Monday 22 October 2018

Alternate Best Actor 1987

And the Nominees Were Not:

Cary Elwes in The Princess Bride

Joe Mantegna in House of Games

Richard E. Grant in Withnail and I

Steve Martin in Roxanne

Gaspard Manesse in Au Revoir Les Enfants

Predict those five, these five or both.

Mickey Rourke in Angel Heart

Terry O'Quinn in The Stepfather

Klaus Kinski in Cobra Verde

Martin Short in Innerspace

Christian Bale in Empire of the Sun

73 comments:

Robert MacFarlane said...

1. Grant
2. Elwes
3. Manasse
4. Mantegna
5. Martin

1. Rourke
2. Bale
3. O’Quinn
4. Kinski
5. Short

Mitchell Murray said...

1) Grant, 2) Martin, 3) Manesse, 4) Elwes, 5) Mantegna

1) Rourke, 2) Bale, 3) O'Quinn, 4) Kinski, 5) Short

Robert MacFarlane said...

Louis: Going by his performance in The Prestige, do you think Andy Serkis could have played some Ernest Borgnine roles?

Bryan L. said...

Louis: I indeed meant Officer K regarding the last post haha. I asked about Brando because he was in a rut before The Godfather, kind of like Depp before Black Mass, and he would've played the part during the 70s I think. And I asked about Clift because I have noticed he did have the needed intensity for the role, and him doing a 180 from his earnest characters could've been incredible.

Lastly, your 2010s director and choices for the two leads in Heaven Knows, Mr. Allison?

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the production design and sound mixing of All the President's Men.

Anonymous said...

Louis: your top 10 dean norris acting moments

Anonymous said...

Louis: Can I get a list of the people you're saving for the 2018 alternates so far?

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Elle Fanning in Galveston.

Luke Higham said...

And your rating for her as well.

Your rating for Diane Keaton in Love And Death.

Bryan L. said...

Anonymous: Here's the list so far, from what I've gathered. I might be forgetting one though

Michael B. Jordan in Black Panther
Josh Brolin and Chris Hemsworth (reevaluation) in Avengers: Infinity War
Alex Wolff in Hereditary
Anton Yelchin in Thoroughbreds
Ben Foster in Galveston and Leave No Trace
Lakeith Stanfield in Sorry to Bother You
Adam Driver and John David Washington in BlackKkKklansman
Nicolas Cage and Linus Roache in Mandy
Jeff Bridges and Bill Pullman Jr. in Bad Times at the El Royale

Not to mention the likely nominees (Gosling, Cooper, maybe Redford)

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Could Douglas go up for Wall Street.

Films To Watch

Wall Street (Possible Upgrade for Douglas)
Fatal Attraction (Re-watch for Glenn Close)
Near Dark
Evil Dead II
Walker (Ed Harris)
Prince Of Darkness (Donald Pleasence)
Hellraiser
Escape From Sobibor (TV, Alan Arkin/Rutger Hauer)
Bad Taste
Babette's Feast
Blind Chance (Kieślowski)
The Witches Of Eastwick
The Dead (John Huston's last film)
Opera (Dario Argento)
Radio Days
Maurice (James Ivory)
Where Is My Friend's House?
Boyfriends And Girlfriends (Eric Rohmer)
The Hidden (Kyle MacLachlan)
A Chinese Ghost Story
City On Fire
The Brave Little Toaster
Housekeeping
84 Charing Cross Road (Bancroft/Hopkins)
The Gate
Some Kind Of Wonderful
The Year My Voice Broke (Noah Taylor)
Theow Momma From The Train
Anguish
Comrades
A Better Tomorrow II
Law Of Desire
La Bamba
Yeelen
September
Three O'Clock High
Under The Sun Of Satan (Gerard Depardieu)
Hamburger Hill
A Month In The Country
White Of The Eye
Prison (Viggo Mortensen)
Beatrice (Julie Delpy)
Daughter Of The Nile
The Belly Of An Architect
Someone To Watch Over Me (Ridley Scott)
The Last Of England (Jarman/Swinton)
I’ve Heard The Mermaids Singing
China Girl
Best Seller (James Woods)
Orphans
Tin Men
Pathfinder
The Whales Of August (Davis/Gish)
The Sicilian
Suspect
The Fourth Protocol
Born Of Fire
Nuts
A Prayer For The Dying (Mickey Rourke)
An Autumn's Tale
Wish You Were Here
The Family
High Tide
Masques
Family Viewing
The Quick And The Dead (Sam Elliott)

Luke Higham said...

Louis: I think you've started this year at the right time. Since you've been really busy of late, I don't see you doing 2013 before the Oscar nominations.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: For the 2018 Lead bonus round, you don't mind if I request a few performances that may end up on the overall or only just missed out on the Alternate 10.

Luke Higham said...

1. Grant
2. Manesse
3. Elwes
4. Martin
5. Mantegna

1. Rourke
2. O'Quinn
3. Bale
4. Kinski
5. Short

RatedRStar said...

Luke: I am not sure Douglas deserves to be upgraded for Wall Street, its one of them performances I think that would have got a higher mark if Louis was doing this in the 80s than right now.

1. Grant
2. Elwes
3. Manasse
4. Martin
5. Mantegna

1. Rourke
2. O’Quinn
3. Bale
4. Kinski
5. Short

RatedRStar said...

It is nice 2 see ten reviews lol I hope your ready Master Morgan.

Charles H said...

Bale & Elwes will go up in the rankings for sure. This is a tricky line to predict.

1. Grant
2. Elwes
3. Manasse
4. Martin
5. Mantegna

1. Rourke
2. Bale
3. O’Quinn
4. Kinski
5. Short

Maciej said...

1.Elwes
2.Mantegna
3.Grant
4.Martin
5.Manesse

1.Rourke
2.Kinski
3.Bale
4.O'Quinn
5.Short

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

1. Grant
2. Elwes
3. Manesse
4. Martin
5. Mantegna

1. Rourke
2. O'Quinn
3. Bale
4. Kinski
5. Short

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

To everyone who's seen or heard the Hamilton soundtrack , what's your favourite song? Mine is 'Non-Stop'.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Although he has like a minute of screen time, could I have your thoughts on Bill Bolender in The Shawshank Redemption.

Emi Grant said...

1. Rourke
2. Bale
3. O'Quinn
4. Kisnki
5. Short

1. Grant
2. Elwes
3. Manesse
4. Mantin
5. Mantegna

Luke Higham said...

I predict at least 4.5s for all but Short and Mantegna who'll get a 4-4.5 and a likely five for Rourke.

Luke Higham said...

1. Grant
2. Elwes
3. Manesse
4. Martin
5. Mantegna

Luke Higham said...

Louis: What did you think of Shivers.

Luke Higham said...

And Love And Death.

Luke Higham said...

Lastly, I hope you'll start off with Manesse and Bale.

Anonymous said...

1. Grant
2. Elwes
3. Manesse
4. Martin
5. Mantegna

1. Rourke
2. Bale
3. O’Quinn
4. Kinski
5. Short

RatedRStar said...

Luke: Short I reckon will get a 4, he was really enjoyable to watch in a pretty fun film.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Could you also watch Anna, The Lonely Passion Of Judith Hearn (Maggie Smith/Bob Hoskins), Gaby: A True Story, My Life As A Dog (Lasse Hallstrom was nominated for Best Director), Dirty Dancing and Baby Boom (Diane Keaton).

Luke Higham said...

Guys, what do you think of Jack Nicholson in The Witches Of Eastwick.

John Smith said...

1. Grant
2. Elwes
3. Mantegna
4. Manse
5. Martin

1. Rourke
2. O'Quinn
3. Bale
4. Kinski
5. Short

Matt Mustin said...

I'm hearing that Thomasin McKenzie is potentially being campaigned in Supporting for Leave No Trace, which, if true, is all-time category fraud.

Calvin Law said...

Matt: She is. That's absolutely ridiculous but oh well, back to the age old argument of how she's 'supporting' the film. Unfortunately it looks like it really might walk away empty handed in terms of nominations (outside of maybe an Adapted Screenplay nom).

1. Grant (I don't even love the film but he gives an astonishing performance
2. Elwes
3. Manesse
4. Martin
5. Mantegna

1. Rourke
2. Bale
3. O'Quinn
4. Short
5. Kinski

Calvin Law said...

And I'm almost 100% that Lone is keeping his win.

Louis Morgan said...

Robert:

Well now that you mention, oddly yes, particularly Marty and Dutch.

Bryan:

Carey Mulligan, and Mathias Schoeanearts directed by Doug Liman.

Luke:

Fanning - 4(Excelling once again with that ugly cry, which she deserves all the credit for pulling it off. Sadly she is a bit shafted by the narrative that seems like it is going to be a two-hander yet it defers far more often to Foster. This keeps Fanning at a distance however even with this she is compelling, as usual, in creating the sense of the character's desperation. She brings the right rawness within this however I like how she doesn't become overbearing in this creating a certain sense of confidence within the character's actions that I wish the film had allowed her to explore more of.)

Keaton's a 4.5, very Irene Dunnesque.

No.

Well, I'll admit I wouldn't want to fill up 2018 so soon, though if say you really want to secure Ethan Hawke a spot for example, I wouldn't mind too much.

Love and Death is simply a hoot. Bergman and Tolstoy might seem like a strange pair for parody, but Allen makes quite the go of it perhaps making his most overtly funny film.

Shivers is a great example of what makes Halloween so great, as a fellow very low budget horror film. There are some memorable sequences here and there as per usual for Cronenberg, but it becomes rather repetitive very quickly due to its lack of a proper narrative or really even a protagonist.

Anonymous:

The production design is just a great example of intense attention to detail in historical replication. Of only a few years off, yet they took the time to get everything just about right.

The sound mixing is an interesting thing to focus on for such a film, but it is indeed a film with some particularly impressive mixing. This is in a low key way, yet a way that is paramount to the film. This being just the scant sounds in the meeting with deep throat that create such unease, or the brilliant work in the long take scene with juxtaposition of Redford's calls against tv playing the Republican convention.

Anonymous:

Norris:

1. "You're the smartest Guy I have ever met"
2. Closing the Garage
3. One Minute
4. Panic Attack
5. Very awkward lunch
6. Attacking Jesse
7. Reading on the toilet
8. Admitting his anxieties
9. Making the arrest
10. Making the case against Gus

Anonymous:

Bryan covered it except for other likely nominee in Sam Elliott.

Tahmeed:

Pretty terrifying if only for a minute, does a great demented glee that manages to leave an impression which notable all things considered.

Anonymous said...

Louis cast and director for 1970's Bad Times At the El Royale?

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Bad Times At The El Royale 1970's directed by John Huston:

Father Flynn: Robert Mitchum
Darlene Sweet: Diana Ross
Emily Summerspring: Susan Sarandon
Laramie Sullivan: Tom Skerritt
Rose Summerspring: Melanie Griffith
Miles Miller: Brad Dourif
Billy Lee: Jack Nicholson

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the screenplay of The Tin Star. Kinda interesting how this film also got a nomination for its screenplay.

Charles H said...

Lone will be extremely difficult to beat for the overall.

Matt Mustin said...

I saw First Man. Amazing film.

Gosling-5
Foy-4.5
Clarke-3.5
Chandler-3(I guess it's pretty much a requirement to have him in this kind of role)
Stoll-3

Everyone else is good with the roles they're given.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: More detailed thoughts on Keaton in Love And Death and is she Lead or Supporting.

Luke Higham said...

And I greatly appreciate it Louis.

Bohemian Rhapsody has mixed reviews as expected though I've read it's pretty bare boned which shouldn't hinder Malek greatly but if it's not a complex enough portrayal (No fault of Malek's) then I'm gonna go off the idea of wanting him reviewed. So rest assured Louis, I'm pretty sure you'll be able to review Hawke for the Alternate 10.

Techno said...

1. Grant
2. Elwes
3. Martin
4. Mantegna
5. Manesse

1. Rourke
2. Bale
3. O’Quinn
4. Kinski
5. Short

moviefilm said...

1) Grant
2) Martin
3) Elwes
4) Mantegna
5) Manesse

1) Kinski
2) Bale
3) O'Quinn
4) Rourke
5) Short

Calvin Law said...

I'm predicting that Malek will get in, but also that it'll be more of an impressive rather than great performance.

Razor said...

1. Grant
2. Elwes
3. Martin
4. Manesse
5. Mantegna

1. Rourke
2. O'Quinn
3. Bale
4. Kinski
5. Short

Bryan L. said...

Louis: Your rating and thoughts on Christina Hendricks in Drive? I've noticed that everyone else in the cast has a pretty good ranking in the 2011 overall, and you also have Mulligan as a 4. I'm just wondering if the film just barely missed making your Top 10 ensembles of the decade, or if Hendricks is a "Zoe Bell in The Hateful Eight" type of situation, that's all.

RatedRStar said...

If Malek gets in at SAG then I think he definitely gets nominated, pretty much everything positive about his film is all him, which was expected.

RatedRStar said...

Another advantage for Malek is that he seems to campaigning quite hard, he seems to be everywhere.

Luke Higham said...

Bryan: Mulligan's a 4.5. She was upgraded awhile back.

RatedRStar: I reckon he'd get in ahead of Dafoe at this point.

Calvin: I don't mind him being reviewed from that perspective, if he could get a 4.5, I'll be happy.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Hawke is a must for the alternates though if Huston misses out, I'll request him later on since it's too interesting a role not to examine in further detail in future. I'll do the same for Paddy Considine in Journeyman if you see him during the alternates.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Was Mulligan a 4 for Never Let Me Go? I saw it for the first time a few months ago and thought she was wonderful in spite of the movie being crap.

Luke Higham said...

Robert: She's a 4.

Bryan L. said...

Luke: Even better :D

RatedRStar: He's also the lead in a high-profile television series, so that could also help his chances I think.

Robert: What'd you think of Garfield btw? The only thing I remember of him in the movie is his scream at the end, and I also didn't care much for the film.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Bryan: He’s... kind of terrible, to be honest? He falls into the same pit as the rest of the film in that he begs for sympathy rather than earn it. A lot of times it feels like he doesn’t trust the audience to sympathize with his plight and telegraphs it with mannerism. Granted, I have a feeling that’s how he was directed considering the entire ordeal is hammered down with awards-ready violins and soft lighting camerawork. Mulligan I suppose benefits from her array of reaction shots to internalize her character’s emotions that he isn’t, so I could say this one isn’t entirely Garfield’s fault.

Bryan L. said...

Robert: Hhmmm I know you definitely weren't big on him in his Oscar-nominated role either but I can see your points on this one.

Michael McCarthy said...

1. Richard E. Grant
2. Steve Martin
3. Cary Elwes
4. Joe Mantegna
5. Gaspard Manesse

1. Mickey Rourke
2. Christian Bale
3. Terry O’Quinn
4. Martin Short
5. Klaus Kinski

Charles H said...

I'd say Malek's chances of getting in are very high despite his film being the lowest rated out of all of the contenders so far.

Bryan L. said...

1. Grant
2. Elwes
3. Manesse
4. Martin
5. Mantegna

1. Rourke
2. O'Quinn
3. Bale
4. Kinski
5. Short

Luke Higham said...

Michael: Your ratings for Elwes, Rourke, Mantegna, O'Quinn, Grant, Kinski, Martin, Short, Manesse and Bale.

Luke Higham said...

Saw Bohemian Rhapsody. The Theory Of Everything of the 18-19 awards season. I take back what I said earlier on Malek and look forward to his likely review. I'd give him a 4.5.

JackiBoyz said...

1. Grant
2. Elwes
3. Manesse
4. Martin
5. Mantegna

1. Rourke
2. Bale
3. O'Quinn
4. Kinski
5. Short

Michael McCarthy said...

Elwes: 4.5
Rourke: 5
Mantegna: 4
O’Quinn: 4.5
Grant: 5
Kinski: 4.5
Martin: 4.5
Short: 4.5
Manesse: 3.5
Bale: 4.5

Upgrades for O’Quinn, Martin and Bale aren’t out of the question.

Luke Higham said...

Michael: I would love it if Bale got a 5 (My request) but that 2nd five has eluded him for a long time and I'm more confident in him getting it for Out Of The Furnace or perhaps even Vice if it turns out well.

What did you think of Au Revoir Les Enfants because I've read enough reviews saying it's the best of the 3 Children in WWII films from 1987.

Luke Higham said...

1. Grant
2. Martin
3. Elwes
4. Mantegna
5. Manesse

1. Rourke
2. Bale
3. O'Quinn
4. Kinski
5. Short

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

1. Grant
2. Martin
3. Elwes
4. Mantegna
5. Manesse

My prediction for the second lineup is still the same.

Calvin Law said...

I think what’ll push Grant into a possible 5 will be his final scene. I could possibly see Louis seeing him a bit one note for the rest of his performance, though there’s definitely a lot of nuance, but his final monologue always kills me.

I love Les Enfants but could definitely see it being more of a directorial achievement. Sticking with my predictions for now though.

Luke Higham said...

I'm gonna reassess my rating predictions.

Elwes - 4.5
Rourke - 5
Mantegna - 4
O'Quinn - 4.5/5
Grant - 5
Kinski - 4.5
Martin - 4.5
Short - 4.5
Manesse - 4
Bale - 4.5/5

RatedRStar said...

I will quickly change mine slightly

1. Grant
2. Elwes
3. Martin
4. Mantegna
5. Manasse

1. Rourke
2. Bale
3. O’Quinn
4. Short
5. Kinski

RatedRStar said...

Work has been terrible for me lately, fortunately Red Dead Redemption II is here lol.

Charles H said...

It's about time Bale gets a 2nd five.

1. Grant
2. Elwes
3. Martin
4. Mantegna
5. Manasse
Predictions for the 2nd line is the same

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Keaton - (Keaton is supporting in what is such an effortlessly delightful performance from her where she thankfully gets to have as much fun as her male co-star. As proper to a Bergman protagonist really she has her own agency even when in traditional role, and Keaton is hilarious here in bringing this sort of demented intensity to the role that is always comic. She manages to be equally endearing even when completely mad in her particularly enjoyable chemistry with Allen here that is far less amorous than usual.)

Bryan:

Hendricks - 3(Not at all, she doesn't get much to do, but what she does have she does well. In being this sort of glib gun moll, then switching to a honest desperation when interrogated by the driver)