Thursday, 24 August 2017

Alternate Best Supporting Actor 1992

And the Nominees Were Not:

Tony Todd in Candyman

Wesley Snipes in The Waterdance

Graham Greene in Thunderheart 

David Bowie in Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me 

Harry Dean Stanton in Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me

Ray Wise in Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me 

Frank Silva in Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me 


For Prediction Purposes:

Bowie (For the fascinating couple of minutes duo)

Wise (Let the host represent)

71 comments:

Luke Higham said...

1. Wise
2. Todd
3. Greene
4. Bowie
5. Snipes

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Please make sure that you watch Tilda Swinton's performance in Orlando, as well as Catherine Deneuve in Indochine.

Thoughts on:
Sheryl Lee - Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me
Mary McDonnell - Passion Fish
Alfre Woodard - Passion Fish
Susan Sarandon - Lorenzo's Oil
Cynda Williams - One False Move
Bridget Fonda - Singles
Grace Zabriskie - Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me
Whoopi Goldberg - The Player
Judy Davis - Husbands and Wives

Charles Heiston said...

I love this line.

1. Todd
2. Wise
3. Greene
4. Bowie
5. Snipes

Robert MacFarlane said...

1. Wise
2. Todd
3. Snipes
4. Graham
5. Bowie

Omar Franini said...

1. Wise
2. Todd
3. Greene
4. Bowie
5. Snipes

Luke Higham said...

Louis: And your winners for 1992.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: And your thoughts on Pfeiffer in Love Field.

Calvin Law said...

Louis: can one watch Fire Walk With Me before the tv series? Also, such an intriguing lineup.

1. Wise
2. Todd
3. Bowie
4. Greene
5. Snipes

Omar Franini said...

Calvin: I think you should watch the series before because the movie reveals the "twist" of the story.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Also watch Single White Female.

Luke Higham said...

& Used People.

Psifonian said...

1. Wise
2. Todd
3. Bowie
4. Greene
5. Snipes

Anonymous said...

1. Wise
2. Todd
3. Greene
4. Bowie
5. Snipes

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

1. Wise
2. Todd
3. Bowie
4. Greene
5. Snipes

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the following performances in Game of Thrones-

Iwan Rheon
Tom Wlaschiha
Faye Marsay
Peter Vaughan
James Cosmo

Michael McCarthy said...

This is the weirdest lineup in a while...I'm excited.

Calvin Law said...

Louis: thoughts on Raymond Cruz in Better Call Saul? I actually think his work is about on par in terms of quality, if perhaps not in intensity, as Breaking Bad.

Deiner said...

I've yet to watch the original Twin Peaks series. I really want to but I've been really busy lately. What do you guys think of it, do you think it's a great show or is it just okay...?

Louis: Did you watch "The Best Intentions" and "Orlando"? If not, you really should. August and Swinton are really great, imho.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: I'd recommend The Best Intentions, it did win the Palme D'or though it has a longer TV cut as well that might be superior.

Luke Higham said...

Louis & Deiner: The TV cut was released in 1991, so it's ineligible. I'd recommend watching it then.

Matt Mustin said...

Louis, what's your ratings and thoughts on Clint Eastwood, Liam Neeson and Jim Carrey in The Dead Pool?

Anonymous said...

Matt: Eastwood - 2(This is one of Eastwood's worst performances. There are glimpses of the good old Dirty Harry but they are few and far between in his phoned in performance)

Anonymous said...

Louis: your top 20 bruce willis and philip seymour hoffman acting moments

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your cast for a 1970's Glengarry Glen Ross.

RatedRStar said...

1. Wise
2. Todd
3. Bowie
4. Greene
5. Snipes

JackiBoyz said...

1. Wise
2. Todd
3. Greene
4. Bowie
5. Snipes

Maciej said...

1. Wise
2. Bowie
3. Todd
4. Snipes
5. Greene

Calvin Law said...

Just re-watched A Few Good Men and I have to agree with Robert. Cruise is actually pretty fantastic in it.

Robert MacFarlane said...

I watched Death Note. Woof. Fails as an adaptation and a film. Stanfield's the best part, though his last scene is awkward.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Could I have your thoughts on this piece by Vangelis.

1492: Conquest Of Paradise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94dY-QxjDiE

Luke Higham said...

Everyone: Are there any reviews from these years that you're really looking forward to.

These are probably the most likely years to come next from each decade.

1935
1938
1948
1949
1952
1957
1965
1966
1974
1975
1980
1988
1991
1999
2001
2008
2010
2013

RatedRStar said...

Luke: All of them if I am honest lol =D.

Luke Higham said...

To name a few.
Mikkelsen in Flame & Citron & Valhalla Rising
Philip Seymour Hoffman in Synecdoche, New York
Paul Bettany in A Knight's Tale
Daniel Day-Lewis in The Unbearable Lightness Of Being
Willem Dafoe in The Last Temptation Of Christ

RatedRStar said...

Louis: I watched the Siskel and Ebert episode that had Candyman on, have you seen it? of course it is too late to do more leads now but, The Public Eye looked like a interesting Joe Pesci vehicle which Siskel and Ebert both liked his performance, what you reckon?

Anonymous said...

Boris Karloff in The Black Room
Peter Lorre in Mad Love
Joseph Cotten in Portrait of Jennie
Juano Hernandez in Intruder in the Dust
Robert Mitchum in Heaven Knows, Mr. Allison
Michael Keaton in Clean and Sober
Luke: 1938 doesn't seem that interesting to me, to be honest.

RatedRStar said...

1938!!!! not interesting!!!! Charles Laughton and Claude Rains would like a word with you lol, after they are done beating each other up of course lol.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Ratings for Dourif, McKellen and Bean in The Two Towers.

Charles Heiston said...

Philip Seymour Hoffman in Synecdoche, New York
Mikkelsen in Flame & Citron
Paul Bettany in A Knight's Tale
Daniel Day-Lewis in The Unbearable Lightness Of Being
Willem Dafoe in The Last Temptation Of Christ
Per Oscarsson in Hunger
Lie Ye in Lan Yu
James Gandolfini in The Mexican

Anonymous said...

RatedRStar: Laughton and Rains for 1938? That's good, but the rest doesn't seem that interesting.

Calvin Law said...

Robert: Where would Nat Woolf rank amongst your Lead Actor rankings? Haven't read a single positive remark about him online (in contrast to plenty for Stanfield, Dafoe).

Robert MacFarlane said...

Calvin: Worst Lead Actor I've seen this year. Not that the character was much on paper, but varies between being a block of wood and screaming like a toddler.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

The reviews I'm looking forward to the most are-
Naseeruddin Shah in Sparsh
Om Puri in Ardh Satya
Paul Bettany in A Knight's Tale
Mads Mikkelsen in Flame and Citron
Soumitra Chatterjee in The World of Apu

Anonymous said...

Is Tom Cruise an Oscar contender for American Made? the film and Cruise are getting great reviews. He is certainly gonna be in the bonus rounds.

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: I wouldn't say certainly but maybe. The only ones I'm really confident about at the moment are Jackman and Fassbender.

I'm gonna see it tomorrow though.

Luke Higham said...

Also, if I win another prediction, I'm probably gonna request Fassbender for Alien: Covenant, once the nominations are announced.

Anonymous said...

Luke: I am not sure you need to, I reckon he will get in easily regardless.

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: If Fassbender does end up being brilliant in The Snowman, I hope Louis will have both performances share a slot in the alternate lineup.

94dfk1 said...

I would also like to vouch for a review of Dafoe in the The Last Temptation of Christ.

Anonymous said...

Dafoe is getting in 1988, nothing to worry about.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

I've already seen Deneuve, and Swinton, I forgotten to list Swinton, she'd be my number 8.

McDonnell - (A bit like Stoltz honestly in that she also takes a similarly low key approach in portraying her character dealing with her recent disability. Also like Stoltz the transitions her are very low key in approach yet effectively so as well. McDonnell is good in portraying the slow ease into becoming healthier in mind slowly though this also comes from some strong chemistry with Woodard.)

Woodard - (She gives an interesting performance as it is also atypical as the supportive caregiver. In that she less portrays an overt warmth but rather does well to show a lack of pretense involved. In that she carefully plays every scene with McDonnell with the right type of ease as she depicts her just trying to connect in a low key way that makes their healthy growth together a rather natural one.)

Sarandon - (Classical Oscar performance it feels but she delivers it well. She's particular pivotal to the film in that she makes up for Nick Nolte's odd work. Sarandon carries the film through her performance that manages to bring the needed warmth that is moving yet she handles this in a particular way. She also brings a harshness within the character's love for her son, that isn't towards him but rather towards those who trivialize it. Sarandon is terrific in these more intense moments by always showing her discontent coming specifically from care for her son above else.)

Williams - (It has been a bit since I saw the film though I recall creating the needed balance in her work in creating a sense of danger within the character but also a desperation. She also effectively brings these two sides in her scenes with Paxton creating the complexity by alluding to their old relationship yet depicting the strain of that history as well.)

Fonda - (Like Scott she captures the right tone for the material in that she does make the most out of her overt comedic moments yet realizes something a bit more dramatic in there within the character's earnest effort to try any real affection. Fonda never trivializes the material even though she has just enough fun with it. Honestly the best scene in the film is when she and Scott are together since the two best understand what the film needs.)

Goldberg - (She's great here in portraying such a palatable undercurrent of hatred in each of her scenes which only seems to become stronger every time she appears, and I especially love her moment where she's so incisive in her trolling of Robbins's character when they think they have him.)

Davis - (Well she's lower because she has one moment early on, where she's on her first date, where she delivers such a big piece of such steam fried ham for a moment. Thankfully she's much better the rest of the time in portraying the ball of rage instead of her character in every moment whether or not she says she's okay. Even when there seems to be some alternative purpose to the scene Davis effectively keeps her state a constant that she does not overcome until her final scene.)

Pfeiffer - 2.5(I usually like her quite a bit but here this just felt only a step beyond a full blown caricature. She just comes off as a series of tics that never gets beyond creating this idea of a woman from the period rather than truly realizing her. There is something always missing as she never gets beyond the mannerisms which unfortunately keeps this an oddly unemotional turn.)

Ask about Lee, and Zabriskie again in the Twin Peaks reviews just for ease in future reference.

3.5,3,3

Louis Morgan said...

Director: Clint Eastwood - Unforgiven
Production Design: Dracula
Sound Editing: Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me
Sound Mixing: The Last of the Mohicans
Score: Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me
Editing: Unforgiven
Visual Effects: Dracula
Costume Design: Dracula
Cinematography: Unforgiven
Makeup and Hairstyling: Dracula
Original Screenplay: Unforgiven
Adapted Screenplay: The Player

Calvin:

Eh, I'd say you really need to know the series to fully appreciate it.

Cruz is welcome addition every time he appears and has lost nothing in terms of his intensity in particular since Breaking Bad. He's really a jolt of energy both times he appears, and I would not mind seeing the mad man one more time.

Tahmeed:

Rheon - (Ramsay as written is not the most complex villain, and in his simplicity he perhaps wore out his welcome a bit especially when compared to his fascinating father. Actually a side note it seems them been simplify this role with the progression of Joffrey to Ramsay to now the show's Euron, but I digress. Rheon though was quite great honestly at being this most psychotic sort. He's downright ridiculous at times yet this was always quite needed for the character "pork sausage" and all that. Ramsay after all not only brutalized his victims Rheon had them actively troll them at every step and the sheer glee in his work certainly amplified that. Furthermore, even though there wasn't much of it, Rheon did bring a bit more nuance whenever he could such as in his early scenes with Roose, where he effectively showed Ramsay with just a touch of vulnerability. Rheon gave a good, viscerally effective performance even if the character was perhaps a touch overused.)

Wlaschiha - (He's outstanding in the second season. He's brilliant in the way he captures a mystery to the man just in his speaking patterns, he creates a fascinating enigma as he creates this sense of danger but with a bit of warmth in his interactions with Arya. Wlashchiha properly adjusts his work in his later appearance, even if his writing is perhaps less interesting. He brings a colder man though as the zealous teacher of his strange religion and perhaps setting up his whole original interaction with Arya as a bit of ruse. I don't really like where they left his character, but Wlaschiha cannot be faulted at any point.)

Marsay - (Okay in her last episode she was downright terrible. That physical performance was just awful where she was doing a Terminator movement for no foreseeable reason. That running was an horrible choice. Furthermore she began to lay it on a bit too thick the entire season as she became one note in her hatred toward Arya. Having said that she was quite good in the fifth season though in bringing that seeming disregard for Arya yet there she suggested it could be part of the learning curve as it never seemed without purpose. She was particularly good in her moment where she made up her false story that seemed to suggest her hatred was also an act, it's a shame where that all ended up the following season.)

Louis Morgan said...

Vaughan - (One of the great underrated performances in the series. Every scene he was on Vaughan was on point in delivering such a weight to every one of his words. This was whether it was in his weary warnings and words of wisdow towards Jon and Sam, or those truly poignant moments of self-reflection upon his history as man. Every moment Vaughan made the most of creating such a real understanding of what the man had been through and how it was that it brought him to his place in the Night's Watch. Also although there were many problems in season 5, his final scene was not one of them, and Vaughan made it absolutely heartbreaking.)

Cosmo - (Terrific performance as he managed to bring the right heart but also edge to the role. There was no moment he simplified as he so effectively showed Mormont always calculating a moment beyond the surface, such as when he tells Jon he knows about Craster, there is a sense of shame along with the sense of duty Cosmo realizes in the moment. I especially love his scene in season 3 where he ensures Sam's survival as Cosmo so brilliantly found the tough love as he bluntly explained the order, while realizing just the right warmth deep below the intensity needed for the command.)

Matt:

Neeson - 2.5(Neesons more than serviceable as the overly angry director. He's a decent jerk for his couple of scenes but what he offers to the role is unfortunately wasted when he ends up not even being important to the plot.)

Carrey - 1.5(He's pretty hilarious here, the problem is his performance is support be deadly serious. His "I CAN HANDLE IT MAN!!!!" in particular caused me to burst out laughing which is a shame as it was suppose to be sort of the desperation of a man on the edge.)

Anonymous:

Hoffman:

11. "Slow boat to China" - The Master
12. Visiting the drug dealer - Before the Devil Knows You're Dead
13. "What do you want" - The Master
14. Phone call - Punch Drunk Love
15. In the jail cell with Freddie - The Master
16. After the funeral - Before the Devil Knows You're Dead
17. Meeting Freddie - The Master
18. "Best man in the house!" - Along Came Polly
19. Pivotal call - Magnolia
20. "How's the peeping?" - The Talented Mr. Ripley

Louis Morgan said...

Willis:

1. Cole Attempts to Explain himself - 12 Monkeys
2. Confusing himself - 12 Monkeys
3. Glass - Die Hard
4. Meeting himself - Looper
5. A Realization - The Sixth Sense
6. His Return - 12 Monkeys
7. Lying Gruber - Die Hard
8. Meeting Cole - The Sixth Sense
9. Saving Marcellus - Pulp Fiction
10. Gun in his hand - Looper
11. Learning of Mr. Glass - Unbreakable
12. Vertigo - 12 Monkeys
13. Confronting Gruber - Die Hard
14. Silent Dinner - The Sixth Sense
15. A Plea - Moonrise Kingdom
16. Confronting Goines - 12 Monkeys
17. Rooftop - Die Hard
18. Korben saving the day - The Fifth Element
19. The Ending - 12 Monkeys
20. The Pimp - 12 Monkeys

Anonymous:

Ricky Roma: Kirk Douglas
Shelly Levene: Melvyn Douglas
Blake: Frank Langella
Aaronow: Ray Walston
Moss: Gene Hackman
Williamson: Ronny Cox
Lingk: William Daniels

Deiner:

Much of the first season, and the first half of the second season are quite great. The entirety of the third season has been amazing, loving Lynch though is a per-requisite.

RatedRStar:

I have, and when originally watching it I thought that sounded like a potentially interesting role for Pesci, I'll certainly check it out during this round.

Omar:

Allen - 3(Eh this isn't anything special as Allen as Allen goes. His performance certainly works here but that's all I can give him.)

Farrow - 3(Okay this performance is a bit fascinating in that I'm quite sure you can see her real life misery shine threw, however this does work for much of the film in creating the sense of her character's state. It however technically stays past that point in her final scene.)

Neeson - 3.5(I rather liked his performance here and it was interesting to see him as the guy seen as the meek sort. Neeson though pulls it off well though and is pretty effective in portraying the awkwardness within his overt earnestness. Neeson's terrific at just being a sweet guy and rather sad at showing how he really only gets mistreated by everyone.)

Pollack - 4(The best part of the film I felt as he was terrific in portraying the callousness of the role. Pollack captures so well the ease of the man's behavior always portraying so well the way he puts himself front and center at all times. Pollack is effective in the role by not really reacting so often except when in frustration, emphasizing the man always interacting in ways that only ever benefit him in some way.)

Tomei's a five.

Louis Morgan said...

Also saw Wind River.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on Wind River and the cast and Ratings/Thoughts on Deneuve & Swinton.

Deiner said...

Louis: Your thoughts and ratings on the leading ladies of "Death Becomes Her".

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the nightclub and chase scene from Suicide Squad.

Deiner said...

Forgot to ask, what is Richardson's rating for "The Crying Game"?

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Deneuve - 3.5(The film did just about nothing for me on the whole, as I found it to be sort of the stereotype of a bad foreign language winner. Deneuve for her part though I found offered some needed charisma to the film and when she was on screen the film came to life just a bit more. Unfortunately she's both underused and underwritten despite technically being the lead.)

Swinton - 4(Her performance is on point as she's well cast and as usual she certainly delivers in the part. The film, which was a severe case of style over substance though with style not remarkable enough to make up for the lack of substance, but also there are many attempts at substance in its rather hamfisted statements throughout. Swinton to her credit remains interesting throughout from first the slightly misogynistic man to the modern woman by the end of the film. I have to say I wish we saw this through natural interactions throughout the story, instead we get a whole lot of scenes of explaining the transition rather than allowing Swinton to portray the experience of it in any real way. Swinton again is a compelling presence as usual, but the film doesn't make enough use of her talents.)

Wind River I found to be perhaps the least of three Taylor Sheridan new American Frontier trilogy, but given my great affection for Sicario and especially Hell or High Water that isn't say too much. I quite liked the film as again it created this sense of place in this very specific area in America, not usually focused upon, and managed to tell a compelling surface story while effectively realizing its heavier subtext without becoming heavy handed. Like Hell or High Water it also has some natural bits of humor that add the needed bit of levity. For what is his second film this is a fairly impressive effort though I never found he hit sort of the high notes of the pieces as effectively as those previous films. The pacing, though not poorly paced, just isn't as concise and I did not feel there was a singular scene on the level of the dinner scene in Sicario or the ending of Hell or High Water. Again though suffering a little bit in comparison to those films isn't saying too much in my book, as it is a strong effort as it stands on its own.

Olsen - 4(A character I imagine will inspire some debate, however I felt her being so out of her depth frankly made more sense here than in Sicario actually. As Olsen's Banner not only is completely new to the land she also is basically a desk jockey thrown on what should be a routine bit of work so it makes sense she's not really in her element. The focus of the film isn't really on her and her character really is there to facilitate the audience's own understanding of the setting and the character. Olsen I think does well with this particular role in portraying her role often in reactions, and creating the frustrations effectively around her just trying to make the best out of every situation. Olsen emphasizes the frustrations in a way that works in showing her trying to work out the best way, rather than becoming bogged down by it. It's a good performance, though I will admit this is Renner's show.)

Birmingham - 3.5(He's quite moving, and actually a little bit amusing in his brief screentime. He creates the right sense of the particular way the man grieves that he makes honest and quite powerful.)

Greene - 3.5(Wish he had gotten a bit more to do as I found him to be quite hilarious in his few deadpan moments that so effectively realized the sheer exasperation of the guy who has to do a far bigger job than he really should.)

Deiner:

Another I'd really need to re-watch since I haven't seen it since 92.

Anonymous said...

Louis: your top 20 tom hanks and brad pitt acting moments

Anonymous said...

Louis: your thoughts and rating on doug hutchison and michael jeter from the green mile

Charles Heiston said...

Louis: Your thoughts and ratings on the cast of Twilight.

Omar Franini said...

Louis: Your ratings and thoughts on the rest of the cast of Indochine?

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Could you also watch Peter's Friends by Kenneth Branagh.

Michael McCarthy said...

This is a hard lineup to call, I really need to watch Twin Peaks.

1. Ray Wise
2. Wesley Snipes
3. Graham Greene
4. David Bowie
5. Tony Todd

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Your rating for MacLaine in Irma La Douce.

Calvin Law said...

Saw American Made. Really messy to begin with, but pretty great once it really gets going. Cruise is fantastic.

Robert MacFarlane said...

I saw Ingrid Goes West. I really need to think about it, but Plaza is perfect.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Your rating for Dame May Whitty in Suspicion.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: And Rod Taylor in The Birds.

Louis Morgan said...

Deiner:

5

Anonymous:

The nightclub scene is truly a bizarre sequence of strangeness that seems less a chaos of the Joker but rather a writer, and an actor having no idea how to perform a scene. Even Common seems a bit confused what's going on exactly as actor even more than character. Of course things are not helped by the atrocious jumbled editing topped off horribly with that terrible bit at the end involving the gun shot.

The chase scene again has no impact as its connected to nothing and we have no reason to care about anything going on. I suppose as terrible elements go their are worse scenes in the film, but the chase itself is pretty forgettable as is the scene.

Anonymous:

Hanks:

1. Shock - Captain Phillips
2. A conversation with Muse - Captain Phillips
3. Meeting the CIA agent - Bridge of Spies
4. No longer the Captain - Captain Phillips
5. "I'm sorry wilson" - Castaway
6. The Bridge - Bridge of Spies
7. After the crash - Sully
8. "I'm a teacher" - Saving Private Ryan
9. Execution - Green Mile
10. Watching the massacre - Cloud Atlas
11. Standing his ground - Bridge of Spies
12. Explaining the crash - Sully
13. Story of his father - Saving Mr. Banks
14. Christmas Call - Catch Me If You Can
15. Returning Home - Castaway
16. tooth removal - Castaway
17. No Crying - A League of Their Own
18. Not the decent thing - Saving Private Ryan
19. Back pocket policy - Bridge of Spies
20. Handing over the letter - A League of Their Own

Pitt:

1. The Assassination - The Assassination of Jesse James
2. "Ever thought of suicide?" - The Assassination of Jesse James
3. Seeing Ed - The Assassination of Jesse James
4. I'm nothing - The Tree of Life
5. The Shooting - Seven
6. Demands - Burn After Reading
7. Interrogating Charley - The Assassination of Jesse James
8. Robbery - The Assassination of Jesse James
9. Table fight - The Tree of Life
10. In the car with Doe - Seven
11. Psychotic Fit - The Assassination of Jesse James
12. "DETECTIVE!" - Seven
13. Final smile - Burn After Reading
14. Fight lessons - The Tree of Life
15. Sloth - Seven
16. Phone call - Burn After Reading
17. "Pay me" - Killing Them Softly
18. Comparison - The Assassination of Jesse James
19. Where are they - True Romance
20. Meeting Jesse - The Assassination of Jesse James

Pitt:

Anonymous:

I think I've given them before.

Charles:

Haven't seen it, nor will I.

Luke:

3,2.5,3.5

Omar:

Pham - 3(She hits the emotional moments well enough from scene to scene yet there is always a strange disconnect and this seems just raw emotion without knowing where exactly it's coming from, even though we technically do know. In addition her chemistry seems quite missing with Deneuve as you never feel the needed connection between the two.)

Perez - 2.5(Like Pham there was always something strangely distant in the work for me though perhaps never truly bad. His performance though always feels just as the blunt emotions never connecting enough with the moment to make any scene truly resonate as they should given what happens in them.)

Yanne - 2.5(Thought he was relatively decent in creating at least a sense of his central relationship but never made that much of an impact overlal.)