Friday, 10 April 2015

Alternate Best Supporting Actor 1941

And the Nominees Were Not:

Joseph Cotten in Citizen Kane

Laird Cregar in I Wake Up Screaming

Edward Arnold in The Devil and Daniel Webster

Peter Lorre in The Maltese Falcon

Herbert Marshall in The Little Foxes

33 comments:

luke higham said...

1. Lorre
2. Arnold
3. Cotten
4. Cregar
5. Marshall

Huston should win the overall though.

Louis: Ratings & Thoughts on Rains in Here Comes Mr. Jordan and The Wolf Man

luke higham said...

Louis: Just to clarify, is De Havilland a 5 for The Snake Pit and The Heiress.

Michael McCarthy said...

1. Edward Arnold
2. Peter Lorre
3. Laird Cregar
4. Herbert Marshall
5. Joseph Cotten (I think he'll unfortunately be hurt by his scenes as an old man, I found them terribly unconvincing.)

GetDonaldSutherlandAnOscar said...

1. Lorre (simply an astonishingly brilliant performance)
2. Arnold (showboating at its best)
3. Cotten (this is the tough choice, I loved his performance but I recall some of Louis' earlier reservations about the performance which will hopefully dissapate upon re-watch)
4. Cregar (haven't seen him but seems like an interesting film/role)
5. Marshall (he was quite great in his scenes where he quietly goes against Davis' character and his final moments are very moving. But overall he was very much overshadowed by Wright and Davis.)

GetDonaldSutherlandAnOscar said...

I think the top 5 will be
Huston
Van Heflin (although I would not be surprised if Ban Heflin upsets Huston)
Lorre
Arnold
Greenstreet

Holy shit, I just realised how strong this supporting year is.

luke higham said...

GDSAO:
Mine Are
Huston - 5
Heflin - 5
Lorre - 5
Greenstreet - 5
Arnold - 4.5 or 5

It definitely is a great year.

Michael Patison said...

This is an incredibly tricky one, I think:
1. Peter Lorre
2. Edward Arnold
3. Laird Cregar
4. Joseph Cotten
5. Herbert Marshall

Ratings and thoughts on Joel McCrea in The More the Merrier. I'm sure Luke will find them if they've already been posted :)

koook160 (Robert MacFarlane) said...

1. Cotten (Totally disagree with Michael McCarthy, he's the only cast member convincing in the elderly scenes)
2. Lorre
3. Arnold
4. Cregar
5. Marshall

Anonymous said...

GDSAO: What are your ratings and thoughts on Davis, Wright and Collinge in TLF?
Anyway my predictions:
1. Lorre
2. Cotten
3. Arnold
4. Cregar
5. Marshall

luke higham said...

Michael Patison: I could only find the rating, which is a 4.5.

JackiBoyz said...

1)Peter Lorre
2)Edward Arnold
3)Laird Cregar
4)Herbert Marshall
5)Joseph Cotten

JackiBoyz said...

@RatedRStar: Let me guess, Hong Kong performance request by any chance or Oskar Werner.

JackiBoyz said...

I say this because me and Daniel recently watched Decision Before Dawn.

GetDonaldSutherlandAnOscar said...

Anonymous:

Davis (4.5), she's a magnificent bitch throughout, yet interestingly enough I feel that despite her having an awful lot of Oscar-y scenes it never feels like she overplays her hand.

Collinge (4), she has the very Oscar-baity role of the alcoholic crazy woman, but like Davis she never triee to overplay this characteristic. She's remarkably moving presence throughout.

Wright (4) Verging on a 4.5. I liked her well enough and found her charming as usual. I might have been missing something though as I didn't catch much in the way of the depths she had in The Best Years of Our Lives and Shadow of a Doubt. I should really re-watch the film soon.

Maciej said...

1.Lorre
2.Arnold
3.Cotten
4.Cregar
5.Marshall

RatedRStar said...

I will take a break from HK films, this bonus review winning request is a foreign language film performance though, in a Akira Kurosawa film

Chieko Nakakita - One Wonderful Sunday

1.Lorre
2.Arnold
3.Cregar
4.Cotten
5.Marshall

Anonymous said...

I'd give a 4.5 to Wright easily. Her final confrontation with Davis is just amazing.

GM said...

1)Peter Lorre
2)Edward Arnold
3)Laird Cregar
4)Herbert Marshall
5)Joseph Cotten

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Rains - Here Comes Mr. Jordan - 4(Really isn't his Mr. Jordan exactly who'd you want to handle your case in heaven? Rains quietly steals the whole show through his incredibly dignified performance as he has such a wonderful grace and style. I love how he shows that in every instance Mr. Jordan has everything under control)

Rains - The Wolfman - 4(For much of his performance he has a reduced role, but it's a testament to just how talented Rains was by how honest he makes the relationship between father and son feel. Every concerned reaction, or warmth filled words towards Larry add up quite well to his final moment. Although the film does not stay long on just how tragic the ending is, not only because of the death involved but who's forced to kill, Rains completely sells it. He's absolutely heartbreaking as he brings out the full gravity of the situation in a matter of seconds. That moment really tempts me to go higher with my rating)

Yes in regards to de Havilland.

Michael Patison:

McCrea - 4.5(It's once again a great display of McCrea skills as a particularly snarky deadpan straight man. He works particularly well off of the flamboyancy of Coburn and Arthur. I have to say there is just something so innately funny about him playing the men as though he's just not having any of the screwball in the screwball comedy. In fact I think some of his pitch perfect reactions are often times the punchline for the behavior of the others)

Michael McCarthy said...

I'm sorry but I don't think Cotten was any better than any of the other supporting players in portraying the aged versions of their characters. Although I also thought Welles was practically perfect, so I guess I'm in the minority regarding that film.

GetDonaldSutherlandAnOscar said...

I personally think the greatest onscreen ageing of all time would have to be Robert Donat in Goodbye Mr Chips, although Robert Livesey and Paul Muni come very close. (by 'ageing' I mean chartering a character's transition from youth to old age. Otherwise Alec Guinness would definitely be my choice)

Michael McCarthy said...

I might have to agree with you about Donat and Livesey.

Kevin said...

1. Lorre
2. Arnold
3. Cregar
4. Cotten
5. Marshall

luke higham said...

1. Lorre
2. Arnold
3. Cregar
4. Cotten
5. Marshall

luke higham said...

Louis: You've yet to highlight 1941 Lead on the sidebar.

Anonymous said...

@Psifonian, if you're reading, I'm sorry if I'm getting repetitive about this, but when will we be able to see your Best Supporting Actress video? I just can't wait to see it.

Michael Patison said...

Is it just me or does Edward Arnold look tons like Lionel Barrymore in that picture? I know they look somewhat similar overall, but this time it's just eery.

Matt Mustin said...

Louis, how would you rank the John le Carre adaptations that you've seen?

GetDonaldSutherlandAnOscar said...

@Michael: Yeah it's uncanny. Probably because Arnold doesn't have glasses on there, which is usually the main distinguishing feature between them.

Anonymous said...

Louis what are your ratings and thoughts on Charles Boyer and Paulette Goddard in Hold Back the Dawn? Also, I'd like to know your thoughts on Rita Hayworth in The Strawberry Blonde

moviefilm said...

1) Peter Lorre
2) Joseph Cotten
3) Herbert Marshall
4) Edward Arnold
5) Laird Cregar

luke higham said...

Louis: Are you planning to see the Game Of Thrones Season Premiere tonight.

Louis Morgan said...

Matt:

1. Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy
2. The Spy Who Came in From the Cold
3. A Most Wanted Man
4. The Deadly Affair
5. The Constant Gardener

I like them all though.

Anonymous:

Boyer - 4(I've always found Boyer a bit cold for being a romantic lead, and my favorite performance of his is indeed Gaslight. Nevertheless I think that actually worked for him here as well since his character was in fact suppose to false for much of it which he did rather well. In addition when his character does come around to accepting his responsibility I felt he handled that transition rather well)

Goddard - 3.5(I like her performance well enough in that she certainly was catty enough in the part. She did not hold too much of an impact for me but she was good)

Hayworth - (I find she was rather often playing the vapid enchantress. She does that rather well here as she is incredibly alluring well being being obviously without depth. This is my favorite rendition of that I have seen though because she rather effortlessly brings a nice comedic bent to it)

Luke:

Yes