Sunday, 10 December 2017

Alternate Best Actor 1965

And the Nominees Were Not:

Lou Castel in Fists in the Pocket

Charlton Heston in Major Dundee

Orson Welles in Chimes at Midnight

Jozef Kroner in The Shop on Main Street

Zbigniew Cybulski in The Saragossa Manuscript

59 comments:

Maciej said...

1.Castel
2.Welles
3.Kroner
4.Cybulski
5.Heston

RatedRStar said...

Fists in the Pockets basically might as well be called, "Castel murders this person, Castel murders another person, Castel murders yet another person".

I have not seen Cybulski yet but if he takes the James Dean approach again I reckon he will not score highly compared to before.

1. Welles
2. Castel
3. Kroner
4. Heston
5. Cybulski

Luke Higham said...

1. Kroner
2. Welles
3. Castel
4. Cybulski
5. Heston

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

1. Kroner
2. Welles
3. Castel
4. Cybulski
5. Heston
Also saw A Bittersweet Life for the first time the other day. Lee floored me with his performance.

Charles Heiston said...

Going with Welles' awesome performance.

1. Welles
2. Kroner
3. Castel
4. Cybulski
5. Heston

RatedRStar said...

Chicago Film Critics Association have just nominated Harry Dean Stanton for best actor, so he isn't exactly out of the race so to speak he is getting the odd nomination here and there.

John Smith said...

1. Kroner
2. Welles
3. Castel
4.Heston
5.Cybulski

Anonymous said...

1. Kroner
2. Welles
3. Castel
4. Cybulski
5. Heston
Louis: How would you have improved The Untouchables?

GM said...

1. Welles
2. Kroner
3. Castel
4. Cybulski
5. Heston

GM said...

1. Welles
2. Kroner
3. Castel
4. Cybulski
5. Heston

Vanna Long said...

1. Castel
2. Kroner
3. Welles
4. Heston
5. Cybulski

Robert MacFarlane said...

1. Welles
2. Kroner
3. Castel
4. Cybulski
5. Heston

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Time from Inception.

Omar Franini said...

1. Welles
2. Kroner
3. Castel
4. Cybulski
5. Heston

Louis Morgan said...

First half of Globes, all I can say so far is MACLACHLAN!

Tahmeed:

Glad to hear that.

Anonymous:

Now on the surface you could change a few things about the Untouchables to make it better, get a better lead, or get Costner to give a better performance would aid things greatly, the same goes for De Niro or they could've just kept Bob Hoskins for the role. Certain flaws would still remain so there would be one of two choices. One would be to get a different director and make a film that adheres more closely to the already very rich true story. Again though that would be a very different film, though a masterpiece I think would be possible with that approach. If one keeps DePalma though it would have been best to tighten the film all the more to its crime thriller aspect and eliminate some of the very cliched aspects, that weren't even accurate, such as having Ness be such a naive character in the start and the whole depiction of his domestic life.

Luke:

Time - (A beautiful piece that skews closer to his Thin Red Line work, then actually what he became known for due to Inception. As with that earlier score it finds a real beauty simplicity here managing to create such a mesmerizing variations on such a simple melody. It somehow never loses its potency at any point during the piece only remaining so captivating as he plays with its arrangement in such a somber and poignant way.)

Deiner said...

Louis: your thoughts and ratings on:
- Annette Bening, Kerry Washington and Naomi Watts in Mother and Child
- Catherine Keener, Rebecca Hall, Amanda Peet, Sarah Steele and Ann Guilbert in Please Give
- Helen Mirren and Mary-Louise Parker in RED

Anonymous said...

Louis thoughts on the rest of the Globe nominations?

Calvin Law said...

Particularly happy for the Maclachlan, Kaluuya, and Three Billboards nominations. Disappointed once again by lack of Detroit but I guess that ship has truly sailed.

Louis Morgan said...

Deiner:

I'll get you those soon.

Anonymous:

As for the rest of the Globes thankfully no Simon Helbergs this year on the film side, well maybe in Animated Feature but I can't say.

Major Hits:

All the Money in the World particularly for Christopher Plummer. This screams though as a potential Globes only thing perhaps as gratitude for being shown the rough cut.

Gary Oldman, yes he's the front runner but given that he's told off the Globes in the past this is an important nomination for him.

Denzel Washington, I don't think this will translate anywhere and this typical star worshiping for the Globes.

Three Billboards in general, particularly for McDonagh in director.

Aaron Sorkin in screenplay, however the Globes basically always nominate him in screenplay despite its limited lineup.

Phantom Thread in score, Greenwood needs to not be disqualified this year.

Hong Chau in Downsizing despite the film not showing up anywhere else.

The Greatest Showman however if you expected it to do poorly here, you just don't know the Golden Globes.

Armie Hammer and not Michael Stuhlbarg. If Hammer gets in at SAG I'd say he's basically locked. If Stuhlbarg does and he doesn't then they both have a problem.

Major Misses:

Melissa Leo seems to be Vanessa Redgrave in Coriolanus this year.

The Big Sick, I'm not unhappy about it, but this is the one place I was expecting it to do well.

Greta Gerwig in director however it's not all that surprising given who got in over her.

Blade Runner in general, but I'm not surprised at this point.

Robert MacFarlane said...

You forgot Peele getting screwed for Director and Screenplay.

Louis Morgan said...

Robert:

Well again they gotta make room for Sorkin in Screenplay, I personally didn't expect Peele to be a contender in director though.

Robert MacFarlane said...

McDonagh getting into Director over Peele is making me aggressively depressed right now.

Calvin Law said...

Louis: if Kaluuya gets in for BAFTA could he potentially be a dark horse contender?

Calvin Law said...

Both Spencer and Jenkins is surprising but not unpleasant.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Calvin: God I hope so.

Calvin Law said...

Robert: Get Out has pretty good momentum at this point in terms of critics wins so he could easily ride that. Wish Peele was along for the ride.

Louis Morgan said...

Calvin:

Yes I'd say so. It helps that his performance is very dramatic so to speak even within a genre film. On a side note, and this is not a knock on his performance, this is probably the least comedic/musical performance in the category since James Mason in A Star is Born.

The Shape in Water love was very notable here in general, which also means Original screenplay is gonna be all the more of a bloodbath at the Oscars, given they only gave Pan's Labyrinth the foreign language nod back in 06.

Louis Morgan said...

Also given the Three Billboards love, and only the single nomination for The Florida Project, this probably is Rockwell's best hope at upsetting Dafoe.

Calvin Law said...

I loved Dafoe but I would adore Rockwell winning. Poulter's got zero chance so I might as well throw everything into it.

Louis: I'd agree with that.

Anonymous said...

Louis who do you predict will win the acting Globes and why?

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Actor (Drama): Oldman, alternate Chalamet. Depends entirely on how much Oldman's lack of respect towards them will hurt him. I could see it potentially helping him in sort of a "see this proves we're legitimate" sort of way.

Actress (Drama): McDormand who has never won an individual globe, yes Madonna beat her in 96 as much as I'd like to forget that fact, and Three Billboards has the love (as it should). Alternate Hawkins however she has already won once so again it helps McDormand. I wouldn't count out a Streep sideswipe though, but hopefully voters will feel that her 8 wins are enough in this sort of competition.

Actor (Comedy/Musical): Franco, alternate Jackman. I think Franco has this though and I'd actually say Kaluuya's probably hurt just a bit by what I mentioned before.

Actress (Comedy/Musical): Tough call, but I'll say Robbie. Alternate is obviously Ronan though and this one is going to be close given they both got into picture. I think who wins here may depend on who wins Supporting Actress.

Supporting Actor: Rockwell alternate Dafoe. The one chance to disrupt the sweep. I do think Dafoe could just cruise by here as well though.

Supporting Actress: Metcalf, alternate (I don't want to say it) Mary J. Blige is just the sort of the choice the Globe voters could make. Hopefully here they will let the sweep play out properly given that Metcalf deserves it. I wouldn't count Janney here either though.

John Smith said...

I can't belive how 'Twin Peaks' could get snubbed liked this.

Luke Higham said...

Relieved that Nolan got in and pleased with MacLachlan's nomination.:)

Louis: You must be happy about Thewlis getting in and pissed off once again with Winstead's Snub.

Your SAG nominee Predictions and I have asked this question before but are you more convinced that Nolan will win BAFTA.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Ugh, Thewlis got in too?

Luke Higham said...

And do you think Gary Oldman will snub the ceremony, considering his views on the HFPA.

Calvin Law said...

1. Kroner
2. Welles
3. Castel
4. Cybulski
5. Heston

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

He might, I would say he definitely would if the SAG awards were first, however given his front runner position I have a feeling the campaigners at Focus Features will convince him to go to help secure the Oscar win.

I don't see who would beat Nolan at BAFTA, maybe Del Toro, but he seems a safe bet.

Sag Predictions, eh I'll give it a shot:

Ensemble:

Dunkirk
The Post
Lady Bird
Call Me By Your Name
Mudbound

Actor:

Gary Oldman - Darkest Hour
Daniel Day-Lewis - Phantom Thread
Jake Gyllenhaal - Stronger (last chance for him)
Timothee Chalamet - Call Me By Your Name
Tom Hanks - The Post

Actress:

Meryl Streep - The Post
Frances McDorman - Three Billboards
Judi Dench - Victoria and Abdul
Emma Stone - Battle of the Sexes
Saoirse Ronan - Lady Bird

Supporting Actress:

Laurie Metcalf - Lady Bird
Allison Janney - I, Tonya
Mary J. Blige - Mudbound
Melissa Leo - Novitiate (last chance for her)
Kristin Scott Thomas - Darkest Hour

Supporting Actor:

Willem Dafoe - The Florida Project
Sam Rockwell - Three Billboards
Armie Hammer - Call Me By Your Name
Mark Rylance - Dunkirk
Jason Mitchell - Mudbound

Alex Marqués said...

I'm glad to see Kaluuya doing well, his performance is really growing on me.

Calvin Law said...

Alex: The first time I watched the film, I was already impressed, but there's a lot of little understated things he does which grow on you.

Louis: Is Tom Skeritt your favourite one-scene wonder of 2017 so far? I was just thinking about how great he was in Lucky.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Are you currently watching any TV Shows.

Did you see any other TV films recently.

If you manage to complete 1965 with a week or two to spare before the Oscar reviews, could you watch Elizabeth I (Helen Mirren, which is her best work and was first broadcasted in 2005, not 2006) and those Hollow Crown films from 2012 that I've been wanting you to watch for a long time now, as well as the re-watches for Mean Streets, Animal Kingdom and Isabelle Adjani's oscar nominated work in Camille Claudel (French release in 1988).

Luke Higham said...

I must admit, I'm looking forward to this lineup more than I thought I would.

Been looking forward to Welles for a rather long time though I've been forgetful on not having him as one of my most anticipated reviews.

Kroner and Castel should do well.

Cybulski could potentially have a great performance as he's in a 3 hour film and didn't have enough focus in Ashes And Diamonds to give a truly great performance.

And I hope Heston can go above a 4 though it wouldn't surprise me if Harris stole the film from him.

Anonymous said...

He should go above a 4 for Hamlet.

Anonymous said...

It really is the last chance for Jake Gyllenhaal and Melissa Leo, its like an episode of The Apprentice (UK version) where they were both sent to the boardroom and told they are on their last chance lol.

Luke Higham said...

I expect him to go up though for the the time being, I hope he'll go above it here.

Anonymous said...

Am I the only one here that didn't like Stranger Things season 2?

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Your thoughts on When Will My Life Begin, Healing Incantation, Mother Knows Best, I've Got A Dream and I See The Light from Tangled.

And Let It Go, Do You Want To Build A Snowman and For The First Time In Forever from Frozen.

Anonymous said...

If I recall correctly, Louis gave his thoughts on Let It Go before.

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: Found it. :)

Alex Marqués said...

Anonymous: I wasn't crazy about it either, even if there were things I really liked about it (most notably Steve's development). I guess I lost my initial enthusiasm, the constant 80s references really got tiresome after a while to be honest.

Giuseppe Fadda said...

1. Kroner
2. Welles
3. Castel
4. Cybulski
5. Heston

JackiBoyz said...

1. Kroner
2. Welles
3. Castel
4. Cybulski
5. Heston

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Your rating and thoughts on Pam Ferris in Matilda? While the film itself isn't too special, she's really entertaining and brilliantly over the top.

Luke Higham said...

Ferris - 3.5(I know some that absolutely love her performance. I'm not quite there but I do still enjoy it. She's wholly one note yet that is a rather entertaining note as she brings such intensity to the role of the maniacal principal. She never winks about and that conviction ends up being quite amusing).

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Luke: Thanks :)

Louis Morgan said...

Deiner:

Bening - 3.5(The best performance within for the film for me and when compared to Naomi Watts's portrayal of similair emotions I'd say she's quite great. I still felt she was limited by the writing of the film which at times was a little too keen on setting up its various poetic setups while not quite letting the characters breath naturally. Bening is good in her bits though in portraying the general frustrations, but also the generally frustrating attitude of the woman who is understandably demanding but also far too demanding. Bening carefully makes sense of this though with an honest humanity. I still think this was parts of a whole a times, but it's a certainly a good performance.)

Washington - 3(Her performance is just fine but limited by just how limited the character is. She wants a child and that's about it. The elements involving her husband or her own beliefs are very thin. Washington isn't the problem there though it is the writing and she is good in terms of just bringing and honesty to these basic emotional states.)

Watts - 2(I will admit Watts is not helped by how over the top the character is written. The film tries to be too naturalistic to have frankly this melodramatic character. Now I understand the intention was to show her refusal to create lasting connections based on her own insecurities of never having anyone. Well the film goes so far with to making her character so extreme, which honestly is not helped by Watts's performance which does not temper these elements. She instead plays into them to the point she seems actively maniacal, which I don't think was quite the point.)

Keener - 3(I will say this perhaps a touch in what has become the Catherine Keener mold of a character. In that the moment I saw her first scenes there was nothing more to be seen than that. Keener's not bad at all though in portraying sort of this passionate self-absorption with the right sense of pompousness of modesty actually. Her change near the end just never quite had the impact intended though, but Keener is wholly fine.)

Hall - 4(The best part of the film, and as usual though Hall plays the rather low key character to far more flamboyant turns. Hall though finds the most emotional honesty in her portrayal of sort of the way her character has become emotionally closed off to this certain extent. Hall does this quite well by not overdoing finding the right sort of shyness emotion yet never making it any less potent. She never falls into caricature by discovering the proper nuance in this state, and is easily the most captivating performer in the film.)

Peet - 2(One where I wholly say the intention of the character, which was to be such a ball of more active and obvious desperation within a general brassiness. An opposite of Hall, though as the same. Peet doesn't pull it off really never making the desperation more than just something that is said, and making her relationship with Platt's character not exactly the most naturalistic. The intention is there, even in the writing, but her performance does deliver on it.)

Louis Morgan said...

Steele - 3(Her role is somewhat limited however I did find she managed to find depth within the character's anger in and around her mother's behavior. Steele's purpose is mainly around this however she does find enough nuance within this not to become simply a caricature.)

Guilbert - 3.5(As sort of the "horrible old woman" trope she is actually pretty good here by not overdoing it. Although she's mostly there to say something terrible, which she delivers with all the incisiveness it needs. She does though find the subtly in terms of the underlying desperation of the character that you can see within every hateful word.)

Mirren - 3.5(Kind of the Mirreny performance she's become known for now, which wholly works for film. That being the sort of cool older woman who speaks without hesitation and just has such a notable confidence. Once again Mirren does this quite well.)

Parker - 3(Her role is limited however she avoids being the stick in the mud that could have been possible. She is fairly amusing in portraying who just general confusion over the plot, while avoiding becoming sort of the shrill "normal" that could have easily been the case for the character.)

Calvin:

Yes I'd say so.

Luke:

When Will my Life Begin - (It's an okayish song. I will say the lyrics and vocals work. The music, particularly the instrumentation, feels a little excessively generic. It also doesn't match really the lyrics all that well just sounding more like kind of a try a typical pop hit rather than being a proper Disney "more" song. The two really don't weld as the lyrics feel far more musical theater show tune inclined.)

Healing Incantation - (Now part of the problem with previous song is now this is far more traditional Disney sounding, although actually this sound most similair to Anastasia's "Once Upon a December", and effective little misterioso chant.)

Mother Knows Best - (I actually did rather like this one as sort of a reverse "more" song, done as sort of an atypical villain song. Now this time fully embraces more of the show tune sensibility and works because of that. That being with the general build with its world play in the lyrics that are quite enjoyable, further amplified by the sort of fanciful melody that is particularly effectively in the way its gentleness as sort of as a phony lullaby.)

I've Got a Dream - (Again going for much more of the full show tune, and this one particularly, I'd say intentionally, not particularly creative in this sense. As you've certainly heard this son before, however this is a fun iteration of it to be sure.)

I see the Light - (This again like "When My Life Will Begin" in terms of merging of the styles, however this time it does so far more effectively intertwined into a classical, well classical to the Disney renaissance anyways, ballad, evoking particularly A Whole New World with its meeting of voices. As such ballads go I don't think this would quite classify as a great one, but it is certainly quite a good one.)

I can't help but feel I gave my thoughts on the other two Frozen songs, I will have look see.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: My request is Sam Riley in Control.

Calvin Law said...

Seeing Molly's Game in an hour - psyched

Robson Nakazato said...

1. Welles
2. Castel
3. Heston
4. Kroner
5. Cybulski