actor with an inherent coolness that could use said coolness with an intensive bent, but that could be just how I see it.
RatedRStar: What would be your updated 2001 supporting lineup. Bettany is a certainty along with Gandolfini. For the other two slots, perhaps Courtenay & Hoskins from Last Orders and maybe someone from Waking Life.
And to Louis, the nominees of ALTERNATE BEST ACTOR are: - James Franco in The Disaster Artist - James McAvoy in Split - Harry Dean Stanton in Lucky - Tom Hanks in The Post - Vladimir Brichta in Bingo (the film may not have pleased Academy, but please Louis give this incredible actor a chance)
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I think will ranking will be:
1. Day-Lewis
2. Oldman
3. Kaluuya
4. Chalamet
5. Washington
*your ranking
1. Kaluuya
2. Day-Lewis
3. Chalamet
4. Oldman
5. Washington
Just to reiterate my prediciton, I guess:
1. Day-Lewis
2. Kaluuya
3. Oldman
4. Chalamet
5. Washington (no question about this placement)
1. Day-Lewis
2. Kaluuya
3. Oldman
4. Chalamet
5. Washington
I'd rank the performances I've seen:
Kaluuya - 5
Oldman - 5
Chalamet - 4.5
1. Day-Lewis
2. Kaluuya
3. Oldman
4. Chalamet
5. Washington
1. Day-Lewis
2. Oldman
3. Kaluuya
4. Chalamet
5. Washington
1. Day-Lewis
2. Oldman
3. Kaluuya
4. Chalamet
5. Washington
By the way, I didn't really make it clear in the last thread, but Robbie is very much my Best Actress choice now and I loved the film itself.
As said before:
1. Day-Lewis
2. Kaluuya
3. Washington
4. Chalamet
5. Oldman
I think a lot of you are underrating Denzel here.
1. Day-Lewis
2. Oldman
3. Chalamet
4. Kaluuya
5. Washington
Psifonian: I'm mostly rating Denzel low because it made Louis' bottom ten films of 2017, which is never a good sign. Im sure he gives a performance better than the film itself.
Calvin: That's the only reason I predicted a 3 for him, yet I hope he exceeds my expectations.
I could see him go as high as a 4, tbh. Stranger things have happened.
1.Day-Lewis
2.Oldman
3.Kaluuya
4.Chalamet
5.Washington
If Psifonian is backing Denzel, I feel comfortable bumping him up in my prediction:
1. Daniel Kaluuya (It's a risk but I'd be pleasantly surprised)
2. Daniel Day-Lewis
3. Gary Oldman
4. Denzel Washington
5. Timothee Chalamet
Psifonian: Have you seen Roman J. Israel Esq? Because I saw it a few days ago and even though the film was kind of lame, I was impressed at how naturally Denzel was able to pull off a virtually charmless dork. I could see him getting a 4 or even a soft 4.5.
I feel Louis will end up liking Chalamet more than the film, maybe Denzel too. Definitely feel he's going to go lower on Stuhlbarg and Hammer than the rest of us.
Calvin: A 4 for Stuhlbarg and a 4/4.5 for Hammer.
Michael: Yes, I saw it today, actually. There’s maybe two or three solid movies (and perhaps one really good one) that one can glean from the unfocused, unwieldy mess that is Roman J. Israel, Esq. The finished product, however, feels very much like the cinematic equivalent of how others view Roman’s class-action legal leviathan: it’s messy and malformed. It stands in stark contrast to Nightcrawler and even Michael Clayton, which possessed scripts that were watertight and perfectly calibrated.
All of this is a shame, because Washington is at his most committed here. There are times I feel he’s trying to riff on James Stewart, right down to Jimmy’s trademark stutter and gentle anxiety. Roman J. Israel is a fascinating character, one that would have—and should have—been better served by a stronger screed from Gilroy. I am not annoyed by Washington’s nomination (of the four Oscar nominees for Best Actor I’ve seen, I’d rate him second; I'm seeing DDL tomorrow), and indeed between this and Fences, I’ve come to really appreciate lion-in-winter Washington.
Even beyond Washington’s work, there are glimmers of promise. Farrell is good when he’s on-screen, but the film doesn’t seem to know what to do with his character. At times he’s benevolent, at others he’s antagonistic, and I can’t really understand his character’s arc much of the time. Apparently his scenes were the ones that really bore the brunt of the post-TIFF editing, and it shows. Carmen Ejogo, normally charming, feels utterly superfluous to the story and I feel much of the film stalls whenever she’s on-screen. Also, the first half of the film really drags ass; it starts getting snappy when he collects his payout, but I never felt the film really gave us enough meat to Roman’s dilemma in accepting it, and the exploration into the damage it did to his legal and moral standing feels rather cursory.
All in all, I’m disappointed in Gilroy’s sophomore effort (making me fear that Nightcrawler’s brilliance is a fluke), but if anything about the film deserved to get nominated, it was Washington. I don't blame Louis if he ranks it so low, but the performance is strong and rises above the film around him so much that you almost have to credit him extra just for making it bearable to begin with.
Psifonian: You know, I think I might be in total agreement with you on this one.
Well I showed up a little late but no matter...
I'll say I that I completely agree with the supporting actor line up and honestly wouldn't mind seeing Rockwell, Harrelson or Dafoe take the prize.
For best actor, I'm going to say:
1) Day-Lewis
2) Kaluuya
3) Oldman
4) Chalamet
5) Washington
From what I can tell Louis seems to always like Day-Lewis when he goes for a more understated approach, like "Lincoln" or "Age of Innocence". I can see Kaluuya and Oldman being valued for the challenges they faced, while Chalamet should be at least solid. That leaves the wild card Washington, who could either be really impressive or, more likely, really externalized.
1. Oldman
2. Day-Lewis
3. Chalamet
4. Kaluuya
5. Washington
Winning request: John Randolph in Seconds
Rock Hudson was also good, but Randolph made a bigger impact on me
Winning Request: Brandon Lee in The Crow
1. Day-Lewis
2. Oldman
3. Kaluuya
4. Chalamet
5. Washington
I forgot to mention this a little bit ago, but I finished Game of Thrones season 4, and Peter Dinklage is very easily my MVP of that season, which says a lot considering how brilliant Rory McCann is as well.
1. Daniel Day-Lewis
2. Daniel Kaluuya
3. Gary Oldman
4. Timothée Chalamet
5. Denzel Washington
Day-Lewis
Kaluuya
Chalamet
Oldman
Washington
1. Day-Lewis
2. Kaluuya
3. Oldman
4. Chalamet
5. Washington
Louis: Really hope Kaluuya's review screenshot will be from that now-iconic scene :)
Oldman or Day Lewis
1. Oldman
2. Day-Lewis
3. Chalamet
4. Kaluuya
5. Washington
1. Day-Lewis
2. Kaluuya
3. Oldman
4. Chalamet
5. Washington
Anyone else feel that Mel Gibson would've been a great Frank Booth in the 2000s, with Marion Cotillard as Dorothy? I've always felt that the character should be played by an actor with an inherent coolness that could use said coolness with an intensive bent, but that could be just how I see it.
1) Day-Lewis
2) Oldman
3) Kaluuya
4) Chalamet
5) Washington
1. Day-Lewis
2. Kaluuya
3. Oldman
4. Chalamet
5. Washington
I just dont believe that Washington was better than Chalamet or Oldman, I just do not believe that Washington deserves a 5 there is no way lol.
Louis: Given how much you loved the series, I was wondering, have you read Stephen King's novel 11/22/63?
1.Lewis
2.Oldmam
3.Kaluuya
4.Chalamet
5.Washington
My winning request is Ross Martin - An Experiment in Terror.
Since I am prepared for Washington getting a good score potentially, I thought I will request a performance from a film that also got meh reviews.
Hayden Christensen - Life as A House (Golden Globe and SAG nominated so obviously he is good....right..)
2001 supporting is so weak as well that I might as well have him in.
RatedRStar: What would be your updated 2001 supporting lineup. Bettany is a certainty along with Gandolfini. For the other two slots, perhaps Courtenay & Hoskins from Last Orders and maybe someone from Waking Life.
Or Gary Oldman in Hannibal.
Luke: Pretty much.
Louis: Is your favourite Ian Bannen performance from Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy.
Matt:
I have not.
Luke:
Guinness is my favorite, though Bannen is a very close second.
1. Day-Lewis
2. Kaluuya
3. Chalamet
4. Oldman
5. Washington
And to Louis, the nominees of ALTERNATE BEST ACTOR are:
- James Franco in The Disaster Artist
- James McAvoy in Split
- Harry Dean Stanton in Lucky
- Tom Hanks in The Post
- Vladimir Brichta in Bingo (the film may not have pleased Academy, but please Louis give this incredible actor a chance)
1 - Oldman
2 - Day Lewis
3 - Kaluuya
4 - Chalamet
5 - Washington
1 - Day Lewis
2 - Kaluuya
3 - Oldman
4 - Chalamet
5 - Washington
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