Saturday, 7 April 2018

Alternate Best Supporting Actor 2008

And the Nominees Were Not:

Jason Butler Harner in Changeling

Mathieu Amalric in A Christmas Tale

Tom Noonan in Synecdoche, New York

Lee Byung-hun in  The Good The Bad The Weird

Richard Jenkins in Step Brothers

74 comments:

Luke Higham said...

1. Byung-Hun
2. Amalric
3. Harner
4. Noonan
5. Jenkins

Charles H said...

1. Byung-Hun
2. Amalric
3. Harner
4. Noonan
5. Jenkins

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings & thoughts on Dreyfuss in W., Danny McBride in Pineapple Express, the cast of The Boy In The Striped Pyjamas, John Leguizamo in The Happening, Chen and Kaneshiro in Red Cliff Part 1 and Pearce in Traitor.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: And for the remainder of 2008, could you watch:
Eden Lake
Dean Spanley
Il Divo
Transsiberian
Everlasting Moments
Waltz With Bashir
Kung Fu Panda
The Baader Meinhof Complex
Gomorrah
The Other Boleyn Girl
RockNRolla (Tom Hardy)
And Australia

Luke Higham said...

Louis: And a re-watch of Tropic Thunder for Downey Jr. possibly going up.

Anonymous said...

1. Byung-Hun
2. Amalric
3. Harner
4. Noonan
5. Jenkins
Louis: When I asked you your top 10 missed casting opportunities, I meant potential casting choices that never happened.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Ratings and thoughts on Zooey Deschanel and Betty Buckley in the Happening?

lol

Luke Higham said...

Louis: And if there's any possibility of Pitt going up, could you re-watch Burn After Reading.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

1. Byung-Hun
2. Amalric
3. Harner
4. Noonan
5. Jenkins

Robert MacFarlane said...

1. Byung-Hun
2. Harner
3. Amalric
4. Noonan
5. Jenkins

Just curious, but does anyone else subscribe to the theory that Freddie Quell suffered a stroke at some point? Phoenix's gait and way of speaking in the film gave me that thought.

Vanna Long said...

1. Butler Harner
2. Byung-hun
3. Almaric
4. Jenkins
5. Noonan

Louis: Rating and thoughts on Michael Pitt in Funny Games, if you have seen it.

Vanna Long said...

Louis: Also Jérémie Renier in Lorna's Silence

Anonymous said...

Louis: Rating and thoughts on Gene Tierney in The Secret of Convict Lake, Evelyn Keyes in The Prowler and Virginia Mayo in Along the Great Divide.

Michael McCarthy said...

I haven’t seen A Christmas Tale, and I’m probably the only white male in my generation who has never watched Step Brothers all the way through. But I can pretty much guarantee I’ll be picking Lee to win.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Step Brothers is... what you thin k it is, but I laughed with Jenkins basically every time he was on screen.

Bryan L said...

Louis: Which modern actors, if any, do you think are most comparable to Steve McQueen? I'm thinking Jeremy Renner and Ryan Gosling in his stoic roles.

Emi Grant said...

1.Harner
2.Lee
3.Amalric
4.Noonan
5.Jenkins

Bryan L said...

1. Byung-Hun
2. Harner
3. Noonan
4. Amalric
5. Jenkins

Matt Mustin said...

1. Byung-Hun
2. Harner
3. Amalric
4. Noonan
5. Jenkins (he's the best part of a movie that's not hard to be the best part of)

Matt Mustin said...

I think Jenkins is actually better in Burn After Reading, to be honest.

Calvin Law said...

Robert: I think you're onto something there.

1. Byung-Hun
2. Harner
3. Noonan
4. Amalric
5. Jenkins

Out of the ones I've seen I'd rank them,

1. Noonan
2. Byung-Hun/Harner (need re-watches for both)
4. Jenkins

All are really good though.

Calvin Law said...

And hoping for a possible RDJ upgrade.

Maciej said...

1. Byung-hun
2. Noonan
3. Harner
4. Jenkins
5. Almaric

RatedRStar said...

1. Byung-Hun
2. Harner
3. Noonan
4. Amalric
5. Jenkins

Anonymous said...

hah, what happened to this one?

http://actoroscar.blogspot.com/2016/03/wacky-world-of-wiseau-oscar-nominees.html

Anonymous said...

Nevermind, I found out why lol

Anonymous said...

I wonder who will Louis will like more for 1957 Best Actress: Kerr or Woodward.

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: It's Woodward vs. Kerr vs. Masina (Nights Of Cabiria) Vs. Samoylova (The Cranes Are Flying) Vs. Hara (Tokyo Twilight)

My Lead Actor prediction for 1957
1. Guinness
2. Sjöström (Wild Strawberries)
3. Douglas
4. Mifune
5. Mitchum (Heaven Knows Mr. Allison)
6. Curtis

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Luke: Is Sjostrom that good? Cause Douglas is Louis's fifth favorite leading performance from the 1950s.

Calvin Law said...

Sjöström won't top Douglas. I really like Wild Strawberries but his work in that is kind of limited by Bergman's vision IMO.

Luke Higham said...

Oh well, I'll put him in 8th then.

Anonymous said...

Luke: Your top 15 Lead Actor prediction for 1957.

Luke Higham said...

I'll stick with a top ten.
1. Guinness
2. Douglas
3. Mifune
4. Mitchum
5. Curtis
6. Laughton
7. Holden
8. Sjöström
9. Fonda
10. Quinn

Anonymous said...

Mitchum really deserves a 5 for Mr. Allison, he and Kerr are perfect together.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Is Lucky Harry Dean Stanton's career best, or is it still Paris, Texas.

Lezlie said...

1. Amalric
2. Byung-hun
3. Jenkins
4. Noonan
5. Harner

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis and everyone: What are the actors who have mainly done work on television, that you feel deserve a major film role/ be more well known. For me-

Glenn Howerton
Joel McHale (the man has charisma and charm that he used so well in Community)
Josh Radnor (His leading work in How I Met Your Mother was always consistently good, and his ability to monologue is quite special)
Dean Norris and Jonathan Banks (their work in Breaking Bad, and for Banks, Better Call Saul as well, is evidence enough of just what they're capable of)
Matt Ross

Anonymous said...

Another performance that'll be interesting to review for 1957 is Cagney's performance as Lon Chaney. Hope he gets a 4,5 for that one.

Luke Higham said...

Another one to possibly review is Alberto Sordi in I Vitelloni.

Anonymous said...

I Vitelloni came out in the UK in 1956.

JackiBoyz said...

1. Byung-Hun
2. Noonan
3. Harner
4. Amalric
5. Jenkins

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: My mistake, it's 1953.

Bryan L said...

I'm fine with any performances Louis chooses to review in the bonus rounds, though I hope he checks out We're the Millers for 2013 just for Will Poulter's performance =D

Forgot to give my reasons for my 2010s NCFOM cast

S. Craig Zahler (Bone Tomahawk is pretty much his test reel.)

Ben Foster as Llewelyn-(He obviously has the rugged, "Western boy" look needed for the part and him subverting that a bit could be great. I also want to see him collaborate with Zahler.)

Kurt Russell as Sheriff Ed Tom-(Is the right age and his character in Bone Tomahawk isn't very far off.)

Schoenaerts as Chigurh-(He looks like he could be from anywhere and can definitely be physically imposing. Same as Foster in that I want to see him work with Zahler.)

Michael Shannon as Carson Wells- (He has the right presence. Think 99 Homes, but just a tad bit more sardonic and comedic.)

Lily James- (Baby Driver, but she could definitely bring the dramatic weight necessary for her scene with Chigurh, I'd imagine.)

Matt Mustin said...

Tahmeed: Pretty much the entire cast of Game of Thrones, especially Alfie Allen.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Mickey Rourke as Eliot Ness - The Untouchables
Robert Redford as Raymond Barry - Barry Lyndon
Walter Huston as Captain Ahab - Moby Dick
David Bowie as Wallace - Blade Runner 2049
James Mason as Kingsfield - The Paper Chase
Mickey Rourke as Butch - Pulp Fiction
Mickey Rourke as Charlie Babbitt - Rain Man
Winona Ryder as Mary Corleone - The Godfather Part 3
Orson Welles as Buckingham - Richard III
Emily Blunt as Black Widow - Iron Man 2

A couple that were strictly opposed to the film but I think would have been great.

John Wayne as Willie Stark - All The King's Men
James Stewart as Senator Jarmon - The Candidate

Side Note:

Obviously love who got the parts anyways, but Toshiro Mifune would've been an amazing Obi-Wan and Mr. Miyagi.

Luke:

Dreyfuss - 4(I will say this performance so much makes me wish we had JFK Oliver Stone, or even Nixon Oliver Stone. Dreyfuss in his early scenes is pretty incredible quite frankly in realizing this sort of specific type of charisma, that isn't charming yet there is something so powerful in the personality. He has this very clever way of delivering every line with this completely unassuming yet wholly commanding persuasive quality in his work. It is fascinating and I do wish he was leading the full Cheney film, well also if Adam McKay wasn't directing it. Sadly the film doesn't make enough use of this terrific work throwing him into the back, almost expecting more of a caricature from Dreyfuss once they are reeling from the war choices. It's a shame as what he does up until then is so fascinating yet sadly is wasted by Stone, so I think can understand Dreyfuss's personal frustrations with the film particularly well.)

McBride - 3(I probably enjoyed his performance most out of the film even if it very much McBride just doing the Danny McBride thing. He does it well though to be sure bringing enough ridiculous bluster that is fairly entertaining.)

Leguizamo - 2.5(It says something very much about the film when Leguizamo gives by far the best performance in the film. That isn't to say he is all that good, but at least he's from the planet earth with his performance unlike his co-stars. He tries to make something out of the character's emotional distress, and tries to grant any reality to it as much as it is wasted on such a film.)

Thewlis - 2.5(Mostly sort of the thankless Thewlis role as to be expected. He has a little to work with at times, but even that doesn't make too much of an impact. He's mostly there just to be strict and stern, which does okay, but it doesn't add up to much.)

Farmiga - 3(Her performance also is limited by the film, which I didn't really care all that much for, in that she mostly gets just a series of either suggestive or concerned glances. All that she does fairly well I will admit but they also don't add up to much in the end.)

Scalon - 3(He's better than Butterfield and in terms of just being this broken little boy he's at least convincing in a general sense. He at least manages to moving in conveying the physical rot of the character, even if the central idea remains so underdeveloped that his performance too is so much the same.)

Louis Morgan said...

Friend - 2.5(Very standard role which is exactly what you'd expect it to be. Friend is fine in just bringing that slight swagger I suppose, but it is pretty unremarkable.)

Chen - 3.5(He very much defers his charisma in a way to his co-stars most often. He does do well in terms of kind of granting the sense of a potential great leader unrealized in his work as he creates this struggle exactly for a personal charisma, yet does suggest it ever so slightly. He has good moments in there though mostly in his quieter scenes with his sister outside of the pomp and circumstance. There he's good in showing sort of the man, behind the attempted myth, and is effective in creating the character's sense of vulnerability towards the upcoming battles.)

Kaneshiro - 4(I actually thought he out charms Leung here interestingly enough. Kaneshiro very good in kind of creating the ever so slightly greyer hero. He uses this well to kind of craft this certain cool within the role that is quite effectively realized as he brings this certain ego yet backs it up with that palatable charm. He goes ever further though in really offering a real weight through his reactions in his moments with Leung in particularly where he creates the sense of concern for the fates of those he will be fighting with.)

Pearce - 2.5(His character is sadly a little too thin for him to make much out of, and it does not help that he forgoes his usually strong American accent by going for a southern American accent. He's certainly not bad at all, but it's pretty underwhelming as Pearce performances go.)

I have already seen a few of those.

Anonymous:

Deschanel - 3Wiseaus(Her performance is something else to say the least with her vacant expressions, and equally vacant line deliveries as though she's lost all thought, I guess? It is exceptionally bizarre work until trumped by Wahlberg's performance.)

Buckley - 5Wiseaus(Are you planning on murdering her in her sleep? Eyeing her drink are you? Those are lines she says. Lines I suppose would be hard to sell, understatement, however this only amplifies their strangeness all the more. Her performance is a properly hilarious match for Wahlberg as her strange random intensity is such a great fit for Wahlberg's odd soft confusion.)

Robert:

I would say yes, but probably some sort of nerve related war injury.

Vanna:

I have not, as I feel I should watch the original first, as most seem to prefer that version.

Renier - 3.5(I like his performance however to me it goes partly towards my frustrations with the film where it takes an excessively distant approach to the material. Renier really has to do some rather subtle work to convey his character's very specific relationship that goes from sort of business admiration towards a genuine concern for the woman. I will say he does succeed in conveying this sort of change effectively despite so little focus given to it. I think it is a bit of shame the film doesn't really exploit it all to grant a bit more detail towards this which I think would likely have created a poignant film.)

Anonymous:

I feel I gave those thoughts before, I'll have a look.

Bryan:

Well no one can be the King of Cool other than McQueen, particularly his exact blend of it. I would actually Tom Cruise is the closest in terms of sort of his cinematic presence, though naturally attuned for a different time.

Tahmeed:

Both close, but I'd probably lean slightly to Paris, Texas.

Glenn Howerton and Ray Wise.

John Smith said...

1.Harner
2.Byung Hun
3.Noonan
4.Jenkins
5.Amalric

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Could I have ratings and thoughts on the casts from the films you've seen.

Louis Morgan said...

Let me hold off on that until a little later.

Luke Higham said...

Taker Squashed Cena :)

Emi Grant said...

That was unexpected

Anonymous said...

Louis: So before Menjou was cast in The Front Page, Wolheim was supposed to play Walter Burns but unfortunately passed away. How do you think he would have fared in the role? Better than Menjou?

Michael McCarthy said...

1. Lee
2. Amalric
3. Noonan
4. Harner
5. Jenkins

John Smith said...

Hawkes is fantastic in 'Smalltown Crime'

Luke Higham said...

Michael McCarthy: Your Ratings and thoughts on Jenkins, Harner, Noonan, Amalric and Byung-Hun.

RatedRStar said...

Luke: You must have loved this Wrestlemania, Cena lost, Reigns lost, happy days =D

RatedRStar said...

Louis: Interestingly whenever Takeshi Kaneshiro and Tony Leung-Chiu Wai have acted together in a film, Kaneshiro has always given the better performance, Chungking Express, Red Cliff, Confession of Pain and their drunk drink extraganza "See You Tomorrow"

RatedRStar said...

Funnily enough Leung Chiu Wai was nominated for Best Actor for 3 of them while Kaneshiro, as per usual was snubbed hard everywhere.

Luke Higham said...

RatedRStar: I was mostly happy with the winners except for Charlotte, Rollins and Mahal. I'm a bigger fan of Styles than Nakamura so I'm fine with the result. In terms of match quality, it was a mixed bag. The Mixed Tag was the highlight and Rousey's gained my respect even though I don't like her much personally and Styles/Nakamura was very disappointing.

NXT Takeover was a far superior show from the night before.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your ratings for Keir Dullea and William Sylvester in 2001?

Psifonian said...

1. Harner
2. Jenkins (ROCK THE FUCK OUT OF THOSE DRUMS, DALE!)
3. Lee
4. Noonan
5. Amalric

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Your cast for a 2010s The Wrestler.

Anonymous said...

I was rewatching The Yakuza yesterday, and thought to myself how a shame it was that Takakura never made a film with Mifune.
Louis: Your thoughts on the sound editing and sound mixing of Bonnie and Clyde and The Dark Knight.

Michael McCarthy said...

Lee: 5 (The no contest winner of this lineup for me, and he’d likely be my winner in a year where the top 2 weren’t among my all-time favorites. Lee here is very reminiscent of Tatsuya Nakadai in some of his darker roles, particularly Yojimbo. He really dials that sort of performance up to 11, which is fitting for the flamboyant nature of the film. He’s both absurdly menacing and wildly entertaining in every scene he’s in just by mainymtaining a constant intensity that he’s always been good at. He’s fascinating later on when he gets to develop the character further by expressing this total commitment to his vendetta against the one who wronged him in the past, coupled with the slightest undercurrent of trauma. Overall just a great performance that makes me want to rewatch the film every time I think of it.)

Amalric: (I’ll get back to you on the rating. For me this was just an incredibly authentic performance of an inconsiderate but not heartless guy. Amalric does very well to create this distance with his family that is friendly on the surface while masking a deep seated painful resentment. He’s especially good in his scenes with Deneuve where he shows Henri as desperately wanting to hate his mother but not quite being able to. In the scenes where he’s expressing his real feelings he’s downright pathetic as he makes Henri a man who knows he’s kind of a screw up, but still believes he deserved more support from his family, this makes his last scenes where he tries to do good all the more moving, serving as a nice cap to a terrific performance.)

Noonan: 4.5 (This is a pretty fascinating “blank slate” sort of performance as Noonan once again proves himself to be a master of changing the energy of his performance without changing his physical mannerisms. Noonan doesn’t really look or sound anything like Hoffman, but he still manages to be the perfect double for Caden by portraying such an investment in Caden’s life. It’s hard to determine where the character’s performance starts and when it ends, and Noonan makes this a fascinating idea within the film.)

Harner: 4.5 (An entirely chilling performance to be sure, and Harmer does a very good job of peeling back the layers of this man to reveal the psychotic desperation behind his actions. I have to say though that Jolie actually left the stronger impression on me from the film.)

Jenkins: 4.5 (Very entertaining work from him as throughout most of this film, he basically acts as the one person from the real world reacting to the over the top man-children in his life. His exasperation is really funny here, and he manages to sell it when his character gives in to the insanity around him.)

Mitchell Murray said...

Luke:

Randy - (Now this is tricky, because in many ways Rourke was the absolute perfect choice for the part already. Just going on the character, you would need an actor who is relatively washed up, in their 50's, and known for the their physical prowess as much as their emotional sincerity. So on the top of my head, if he was 20 years longer I'd go with Harvey Keitel.)
Cassidy - Michelle Pfieffer
Stephanie - Mary Elizabeth Winstead

Mitchell Murray said...

Actually, Russell Crowe fits the bill pretty well but I'm not sure he'd be able to tap into the same emotional vulnerability Rourke used.

Luke Higham said...

Why not Dave Bautista.

Bryan L said...

Luke: I'd go with Elle Fanning for Stephanie and I'd like to see what Elizabeth Banks would do with the part of Pam/Cassidy.

Mitchell Murray said...

Perhaps, but similar problem to Crowe. Of course, I haven't seen the second Guardians which I hear he shows promise in.

Mitchell Murray said...

Bryan: Now, had I not seen Love and Mercy I may be second guessing Banks. But I have luckily, and she hits a lot of the same notes that Tomei did in The Wrestler.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous: Dullea is a 2,5 and Sylvester is a 2, if I recall correctly.

Luke Higham said...

Dullea's a 3.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Wolheim was pretty much great in everything, so I think he would have done well there as well. He likely would have brought a bit more needed flamboyancy to role as opposed to Menjou who was decent, but a little subdued honestly.

Luke:

Randy: Nicolas Cage
Pam: Mia Kirshner
Stephanie: Anya Taylor-Joy

Anonymous:

Bonnie and Clyde has some rather clever work, as inspired by Shane, which is granting that extra impact to the gunshots by having them so much louder in the mix. That certainly is a great touch, and it is just fine work in general in that regard, though not all that showy beyond that great choice.

The Dark Knight has a great mix before Nolan's mixes started getting a little wonky. In that this successfully combines the intense score, and the big sounds while still being able to hear the dialogue. Great traditional sort atmospheric action film work to be sure. In terms of the editing just great standard work, gun shots, car noise etc. but also some terrific individual sounds particularly everything involving the batpod.

Robson Nakazato said...

1. Lee
2. Harner
3. Amalric
4. Noonan
5. Jenkins