Thursday, 10 March 2016

Alternate Best Supporting Actor 1939

And the Nominees Were Not:

Cedric Hardwicke in The Hunchback of Notre Dame

Lee J. Cobb in Golden Boy

Ralph Richardson in Four Feathers

Thomas Mitchell in Gone With the Wind

Leslie Howard in Gone With the Wind

Bert Lahr in The Wizard of Oz

Ray Bolger in The Wizard of Oz

Frank Morgan in The Wizard of Oz

Jack Haley in The Wizard of Oz 

For Prediction Purposes:

Mitchell in Gone With the Wind

Lahr in the Wizard of Oz

99 comments:

GM said...

1. Cobb
2. Richardson
3. Hardwicke
4. Lahr
5. Mitchell

Robert MacFarlane said...

1. Lahr
2. Cobb
3. Richardson
4. Hardwicke
5. Mitchell

Michael Patison said...

1. Cedric Hardwicke
2. Lee J. Cobb
3. Bert Lahr
4. Ralph Richardson
5. Thomas Mitchell

tahmeed chowdhury said...

1) Hardwicke
2) Richardson
3) Mitchell
4) Cobb
5) Lahr

Maciej said...

1.Mitchell
2.Lahr
3.Richedson
4.Cobb
5.Hardwicke

moviefilm said...

1) Cedric Hardwicke
2) Lee J. Cobb
3) Thomas Mitchell
4) Bert Lahr
5) Ralph Richardson

RatedRStar said...

1) Cedric Hardwicke
2) Thomas Mitchell
3) Bert Lahr
4) Ralph Richardson
5) Lee J. Cobb

JackiBoyz said...

1) Cedric Hardwicke
2) Bert Lahr
3) Thomas Mitchell
4) Lee J. Cobb
5) Ralph Richardson

Luke Higham said...

1. Hardwicke
2. Lahr
3. Richardson
4. Cobb
5. Mitchell

Calvin Law said...

1. Lahr
2. Hardwicke
3. Mitchell
4. Richardson
5. Cobb (hope I'm wrong)

Anonymous said...

1. Hardwicke
2. Lahr
3. Richardson
4. Cobb
5. Mitchell (He's very good, but Howard is better)

Anonymous said...

Even though Cobb is great, I wonder what Louis will think of Holden, since he only likes Holden in darker roles.

Michael McCarthy said...

Hmmm for now I'll go with:

1. Bert Lahr
2. Cedric Hardwicke
3. Lee J. Cobb
4. Thomas Mitchell
5. Ralph Richardson

Calvin Law said...

I'm really anticipating the Wizard of Oz review. Haven't seen it in ages so will be interesting to see who Louis likes best, my guess is Lahr but I remember the other 3 being really good too, does anyone have a particular favourite out of the four actors Louis has picked for that film?

My ratings for these performances:

Richardson: 5
Hardwicke: 5
Cobb: 4.5
Lahr, Bloger, Haley, Morgan: 4/4.5
Mitchell: 4
Howard: 4

Anonymous said...

Calvin: The Wizard of Oz men to me are 4's. I'm not a fan of musicals, but I like this movie but not as much as everyone does.

RatedRStar said...

It is very likely I will change my predictions for the first review unless Louis is very sneaky and starts with Hardwicke lol which he might do.

Luke Higham said...

RatedRStar: I hope Louis finishes the alternates with a five star performance.

RatedRStar said...

I like everybody in The Wizard Of Oz, I really dont know who I would say is my favorite, in fact I love this lineup in general, all of the Oscar nominated perfomers here all recieved 2 Oscar Nominations in total =D very interesting.
Lee J Cobb is actually quite great even though on paper he is miscast, he wasnt that old in real life at the time but he looks no different here than he did in his final Oscar nomination. I have still not seen Four Feathers, I kinda like the look of it though (colour films in the 30s and 40s have this cool retroness to them) 1939 was just the perfect year for Mitchell, and I have a big soft spot for Leslie Howard, 1939 was perfect.

Louis: Maybe you should go back and watch Berkeley Square at some point, its been a while since I saw it.

Robert MacFarlane said...

Has anyone else seen 10 Cloverfield Lane? Because I seem to be the only person who vastly prefers Winstead's work in it to Goodman's.

Luke Higham said...

Robert: I'll try to watch it, as soon as possible.

RatedRStar said...

Robert: Not yet, I remember expecting the film to be bad as I had no idea who was in it, I thought, ah a sequel to a film nobody wanted ill skip that, but its doing well, so in future probably.

Robert MacFarlane said...

The film itself is B-movie popcorn thrills in a good way, though the writing is broad. It loses steam when it actually becomes a Cloverfield sequel in the last 20 minutes, complete with Abrams-patented carrot-dangling "wait until next installment" nonsense.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Douglas and Lancaster were considered choices for Connery's and Caine's roles in The Man Who Would Be King. What do you think of these choices?

Calvin Law said...

Louis: Do you think the way Cagney plays his last scene in Angels with Dirty Faces is at all ambiguous? Or is it meant to be a given that he's doing it for the boys' sake.

Louis Morgan said...

Robert:

Here Robert I'll help you out.

Cast Ratings:

Winstead - 4.5(Bordering on a five)
Goodman - 4
Gallagher - 3.5

I'll just say I really liked it, and no more because finding out what's going on is part of the fun.

Calvin:

I feel it is left purposefully ambiguous, but in terms my own feelings towards it I think he did it for the boys given Rocky's friendship with Jerry underlies the whole film.

Anonymous:

I think they could have been great as well, although technically less appropriate than Connery and Caine.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Apart from Hail, Caesar!, Deadpool and 10 Cloverfield Lane, have you seen any other films for 2016.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: I'm rather hoping, that you've seen The Witch, as I'm dying for someone's opinion on it.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Can't help you as those three are all that I've seen.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: That's all right. :)

Anonymous said...

Louis: What are your top 10 most intense acting performances?

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Are there any films that you plan on viewing this month. E.g. Batman Vs. Superman or Midnight Special

Luke Higham said...

Louis: What would be your casts and directors for The Omen and Gladiator (2010s).

Louis Morgan said...

This ranking is on the level of overt intensity and not necessarily the quality of said performances.

1. Dennis Hopper - Blue Velvet
2. Gary Oldman - The Profesional
3. Joaquin Phoenix in The Master
4. Daniel Day-Lewis in There Will Be Blood
5. Michael Rooker - Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer
6. Joe Pesci - Goodfellas
7. R. Lee Ermey - Full Metal Jacket
8. Toshiro Mifune - Throne of Blood
9. Richard Attenborough in Brighton Rock
10. Robert Shaw - The Sting

Luke:

I'll probably see both of those.

The Omen directed by Tomas Alfredson

Robert Thorn: Bryan Cranston
Keith Jennings: Ewan McGregor
Katherine Thorn: Kim Dickens
Mrs Baylock: Tilda Swinton (Though that feels too easy)
Father Brennan: Brad Dourif

Gladiator directed by Ang Lee:

Maximus Decimus Meridius: Tom Hardy(Kind of hate to go with the obvious choice but that Crowe type presence is rare)
Commodus: Ben Foster
Proximo: James Cosmo

Anonymous said...

Louis: Is Lust For Life your favorite Minnelli movie and favorite Douglas performance?

Luke Higham said...

Louis: I knew you were gonna go with McGregor as Jennings. I would hate to see him lose his head though.

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: Paths Of Glory is his favourite Douglas performance.

Anonymous said...

Luke: Thanks. :)

Luke Higham said...

Louis: What do you think of the recent casting news for Dunkirk.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Yes to the first. Luke is correct on the other.

Luke:

Hard to really say much on it.

Anonymous said...

Louis: How would you define realistic acting? Some people say that Douglas' acting style is too over-the-top or intense and that he screams a lot, because that isn't realistic to them.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

That's a interesting question. Well first I think people are too swift to call something unrealistic, I've heard that lobbed against Gene Hackman in the French Connection merely because he yells in the performance. People yell in real life, and really I'm sure we've all met people that if an actor perfectly portrayed them that performance would be described as over the top or unrealistic. People can be over the top, so I think realistic covers quite the range. However I also don't think unrealistic means bad. A film does not need to be realistic to be good nor does a performance. A performance of a certain style can work, extremely well even, given the right material.

Anonymous said...

Louis: I thought Douglas portrayed Van Gogh in a realistic way and he did an excellent job. I would describe Douglas as an intense actor, but some people stereotype that he yells all the time in his performances.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: If a Napoleon Biopic were to be made in the future, who would be your choice to play the lead role.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

I'd agree.

Luke:

For full life Napoleon can't say there's an obvious choice, but for end of life Mark Rylance.

Anonymous said...

Louis: What are your thoughts on Jose Ferrer as an actor? I think he can be hit or miss.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: What would be your choice of director for that biopic.

Robert MacFarlane said...

There is a certain paradox in playing a real life person that no one knows about. The more the actor tries to imitate them, there's a good chance the less realistic they come off as. i.e. Ruffalo in Spotlight

Robert MacFarlane said...

Also, glad you liked Winstead, Louis.

Luke Higham said...

RatedRStar: For 2011 Supporting, I would suggest Paul Giamatti in Ironclad.

RatedRStar said...

Luke: Strangely I had forgotten about Giamatti, my Mum actually watched the film a couple of years ago and she said that she liked Giamatti quite a lot, the film itself doesnt look good but I would be willing to take your word for it, I have 4 people in 2011 supporting so Giamatti (for now) will be a 5th.

Anonymous said...

RatedRStar: I don't know who to suggest for your 1995-2001 spreadsheet, but I know there are some obvious nominees there even if I haven't seen it.

RatedRStar said...

Anonymous: Name some of those obvious nominees if u want, I may have forgotten some of them.

Luke Higham said...

RatedRStar:
Ray Winstone in Nil By Mouth and The War Zone
Michael Caine in Little Voice
Tom Cruise in Eyes Wide Shut

RatedRStar said...

The War Zone was not on my list, it will be now, the others were already on.

I always kick my table in frustration when an obvious nominee appears but i forget them lol.

Luke Higham said...

RatedRStar: What about Christopher Lee in Jinnah, he said it was the best performance of his career.

Matt Mustin said...

Luke: Jinnah is an extremely hard film to find.

RatedRStar said...

Luke: I am not sure about that one, I do know that he said it was his best, but I dont know, we will see, 1998 supporting is stronger than lead so it is possible.

Luke Higham said...

Matt: Found it. :)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3g40fo

Luke Higham said...

RatedRStar: Is the list nearly complete.

RatedRStar said...

Luke: Which list, 1995-2002 (it goes to 2002 not 2001) or all of it?

Luke Higham said...

RatedRStar: 95-02.

RatedRStar said...

Luke: Not yet, really struggling with 1997, 1999 and 2001 supporting, I am not entirely happy with my 1998 lead choices at the moment.

Calvin Law said...

RatedRStar: I'll give a bit of a helping hand with those years if you don't mind

Not sure if you have him but Bob Hoskins would be a great choice for 1997 lead (TwentyFourSeven), also John Cusack in Grosse Pointe Blank

1997 Supporting
Charlie Creed-Miles (Nil By Mouth)
Ruper Everett (My Best Friend's Wedding)
John Voight (Anaconda, Wiseau-worthy)
Delroy Lindo (A Life Less Ordinary, a nice little performance)

1999 Supporting (for lead, Al Pacino in Any Given Sunday, and Denis Lavant in Beau Travail)
Paddy Considine (A Room for Romeo Brass)
William Dafoe (The Boondock Saints...okay, I'm joking)
Stephen Rea (The End of the Affair)
Timothy Spall (Topsy-Turvy)
James Woods (The Virgin Suicides)

2001 Supporting
James Gandolfini (The Mexican)
Steve Zahn (Riding in Cars With Boys)
Ray Liotta and Paul Reubens (Blow, neither of them have big roles but Liotta is surprisingly moving and Reubens is quite interesting to see how different a character he plays to most of his work)


RatedRStar said...

Calvin: Ill add you on Facebook if you wa because ive noticed your name so many times with my association with others that r on the blog

Also thank you for those suggestions I did have a few of them already (I am glad you had James Woods in supporting as I did) but others I did not so I will put most of them down =D.

RatedRStar said...

want that meant to say not wa lol.

RatedRStar said...

I think James Woods would be considered 2000 instead of 1999 because of the 1999 being a festival release.

RatedRStar said...

Luke: In which case the spreadsheet it is nearly finished, obviously it is not final list but most of them will be.

Anonymous said...

RatedRStar: For 1939 Lead, I'd suggest Karloff in Son of Frankenstein and Colman in The Light That Failed. By the way, I saw Cooper in the 1933 Bonus Lead lineup spreadsheet for Design for Living. Is good old Coop any good in that film?

RatedRStar said...

Anonymous: I do have Karloff in the bonus 1939 lineup, Colman I will wait on because I have not seen it, Cooper I have seen it and to be honest, he is just fine, certainly better than his Co Star, but in a year like 1933 where there arent gonna be too many 5 star performances I would say it is suitable enough.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: I'm not sure if this question's been asked before, but what are your top 20 performances of all-time. You could include television performances, if you want to.

Anonymous said...

RatedRStar: Better than March or better than Hopkins?

Anonymous said...

RatedRStar: Could you possibly give me one of the years you have completed, I know you said you wouldnt give the full spreadsheet but could you help with one of the years.

RatedRStar said...

Anonymous: March, I think March is fine also but he really doesnt do comedy as well as Cooper or Hopkins does, March for me is purely a dramatics man, his funniest performance was on Whats My Line!.


Sure which year would you want?

Anonymous said...

RatedRStar: Would 2000 be ok ?

RatedRStar said...

Anonymous: You want 2000, sure =D for me Jared Leto and Mark Ruffalo are both co Lead.

Ethan Hawke - Hamlet
Willem Dafoe - Animal Factory
John Cusack - High Fidelity
Mark Ruffalo - You Can Count On Me
Jared Leto - Requiem For A Dream

Supporting
James Woods - The Virgin Suicides
Joaquin Phoenix - The Yards
Donald Sutherland - Panic
Liev Schreiber - Hamlet
Peter Stormare - Dancer In The Dark

Anonymous said...

RatedRStar: Is Cooper also any good in The Hanging Tree, or let me guess, Malden acts circles around him?

RatedRStar said...

Anonymous: Yes I would agree with that although I still think Scott is solid, its Scotts first big role, I think he stands out well enough, Malden for me is the heart of the film, and by far the best performer,which is why I took Fred Astaire out and put Scott and Malden in.

Anonymous said...

RatedRStar: Have you got the 1965 Lead complete?

RatedRStar said...

Anonymous: It is finished yes, it isnt final of course, it will never be final until 1965 happens, but as of this moment, yes.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: How close is Tom Hardy, making your top 20 actors list.

Anonymous said...

RatedRStar: Can you give me the 1963-1969 Bonus Lead spreadsheet just to take a look?

RatedRStar said...

Anonymous: Of course...

http://snag.gy/sVRE1.jpg

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

I'd agree about Ferrer. He sometimes seemed to go theatrical, or subdued at the wrong times. For example I think A Great Man could have used more gusto from him, while his character in A Ship of Fools could have been quite effective if he was more self-contained. When he hit the right times though he was a very effective performer with his more subtle work in Lawrence of Arabia or his appropriately theatrical turn as Cyrano.

Luke:

Director Peter Weir, not only would I like him back doing something, he'd be a good fit.

Hold off on the top 20 for the moment.

I'd say Hardy's in it.

Calvin Law said...

For Dancer in the Dark, I'd suggest David Morse as well as I think he probably has the more substantial role of the two, though I do like Stromare in it too.

My predictions for their ratings, if Louis does indeed choose these performances:

Hawke: 3.5
Dafoe: 4.5
Cusack: 4
Ruffalo: 4
Leto: 4

Woods: 4
Phoenix: 5
Sutherland: 4/4.5 (also how about Macy from the same film, looks like he's had his fair share of acclaim too)
Schreiber: 4.5
Stromare: 3.5

Luke Higham said...

The Bonus Rounds can't come soon enough, I just hope Louis starts off with 2012, 1971 or 1973.

Luke Higham said...

Rating Predictions for my requests.
Oliver Reed in The Devils - 5
Jon Finch in Macbeth - 4.5
Malcolm McDowell in Caligula - 4
Ghassan Massoud in Kingdom Of Heaven - 5
Michael Fassbender in Jane Eyre - 4
Michael Smiley in Kill List - 4.5
Peter Mullan in Tyrannosaur - 5
Mads Mikkelsen in A Royal Affair - 4.5

Anonymous said...

Louis: Who do you think would have been better suited for Glenn Ford's role in Gilda?

RatedRStar said...

For 2000 I could have easily said the two Hong Kong performances Francis Ng in 2000 Ad or Roy Cheung in Jiang Hu The Triad Zone but I dont think they will appear.

Luke Higham said...

RatedRStar: You forgot about Anthony Hopkins in Shadowlands for 1993 Lead, which for me is his best work from that year.

RatedRStar said...

Luke: I forgot....

Anonymous said...

RatedRStar: I'm going to take a wild guess that Matthau is better than Peck in Mirage, am I right?

Michael McCarthy said...

I was way more impressed with Olivia Colman in Tyrannosaur than I was with Mullan.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Who are your casts and directors for:
Seven (60's, 70's and 80's version)
Collateral (70's and 80's version)

Calvin Law said...

Louis: just realised you've seen Advise and Consent. Thoughts and ratings on the cast, and you seem to have missed Laughton our on the rankings.

Calvin Law said...

Oh wait you haven't, my bad.

Anonymous said...

Calvin: I believe Laughton and Meredith are 4's.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Will you publish the first review today?

Louis Morgan said...

Calvin:

I have not recently watched it, I just had noticed I forgot to include the cast.

Laughton - 4(Laughton is more than game in his last performance bringing out all the raw bluster you'd want out of a career politician who makes his whole life out of attacking the views of others. He's great in every scene he's got by bringing the sort of over the top spectacle to his "performance" as a senator.)

Meredith - 4(A memorable one scene wonder as he establishes quickly this single character's particular shyness and mental condition, as well as his history with Fonda's character, in a matter of moments. It's brilliantly rendered character by Meredith especially since he could have been just a mere throwaway role)

Ayres - 3.5(He's good at bringing the needed quiet dignity and intelligence for the role of a man who'd probably be a good leader, but does not have the personal ego to take the position himself)

Fonda - 3.5(Very much like his performance in The Best Man as well as in it far less than you'd expect, but he's good in bringing the right heated, yet properly dignified, passion to his character)

Murray - 2(Murray as usual leaves much to be desired, as he takes over the film for a good twenty minutes and almost becomes the lead. He's not terrible but there something very much missing out of what should be the most emotional element of the film)

Anonymous:

Seven 60's directed by Alfred Hitchcock:

Mills: Steve McQueen
Tracy: Carol Lynley
Somerset: James Stewart
Doe: Martin Landau

70's directed by Brian DePalma:

Mills: Harrison Ford
Tracy: Karen Allen
Somerset: Robert Mitchum
Doe: Christopher Lloyd

80's directed by William Friedkin:

Mills: Mickey Rourke
Tracy: Jennifer Jason Leigh
Somerset: Sidney Poitier
Doe: William Hurt

Collateral 70's directed by Don Siegel:

Vincent: Clint Eastwood
Max: Dustin Hoffman
Annie: Sally Kirkland
Ray: Billy Dee Williams
Felix: F. Murray Abraham
Daniel: Brock Peters

80's directed by Michael Mann (still).

Vincent: James Caan
Max: Albert Brooks
Annie: Beverly D'Angelo
Ray: Peter Weller
Felix: Raul Julia
Daniel: John Amos

Michael Keaton said...

5 - Hardwicke
4 - Lahr
3 - Richardson
2 - Mitchell
1 - Cobb